[Standard] Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Mafia Wins D4

[Cory Caboose]

Currently liking Sooh the most for sheer early game WIM time will tell if it means anything

 

BFG can you expand on exactly what you thought re: Sooh's start at the time you'd made this post?

 

just curious about something

[Cory Caboose]

Lots of skilled peeps in here. Wolves likely going to be hardddddd to spot.

 

Iunno about this

 

Hallia u around boo?

[Cory Caboose]

through page 11:

 

bfg, nyn, laine look good

 

darthe looks good enough

[Cory Caboose]

Cory is pinging me slightly for insisting too hard he's town, but someone said that's normal for him

 

[Cory Caboose]

alanna* sorry sorry

[Cory Caboose]

 

Darthe's faux pop-psychology is the dominant trait of his game; as he a wolf he's a droning psychiatrist; as a villager he's the patient in the chair

This made me giggle and nod a bit. I'm not sure how true it is, but it certainly would be fun to look for. 

 

Idk why so many are saying that there are several people who haven't checked in. Afaik every slot but Csarmi has been in the thread so far. I suppose it could be because they haven't had much presence in the thread so far?

 

It feels too soon to have any real feelings about people in the thread, but I think already BFG is posting enough to possibly be town. On the other hand there's Alanna who feels way too serious way too soon. I know she asked Ironeyes what he thought about someone being serious in their first post, and I wanted to let him respond before saying it's slightly wolfy and pingy to me. 

 

 

Not sure if I'm buying this Poot

 

we might need to go fisticuffs soon

[Cory Caboose]

It's so like... IDK commentary mode?

Not what I'm used to from village!Sooh at all

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

I'm sorta awake. It's 3 am... but I can still type so I'd say that's a good sign overall.

 

'tis good! any thoughts on the thread so far?

 

I don't have much. It's been much fluff.

 

BFG feels game solvey and very pronounced in the thread. I like that. Haven't seen anything from Cory that bothers me but then I wouldn't really notice the nuances this early anyhow. Need to see what he does throughout the day. Darthe is.... I dunno... Darthe. I want Hallia to catch up and pitch in... she showed for a bit there but I took off. Alanna... meh. Not sure if it's her charming personality just rubbing me the wrong way but we'll see. Forgetting that Cory is the type of player that proclaims his towniness on a general basis is... iffy. And I'm still waiting for salami's inevitable arrival.... lol

 

A whole lot of nothing, really. 

 

 

like compare it to a post like this where you are really getting nyn's PoV

[Cory Caboose]

Kats pushing me both ways at the moment

 

her joke in response to Darthe read awkwardly to me and I'd also sort of expected her to address the early Darthe/Cory stuff, her opinion on me is interesting, she was in my last mafia game where I almost got lynched Day 1 and didn't for a combination of good/lucky timing on my part and (bad) reasons by others, but she's never seen me as a universal town read when mafia because that hasn't happened in about a year and a half :(

 

I have one decent reason to think Kat could be town, but I need to check it against her mafia games :p

 

this is a great post

 

any update re: kat

[Cory Caboose]

oh god i'm zandering

 

O H N O B O Y S

[Cory Caboose]

Good morning! I'm about to do a reread and puy together a reads list. For now I just wanted to mention that I really like this analysis:

Wolf cory doesn't die n1 and doesn't lynch his teammates. Town cory feels townie and may not lunch wolves d1, probably dies n1, and if he doesn't, he goes on to lynch a wolf d2. I thought my comments were fairly self explanatory. Cory doesn't really matter, we're never going to lynch him d1 even if there was a hint he was a wolf so we as might as well not waste time discussing his behavior when he's so self solving.

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

Nyn, talk to me. Got any hot takes so far? 

 

You said Liz was even more inquisitive in her POG game? Does it tell you anything about her alignment here?

 

sooh this really feels like it comes someone with a motive to get nyn on liz's case

 

in terms of "leading questions"

[Cory Caboose]

OK, just finished my reread! This isn't a proper reads list since I didn't rank people by how towny I think they are. It's a little early for that, so I just stated my thoughts stream-of-consciousness style. And yes this is copy/pasted cause I typed it in the Notes app, that's why it's a different font/size. I can't figure out how to paste in the formatting of the target area. 

 

1. Katiora: Entered the game late but her first analysis post on page 13 said she only had an opinion on BFG and Nyn. Seemed odd to me because by the time I got to it in the reread I’d already seen enough to form at least preliminary opinions on Alanna, Darthe, and Cory. So was Kat trying to draw attention away from one of them? Darthe and Cory I could understand her not having anything for because the posts I used as a basis for my analysis at this point could just as easily be interpreted as just goofing around. And when asked why she didn’t talk about those two on the following page she had a good answer. But there was definitely enough data ATP for Kat to have formed an opinion on Alanna, yet she didn’t mention her at all. I won’t try to draw an alignment from it yet but I’d say they might be linked some how. 

