[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[monstrman]

O yeah Nego you're in a bunch of goes

 

I said you might be scum for not doing as much as I remember town Nego doing

 

Still think that's an objectively true statement, but ily?

[Guest]

 

I'm back, have read/skimmed most of the thread.

 

Are you guys still lynching Zander? Stop that.

 

+1

 

 

Yeah I have to say I'm feeling the same way.

[Guest]

 

 

I'm back, have read/skimmed most of the thread.

 

Are you guys still lynching Zander? Stop that.

 

+1

 

 

Yeah I have to say I'm feeling the same way.

 

and this is coming from someone who is super tired and can't even understand what half the posts are saying so it should say something.

[Guest]

O yeah Nego you're in a bunch of goes

 

I said you might be scum for not doing as much as I remember town Nego doing

 

Still think that's an objectively true statement, but ily?

if you believe in it, you should act on it. but i'm town, dw about it. ilu2

[monstrman]

I don't want to vote you if there's a possibility you're town and there is

 

So that's not quite a 100% flawless philosophy

[Guest]

I feel like Nego might be a wolf because I feel like aso a villager he'd be doing more here considering how he was last time we played together

 

when was the last time we played together though?

 

i don't think i was playing three games at the same time back then either.

[monstrman]

I mean, idk I just like to be more sure of things before I act on them

 

Otherwise crap like me v besie happens and I go "well that was totally pointless"

[monstrman]

 

I feel like Nego might be a wolf because I feel like aso a villager he'd be doing more here considering how he was last time we played together

 

 

 

when was the last time we played together though?

 

i don't think i was playing three games at the same time back then either.

Iirc haunted mansion by cory on vs, and no you were not.

[Guest]

I don't want to vote you if there's a possibility you're town and there is

 

So that's not quite a 100% flawless philosophy

honestly i'm not going to be much use today so either lynch me or wait until d2. i'll try to step it up when there's less ppl for me to read but right now it's not possible.

 

i'm just going to catch up and then go to bed. it's already half past two am.

[monstrman]

 

I don't want to vote you if there's a possibility you're town and there is

So that's not quite a 100% flawless philosophy

 

honestly i'm not going to be much use today so either lynch me or wait until d2. i'll try to step it up when there's less ppl for me to read but right now it's not possible.

 

i'm just going to catch up and then go to bed. it's already half past two am.

But I don't want to take it to that extreme I just want to talk to you and see what your new reads are

 

And then lynch you if I think you're a wolf

[Guest]

 

 

I feel like Nego might be a wolf because I feel like aso a villager he'd be doing more here considering how he was last time we played together

 

 

when was the last time we played together though?

 

i don't think i was playing three games at the same time back then either.

Iirc haunted mansion by cory on vs, and no you were not.

 

yeah, that was also a game with over half of the player list being people i've played with a lot. this game is different. i've played with some of you but only once or twice, and it's been so long that i can't recall your meta

[monstrman]

I'm monstrman

 

Most of the time it's safe to just

 

[X] Monstrman is a villager

 

As long as I look like I care about the game

 

There is one exception for every like 4 or 5 of my wolf games but yeah

[Guest]

 

 

I don't want to vote you if there's a possibility you're town and there is

So that's not quite a 100% flawless philosophy

honestly i'm not going to be much use today so either lynch me or wait until d2. i'll try to step it up when there's less ppl for me to read but right now it's not possible.

 

i'm just going to catch up and then go to bed. it's already half past two am.

But I don't want to take it to that extreme I just want to talk to you and see what your new reads are

 

And then lynch you if I think you're a wolf

 

sorry, not going to happen. i have no new reads.

 

i think lynching zander is a bad idea. dice still hasn't said or done anything that would make me think he's town. i keep mixing calder/nolder together because of their names but both seem scummy, the one with the futurama avatar even more so i wouldn't mind lynching there.

 

besie, believer, and you are my best picks for town. sooh is close but i'm not really feeling her. tiink i believe is townish enough.

[Darthe]

 

I feel like Nego might be a wolf because I feel like aso a villager he'd be doing more here considering how he was last time we played together

when was the last time we played together though?

 

i don't think i was playing three games at the same time back then either.

Speaking as someone who has played three at once many times that point is utterly moot.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I feel like Nego might be a wolf because I feel like aso a villager he'd be doing more here considering how he was last time we played together

 

when was the last time we played together though?

