[Basic] Disney Heroes vs. Villains Mafia C9++ Town Wins

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@Dice - yeah, I know that you'll forever refer to that game where Tommy claimed scum and was actually scum. I think the action itself is null at best and by now I think WiFi should know that.

 

For starters you can lose the snark.

 

the point of the post is that  we should not just discount it.

 

re Darthes comment  it seemed pretty obvious he was joking but wifi regularly misses jokes so that came out as normal for her imo

 

This is not how Dice talks to scum team mates.

 

At least it wasn't in Dragon Reborn. JC's blurry because I wasn't sussing him for a lot of it and didn't know his alignment until the end.

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Yeah it's hard for me to read that post and think Dice/AJ can be w/w.

[Zander?]

Good evening folks

[Zander?]

 

 

 

By the way, tomorrow might not be a bad time for a mass claim. Something worth considering at least depending on what the night brings.

I don't know what good that'll do. All the scum will just claim vt

Only advantage I can see is that it might lead us to an idea which setup we're looking at and how many scums are left.

More likely to just put town prs we may have

 

 

it would also help narrow down the pool of suspects some at least imo.

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Ok I've read enough, scratching Dice off the list of possible 3rd wolves and moving on.

[Zander?]

 

 

Literally everyone was Mafia in that game.

 

And the other the was Darthe's game where everyone was either Mafia/SK and I was just a lowly Jester/Survivor

 

More seriously though - based on that one game that you're bringing up - are you saying that my nonchalant attitude is a scum tell?

 

fwiw Penny does these things as Town....

 

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Make terrible and uninformed meta reads?

 

 

Would AJ say this to a partner?

 

 

@Andrej No, i'm not telling you it's a scum tell but it is something to watch more of.

 

k.

 

Again, I can tell you for a fact regardless of my alignment that a bunch of crap policy votes because I'm on a ridiculous scum rand streak aren't going to rattle me.

 

 

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Lenlo I'm gonna town read you based on pure soul reads.

 

wtf is this???

 

 

 

[v]Tiink[/v]

 

Of the three that wagoned me for BS policy lynch reasons, Tiink had the least reason to considering the context.

 

He gets grilled first.

 

Sure it's not because you now know what a devious wolf he is?

 

As far as what you're talking about, Tiink was a glorious wolf and awesome teammate

 

But in this situation, unless he was testing Lenlo (which he may have been) he has no reason to join the PL train on me because of my scum streak. He was involved in one game of that series.

 

 

lolololololol

[Lenlo]

Dice is a suspect for 3rd party for me. For wolves, I wanna go back and look at who else was like "AJ def isnt SK, but he also isnt town, so lets Lenlo because he looks bad!"

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I want to hear everything you've got because your inactivity has sort of left you at the bottom of the POE.

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Literally everyone was Mafia in that game.

 

And the other the was Darthe's game where everyone was either Mafia/SK and I was just a lowly Jester/Survivor

 

More seriously though - based on that one game that you're bringing up - are you saying that my nonchalant attitude is a scum tell?

 

fwiw Penny does these things as Town....

 

sadface.gif.

 

 

Make terrible and uninformed meta reads?

 

 

Would AJ say this to a partner?

 

I think it's a good look for Penny.

[Zander?]

 

Where's AJ at?

AJ is finding himself increasingly interested in other things than trying to read dozens of pages every time he checks DM.

 

I thought the point of the hydras were to compensate for people's lack of playing time? Not double their post count for the same slot. Seriously, 4/6 top posters split two slots. Zander has over 250 posts and I don't even need to read half of them to know the majority is I trimmed quote strings and rhetorical questions that have already been answered but are asked anyway because he's incapable of doing a coherent summarization of the thread.