2. Darthe: Starts the game with a string of posts that are somewhere in the middle of interesting and incomprehensible, including a strange bit about Cory’s AA joke being pre-typed. Why does that even matter? If I’m going to post something really long (like this reads list which I’m currently typing in Notes) I’ll probably type it outside of DM and copy/paste it in later to avoid losing the whole thing to a webpage glitch, which has happened to me multiple times before. But incomprehensible is part of what I see as Darthe’s town meta and reminds me of our last game where he was town. 

3. Lizabeth: I don’t know her at all, so I’m not willing to form a quick opinion. But so far most of her posts have been questions designed to get people to state opinions and analysis, which I like. One caveat on that is that it’s sometimes really easy to do that but never get around to stating your own opinion, which can be a clever way to slide under the radar. 

4. Csarmi: Who? 

5. Prallia (Pralaya/Hallia): Pral hasn’t posted once, and Hallia just three or four times. I can’t draw a conclusion without more info. 

6. BFG: Made an excellent observation about Alanna calling out Cory’s OP but then saying it doesn’t mean anything, which got her to explain how she’d changed her mind. On point. 

7. Sooh: Wasn’t able to be in-thread much for a bit, similar to me, but was very engaged while here. Seems towny.

8. Alanna: Enters the game throwing suspicion at Cory, which seemed pingy to me at the time but I realize she was trying to get the game moving by giving us something to talk about. What I found a bit strange was that she didn’t respond with that explanation when I asked her about it, but rather turned attention to me by asking what alignment I thought she was. Could be another attempt to get some solid content out there or could be trying to stay out of the limelight. 

9. Nynaeve: Took a while to post a strong analysis but when she did it was solid. 

10. Ironeyes: Towning it up! 

11. Cory Caboose: Constantly insisting he’s town at first, which seemed odd to me. Then when Alanna mentioned it he just started posting “and?” after everything she wrote, which is just needling the way I see it. Later on he told BFG she’d eventually figure out he’s town so she might as well not investigate him. I dunno if there’s a history here I’m unaware of but just ignoring anyone based on their word alone is kind of opposite of how this game is supposed to work IMO. 

 

this isn't terrible i guess

 

agreed that taking people on their word is silly also, you can take me on my word for that

[Cory Caboose]

Liz, I'm curious as to how typical of your scum game you think 90s music was?

 

BFG's a villager

[Cory Caboose]

 

Kat, what are your three strongest reads right now (this doesn't have to lock them in)

 

 

I'd say preliminary I'd think that you, Nyn and Ironeyes are probably townish

 

the rest are pretty null 

 

 

Kat looks good

[Clovdyx]

 

Vote count!

 

• Alanna - 1 - Darthe
• Darthe - 1 - Lizabeth

 

Day One ends at 12:30 Eastern time on Saturday, 10/30.

 

 

 

I believe this is actually still correct.

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

 

 

Ironeyes, would you mind explaining your read on Alanna (and ideally how it's changed through the game)?

Well I'm kind of in two minds about her. One one hand I see her working at solving and getting opinions out of people, but some of her questions appeared to me to be intended to direct attention away from herself and onto other people. Overall I see more town than scum in her ATP.

I suck at reading alanna... Really I suck at reading a lot of people lolololol but I really suck at reading Alanna... If you look at other games I always have a problem and usually think she's scummy. Honestly she usually thinks i'm scummy too. *shrugs* we play very differently.

 

Also I almost never make any kind of reads this early in the game. I find them pointless and misleading. Town hasn't had time to establish and Mafia has the easiest time faking it D1. I'm a D1 hater lol. I will make comments about people's normal game play, if I know how they play(or feel I do) but unless they do something obviously not town I'm not gonna give a whole lot of reads. And I didn't think I came into D1 late at all.. I was posting about an hour after the thread opened.... O.o *shrugs*

OK I can understand that, especially since I also seem to see her as scummy even when she's *ahem* an IC... Thanks for answering my question.

I think we should lynch csarmi

That's kinda tempting but I don't think we would gain anything from it. All that does is get kill a player who doesn't clear/incriminate anyone when he dies.

Ok thanks, then can you clarify how you think Kat and Alanna are linked?

 

It's a slight link but I thought Kat was intentionally ignoring Alanna in order to avoid drawing attention to her. That combined with what I saw as Alanna trying to direct attention away from herself added up to a general protection of Alanna, which could hint at her being a powerful mafia role that they don't want to lose early on. 

 

Of course since then Kat has now explained that she just isn't good at reading Alanna which softens my suspicion somewhat. 

