[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Lol that's just you being unhappy with my reply. I voted Zander based on what I thought at the time and then expressed it more concretely later. I've answered the same question a million times in the same way and you're expecting for me to answer it differently now for some random reason.

Wildfire Sedai · October 8, 2016

tiink would you be a dear and post a quote with your answers to the question. Thanks. :wub:

dyachei · October 8, 2016

looking at tiink's ISO:

There are a lot of excuses for why tiink can't be around d1. he also wasn't paying attention well (see thinking zander didn't post something that he did). There are a couple instances of scummy wording (but I admit I don't know tiinks style). Like: "So how do I get on your good side?" in response to manbat. he goes on the defensive early - especially in regards to pral thinking there's w/v in believer/tiink.

Null reads people d1 but that's not alignment indicative. he's dismissive of manbat asking questions d1.

Here's his d1 reads list:

1. Zander - Doesn’t seem too different from the town games I’ve seen from him but someone give me some scum games of his to read cause I lack experience.

2. Darthe - snarky and sassy as always. From the scum game we played I remember him taking a more logical piece by piece approach over throwing out thoughts which is what he’s doing here so I think this fits more of his town meta.

3. Dice - Always seems like scum to me but I’m getting used to it. The call out on me on page 25, notably post #488, was pretty bad for him. Seems to me he skimmed it, thought of a potentially plausible reason to call me out when I was already getting heat, and then messed up.

“I didn’t like you backing off your vote on Zander.” Lol, I voted him off wrong information what in the hell was I supposed to do? His reply #636 “backing off” was also bad. I could vote him today.

4. Monstr - A lot of talk about what town does/should do and what scum does/should do. Think he was more pissed off at the fact that I wasn’t taking him seriously which could happen in both alignments but I think it’s more likely he genuinely was trying to scum hunt and felt like his effort was being wasted.

His later posts like #533 read well to me and it’s good content.

5. Hellian

6. Kat/Pral

7. Besie - Comes off nervously. Feels like she’s crafting her posts carefully and her nervousness is almost seeping through it. Is she just a nervous player can someone confirm? Or was she trying to be seen in a certain way.

Post #385 clarifies this for me slightly but doesn’t make me comfortable with it. #476 I generally do not like this kind of reads list. I’m not here for a summary and the wording of the summary is unhelpful but unfortunately it seems like this is something that both a nervous but engaged town would do and a scum looking to “contribute”.

8. Nego - #103 Lol what is this post. I can’t tell if it’s serious and you actually town read him for this. #387 is also weird considering Nego has made plenty of his own irrelevant posts. Seems like a weird thing to point out. #449 also seems weird. #453 “will continue his catch up” except he’s already caught up? Just seems permanently disjointed.

9. Sooh - some town vibes. Not many, but they’re there. I haven’t played a game with her where she’s been scum but she seems comfortable and has claimed to “suck” at being scum. Her general posting makes her seem town to me more often than not so I’ll remain vigilante.

10. Believer - Slight town lean. I’m judging mainly from his progression between the games he’s played on DM and it seems like the trend he’s taking is one of a player adjusting to meta on a new site with new people. He’s been town in both games I’ve played with him here and has played two very different games so while it’s kind of pointless for me to consider those games individually I’m leaning town on him here because it seems he’s actively adapting to play a different type of town game since his last game was negatively received.

Town game 1 - Incredibly active and aggressive posting style

Town game 2 - Low volume, low content for D1 and punished for it after

Game 3 - While doesn’t have the energy for a repeat of game 1 realises that activity early is valued here and has already surpassed the amount of content he’d provided in game 2.

All in all.. Eh. Effort is there to get involved though.

12. Calder - #190. I think this is a scummy post. Agreeing with someone + giving some general information about how town plays is non-contributory and I’ve seen scum do this 1000 times. This is the biggest tell imo.

13. Nolder

Basically town leans sooh and hedges on besie. Lack of scumreads always give me pause. His only real one that I see is calder. mild suspicions on dice and nego

then he posts this next: "If I had to call a scum team now it'd be Calder, Dice and Nego."

he just said dice always seems like scum and is getting used to it but could vote him. Could you be any hedgier? It's basically like you saying "this player always does this and it isn't alignment indicative but I will vote there for no other reason." It's scummy as heck.