 

i don't think i was playing three games at the same time back then either.

Iirc haunted mansion by cory on vs, and no you were not.

yeah, that was also a game with over half of the player list being people i've played with a lot. this game is different. i've played with some of you but only once or twice, and it's been so long that i can't recall your meta

This one is valid

[Darthe]

 

 

 

I don't want to vote you if there's a possibility you're town and there is

So that's not quite a 100% flawless philosophy

honestly i'm not going to be much use today so either lynch me or wait until d2. i'll try to step it up when there's less ppl for me to read but right now it's not possible.

 

i'm just going to catch up and then go to bed. it's already half past two am.

But I don't want to take it to that extreme I just want to talk to you and see what your new reads are

 

And then lynch you if I think you're a wolf

sorry, not going to happen. i have no new reads.

 

i think lynching zander is a bad idea. dice still hasn't said or done anything that would make me think he's town. i keep mixing calder/nolder together because of their names but both seem scummy, the one with the futurama avatar even more so i wouldn't mind lynching there.

 

besie, believer, and you are my best picks for town. sooh is close but i'm not really feeling her. tiink i believe is townish enough.

Dice is a pretty easy town read so far imo, then again I know him. See him puffing up and seeking out challenges? Thats town dice.

[Darthe]

Also seems like you're suggesting I may be a wolf by proxy there.

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

 

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

 

 

"monstrman is a wolf"

 

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

 

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

 

 

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

 

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE? 

 

Are you aware of my current read of you?

 

 

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

 

 

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

 

So besie prolly a villager

 

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

 

 

 

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

 

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE? 

 

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

 

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

 

 

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it? 

 

>.>

 

 

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

 

 

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

 

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

 

you're the one continuing with it.

 

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong. 

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

 

 

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

 

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

 

 

actually this is not a bad find. besie dropping down on my list.

 

[Guest]

 

 

I feel like Nego might be a wolf because I feel like aso a villager he'd be doing more here considering how he was last time we played together

when was the last time we played together though?

 

i don't think i was playing three games at the same time back then either.

Speaking as someone who has played three at once many times that point is utterly moot.

 

 

you probably can do it but i'm noticing that i can't.

 

[Guest]

Also seems like you're suggesting I may be a wolf by proxy there.

 

I forgot all about you.

 

i view you as null. at times you're trending down, then i forget why and you say things that make me think you are town, and then i forget why. i don't know why but i can't read you.

 

but then again iirc that was the case in haunted house as well?

[Guest]

okay i guess besie explained herself well, although i'm still not sure about the whole "monstr/x w/w" -> "i never said you were a wolf" thing. could be just mindblerb.

[Guest]

okay, caught up, reads haven't changed enough for me to change my vote.

 

i need to go to bed so i'll leave this to you.

[Darthe]

 

Also seems like you're suggesting I may be a wolf by proxy there.

I forgot all about you.

 

i view you as null. at times you're trending down, then i forget why and you say things that make me think you are town, and then i forget why. i don't know why but i can't read you.

 

but then again iirc that was the case in haunted house as well?

Idk, im pretty here. If it makes you feel better, I cant read you worty a damn either.

 

Im willing to vote blomb or zander or noodler today. I think its generous of me to have three suspects here, so y'all can pick one and I'll tell you if you puck right or wrong when I return.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

And also....you cant bribe me with your nipples....youre a nipple prostitute and will show them to me regardless imo

You're desperate enough to see them again that any nipple bribe should work.

 

 

Legit AF

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

 

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Reads atp are for the most part to be taken with a grain of salt for accuracy imo/

 

Read his two ISO's imo.

 

I KNOW the roles effect things.

 

BUT

 

Hes playing vastly different then the last game and different enough in Disney thus far.

 

Getting reads from him last game early D1 was a task.  He talks about how D1 and D1 reads are crap.

 

Hence different Meta.

 

Well it wasn't a shade attempt, it was more of a direct suspicion actually. You seem to be blindly focused on meta and unable to read the replies people give to you in this game and add them to your consideration. It's fine to use meta as a starting point or even a grounds for suspicion, but to say that Believer's responses this game mean nothing compared to previous meta, which in my experience has differed from game to game, sounds fishy to me. 