 

I have no idea why Sili is the lead wagon. I haven't read anything thoroughly since I last posted last night and tbh I probably won't be spending my evening tonight doing so. I am sticking to my guns with Belieber. I don't really care what sort of thread presence he has/effort he is applying questionable logic is questionable logic and his case on Celeste was terribly subjective and implies a ton of bad motive when none is readily present. In more simple terms he was reaching hard and doubled down on a bad case and that was the majority of his content when I was last caught up. Another point is that up to then Celeste hardly countered him and instead went after Darthe. Too early to really call anything solid on that but it doesn't look good for either B or Celeste imo.

 

 

Why comment on SIli in this spot?

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

You're welcome village

 

 

Hm maybe it's actually Cass.

 

Lack of critical thinking?

 

Now Lenlo's a Wolf???

 

Is given 0 reasons for any of his Lenlo reads.

 

Im not sure if hes spewing or bussing but it was certainly his intent to create WIFoM on Lenlo once he claimed SK.

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It's WIFOM so it's not really useful imo.

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lol @ complaints about us both being too active as a hydra.

 

Sure we're the top two posters, but there aren't even 600 between us yet.

[Zander?]

Zander

  333 Shad_ 252 Believer 239 Sili Quirrels 179 Sooh 164 Hallia 158 Nynaeve 143 dicetosser1 95 Andrej 80 Celeste 79 Cass 75 Wildfire Sedai 70 Katiora 68 Lenlo 66 Darthe 65

 

According to the CCSoHW's, who is the Wolf in the bottom posters?

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I don't think anyone's particularly out of line with their norm except Lenlo and Darthe. Lenlo's thoroughly capable of high volume as a wolf and Darthe requested a hydra pre-rand so I don't want to read into the post count.

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More seriously though, I can already tell this game is gonna be a busy one. Which will be a nice change of pace considering my last two that were slower.

 

Gun to my head I'm gonna say that Belieber is probably town. Jokes and sarcasm aside, I don't think a complete newbie to a forum makes waves like he does. I think Zander had the correct interpretation in thinking that's he's more generating content/trying to fish for reactions than legitimately scum reading players.

 

For those who will understand, think Ocicat on JN. I don't see a new player coming here and telling the home team what's what.

AJ was running on fumes pretty much from the get-go and I really don't think he'd chuck out a town read on a team mate like this when the easier play is to make a correct and intelligent read on a villager. He also switched from Tiink to Believer when pressure on Believer started to grow, and sort of lazily stayed there. Iirc Tiink spewed Believer villa a bit too? Pretty sure he's safe to scratch off the wolf suspect list.

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Kat is the new founding member of the AJ fan club. I agree that I'll wait for her to do some other things, but she should probably learn that parking a policy vote on me gives me an easy excuse to push her when I'm scum. It worked for me last game

haha, this reads so awkward in retrospect

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Lenlo could be a villager too.

 

Yay @ useless intro phase reads.

 

I agree.

 

I thought this was weird when it happened, but it's too simple to base a read one way or another on. Maybe worth noting that AJ's been singling Lenlo out in odd ways from the get-go?

[Lenlo]

I want to hear everything you've got because your inactivity has sort of left you at the bottom of the POE.

You act like I have alot. Do you think I have some big cases stored in my back pocket? Im running entirely off of what I see as I read, off the cuff, gut, what my heart thinks reads. I can get you a sorted list, but thats really it

 

I don't think anyone's particularly out of line with their norm except Lenlo and Darthe. Lenlo's thoroughly capable of high volume as a wolf and Darthe requested a hydra pre-rand so I don't want to read into the post count.

I feel like im capable of both high and low volume, regardless of alignment, so post count isnt really indicative for me. I really dont know what my scum/town tells are *shrug*.

[Zander?]

 

 

Lenlo could be a villager too.

 

Yay @ useless intro phase reads.

 

I agree.

 

I thought this was weird when it happened, but it's too simple to base a read one way or another on. Maybe worth noting that AJ's been singling Lenlo out in odd ways from the get-go?

 

 

 

 

 

Lenlo I'm gonna town read you based on pure soul reads.

 

wtf is this???

