[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

[Guest]

I understand what less green post means now

[Darthe]

[Guest]

I don't understand that picture, Darthe

[Darthe]

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What emotion do you normally associate with Town Zander when hes getting sussed iyo?

 

.

 

That image was in response to this

[Darthe]

I don't understand that picture, Darthe

Shh bby bird, papa gon feed ya

[monstrman]

 

 

 

Okay, and here is his reason. It relates to my recent post about Zander’s activity. It’s still a bit odd to me that Zander’s absence is enough to get a vote when his clear frustration and complete AtE of Tiink is apparently not enough for a vote there. Monstrman/Tiink w/w?

 

Bottom p30 is a lot of support and helpfulness towards Monstrman from Darthe. Even though I agree with all that Darthe said there, it just makes me uncomfortable – to both players. Monstrman/Tiink/Darthe team? That seems too easy.

 

 

 

"monstrman is a wolf"

 

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

 

"Lol no what? ok you're probably still a villager though"

 

 

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

 

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE? 

 

Are you aware of my current read of you?

 

 

"Are you aware of my current read of you?"

 

 

I think it takes a certain level of critical thinking that wolves have a hard time faking to look at an interaction between two players and make that connection between me and tink (wrong as it is)

 

So besie prolly a villager

 

Ah, you were talking about me wondering why you were voting Zander instead of Tiink. Thanks for reading my catchup posts? But I still don't understand why you didn't just vote Tiink. I'm still catching up so if you said something from p30 to explain why you chose Zander above Tiink, fine, but if not, please inform me?

 

 

 

Besie would be losing village points fast but I think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me

 

You're talking about that I called your outburst AtE? 

 

Are you aware of my current read of you?

Ill be honest I really don't care because if you're a wolf you'll never ever ever get me lynched and if you're a villager I'm confident I can change your mind

 

So yeah, don't care at all about your read of me right now.

 

 

No offence, but you can't say the bold without knowing how I'm reading you atm. So why did you say it? 

 

>.>

 

 

Again, no sense because you said "monstrman is on wolf teams" which means that you implied I was wolfy, you KNEW you implied I'm wolfy, and then you tried to turn it on me then

 

 

Yet nowhere in the post did you explicitly say monstrman is a wolf

 

I'm not having this argument it has nothing to do with alignments

 

you're the one continuing with it.

 

I didn't say you're a wolf, no. That's not my read of you. Which is why i found it odd when you said i'm reading you wrong. 

So i'm reading you wrong when I've been reading you town? Interesting. - was my thoughts.

 

 

"Wow I was reading you town the whole time. Interesting that you think that's wrong."

 

Besie has proven that her reads are fabricated. Lynch the crap out of her accordingly, and immediately.

[Guest]

"You're scummy"

 

"You don't know how to read me, but you're probably still a villager"

 

"How can you say I don't know how to read you if I'm Town reading you?"

 

??? ??? ???

 

Just a question. Did you read my thoughts on other players, or just yourself? I tend to say "scummy" and "towny" at any posts. 

 

It's D1. I'm trying to find every fault that every person has. There's literally been like one proper thing that bothers me about you, Monstrman. You can easily just continue playing and be town read again later if you are actually town.

[monstrman]

You sussed me, then tried to play it off like you were still townreading me, then sussed me again.

 

You're not a villager.

[Zander?]

 

Thanks monstrman.

 

I have Sooh’s (v/w – p25 #483) – would you please go into detail? You said you didn’t have time then.

 

I might have missed some.

 

Still reading from p25

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

I feel like I've explained this a couple of times since then. Going to assume you've found some of it by now. 

 

 

 

 

Tink seems fine, just comes across as a generally kinda wolfy dude.

 

Sooh, how are you developing your thoughts?

I read the thread?

 

If you're referring to my vote on Tiinker I just read his latest progression. It doesn't look great. Could be like you say that he's just a wolfy looking townie, and I know I have been part of lynches of him in the past where he has been, but consider it a push to come in and make some reads with basis in the thread.

 

 

Then why not explain it at the time of the vote?

 

Its kinda like what you did to me earlier that i called a drive by shading.

 

Its a bit sketchy imo.

 

I felt like it was clear from the thread at that point. Don't know why you're expecting to be explained everything with a tea spoon tbh. 

