[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[monstrman]

[V]unvote [/v]

[dyachei]

I won a game on MU recently by working with a 3rd party. Only reason I'm hesitating

[monstrman]

Ok so dyachei I reread sooh's iso and the funny thing is, sooh says a lot about killing besie d1, but all that's gone d2 when she notably doesn't ever put a vote on besie and even starts talking to her as though her opinions mattered

 

Besie also had the most notable activity drop d2 I think, she went from one of the top posters to not saying much at all and afaict the trend is only continuing

 

So idk I'm not convinced she can't be on a team with sooh

[monstrman]

Like first they hate each other d1 then they're friends again d2

[Pralaya]

Lesse what sooh said about nolder

 

[Vote]unvote[/vote]

Kind of covered it when I ISO'd her posts

[Darthe]

I won a game on MU recently by working with a 3rd party. Only reason I'm hesitating

Thing is, he aint 3p. Remotely, that doesnt add up in any way.

 

Why wouldnt wilves shoot him? Why wouldn't sooh be sus of him? How would he know about who was roleblocked and even if he posted reactively to the lynch how would it help his wincon? His claim is directly against his wincon.

 

So youve got nol saying that by his claim he wanted to draw the NK, die, and lose but now that he has been outted he is attempting to influence you to not lynch him.

 

 

This is pretty basic.

[Darthe]

Ok so dyachei I reread sooh's iso and the funny thing is, sooh says a lot about killing besie d1, but all that's gone d2 when she notably doesn't ever put a vote on besie and even starts talking to her as though her opinions mattered

 

Besie also had the most notable activity drop d2 I think, she went from one of the top posters to not saying much at all and afaict the trend is only continuing

 

So idk I'm not convinced she can't be on a team with sooh

She cant really. Tink def can't

[Pralaya]

Ok so dyachei I reread sooh's iso and the funny thing is, sooh says a lot about killing besie d1, but all that's gone d2 when she notably doesn't ever put a vote on besie and even starts talking to her as though her opinions mattered

 

Besie also had the most notable activity drop d2 I think, she went from one of the top posters to not saying much at all and afaict the trend is only continuing

 

So idk I'm not convinced she can't be on a team with sooh

 

Exactly my thoughts.

[dyachei]

Darthe, I'm not against lynching him, but there's no hurry, is there?

[monstrman]

Aaaand caught up!

 

Given that it's a hammer game I'm going to wait for a VC, but consider my current vote to be on Besie since she's the most wolfy atm. Tiinker breathing down her neck as well.

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't played with Besie before. Just modded a game she was in. Looks like she was wolf in all except one. Does she AtE like this in her wolf games?

 

What AtE?

"You always get me lynched :(", kind of posts

 

Not AtE imo.

 

Just a blatant misrep imo.

Do you think a scum Besie would openly misrep you? I mean, wouldn't she have thought to go back and check? Maybe not, her other posts are so wolfy, but this in particular makes me go hmm maybe not?

 

I mean its certainly possible she forgot it.

 

But in this case with it being her ONLY Town game and on top of that, the fact its me and what I did compared to someone else factors in to me having trouble thinking she forgot.

I forget or misconstrue games in my mind five mins after they end lol. 

 

I still think your suspicion might be good though, but using misrep from another game as a reason is kinda meh imo.

  

 

 

 

He kinda did. Post 1 non-mod of the game

 

This was to tinker

 

lol god damn it. [unvote]

Whoa. Wait a second.

 

You vote Z in something that looks like super thin reasoning, but it doesn't come across as a joke, and then as soon as you're corrected (which btw I can't believe you didn't go check this actually. It was like right there) you unvote? 

 

Afraid to step on anyone's toes?

  

 

Besie legit likes Wolfing more then Towning!!!!

 

Why is this even something to consider????

 

In terms of her "mafia is so addictive" post I mean. Did she post less in her one town game? I don't remember because it has been so long.

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't played with Besie before. Just modded a game she was in. Looks like she was wolf in all except one. Does she AtE like this in her wolf games?

