[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[Pralaya]

Good shot by Dice. That clears up one slot.

 

Currently re-reading the thread ! Think we should be able to more or less get to the scum now - better than before.

[Darthe]

Can someone ask nol how he knew he was roleblocked? I'm curious if he got a different result then when he viewed me.

[Darthe]

@mod were you ever able to update the OP?

[Nolder]

 

 

 

Okay, just finished ISO'ing pralaya.  I think he is wolf because:

 

 

I am good with a Believer/Besie trains today. Think both are wolves looking at the fact that both of them are voting Tinker.

 

 We know sooh was SCUM.

 

We also know that sooh and tiinker were buddy buddies:

 

 

I finally made it through everything. Some quotes

 

right now my vote going to calder.  there no real reason here except im just not voting zander

 

 

nol wont happen darthe

 

 

vote calder

 

 

Dice's vote on Calder is also BS.

 

 

I got Darthe, Monstr, Sooh, Nolder as town with Nego, Besie and Dice as scum.

 

[v]Nego[/v]

 

 

this reads poorly to me. Defense of sooh and I believe he flip flopped on his read of monstr. Slight scum read

 

Ok seriously people! Read Believer and please tell my why I shouldn't lynch him right now. His pushes on Tiinker have been nothing really, and that's about all he has done this game. In my experience he at least usually leaves a bit more of an imprint on the thread. 

 

Also when you have read and agree with me, please move your vote accordingly. Thanks.

 

and sooh defends him.

 

 

 

Ok seriously people! Read Believer and please tell my why I shouldn't lynch him right now. His pushes on Tiinker have been nothing really, and that's about all he has done this game. In my experience he at least usually leaves a bit more of an imprint on the thread. 

 

Also when you have read and agree with me, please move your vote accordingly. Thanks.

Are you reading me scum because I have done nothing, in your mind?

 

If you are reading me null, am I really the best lynch to you?

 

I don't like this post at all, very tempted to OMGUS.

 

You're attempting to lynch Tiinker over the same kind of idea. "I believe he doesn't believe what he's saying". I think Tiinker has had some good posts this game, especially since his initial train happened, and I don't like this push on him. 

 

Why would you say I'm reading you null? Does my vote suggest that you're null to me?

 

 

 

and again with the defense.

 

 

 

Someone give me a good reason to not lynch tiink?

 

So yeah the way I see it: 

 

1.  Sooh was scum.

2a. Sooh was defending Tiinker

2b. Tiinker was defending Sooh

2conclusion: Sooh and Tiinker are on the same team.

3a Pral wants to lynch besie/believer for voting Tiink/defending Tiink

3b Pral has sooh and tiink in top of his reads list

3conclusion: Pral is last mafia

 

[unvote] [v] tiinker [/v] People already voting Tiink, Pral next

 

 

I'm thinking Darthe over Pral.

From what I've seen others say he drove all the mislynches.

 

 

You think he could be a deepwolf to all those of us that have had him solid town (which is most?)

You've thought he was scummy almost all game, right?

 

As I see it, he only drove the first mislynch.

The second one he said he'd prefer him over Tiink but he wasn't overly pushy. What surprised me in that mislynch was when Wildfire implied that his vote counted more than the others. Both Darthe and I indicated to her that in a lynch all votes are equal. I can find the quotes if need be. Anyway, this is one of the reasons why she's still in my wtl D3.

 

You're talking about Darthe?

No I haven't suspected him all game.

I don't really have enough information to call him a proper suspect.

I thought from context that others were accusing him of driving mislynches.

Maybe that's not true.

 

Regardless I will take a closer look at Pral tomorrow if I am alive.

[dyachei]

Can someone ask nol how he knew he was roleblocked? I'm curious if he got a different result then when he viewed me.

why can't you ask him?

[Darthe]

He has me on ignore forum wide

[Darthe]

Trust me, its a blessing

[Pralaya]

Sooh ISO:
 

 

 

 

What? No. I said faking to correct a typo where I accidentally typed taking -.-

 
Interesting.

 

In my experience wolves say "interesting" 90% of the time.
 
[v]BlomBesie[/v]

 

Lol this is pretty much a universal tell, no?

 

Besie had heat pretty much early in the game from zander, darthe which kind of died of. If my sense of besie as scum is correct, this looks like sooh is trying to push the suspicion away from besie at the beginning of the game.
 

Besie definitely not looking too good here.

Distancing?
 

 

 

 

He kinda did. Post 1 non-mod of the game

This was to tinker

 

 
lol god damn it. [unvote]

 

Whoa. Wait a second.
 