 

 

Ironeyes swings back and forth between villager and wolf like a cranky pendulum

[Cory Caboose]

 

Good morning! I'm about to do a reread and puy together a reads list. For now I just wanted to mention that I really like this analysis:

Wolf cory doesn't die n1 and doesn't lynch his teammates. Town cory feels townie and may not lunch wolves d1, probably dies n1, and if he doesn't, he goes on to lynch a wolf d2. I thought my comments were fairly self explanatory. Cory doesn't really matter, we're never going to lynch him d1 even if there was a hint he was a wolf so we as might as well not waste time discussing his behavior when he's so self solving.

 

 

Gotta ask, what did you love about this exactly? It's not an analysis. It's purely meta based and it sounds like she's not going to address or asses anything that Cory does because she feels it'll just resolve itself. What she's saying is not incorrect in itself irt his town game...though I haven't seen him enough as scum to know if he'll bus or not (I just know when he was teamed with tiinker he didn't)..... but I still feel like it's a bit of a cop out thing to say and somewhat weird considering her commentary when she first entered the game.

 

 

Nyn villager likeliness: 91.07645%

[Cory Caboose]

Cory is the mafia equivalent of barrack obama

 

Thanks Corbama.

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

Good morning! I'm about to do a reread and puy together a reads list. For now I just wanted to mention that I really like this analysis:

Wolf cory doesn't die n1 and doesn't lynch his teammates. Town cory feels townie and may not lunch wolves d1, probably dies n1, and if he doesn't, he goes on to lynch a wolf d2. I thought my comments were fairly self explanatory. Cory doesn't really matter, we're never going to lynch him d1 even if there was a hint he was a wolf so we as might as well not waste time discussing his behavior when he's so self solving.

 

 

Gotta ask, what did you love about this exactly? It's not an analysis. It's purely meta based and it sounds like she's not going to address or asses anything that Cory does because she feels it'll just resolve itself. What she's saying is not incorrect in itself irt his town game...though I haven't seen him enough as scum to know if he'll bus or not (I just know when he was teamed with tiinker he didn't)..... but I still feel like it's a bit of a cop out thing to say and somewhat weird considering her commentary when she first entered the game.

 

What I liked is that it's a plan. Not necessarily one that allows immediate action, but a plan nonetheless. I don't know cory really at all, so having a little meta helps me

 

 

i have some trouble believing that Ironeyes' progression on me is

 

"Him proclaiming he's town pinged me" to

 

"But people said that's normal" to reading someone saying:

 

"Well we can't lynch him d1"

 

and goes "well, I like this plan!"

[Cory Caboose]

????????????????

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

 

>.<

what is this? Do you disagree? Are you pushing to lynch him day one?

 

 

My issue isn't Cory. It's you. You've jumped around from FoSing him, deciding later it's null, proclaiming he's basically self resolving so you're not going to bother to process anything he does to now just town reading him for basically no reason. I don't get it.

 

No I started out being needlessly antagonistic towards him which is par for the course lately. I took it back when I realized what I said didn't have a basis in reality but in my overreaction. The post you're referring to itself is null, yes. But I never said he was null. I actually stated that if he continues acting as he is now (indicating he's being townie) and lynches scum by d2, he's likely town. But I'm not going to dig into his slot for funsies right NOW, other than a cursory overview, when I could be focusing on other people.

 

 

I appreciate this Alanna

 

I think you've been pretty villagery for yourself up to this point fwiw

[BFG]

 

 

Hi guys. Just fyi, I'm in a mash on MU where I'm pretty darn invested right now, so I'll give this game all the time I can until I die in the other one, then I'm all in here.

 

Pumped though! So pumped I stayed mafiaing from like 4pm - 2am last night. I'm on a roll lol!

Lol, you're leaving me with high expectations <3

Bring them on! lol. I'm on FIRE!

Cory, literally these, just rubbed me the right way

[Cory Caboose]

okok

 

what do you think of her follow through? up to about page 21 right now so not there yet if she started getting involved

[BFG]

 

 

Good morning! I'm about to do a reread and puy together a reads list. For now I just wanted to mention that I really like this analysis:

Wolf cory doesn't die n1 and doesn't lynch his teammates. Town cory feels townie and may not lunch wolves d1, probably dies n1, and if he doesn't, he goes on to lynch a wolf d2. I thought my comments were fairly self explanatory. Cory doesn't really matter, we're never going to lynch him d1 even if there was a hint he was a wolf so we as might as well not waste time discussing his behavior when he's so self solving.

Gotta ask, what did you love about this exactly? It's not an analysis. It's purely meta based and it sounds like she's not going to address or asses anything that Cory does because she feels it'll just resolve itself. What she's saying is not incorrect in itself irt his town game...though I haven't seen him enough as scum to know if he'll bus or not (I just know when he was teamed with tiinker he didn't)..... but I still feel like it's a bit of a cop out thing to say and somewhat weird considering her commentary when she first entered the game.

Nyn villager likeliness: 91.07645%

Sequence of Nyns posts around this one are the ones I like the most lol