 

What AtE?

"You always get me lynched :(", kind of posts

 

Not AtE imo.

 

Just a blatant misrep imo.

Do you think a scum Besie would openly misrep you? I mean, wouldn't she have thought to go back and check? Maybe not, her other posts are so wolfy, but this in particular makes me go hmm maybe not?

 

I mean its certainly possible she forgot it.

 

But in this case with it being her ONLY Town game and on top of that, the fact its me and what I did compared to someone else factors in to me having trouble thinking she forgot.

I forget or misconstrue games in my mind five mins after they end lol. 

 

I still think your suspicion might be good though, but using misrep from another game as a reason is kinda meh imo.

 

 

 

 

Maybe I used the wrong word but what she said WAS incorrect.

 

As Ive said she could have forgotten it but it seems fishy to me..

 

Also not the only reason I have for sussing her.

I know. I'm just suggesting that focusing on that part of your reasoning for sussing her is perhaps not the greatest idea, since it could be the truth?

 

 

Btw, who have found Besie villagery so far and why?

 

I think Monstr did, and Calder perhaps? Can you please explain what you're seeing?

  

 

[V] zander [/v]

So vote him.

 

Voting Tiinker at the moment because I want more from him. I'll look and see what Z says now he has two votes I believe.

  

 

the quote i missclicked in the prev post

 

Question @ Sooh

 

 

Catching up from where I left off last night.

 

p 46-48. To those of you who say that Z and I are bussing wolves, just stop. We're not bussing. At least one of us is town, and while I have iffy feelings about the other this is never bussing. 

 

Monstr-Besie is interesting. I feel like both ends of that conversation held up pretty well under scrutiny. Actually feeling kinda dizzy after that. Not sure I like Darthe poking in and trying to tilt the conversation against Besie. It seemed like an attempt to antagonize imo with his "Let's see how she can get out of this one". It's parphrased, but that was the general idea of the comment. I think both Monstr and Besie came out of it looking better.

 

 

 

 

These reads are in no particular order:

 

 

Will not lynch: Monstr, Nego, Besie, Calder, Believer.

 

Unsure: Tiinker, Kat/Pral, Dice, (Hellian), Darthe

 

WTL: Zander, Nolder.

 

I feel like Monstr has had pretty solid solving posts throughout the game so far. He's attacking where he sees fit and investigating, and if he gets satisfactory responses he's not pursuing it anymore and rather clearing people over it. I've seen Pizza do the same as town in the past so I get this kind of behavior.

 

Nego has this air of the wise man coming into the thread with his wisdom. I don't get why people have him as suspicious. 

 

Besie started out oddly to me, but she has come a long way since then. Her latest back and forth with Monstr looked really good to me. I think if she was scum this game she would have been a lot more defensive in her posts and tone. Here she quite calmly explained her view, even with the pokes from Darthe in the mix.

 

Calder and I have just been seeing a lot of the same things and mindmelding. Also if what Darthe said about him being relaxed being a good look, then I definitely feel like he is this game. 

 

Believer is up in my will not lynch mainly based on a gut feeling. 

 

Unsure list:

 

Tiinker has been looking better, but only in short spurts at a time. I want more from him going forward, because currently it feels like he's doing "just enough" to get by in the game. 

 

Kat/Pral will be interesting to observe when Kat comes into the game. Classic Pral so far, but he has always been one of those I have difficulty placing.

 

Dice is more of the same. I don't trust my ability to read him D1, so that's why he's here on my list.

 

Hellian is off the plate until replaced.

 

Darthe was initially a high read for me, but I didn't like his actions in the recent Besie/Monstr spat.

 

WTL: 

Zander. I feel like I've explained my thoughts on Zander many enough times this game. His most recent reads list does look pretty well thought out, though consensus-y.

 

Nolder: His catchup was underwhelming and he has zero real time interactions. 

 

 

 

 

bolded: I didn’t feel like he was doing at the time, so I don’t completely agree with you.

