Grim Frostbitten Scumlust -- MAFIA WINS

[alannalynn]

Except I don't know if her using the words self pres are natural to her. 

This was my exact issue.

[Darthe]

Im all for stringing her up today but this ones bugging me. Shes been on the chopping block constantly in every game ever, and sooh there are times when you said to me that I cant base my wifi reads on her knowing how to play, but isnt that the exact logic you two are using to justify your read?

 

You have a hundred other, actually valid reasons to do so and thats what you're going with?

[Sooh]

One thing Pral, your thoughts on me have been pretty much the same throughout the game. You wavered a little bit yesterday when you thought I had said something towny. It just seems like lack of progression. 

 

Like, what's the basis of your thoughts about me? I don't think there has been a game where I was scum and did anything like I've done in this game. It's just strange to me that you come to that conclusion with everything that has happened. 

[Sooh]

Im all for stringing her up today but this ones bugging me. Shes been on the chopping block constantly in every game ever, and sooh there are times when you said to me that I cant base my wifi reads on her knowing how to play, but isnt that the exact logic you two are using to justify your read?

 

You have a hundred other, actually valid reasons to do so and thats what you're going with?

Not sure I'm following you with all this, but Wifi doesn't have a ton of meta on people, or even on how mafia games are usually played. Things we see as towny she sees as scummy and vice versa. 

Recently she has been reading one of the guide threads to mafia here on DM, and I don't know if that's where she has picked up on language like "self pres", or if somebody is telling her that that's what she was doing in a scum chat. 

[Darthe]

Just kinda seems like a null factor for two players to zone in on compared to the entire game she has played.

[Darthe]

I hate this game

[Pralaya]

Alright, so here i what I am reading and I am sure I am correct here
 

[v] alanna [/v]

 
 

 

[v] alanna [/v]

And this is why Wifi isn't scum.

 

 
 

[v] dice [/v] cfd

These posts happened within minutes of each other. This started out the dice train that eventually pushed the lynch from Wifi to Dice.

I don't see this sequence of event happening unless Darthe and sooh are scum together. Try to town clear wifi because of her vote and then move on to another townie train. This is clearly co-ordinated.

[Pralaya]

I think I've got a pretty good idea where my head is atm.  Kinda nice to be in a slower game, I think I'm more functional.[/background][/font]

 

 

666. Pralaya

666. Hallia (Can fool me, this could move easily)]

666. Sooh

 

666. Corny (Cory + Nyn)(I hate you both for making your way here on my list atm, like Hally this one can change with a weird post or argument)

666. Katiora

 

666. Tiinker

666. Alanna

666. Crusher

 

666. Graendals favourite

666. NotBob

666. Dice

666. Lenlo

 

I just went back and found out that GF and NB are even in this game.  I had no idea, but WTL already.  

 

This is Darthe's read list D1. If we assume sooh is town, there is no way Darthe has the top 6 reads as town. Even Cory does not do that. I made a point as to how Darthe didn't even have a SINGLE suspicion on sooh throughout the game - not even a slight aspect.

 

Sooh has Darthe as town roght from D1 and has not changed her reads on him. And, the same comment above holds for sooh on Darthe

[Pralaya]

I knew most of stuff....just the beginning about people getting under skin I needed to hear and some of the definitions.....

 

WiFi even if you don't have a reads list, can you give some impressions on players? Do you have any top towns/wolves you wanna mention just so we can see where you stand?

 

So what your basically asking for is a reads list just not in reads format?!  So I might as well give you the reads list that I don't really have much on, there will be NO reasons as I can't remember half of what I read, just going on some gut reads.  Oh and I renumbered the list as I am a Christian and don't like the 3 six numbers.  

 

 

1. Darthe - null - slight scummy - completely opposite to consensus

2. Tiinker - Famine, Vanilla Town - Lynched D1

3. Hallia - null - slight townie - consensus

4. Alanna - null 

5. Pralaya - null 

5. Crusher - null

6. Katiora - null

7. Lenlo - null - slight scummy - consensus

8. Corny (Cory + Nyn) - Fenriz, Vanilla Town - Killed N1

9.  Wifi - TOWN QUEENIE

10. NotBob - null 

11. Sooh - null - slight townie - i didn't read her town but otherwise consensus at the time

12. Dice - null - slight townie - consensus at the time

 

 

This is Wifi's first reads when she replaced GF in the game. Bold Red is my addition. Look at all her non-null reads

 

Except for her Darthe read, everything else was consensus. She just picked what everyone felt and put it there. Only one different was Darthe. Classic case of distancing. 

[Darthe]

Are you really going to try to sell that I'm a wolf? Really?

 

Lets even say youre right, the only way that makes sense able is if wild is my teammate cause why else would we do the cfd? It certainly wasnt that dice went mega wolf and I cased him for two days or anything. Definitely not that, or his one page flip on me.

 

But even if that is all true, im gunning for literally nobody except wifi. How do you reconcile that laya?

[Sooh]

Just kinda seems like a null factor for two players to zone in on compared to the entire game she has played.

So many times though it's the little things that matter. 

[Pralaya]

One thing Pral, your thoughts on me have been pretty much the same throughout the game. You wavered a little bit yesterday when you thought I had said something towny. It just seems like lack of progression. 