There is *a lot* of talk regarding why he isn't caught up and isn't spending as much time in the thread. IME, this is something scum do more than town, but i again, I don't know his meta.

Then he bounces to zander from his only true scum read without giving reasoning. Despite saying he doesn't think zander is different than in town games. The progression there rings false.

Mild defense by sooh later. He does finally give Zander reasoning, but it seems pretty non-specific.

he defends his switch on Zander later - I don't think the initial sentence is as ambiguous as to alignment as he thought. And if it is, that's really hedgy. also consider it wasn't in his scum team guess. So obviously Zander was decent enough to read as more village than some.

"BlomBesie and manbat are definitely not on the same team because in a game this empty they just wouldn’t put so much effort into distancing." Part of me thinks this might be TMI. Because it could have been v/v IMO.

Then claims buddying b/w besie and my slot. I'm not sure I agree or disagree there so I'm leaving that alone.

"The Calder lynch looked like bullshit though. Given that I don't understand the logic behind half the posts people are making I guess there is some plausibility to scum reading him I suppose but I don’t think he really should be scum read this game after page 30-40. Literally the only reason I can think for him to have been shot last night was for the people on his train to gain town cred. Unless he dropped a doc hint earlier there is literally no other reason to kill him but I honestly haven’t ISO’d him and checked for one." This progression seems weird because he didn't mention it before and had calder as his #1 scum read earlier. It's like a 180. I don't like that.

He likes none of manbat's posts but they seem pretty game-solving to me. So I'm not sure what's to dislike there.

"Pral what do you think about Besie/Nego w/w and Dice? Those are my top 3." well we know Dice is town, I've been investigated town.

Then there's the kill me now stuff overnight.

"As someone who's played his past 4/5 games with a hyperactive town Zander this game was not the same. Earlier on his posts were more constructed and he had some reservations that he held back and they came out later in the Day. Not sure why he felt pressured to hold some stuff back maybe it was the early game pressure but it seemed to me that his mentality was different from his posts which made me strongly question his alignment given our previous games." But didn't he say it was pretty similar in his first reads list? That's a lack of consistency.

Tiink has been casting shade at my slot basically all game for being "UTR"

and the "NK me please" and expecting it D2/N2. Like seriously why would anyone kill tiink?

I feel like tiink is more active discussing mechanics, stats, and definitions than with trying to solve the game but that might just be my perception.

He votes nolder but that's NAI since it's good for both sides to vote there. He doesn't provide very good cases IMO. There is something of a case on besie. He brings up wifi but i don't see a case and I find that to be less than ideal.

And that's basically the ISO.

dyachei · October 8, 2016

Besie is next, but we're having bad luck with internet in my area from the recent storms.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

I'm having a hard time replying to that because of the way the quotes are done but in regards to why I was dismissive of manbat's posts are because while you considered them "game-solving" I didn't think that they were particularly useful posts in terms of actually catching scum. I can't go back and read them right now but IIRC they were like throwing out posts at random and hoping one of them sticks and then seemingly tunnelling harder on some aspects than others without much good reason. Imo the questions didn't really get us anywhere and the largest reason he is being town-read is because of a lot of expressive posts detailing his desire to win (via catching scum).

Dice is someone I'll always have problem reading but I disagreed with what he did D1 which was criticize me for backing off when the alternative was to continue to push it/say nothing about it which imo were scummier things to do. He continued to push it and it seemed thoughtless to me and that was my reason for scum reading him. You've got me labeled as active D1 but I wasn't in the game and I said that. I was able to respond to a bunch of posts about things that were going on at the time (mainly defending myself) but I wasn't commenting on people's game stances until after I gave my reads list. That is not my meta, I just was legitimately busy and I wasn't going to work on reads while I was in lecture but I was happy to talk about ongoing events that required little work the same way I'll reply to texts in class. But I wasn't going to go and investigate something.

The progression on Zander wasn't false. I said he doesn't seem different which is not me implying that he's town because I've never played a scum game with him. It's just that I hadn't got much of a read. After this I voted him cause I wanted my opinion stated and I gave my clarification later when I had time to give something constructed after.