 

 

I disagree but maybe its in part to a little bias but meh.

 

Besides the orange I picked out of in the quote you posted can you show me other examples of me doing this?

 

Show me where I said his responses this game mean nothing?  Because if youre trying to say me me saying his like 10 or so page in game reads list with no or lol raisins with a grain of salt as your response Im gonna find that pretty fishy fwiw.

 

Right now in catch up its page 37  I dont remember the exact page this started on but youre acting like me starting to figure people out with Meta early in a game with 2 people, (Besie- Who you know I have a personal bias for and has made me look really bad when shes owned me up as The Wolfy Troll Princess and as you know someone Ive only played 5 games of Mafia with and Believer who is new to DM and Ive only played 2 games with him) is somehow strange or unZander like and thats making 0 sense to me.

 

It's not that you're using meta to form reads that's strange to me. It's your unwillingness to actually consider their responses besides throwing a "but you did it differently last time" at them. It reads to me like you make your mind up that you're going to read a person wolfy for doing something that's different in a game, and you just keep harping on it through a long argument with them without reading their responses and having any visible thought process about their responses. 

 

No, you didn't use the words "your responses to me mean nothing" that's the feeling I get when reading your posts, because it doesn't seem like you're thinking about what they are saying back at you at all. 

 

 

Literally tho as far as I can tell only thing youre referencing here is Believers reads list so I dont know why you worded it that way at all.

 

Do you have other examples you can show me?

 

 

 

I also want people to look at how Zander responded to my accusations. He shrugged it off and said I had "no raisins."

 

From a standard player, sure. That is a conservative way to respond as eithet alignment. But, ask yourself what town Zander does 90% of the time. He comes back hard at that person. Showers them in posts. Often bumps them to the top of his suspect list and maybe votes them. Yet, he goes with the shrug off.

 

Not town Zander. Not in this game.

 

*this message brought to you by the Pirate Lord Council of Tortuga.

As i stated i was like 15 pages behind and catching up when I seen that.

 

You made one comment really atp with an actual reason which Ive questioned and have never seen a response to.

 

Thought Id wait till I was caught up to see if you were actually trying to progress a read on me or trying to push me.

 

 

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up.

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted.

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”.

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed.

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

Tiink's big catchup isn't huge in terms of content, but I can see how he might have come to the conclusions he has.

 

In terms of what made me suspect Tiinker to begin with it comes down to a couple of things. One is the Zander vote and backtracking. First it's the fact that he chose to jump on Z for the reason he did, valid or not. It seemed like he was searching for a reason to vote someone, and that was the weak reasoning he found. It was also based on pure guesswork as far as I can tell, or poor memory. One of the two. I don't remember exactly where in the game this happened, but from my recollection it was after we were done with the initial jokes back and forth, so I would expect a vote at that point to at least be somewhat serious unless otherwise indicated in the post. There was nothing in that vote post that made me believe that Tiinker was trying to joke-vote Z though, so with at least a semi-serious vote it's strange that it was dropped so soon after.

 

Another thing that I felt was scummy about Tiinker was how he handled being asked about reads last night before he came back and made these reads. He seemed dismissive, and that was the reason why I chose to vote him at the time. Now, with these ~ok reads I'm willing to give him more time. Color me not convinced, but at least satisfied enough to give him more time.

 

[unvote]

 

About Z though. Z is usually pretty good at mimicking his town game when scum. The difference as I see it is the level of just general eagerness in which he approaches the game. He had a good start in terms of that, but he has tapered off some, and there have been some reads that I had some trouble following in terms of the sincerity in them, or perhaps the nitpicky-ness.

You know what

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Now you have things to count, Nyn

You see now the bold is something I dont really have a big problem with Town!Sooh sussing me for.

 

My issue with it now is that she was pushing at me for stuff that shes saying is different or weird for Town!Zander when its 100% not first.

 

Its like she was throwing stuff out there to see if she could get something to stick.

 

Tinks been getting sussed and Sooh is currently voting him. Then he makes a pretty villagery reads list post and some people who were sussing him kinda backed off and after this happens Sooh lays out kinda like to justify all the reasons she had for sussing him before saying the post was kinda villagery but shed watch him.

 

Then theres me who hadnt been around much who shed also thrown shade type posts out there earlier and then after others start sussing and voting me she gives a basic but kinda generic reason to jump on and vote me.