 

Like, what's the basis of your thoughts about me? I don't think there has been a game where I was scum and did anything like I've done in this game. It's just strange to me that you come to that conclusion with everything that has happened. 

 

Wrong. I have tried to see you townie but you always do something or the other scummy at the end of the day.

 

Like D2, when you suddenly switched to wifi even though you were suspicious of Lenlo.

 

And, when you lynched dice yesterday.

 

I don't see you doing townie things this game. Alanna, I can still sense her. But, not you at all.

[Darthe]

Laya if you throw this game im going to be so mad, I see two townies bickering and one complicating what should be a fairly easy decision at this moment, but we need EVERY townie together to win this thing.

[Sooh]

D2 I wanted to let people know that nothing Wifi posted that day made me believe she was town, so I voted her. 

 

I lynched Dice yesterday because I thought he was scummy.

[Darthe]

I hate this game

[Pralaya]

Look at how Sooh's read on wifi changes during the game

 

On D2,  these were her thoughts (just cutting the relevant parts)

 

I have a pretty good history of figuring out Wifi, so just let her do her thing for a little while and I'll let you know. 

 

I will also let you know if I don't know for certain, at which point you can lynch her.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

 

Also willing to vote Wifi and Crusher.

 

 

Crusher is prepping for me to flip town it feels so slimy

 

Sooh why do you want to lynch Wifi so bad when she just subbed in and had to read like 60 pages to catch up?

I don't want to lynch her "so bad". I just like her better as an option than the current trains.

"better option" she hasn't even posted a full reads list. I'm not saying never lynch her, but give her a day to settle in.

 

Do you REALLY think this is Wifi's scum meta? As far as I know, she's never been actual scum before.

It's not the town meta I've come to know.

 

Yeah.

 

Yeah I do.

 

Running commentary has always been a sign of someone being mafia. Usually there would be a Wifi thing in there where she has a theory that I can clear her on. There isn't this time.

 

[v]Wildfire[/v]

 

And many more.

 

She talks about how wifi does not have town meta at all this game.

 

And, when D3 starts, it suddenly changed to that she is posting as normal. 

 

Nb was scaring me from that wagon but [v] wild [/v] I just cant.

what about that post makes you think she's scum?

 

She just said she is voting because omgus, and went out of her way to define omgus. I cant see a world where thats town.

omg it's Wifi! It's like, get used to it lol.

 

Nb was scaring me from that wagon but [v] wild [/v] I just cant.

what about that post makes you think she's scum?

 

NotBob why WiFi

 

 

Also: Seer has 3 peeks right now, I wouldn't mind a reveal if it'll help us

 

Mainly GF but also the fact that Sooh thinks she's scum as well.  Thought I'd a gambit to get people to commit.  Looks like scum does not want her lynched.  Hence, few people went that way.  So I'm still strong on WiFi as scum.

If you've read today you've seen that I've changed my mind. Well, kind of. I'm on the fence, but leaning more town now.

 

The change was abrubt and she had wifi as her scum read only when Lenlo was a definite lynch that day .

[Pralaya]

Wifi, Darthe, Sooh - that is the scum team this game.

 

Alanna, do me a favour and read Darthe/Sooh/Wifi interactions and tell me what you think.

 

Same goes for notbob/crusher. 

[Pralaya]

Are you really going to try to sell that I'm a wolf? Really?

 

Lets even say youre right, the only way that makes sense able is if wild is my teammate cause why else would we do the cfd? It certainly wasnt that dice went mega wolf and I cased him for two days or anything. Definitely not that, or his one page flip on me.

 

But even if that is all true, im gunning for literally nobody except wifi. How do you reconcile that laya?

 

 

All you need is one mislynch. Even if wifi is lynched today, it is easy to get a mislynch tomorrow.

[Darthe]

*sigh* I'm not a wolf. I am wtl sooh. Would you like to do that, laya?

[Darthe]

Not sooh, sorry, wifi

[Darthe]

 

Are you really going to try to sell that I'm a wolf? Really?

Lets even say youre right, the only way that makes sense able is if wild is my teammate cause why else would we do the cfd? It certainly wasnt that dice went mega wolf and I cased him for two days or anything. Definitely not that, or his one page flip on me.

But even if that is all true, im gunning for literally nobody except wifi. How do you reconcile that laya?

 

 

 

All you need is one mislynch. Even if wifi is lynched today, it is easy to get a mislynch tomorrow.

Currently I could say the same of you. *I* am a mislynch and thats dead obvious

[Pralaya]

D2 I wanted to let people know that nothing Wifi posted that day made me believe she was town, so I voted her. 

 

I lynched Dice yesterday because I thought he was scummy.

 

He was not and didn't look scummy at all. That is the whole point

[Pralaya]

*sigh* I'm not a wolf. I am wtl sooh. Would you like to do that, laya?

 

 

Not sooh, sorry, wifi

Either work out fine, lol.

[Darthe]

He really was and he truly did. Jesus, we arent even arguing about the game any more, we are arguing your opinion of a dead player who was pushed most of the game. You certainly didnt have any issue with the pushes made on him before.

[Sooh]

Are you not reading my reasoning?

 

I explained every single time I waffled on her read WHY I did it.