"As someone who's played his past 4/5 games with a hyperactive town Zander this game was not the same. Earlier on his posts were more constructed and he had some reservations that he held back and they came out later in the Day. Not sure why he felt pressured to hold some stuff back maybe it was the early game pressure but it seemed to me that his mentality was different from his posts which made me strongly question his alignment given our previous games." But didn't he say it was pretty similar in his first reads list? That's a lack of consistency.

It really isn't as lacking in consistency as you claim. My first reads list was after 30 pages I don't know why you don't think that reads list could've changed without me voicing my every opinion in the thread. He was null and then as more pressure piled on him he was definitely being more accommodating for other people's opinions than I've seen him be. Even his posting style seemed different and not the rapidly hashed out disjointed thought trains he usually puts out (which to his credit do massively take the game forward. There's a method to his madness). That wasn't present at the time and it started being present later.

Lol the NK me is ALSO A JOKE. it's like when someone says something ridiculous to you and you just want to kill yourself so you can get it over with. I was relying on scum to kill me just to spare me the continuous headache.

As for me casting shade at you "all game" I think I brought it up when I was considering your relation to Besie this game and it's not been brought up for a while. Hell, you could even say it was justified and Nego himself was saying his presence was lacking and it was hardly being acknowledged.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Typo:

Hell, you could even say it was fully justified as Nego himself*

dyachei · October 8, 2016

It was a joke that you brought up multiple times, tiink.

And most people do show their thought progressions on thread. Which is why I commented on it. You wanted my case on you, I gave it.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Yeah because I was losing my mind. I wasn't expecting to be the NK at all.

Are you satisfied with my response? It's a lot of reiteration of what's already been said but I'm trying to write it out in a way that displays my thought process as cleanly as possible.

dyachei · October 8, 2016

I'm more satisfied than I was this morning. But you're not out of my POE by any means. I'm finishing the ISO on besie first though

Wildfire Sedai · October 8, 2016

"That wasn't present at the time and it started being present later." then why did you vote him (zander) if you noticed that he was starting to act like "normal" zander and that maybe he, like you, was off kilter due to previous engagements?

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

Well, that's something. I'm leaving in an hour and won't be back til morning likely.

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

"That wasn't present at the time and it started being present later." then why did you vote him (zander) if you noticed that he was starting to act like "normal" zander and that maybe he, like you, was off kilter due to previous engagements?

As I said before it was way too late. If you go back and reread it then you can see it in hindsight. At the time there was no way that his transition from having unZanderlike consideration to the explosive and uncontrallable Hammy from Over the Hedge was going to deter anyone including myself who thought he was scum. At the time it just seemed like grasping at anything which I think was an easy interpretation to make especially since I wasn't following a lot of his posts.

Wildfire Sedai · October 8, 2016

That means you still have an hour to answer my question. Besides saying, "that's something."

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

That means you still have an hour to answer my question. Besides saying, "that's something."

Alright snarkypants, that wasn't in response to you. And I answered your post.

Wildfire Sedai · October 8, 2016

When I read it, I did not know that zander was town at first. I was reading it straight through. The flip had occurred a couple pages before I subbed in and people had stopped talking about zander. I also wasn't keeping up with the group until I think pg 96/97. Anyways, my point is, I thought zander scummy at first too as noticed in my catch ups. However, I then found him to be townie when tarmon gaidon ended and he put his full attention to this game.

Wildfire Sedai · October 8, 2016

Yes you did. You ninja'd me and I am sorry....should have said sorry after I noticed that you ninja'd me. :dry:

dyachei · October 8, 2016

Besie's ISO

Some fluff posting early D1 - this is NAI (all of her first ISO page)

"Yes. To me most people do think it's alignment indicative - since I love wolfin'.

I was excited to rand town this time. I've only had very few town games so it's a challenge - but I followed along to Tarmon Gaidon up to now, and think I'm starting to get it. I'm excited." Not a huge fan of this TBH.

First reads are pretty weak but I find myself agreeing that Monstr is trying to gamesolve.

This pinged me:

"I'm not looking for any opportunities, Darthe.

I was sharing my thoughts. Plus, it's not opportunities if I say he's slight town, is it? Do you assume that I would say that about my teammate if I were scum?

