[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Sili Quirrels]

i thought her trying to tunnel you and backing off when it got too irritating was a little cute. perhaps also villagery.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:38 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:37 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:33 AM, Clovdyx said:

Well, you're probably my best bet for mafia at this point, so...thanks?

Huh?

 

That didn't come across at all. I tried to read your posts too, but barely saw my name.

 

It wasn't dirt on Seph anyway. Seems like possible confirmation bias.

 

Can someone enlighten me on something while I'm catching up? What was Sili like when he was SK?

 

a goat.

[BFG]

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:21 AM, Zander said:

 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 1:15 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:04 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway

 

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

 

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

 

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

 

Zander and I argue a lot as town

 

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

 

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

 

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

 

Can't remember the rest right now

 

TLDR: /eh???

 

What do you disagree with irt Tina?

 

Disagreeing or making comments doesnt necessarily make me think your Scummy does it?

 

I think you should know this 100% not the case.

 

No Meta wanna see how she progresses on me.  Should help me figure her out.

 

Eh is not a read?  Unless it means Null.

 

What is your actually read on me?

 

Gun to head I'd say you were town, but I'm still thrown from our argument earlier :/

 

(and yes eh meant null)

 

The issue isn't disagreeing or the comments, it's how hard it felt to resolve them, how much you danced around making your point and I'm still not entirely comfortable with it - but I think it's as resolved as it ever will be

 

I sort of want to wait for Dice to answer but I'm falling asleep and can't wait. Niniel always strikes me as being a very 'clean' mafia. From what I recall of GB there were no unexplained reads or votes at any point. I think her mafia game in general is characterised by 'clean' play while as town she's less conscious of how she looks. So far her game reminds me more of the latter unselfconscious, but I can't say that she wouldn't make these posts as struggling mafia (GB was a much slower game).

 

The Kat thing was a mistake as either alignment, I've stated my concern (being that she doesn't usually use much meta (I think), but is she more likely to make this mistake as town or mafia? She certainly wouldn't make the mistake on purpose.

 

Nin/Kat never m/m because I'm pretty confident that Nin wouldn't randomly mafia read Kat that way unnecessarily

 

 

 

WORD

 

I called her out D1 in GB.  She sheeped and voted me and wouldnt adjust her read on me.  So she's already 2/3 of the way to repeating herself.. I find as Town shes also willing to go against the grain.  Both games I got some suss and she jumped on.  I see a pattern here so I disagree with your assessment of her atp.

 

You ma6 be right on the last.

 

Ok, I missed most of Day 1 cos of work stuff. I do vaguely recall the point now though. I agree that as town she's willing to go against the grain and she hasn't done that here (outside of the Kat read).

 

But Just stuff like the 'sheep BFG' stuff, everyone knows how bad that sounds in a vacuum and I think most mafia players would avoid saying something like that out right, even if they might action it (so to speak). Likewise the 'bad meta' thing with Kat, I don't see mafia!Niniel doing it on purpose, but if a mistake is null.

 

Will keep an eye on read 'development' though

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:40 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:21 AM, Zander said:

 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 1:15 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:04 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway

 

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

 

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

 

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

 

Zander and I argue a lot as town

 

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

 

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

 

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

 

Can't remember the rest right now

 

TLDR: /eh???

 

What do you disagree with irt Tina?

 

Disagreeing or making comments doesnt necessarily make me think your Scummy does it?

 

I think you should know this 100% not the case.

 

No Meta wanna see how she progresses on me.  Should help me figure her out.

 

Eh is not a read?  Unless it means Null.

 

What is your actually read on me?

 

Gun to head I'd say you were town, but I'm still thrown from our argument earlier :/

 

(and yes eh meant null)

 

The issue isn't disagreeing or the comments, it's how hard it felt to resolve them, how much you danced around making your point and I'm still not entirely comfortable with it - but I think it's as resolved as it ever will be

 

I sort of want to wait for Dice to answer but I'm falling asleep and can't wait. Niniel always strikes me as being a very 'clean' mafia. From what I recall of GB there were no unexplained reads or votes at any point. I think her mafia game in general is characterised by 'clean' play while as town she's less conscious of how she looks. So far her game reminds me more of the latter unselfconscious, but I can't say that she wouldn't make these posts as struggling mafia (GB was a much slower game).