 

These last 2 things come across to me like Sooh is overly aware and concerned about how shes perceived by everyone when shes sussing and voting her suspects.

 

Ill have to go back and see if her Tink suss and vote came after someone else had voiced it.

 

Tbh z votes aren't bad as his heart isn't in it and he is doing that thing where he focuses on one piece of a post and neglects the rest.

 

That said, thoughts on dice and monstr would be good to see.

Youre about to get your dose of humble pie imo.

Imagine a world where you made reads as coherent as that sooh one all the time. Noted for if you flip town though!

 

 

[Zander?]

Sorry guys. I'm not feeling well tonight. I'll be around tomorrow though.

 

Feel better Sooh!!!!!!!!!

 

I'm back, have read/skimmed most of the thread.

 

Are you guys still lynching Zander? Stop that.

 

Hello my Sexy Swede <3 <3 <3

 

 

 

And I chose zander over tiink partly because this isn't zander's best showing if he's a villager and partly because I think calder is likely to be a villager so I wanted to see where his read went

Tink I've already cooled on anyway and kinda don't really think he's a wolf

 

Can you elaborate on why please?

 

 

 

• If zander is a villager I'm having a hard time ranking which of calder/darthe/Sooh I would think is most likely to be a wolf trying to lynch him
• Calder I've never seen as a wolf go out of his way to try to get some random villager lynched but I think I've only seen a few of his games.
• Darthe has a few posts that seem like they could be pocketing me but he also has like one of the highest thread presences in the game
• Sooh has very villagery tone but voted zander in a spot where, if he is a villager, looks a little bit shady just because of (and if I'm remembering it sorry) the way she seemed to say "f it" and vote zander
• I don't think it's possible for calder and Sooh to be on a scum team because of the way calder is approaching soon, but aside from that I don't think I can rule out multiple wolves on the wagon. It is also possible they are villagers so yeah
• If zander is a wolf I think calder has a point that it's likely Sooh is the only person bussing him, but I think it's more likely that wolves are simply calling him a villager and avoiding his wagon in this case

 

•  I am a Villager.  I feel like Sooh should know me the best but as Ive been going along i think back to the game where sussed me for something that made no sense to me and we were both Villas then i ML'd her replacement for it.  Tho admittedly Sooh was sick that game.
• This is not an ego thing here but am I really some random villager?  I just mean like Im pretty intense as Town and I if I think I get on to something, Ive been told I can be pretty relentless and if Im correct and sussing a Wolf it tends to draw a lot of attention to them.  Im also very vocal and can usually get myself close to clear pretty quickly when I start feeling it.  I dont have that hard of a time imagining Scum any of them saying "Well Zander's not been really active here's an opportunity to get him ml'd."
• FDLFMD imo
• In Sooh's defense she did throw some shade or if Town suss at me early on.
• Can you show me where you dont think Sooh and Calder can be w/w based on his approach to Sooh?
• Why is Sooh the most likely to Buss of the 3 iyo?

1. Noted

 

2. To a wolf, every player is just some random villager unless they pose a direct threat to that wolf's safety

 

I mean, if anything you being zander reinforces the point that calder going out of his way to push you seems uncharacteristically bold from him from my perspective

 

3. ??? ??? ???

 

4. Also noted

 

5. No because I'm on phone but since I have a near perfect thread memory I can basically say it went along the lines of calder saying "wow Sooh is tied to zander and also a wolf she's the deepwolf that you all are town reading" and I mean, I dunno at the time it seemed like it would be unlikely for calder to outright say something like that as a wolf about his wolfbro, but I mean I guess it's possible? I still don't think it's likely because I don't see calder, despite the joking kind of nature he has, going to that extreme when he could simply clear Sooh as well and ensure they were both out of danger

 

Who knows for sure

 

6. Sooh is the most likely bus of the three because you are most notably bussing her back, so logically it would make the most sense since from the perspective of the wolves that would accomplish the most distancing. The way calder is approaching you seems less indicative of a bus and more indicative of a wolf railroading a villager or as I see it a very confident villager. Darthe just voted you and said "i'm right he's a wolf" so it's a possible bus but begs the question "why bus so half heartedly?" Because it seems too obvious

 

 

OK thank you.

 

What do you think of me being the only real train this far into D1?