Plus, it's not a hammer game. Or did I read that wrong? I see no reason to find any opportunities at all right now. There's no need." And I'm not sure why

By page 3 of her ISO there's still very little content.

the liking town over mafia thing feels kind of forced and fake.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98853-basic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-curse-of-the-black-pearl-game-thread-d2/page-22?do=findComment&comment=3712752

On that post is her first real reads list. Of note: reads zander and sooh as town. tiink is slight scum.

The next post she says: "Tiink/Calder/Darthe" as the probable scumteam. She did scumread tiink, most of what she commented on for daarthe was null except 1 slightly scummy thing. Seems a little premature to put him as one of the scummiest at that point. Did similar with calder.

There are a couple of reads in between but they aren't very in depth after the first set. But pretty consistently townreads sooh, at least d1. Page 5 of her ISO is pretty decent but it really feels like she's reiterating everything. It seems weird to me that no reads have really progressed.

"

I'm tired so going to bed but i'm wtl Calder, Darthe, Nolder.

For now Vote: Calder.

I gave several reasons in the past posts.

Never lynching Nego.

Slight town Zander/Sooh/Believer/Pral

Slight scum Monstrman/Tiink/Dice

Of these the biggest change is Monstrman. Most reasons are given."

Actually there are a lot of changes there. And some of the reasoning seems weak.

I really don't get the case on monstr. There is only the mildest of questions thrown at sooh.

ok this is shady af: "Mmm you're not the first that has doubts about nego. I think i'll look at him again too over the night." She previously had nego on the never lynch list. So what the heck? It's fine to reread and rethink things, but the progression is not there.

"

* I currently have Darthe as my strongest town lean. From mid D1 he's been acting towny to me, and the end D1 events set it in stone.

He refused to vote Calder. He changed his vote from Zander to Nolder in an attempt to get a Nolder train going, and thus to get the train off Calder. He was on Nolder for long enough to see whether the train took off and then went back to voting Zander, as that was the only other train that could save Calder. This is town indicative imo.

* Not too different from Darthe, Dice refused to vote Zander. Dice was willing to follow Darthe's vote on Nolder, as it would remove the train on Zander. He switched back to Calder to save Zander. Town indicative, imo.

* It is worth noting that I was on Calder for the same reason. I wasn't willing to vote Zander, and Calder was the next highest train. I had both Calder and Nolder as possible scum at that point in time. I also missed the seconds/short minutes in which the Nolder train could've developed so I never switched to Nolder.

* In comparison to the above three, I don't completely understand Monstrman's votes. He was wtl all three. He followed along to Nolder when that was a possibility but switched back before it could become a proper train. And it just went this or that or this or that further. It feels like he didn't mind which of either Zander of Calder died.

When just looking at end D1, I'm going to Vote: Monstrman.

I still want to see what Wildfire comes up with and what some others say.

Monstrman, did you have both Zander and Calder as strong scum candidates?"

She was literally scummreading daarthe most of d1 and now saying his d1 was towny?? :blink:

"In summary I think there's at least one scum in

Sooh/Tiink/Monstr/Pral/Wildfire/Believer

I'm not wtl Darthe, Dice, Nolder or Nego D2."

Wait...wasn't she willing to lynch nego a couple posts ago still? And where is the progression on sooh?

the rest of her ISO reads similarly.

After going through this, I think I want to lynch Besie today

dyachei · October 8, 2016

And if besie is scum, tiink isn't IMO

Nynaeve · October 8, 2016

Official Vote count

Besie (2): Tiinker, monstr

Tiinker (1): Besie

Not voting (3): Wifi, Pral, dyachei

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

monstrman · October 8, 2016

Well if tiink besie and I were all villagers the game would be over so

Not possible

monstrman · October 8, 2016

One of besie/tiink if not both is lock wolf

monstrman · October 8, 2016

Unless Pral owned me

Tiinker · October 8, 2016

One of besie/tiink if not both is lock wolf

I missed your case on me and Besie being w/w. It sounds ridiculous to me.

Nynaeve · October 9, 2016

Official Vote count

Besie (2): Tiinker, monstr

Tiinker (1): Besie

Not voting (3): Wifi, Pral, dyachei

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline:

monstrman · October 9, 2016

I'll figure out if pral is owning me tomorrow as long as besie is right like I think it is

[Basic] Pirates of the Caribbean (Curse of the Black Pearl) Game Thread - D2

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