 

The Kat thing was a mistake as either alignment, I've stated my concern (being that she doesn't usually use much meta (I think), but is she more likely to make this mistake as town or mafia? She certainly wouldn't make the mistake on purpose.

 

Nin/Kat never m/m because I'm pretty confident that Nin wouldn't randomly mafia read Kat that way unnecessarily

 

 

 

WORD

 

I called her out D1 in GB.  She sheeped and voted me and wouldnt adjust her read on me.  So she's already 2/3 of the way to repeating herself.. I find as Town shes also willing to go against the grain.  Both games I got some suss and she jumped on.  I see a pattern here so I disagree with your assessment of her atp.

 

You ma6 be right on the last.

 

Ok, I missed most of Day 1 cos of work stuff. I do vaguely recall the point now though. I agree that as town she's willing to go against the grain and she hasn't done that here (outside of the Kat read).

 

But Just stuff like the 'sheep BFG' stuff, everyone knows how bad that sounds in a vacuum and I think most mafia players would avoid saying something like that out right, even if they might action it (so to speak). Likewise the 'bad meta' thing with Kat, I don't see mafia!Niniel doing it on purpose, but if a mistake is null.

 

Will keep an eye on read 'development' though

 

 

Well that shouldnt matter if you think the Kat thing was a legit mistake right?

 

But ya watch her because I havent seen Town!Nina at all yet.

[Sili Quirrels]

Seph's read of me made sense to me.  Felt consistent with what I expect from Seph that is.

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:48 AM, dicetosser1 said:

@laine  theres something zander does that tips me off that he is scum   but it takes time for me to be sure. he did it   now i wait and see

 

only way he is on MY team is if he is town

Okay, I give up on catching up, so I'll just start here:

 

I thought you said that Zander's posting style made you think he was town.

 

(and hi! *waves*)

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/6/2016 at 11:00 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 10:56 PM, Lizabeth said:

42 pages? :(

 

Okay, catching up now *sigh*

LIZ

 

you may want to read at least half the thread in a padded room... I give you fair warning <3

 

BFG

 

and lol - well, I read almost exactly half the thread...a couple of parts wanted to make me bang my head against an unpadded wall, but then your suggestion is probably wiser

[Zander?]

LIZ PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

THOUGHTS?!?!?!?!!?

[Lizabeth]

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 10:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:42 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:21 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:58 PM, Zander said:

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:16 AM, Zander said:

LIZ PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

THOUGHTS?!?!?!?!!?

You ninjaed me! (see post above, i gave you some "love")

 

I'm catching up on the last 4 or 5 pages...I can't read another 20 pages tonight :(

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:17 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 10:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:42 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:21 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:58 PM, Zander said:

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

Low volume. low content players arent gonna skate by in my Town.

 

Ive got no problem with gut reads....but theres still gotta be a little substance to them.

 

Whats your problem with it?

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/6/2016 at 11:25 PM, Hallia said:

Hahaaa! Liz

Hiiiiiiiiii Hally

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:21 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:17 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 10:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:42 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:21 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:58 PM, Zander said:

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

Low volume. low content players arent gonna skate by in my Town.

 

Ive got no problem with gut reads....but theres still gotta be a little substance to them.

 

Whats your problem with it?

 

Remember how you kept repeatedly asking me "why why why why why?" about Celeste in Mafia Karts?

 

Even after I repeatedly explained that I was meta reading her and that's how I knew she was town?

 

but you kept asking me why?

 

I don't have the full context, and I'll have to iso her later because I don't have enough to go on from the first 22 pages I read through, but that just pinged me. Up to that point (first 22 pages) your questioning felt like you were actually interested in answers, unlike what I saw/felt from you in mafia karts and chrono trigger

[Lizabeth]

Do we know when end of day is yet, by the way?