You vote Z in something that looks like super thin reasoning, but it doesn't come across as a joke, and then as soon as you're corrected (which btw I can't believe you didn't go check this actually. It was like right there) you unvote? 
 
Afraid to step on anyone's toes?

 

And, then she starts hard nudging tinker. Most likely trying to push the lynch towards tinker. But, the thing is this didn't look like a hard push - so it could very well be a distancing effort.
 

Btw, going through this I'm kinda feeling Darthe as villagery. Nothing that has pinged me the wrong way there yet. Of course last time we played he duped me completely as a wolf until the end, so meh, but I'm not lynching there today.

Comment out of nowhere on Darthe. At this point of time, both sooh and darthe were considering each other as villagers. This stood out to me while looking at her posts.
 

Couch was comfy. It made me take a nap. 
 
Also 
 
[v]Tiink[/v]

I read the thread?
 
If you're referring to my vote on Tiinker I just read his latest progression. It doesn't look great. Could be like you say that he's just a wolfy looking townie, and I know I have been part of lynches of him in the past where he has been, but consider it a push to come in and make some reads with basis in the thread.

Votes tink. Stil don't think it is serious push because she soon votes for zander and stays on that train. Essentially, creating a zander/calder v/v lynch trains.

 

 

It seems this gMe clammed up once we let up on besie

Well we haven't really focused on anyone since then. Currently we're exploring both Zander, Tiinker and Believer it seems like.

 

 

[V] zander

So vote him.

 

Voting Tiinker at the moment because I want more from him. I'll look and see what Z says now he has two votes I believe.

These series of posts pretty much gives a sense that it was a parked vote on Tinker. And, that she considers to vote on Zander sooner or later. Which is what she exactly did.
 

I browsed through Tiinker's big post this morning, but I'll go back to it now and read more thoroughly. It looked good at a glance though.

There. And, more "reasoning"

In her read list end of D1, interesting that Besie is so high by the end of D1. Also, started finding Nolder scummy.
 

Not having the best night atm. Got some strange chest pains going on. Nothing serious though I don't think. Dunno. Husband is taking really good care of me. 
 
Monstr, if you think I'm a wolf, go ahead and make a case on me and I'll respond when I get back here. Right now it's just a thought in your head and nothing concrete that I can refute in any way except shouting "BUT I'M TOWN YOU GUIZ", and that's not going to help any of us.

That makes it look good for manbat. This kind of appealing post is typically done by wolf to town in order to look good. Especially phrases like "if you think I'm a wolf" isn't likely to come from w/w.
 

ISOing Darthe is a chore and a half. Kinda regretting the decision I made to start there.
 
Besie/Tiink is interesting. 
 
Believer needs to do more than pop in with an "Are we voting X now?" in order to get off my WTL list right now.

Kind of mentions all three - Darthe, tink and besie and then proceeds to vote believer. And, then she goes to hard defend tinker when Believer votes him.
The rest of the day she hard pushes believer.
 

I don't remember Besie mentioning Nolder at all. Has she?

That's a very odd comment to make. Why was she interested in Besie's comments about Nolder?

Everything after that is just focused on Believer

[monstrman]

 

I was roleblocked but it's pretty clear who Dice shot. Well done man.

So can we all agree that Sooh (and maybe Darthe?) were running interference for Tiinker?

Dice bought us some breathing room but we need to actually start lynching mafia.

 

[v]Tiinker[/v]

 

 

*snip*

 

So yeah the way I see it: 

 

1.  Sooh was scum.

2a. Sooh was defending Tiinker

2b. Tiinker was defending Sooh

2conclusion: Sooh and Tiinker are on the same team.

3a Pral wants to lynch besie/believer for voting Tiink/defending Tiink

3b Pral has sooh and tiink in top of his reads list

3conclusion: Pral is last mafia

 

[unvote] [v] tiinker [/v] People already voting Tiink, Pral next

 

 

[v]tiinker[/v]

 

 

Also 3 tink votes in 4 posts.

Odd, to say the least.

 

 

 

[v]Tiinker[/v]

Ya you missed alot

[Darthe]

How close is tink to getting lynched?

[Pralaya]

Essentially, I see a lot of focus from Sooh on Besie and Tinker both. She votes Tinker but I didn't feel it was serious enough. Because, she votes him with an intention of voting zander sooner or later, which she does. Her parked vote on Tinker is something that intrigues me.

 

She also flip-flops on Besie throughout D1. She defends her initially when she had heat and then calls her scum and then goes back to feeling her towny. A lot of her interactions on D1 were with Besie.

 

She also had some minor interaction comments on Darthe, Nolder etc. The main thing that comes out  is that manbat is most likely not a wolf with sooh.