 

 

 

 

 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

You're welcome village

 

 

Hm maybe it's actually Cass.

 

Lack of critical thinking?

 

Now Lenlo's a Wolf???

 

Is given 0 reasons for any of his Lenlo reads.

 

Im not sure if hes spewing or bussing but it was certainly his intent to create WIFoM on Lenlo once he claimed SK.

 

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I want to hear everything you've got because your inactivity has sort of left you at the bottom of the POE.

You act like I have alot. Do you think I have some big cases stored in my back pocket? Im running entirely off of what I see as I read, off the cuff, gut, what my heart thinks reads. I can get you a sorted list, but thats really it

 

I don't think anyone's particularly out of line with their norm except Lenlo and Darthe. Lenlo's thoroughly capable of high volume as a wolf and Darthe requested a hydra pre-rand so I don't want to read into the post count.

I feel like im capable of both high and low volume, regardless of alignment, so post count isnt really indicative for me. I really dont know what my scum/town tells are *shrug*.

 

I don't know what your scum/town tells are either tbh. I've read you incorrectly many times. But POE exists for a reason and when other players are being villagery the guy who's done nothing will inevitably become a lynch candidate.

 

And I mean, I recognize you're busy, but you've been on for RT chat at least. In JC you drug your feet to drop out of RT and dig in for a bit, but you eventually did it and you ended up catching scum!Lily. Here you've been around to argue with a self-claimed non-villager; you've been around to debate some mechanics with me. These aren't really useful activities. Do you understand why it makes me wary that you haven't shown much interest at this point?

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I should start a fan club.

I'm pretty sure the only games I have played with you are when your mafia. The nonchalant attitude is noticed...

 

This was kind of weird/random.

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Even if you shoot someone and they flip town, resulting in 3 town deaths tonight, that still leaves us worse case at 1 town, 1 3rd party, 1 wolf on D4 right? So I dont see how tomorrow is LyLo. At worst, its the day before LyLo

you don't think 1 town and 1 sk and 1 wolf is bad?

 

maybe you're the sk after all.

 

Thats not... what this says?

 

afaict we have one day most of the time, even if the vig holsters.

 

5 town and 2 not town means possibly 2 town after a mislynch which equates to our loss.

Except those 2 not town are not on the same team. Its more 2|1|1, which means no one has parity, which means a lynch still happens.

 

 

 

If it ends as 1|1|1, then the townie becomes the Kingmaker. They lynch SK, wolves win, they lynch wolves SK wins, if the townie gets lynched, SK and wolves shoot each other (Assuming SK doesnt have a vest or some crap).

 

Sooooo... yeah. If Shad doesnt shoot tonight, or shoots and hits non-town, tomorrow isnt even close to LyLo.

afaik you were trying to argue that it wasn't lylo. it's only not lylo if you're a wolf or third party.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

What is hard to understand about this?

 

We begin N2 7:1:1

 

SK and wolf both kill a separate villager, D3 starts 5:1:1

 

We lynch a villager, N3 begins 4:1:1

 

SK and wolf both kill a separate villager, D4 starts 2:1:1

 

2:1:1 means town has already lost.

 

A shot could get blocked. Wolf and SK could hit the same target. There are things that can happen to prevent this scenario, but they're out of the collective village's hands.

Town doesnt lost at 2:1:1 though? No one has parity. What if wolf and SK shoot each other? Your acting like 2:1:1 is parity when its not. Theres also the odds that SK and Wolf shoot one or the other during either of these nights. Your looking at, quite literally, the worst possible scenario. I appreciate the pessimism, I really do, but I dont think going into tomorrow with that attitude is good.

 

i'm seriously like wtf lol.

 

2:1:1 is a loss for town len.

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I just need to see more from Penny. She started strong but kind of trailed off.

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Going to take off and pick this up tomorrow if I'm alive. Biggest concern right now is Lenlo but if I live I plan to finish rereading everyone.