 

As for "shading", I think you're assuming that people can't think for themselves and make up their own minds. You're asking me to explain how I'm developing my reads, well, that "shading" was a part of developing a read. I'm explaining what I see in the thread and how I interpret things, and dismissing it as "shading" doesn't sit well with me either tbh. 

 

My flyby "shading" of you was during my lunch at work. I had exactly enough time to come in, read up and drop my thoughts and ideas in the thread. Then I had to go outside and watch kidlets being obnoxious. 

 

I know you've heard about pressure votes before, so I don't get why you're reading this as "shading" at all actually. Considering what happened later (which may have had absolutely nothing to do with my vote, I know) I don't regret voting Tiinker at all. 

 

 

i dont hate this response from Sooh fwiw.

 

I like the tone of it I still have concerns but ya not too bad imo.

 

Zander I need you to somehow confirm or condemn yourself to me in one post

 

So can you please do me a huge favor and just make one list of your current reads of the thread on everyone all at once?

 

Ily bro I don't want to lynch you if you're not a wolf

 

I wanted to try an reread if possible after I get caught up.

 

Couple sections Ive seen commented on I dont fully recall like the Dice/Believer thing.

 

I will give you one off the top of head once Im caught up if youd like?

[monstrman]

 

 

Thanks monstrman.

 

I have Sooh’s (v/w – p25 #483) – would you please go into detail? You said you didn’t have time then.

 

I might have missed some.

 

Still reading from p25

 

Flyby, but

 

Believer gives very easy reads for ~uncertain or next to no reason to myself/Z/Dice and in part Besie. Zander jumps on him, not for the emptiness of those reads, but because he has reads? This reads so weird to me Z.

 

Following that the exchange between Believer/Zander ends with me feeling better about Believer and worse about Z.

No time for more details atm.

I feel like I've explained this a couple of times since then. Going to assume you've found some of it by now. 

 

 

 

 

Tink seems fine, just comes across as a generally kinda wolfy dude.

 

Sooh, how are you developing your thoughts?

I read the thread?

 

If you're referring to my vote on Tiinker I just read his latest progression. It doesn't look great. Could be like you say that he's just a wolfy looking townie, and I know I have been part of lynches of him in the past where he has been, but consider it a push to come in and make some reads with basis in the thread.

 

 

Then why not explain it at the time of the vote?

 

Its kinda like what you did to me earlier that i called a drive by shading.

 

Its a bit sketchy imo.

 

I felt like it was clear from the thread at that point. Don't know why you're expecting to be explained everything with a tea spoon tbh. 

 

As for "shading", I think you're assuming that people can't think for themselves and make up their own minds. You're asking me to explain how I'm developing my reads, well, that "shading" was a part of developing a read. I'm explaining what I see in the thread and how I interpret things, and dismissing it as "shading" doesn't sit well with me either tbh. 

 

My flyby "shading" of you was during my lunch at work. I had exactly enough time to come in, read up and drop my thoughts and ideas in the thread. Then I had to go outside and watch kidlets being obnoxious. 

 

I know you've heard about pressure votes before, so I don't get why you're reading this as "shading" at all actually. Considering what happened later (which may have had absolutely nothing to do with my vote, I know) I don't regret voting Tiinker at all. 

 

 

i dont hate this response from Sooh fwiw.

 

I like the tone of it I still have concerns but ya not too bad imo.

 

Zander I need you to somehow confirm or condemn yourself to me in one post

 

So can you please do me a huge favor and just make one list of your current reads of the thread on everyone all at once?

 

Ily bro I don't want to lynch you if you're not a wolf

 

I wanted to try an reread if possible after I get caught up.

 

Couple sections Ive seen commented on I dont fully recall like the Dice/Believer thing.

 

I will give you one off the top of head once Im caught up if youd like?

 

Yes pls <3

[Guest]

To your post #1006

 

1 - I've explained why I put you in scum teams. I build connections. Doesn't mean you're the scum of the three at that point in time. If you'll notice you'll see that I had Tiink and Darthe as my top scum at that point in time. I literally added you there because of your interaction - for me to go back to if either of them flipped scum.

 

2 - I understand what you're saying but this post is also the source of this conflict. You said "i think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me". 

I read this as a) i have no idea how to read you

which means that b) i'm obviously reading you

and if you say i've no idea how to, then that means c) i'm reading you wrong

which means that d) you know what i'm reading you.

 

Does that make sense? In my mind you didn't know d. so you didn't know c. so you didn't know b or a. That was my problem with the statement, and why i didn't like it.