 

I think the scum is in tink/besie - maybe both. Definitely seeing connections there. I am more pressed towards Besie than tink, tbh.

[Darthe]

Give me thirty minutes before votes happen

[Darthe]

And ask nol my question

[Pralaya]

That took longer than I expected.  

 

I plan to see Darthe and Wifi in detail too.

Maybe Dya but I felt good about Nego when he was playing. Nothing specifically stood out during the game. 

[Pralaya]

Also, BEsie voting TInker and unvoting immediately is interesting to say the least. 

[Pralaya]

Their interactions from my reading of d1/d2.

 

Also think that besie is pretty villagery now that I'm almost done reading.

 

i had an exact opposite feeling from my D1 read. Can you expand upon this a bit? What interactions did you exactly see in D1 that shows this?

[Darthe]

Hold up before you go on your reread laya

[Darthe]

I'm cop, nol faked his result and got really unlucky to hit me since I did peek nego n1 and got a town result. Peeked sooh n2.

 

Based on the nol push on tink tinker is conf town, and manbat is too from his sooh and nol interactions. Laya looks very town, sooh and nol both spewed besie, so that leaves two options.

 

Wild is the final wolf or nego was a godfather imo. Probably nust nol and wild though.

 

In any case, [v] nol [/v]

[Pralaya]

Interesting. Yeah, nol scum would spew tinker town.

 

Darthe has been talking throughout D2 about tracker and cop co-existing and having discussion on mechanics - especially after Nolder claimed. That makes sense considering this. 

 

[v]nol[/v]

[Pralaya]

I'm cop, nol faked his result and got really unlucky to hit me since I did peek nego n1 and got a town result. Peeked sooh n2.

 

Based on the nol push on tink tinker is conf town, and manbat is too from his sooh and nol interactions. Laya looks very town, sooh and nol both spewed besie, so that leaves two options.

 

Wild is the final wolf or nego was a godfather imo. Probably nust nol and wild though.

 

In any case, [v] nol [/v]

 

Oh, since Nolder is not seeing this...

 

Quoting it.

[Guest]

 

 

 

I was roleblocked but it's pretty clear who Dice shot. Well done man.

So can we all agree that Sooh (and maybe Darthe?) were running interference for Tiinker?

Dice bought us some breathing room but we need to actually start lynching mafia.

 

[v]Tiinker[/v]

 

*snip*

 

So yeah the way I see it: 

 

1.  Sooh was scum.

2a. Sooh was defending Tiinker

2b. Tiinker was defending Sooh

2conclusion: Sooh and Tiinker are on the same team.

3a Pral wants to lynch besie/believer for voting Tiink/defending Tiink

3b Pral has sooh and tiink in top of his reads list

3conclusion: Pral is last mafia

 

[unvote] [v] tiinker [/v] People already voting Tiink, Pral next

 

[v]tiinker[/v]

 

Also 3 tink votes in 4 posts.

Odd, to say the least.

 

 

[v]Tiinker[/v]

 

 

Ya you missed alot

 

 

lol okay thanks

 

How close is tink to getting lynched?

 

He was at -2 when I left.

 

Current votes should be 3 on Tiink and 2 on Nolder

 

Also, BEsie voting TInker and unvoting immediately is interesting to say the least. 

 

I had to go to an appointment and didn't want to leave him at -1. 

 

 

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[Guest]

Nolder, how did you know you were roleblocked?

[Nolder]

I'm not a Tracker.

I am just a Survivor, please don't lynch me.

I have been playing with the town the entire time and even tried to sacrifice myself by claiming Tracker (note I did not claim cop so as to out a cop).

I do sincerely believe Tiinker is mafia and suggest we lynch him but if you guys force me to I will unvote and just let ya'll decide what to do.

[Guest]

I'm cop, nol faked his result and got really unlucky to hit me since I did peek nego n1 and got a town result. Peeked sooh n2.

 

Based on the nol push on tink tinker is conf town, and manbat is too from his sooh and nol interactions. Laya looks very town, sooh and nol both spewed besie, so that leaves two options.

 

Wild is the final wolf or nego was a godfather imo. Probably nust nol and wild though.

 

In any case, [v] nol [/v]

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

[Guest]

I'm not a Tracker.

I am just a Survivor, please don't lynch me.

I have been playing with the town the entire time and even tried to sacrifice myself by claiming Tracker (note I did not claim cop so as to out a cop).

I do sincerely believe Tiinker is mafia and suggest we lynch him but if you guys force me to I will unvote and just let ya'll decide what to do.

 

What does it mean if you're survivor?