Plus, I believe Darthe had Monstrman as town – or at least more town than me – at that stage so it makes sense.

 

Why are you still unsure about Darthe? He’s posted quite a bit, so I kinda expect some kind of opinion. Is he neutral to you atm or slightly more town or scum? Or what?

Tbh, Darthe scares me a bit. I felt last game like I had him pegged and I trusted him as town throughout. He was scum there. I liked his beginning here as I said, but there's something about him trying to tilt your argument with Monstr one direction over the other that makes me feel unsure about him. He has also voiced his opinion in wanting to lynch Z, so if Z flips tonight and is scum I'll probably feel better about him. 

 

What about you? Do you feel like Darthe is town?

This progression reeks of someone who can't not find someone scummy but continues to never vote them

 

Literally she calls besie scum but defends her and talks to her about reads consistently

 

It makes no sense unless it's w/w

[monstrman]

"Darthe poking in and trying to tilt the conversation against Besie"

 

"Darthe attacking besie is bad desire that I'm scum reading her"

[monstrman]

Desire = despite

[monstrman]

It reeks of a bus of half commitment

[Darthe]

Darthe, I'm not against lynching him, but there's no hurry, is there?

No, I just wont tolerate a question hanging that leaves doubt. He is a wolf, and we are not wriggling on that. When we actually hammer today is irellevant to me.

[dyachei]

 

Darthe, I'm not against lynching him, but there's no hurry, is there?

No, I just wont tolerate a question hanging that leaves doubt. He is a wolf, and we are not wriggling on that. When we actually hammer today is irellevant to me.

 

right but i want to think through things without being told what to think or that it's "basic"

[monstrman]

Like ok look back at her read of besie first where she says "besie looks good coming out of the monstrman/besie engagement" but she follows it up a few posts later with "why are people finding besie villagery?" Did you forget that wolves can be villagery? Why the constant need to bring up her name like that?

[Darthe]

If im wrong on twi players its besie and.wifi manbat. Neither are peeked, neither Re true clear. You're right that there is plenty against besie, and I was hard on that for a while, but ive been sticking to this resolution oriented approach I took since n1 ended.

 

I prob need to reassess her tbh.

[Darthe]

 

 

Darthe, I'm not against lynching him, but there's no hurry, is there?

No, I just wont tolerate a question hanging that leaves doubt. He is a wolf, and we are not wriggling on that. When we actually hammer today is irellevant to me.

right but i want to think through things without being told what to think or that it's "basic"

Dont post them on my thread. I. Know better than to let players like besie, wifi, even manbat wifom these things because youll process them and move on but they'll actually never vote him as a result of them. Trust me that I know this group.

[monstrman]

Sooh said nothing about nolder except that he wasn't doing anything afaict so there's no clearing or condemning spew

 

Can't argue against his lynch after the roleblocked claim, a villager probably would have just come clean?

[monstrman]

[V]nolder [/v]

[Pralaya]

I don't remember Besie mentioning Nolder at all. Has she?

 

As I mentioned before in my ISO, there's also this which came suddenly when Calder mentioned Zander/besie/nolder as the scum team. 

[Darthe]

Saying nothing is prob spew in and of itself but thats hard to read into.

 

@di, sorry I called it basic. I think that the progression is a good thing and that you're thinking is awesome, I just really dont want this derailed please. You're my peeked townie and nego gave me a lot of reason to think godfather, but you havent. Can we work together please?

[Darthe]

[unvote] I wamt hammer, and I'll be holding it a while

[Nolder]

 

 

Darthe, I'm not against lynching him, but there's no hurry, is there?

No, I just wont tolerate a question hanging that leaves doubt. He is a wolf, and we are not wriggling on that. When we actually hammer today is irellevant to me.

 

right but i want to think through things without being told what to think or that it's "basic"

 

Please, if you guys lynch me, make sure to force Darthe to eat his words. I am not a wolf. My role is Survivor.

[Darthe]

AtE