 

 

 

I have not "fabricated" any reads. I was reading you as more town than scum until you freaked out about this. 

Does my explanation make sense to you now or is there something else I have to clarify for you?

[monstrman]

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

 

For now [v]Calder[/v].

 

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

 

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

 

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

 

 

HOW IS BEING IN THE LOWEST THREE ON YOUR LIST MORE TOWN THAN SCUM

[Guest]

You sussed me, then tried to play it off like you were still townreading me, then sussed me again.

 

You're not a villager.

 

If I was scum I would definitely not have just moved you slightly down the list. All that trouble for just a slight change? I think not. 

 

You've never seen me in my wolf game but I don't do things half-arsed.

[monstrman]

To your post #1006

 

1 - I've explained why I put you in scum teams. I build connections. Doesn't mean you're the scum of the three at that point in time. If you'll notice you'll see that I had Tiink and Darthe as my top scum at that point in time. I literally added you there because of your interaction - for me to go back to if either of them flipped scum.

 

2 - I understand what you're saying but this post is also the source of this conflict. You said "i think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me". 

I read this as a) i have no idea how to read you

which means that b) i'm obviously reading you

and if you say i've no idea how to, then that means c) i'm reading you wrong

which means that d) you know what i'm reading you.

 

Does that make sense? In my mind you didn't know d. so you didn't know c. so you didn't know b or a. That was my problem with the statement, and why i didn't like it.

 

 

 

I have not "fabricated" any reads. I was reading you as more town than scum until you freaked out about this. 

Does my explanation make sense to you now or is there something else I have to clarify for you?

 

And I demonstrated that was in response to you saying "monstrman is on a wolfteam" ergo "monstrman is wolfy"

 

which I obviously reply with "you have no idea how to read me, I still think you're a villager"

 

Then you assert this implies a guilty conscience, say I'm MORE wolfy, but somehow despite ALL THAT

 

I'm more townie than wolfy

 

?????????????

[Guest]

 

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

 

For now [v]Calder[/v].

 

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

 

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

 

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

 

 

HOW IS BEING IN THE LOWEST THREE ON YOUR LIST MORE TOWN THAN SCUM

 

 

To which part are you referring? Or are you talking about yourself again?

 

If so, then 1: you are not in the lowest 3. You are the second lowest.

And 2: I said you were more town than scum BEFORE you freaked out about simple "i think this seems scummy" post.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

apparently talking to a bunch of walls

 

dunno why zander hasn't been here all day

It's a bit weird, yeah. I feel like he had some odd, almost opportunistic posts yesterday, jumping at Besie and then Believer for little things that to me seemed insignificant.

You mean opportunistic posts like say shading someone and running away for dropping vote with no raisins?

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

So vote him.

I 100% believe this post and vote alone is 100% not alignment indicative for Darthe

Look at that

 

 

You know GD well why I said that.

 

Look at the time stamp of your vote.

[monstrman]

Maybe I'm overreacting a bit, but you are not explaining yourself well if you say me being in the bottom tier of your list is "more townie than wolfy"

[monstrman]

 

 

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

 

For now [v]Calder[/v].

 

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

 

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

 

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given.

 

 

HOW IS BEING IN THE LOWEST THREE ON YOUR LIST MORE TOWN THAN SCUM

 

 

To which part are you referring? Or are you talking about yourself again?

 

If so, then 1: you are not in the lowest 3. You are the second lowest.

And 2: I said you were more town than scum BEFORE you freaked out about simple "i think this seems scummy" post.

 

 

Please, tell me where I freaked out at this post.

 

The only post I recall freaking out at was tink's post loling at me.

 

I await your response with bated breath.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

 

 

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

 

 

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up. 

 

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

 

 

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted. 

 

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

 

5. Hellian

 

 

6. Kat/Pral

 

 

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

 

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”. 

 

 

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed. 

 

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

 

 

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

 

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

 

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

 

 

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

 

13. Nolder

 

 

I may not agree with all the reads here atp.

 

I also dont like the fact he did this after being pushed for being inactive type stuff tho.  Both alignments do it tho Wolves will do it more likely more often then not.

 

If I removed the latter Id likely call this a pretty villagery post.

 

With all that said I still wanna lean slight Villa on him.

 

 

Bruh, everyone was on my ass for not doing it and I said I'd do it. Seriously what on earth. Same issue with Dice for wanting to lynch me because I acknowledged I was wrong. Just looking to peg as scum for anything. 

 

 

 

 

Zander your posts to me come off very irritated, which is not an emotion I associate at all with your town game when questioned.

 

 

Zander def a wolf here. Theres no tunnel, and no fire.

 

Does anyone think theres a chance in hell that he quotes my post where I vote him without any stated reason and he says its not wolfy??

 

Yeeeee

 

 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I'm bouncing for the night.

 

WTF is this?!?!?!?!!

[monstrman]

And yes, I am in the lowest three

 

I am in the same category as the three lowest players on your list

 

I am in the lowest three

 

By definition, this makes me more scummy than over half the game to you

[Darthe]

We have decent suspects but where did nol go?

[Guest]

 

To your post #1006

 

1 - I've explained why I put you in scum teams. I build connections. Doesn't mean you're the scum of the three at that point in time. If you'll notice you'll see that I had Tiink and Darthe as my top scum at that point in time. I literally added you there because of your interaction - for me to go back to if either of them flipped scum.

 

2 - I understand what you're saying but this post is also the source of this conflict. You said "i think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me". 

I read this as a) i have no idea how to read you

which means that b) i'm obviously reading you

and if you say i've no idea how to, then that means c) i'm reading you wrong

which means that d) you know what i'm reading you.

 

Does that make sense? In my mind you didn't know d. so you didn't know c. so you didn't know b or a. That was my problem with the statement, and why i didn't like it.

 

 

 

I have not "fabricated" any reads. I was reading you as more town than scum until you freaked out about this. 

Does my explanation make sense to you now or is there something else I have to clarify for you?

 

And I demonstrated that was in response to you saying "monstrman is on a wolfteam" ergo "monstrman is wolfy"

 

which I obviously reply with "you have no idea how to read me, I still think you're a villager"

 

Then you assert this implies a guilty conscience, say I'm MORE wolfy, but somehow despite ALL THAT

 

I'm more townie than wolfy

 

?????????????

 

 

I didn't say that first part (in blue). You assumed it. 

 

So your response that brought up this whole thing was based on an incorrect assumption, made by you.

 

To the third, yes. Your freaking out made me think that it could maybe imply a guilty conscience.

 

And to the last, you were before your assumption post, yes.

[Darthe]

And yes, I am in the lowest three

 

I am in the same category as the three lowest players on your list

 

I am in the lowest three

 

By definition, this makes me more scummy than over half the game to you

Lets see how blom gets out of this one!

 

[Believer]

[unvote]

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

Just get D1 over already.

[monstrman]

 

 

To your post #1006

 

1 - I've explained why I put you in scum teams. I build connections. Doesn't mean you're the scum of the three at that point in time. If you'll notice you'll see that I had Tiink and Darthe as my top scum at that point in time. I literally added you there because of your interaction - for me to go back to if either of them flipped scum.

 

2 - I understand what you're saying but this post is also the source of this conflict. You said "i think she's just demonstrating that she has no idea how to read me". 

I read this as a) i have no idea how to read you

which means that b) i'm obviously reading you

and if you say i've no idea how to, then that means c) i'm reading you wrong

which means that d) you know what i'm reading you.

 

Does that make sense? In my mind you didn't know d. so you didn't know c. so you didn't know b or a. That was my problem with the statement, and why i didn't like it.

 

 

 

I have not "fabricated" any reads. I was reading you as more town than scum until you freaked out about this. 

Does my explanation make sense to you now or is there something else I have to clarify for you?

 

And I demonstrated that was in response to you saying "monstrman is on a wolfteam" ergo "monstrman is wolfy"

 

which I obviously reply with "you have no idea how to read me, I still think you're a villager"

 

Then you assert this implies a guilty conscience, say I'm MORE wolfy, but somehow despite ALL THAT

 

I'm more townie than wolfy

 

?????????????

 

 

I didn't say that first part (in blue). You assumed it. 

 

So your response that brought up this whole thing was based on an incorrect assumption, made by you.

 

To the third, yes. Your freaking out made me think that it could maybe imply a guilty conscience.

 

And to the last, you were before your assumption post, yes.

 

 

LOL INCORRECT ASSUMPTION

 

You cannot LITERALLY CANNOT argue that saying someone is on a wolfteam does not imply that you think to some degree they are wolfy

 

You literally CANNOT