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:38 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 10:56 PM, Lizabeth said:

42 pages? :(

 

Okay, catching up now *sigh*

 

LIZ!!

 

 

vote Liz!  welcome to a game with me!

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:05 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 10:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 9:42 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:21 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:58 PM, Zander said:

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

I giggled

 

Incidentally, have you asked Chris why he's town-reading me? (seeing's how you've asked everyone else and in this game Chris has the best track record of reading me)

 

 

ahem!  I think im a pretty good BFG reader tyvm!

 

I feel so...welcome

 

(but hi )

 

I'll have questions for you in a bit

 

*hoping my attempts at emoji codes actually work :P*

[Lizabeth]

yay! they did! \o/

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:25 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:21 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:17 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 10:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:42 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:21 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:58 PM, Zander said:

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

Low volume. low content players arent gonna skate by in my Town.

 

Ive got no problem with gut reads....but theres still gotta be a little substance to them.

 

Whats your problem with it?

 

Remember how you kept repeatedly asking me "why why why why why?" about Celeste in Mafia Karts?

 

Even after I repeatedly explained that I was meta reading her and that's how I knew she was town?

 

but you kept asking me why?

 

I don't have the full context, and I'll have to iso her later because I don't have enough to go on from the first 22 pages I read through, but that just pinged me. Up to that point (first 22 pages) your questioning felt like you were actually interested in answers, unlike what I saw/felt from you in mafia karts and chrono trigger

 

 

Sometimes I just dont like the answer Im given,.

 

But lmk know when youre completely caught up.

 

And we'll go from there.

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:25 AM, Lizabeth said:

Do we know when end of day is yet, by the way?

 

Like 2 days-ish iirc

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway

 

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

 

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

 

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

 

Zander and I argue a lot as town

 

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

 

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

 

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

 

Can't remember the rest right now

 

TLDR: /eh???

What was his meta assessment on Niniel? (I have to iso her too)

 

I read his early argument with wishtree/lenny (I'm just gonna call her lenny or theo - while privately grumbling about people who can't just stick to one user name ) but it didn't seem to go on for very long? Was the more later?

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:34 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway

 

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

 

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

 

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

 

Zander and I argue a lot as town

 

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

 

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

 

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

 

Can't remember the rest right now

 

TLDR: /eh???

What was his meta assessment on Niniel? (I have to iso her too)

 

I read his early argument with wishtree/lenny (I'm just gonna call her lenny or theo - while privately grumbling about people who can't just stick to one user name ) but it didn't seem to go on for very long? Was the more later?

 

 

Wolfy

 

Yes

 

I was hoping for your input on reading Lenbot.

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:30 AM, Zander said:

 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 2:25 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 10:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:42 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:21 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:58 PM, Zander said:

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

Low volume. low content players arent gonna skate by in my Town.

 

Ive got no problem with gut reads....but theres still gotta be a little substance to them.

 

Whats your problem with it?

 

Remember how you kept repeatedly asking me "why why why why why?" about Celeste in Mafia Karts?

 

Even after I repeatedly explained that I was meta reading her and that's how I knew she was town?

 

but you kept asking me why?

 

I don't have the full context, and I'll have to iso her later because I don't have enough to go on from the first 22 pages I read through, but that just pinged me. Up to that point (first 22 pages) your questioning felt like you were actually interested in answers, unlike what I saw/felt from you in mafia karts and chrono trigger

 

 

 

Sometimes I just dont like the answer Im given,.

 

But lmk know when youre completely caught up.

 

And we'll go from there.

 

 

But what is the point of repeatedly asking the same question if it doesn't get you a different answer? why not go at it from a different angle if you really think there's something there? Clogging up the thread with circular arguments that don't go anywhere just causes distractions.

 

Both times I've seen you as scum, this is the type of questioning I've seen you do that pinged me the wrong way.

 

And I'm never going to be fully caught up. I have to work in the morning.

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:30 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:25 AM, Lizabeth said:

Do we know when end of day is yet, by the way?

 

Like 2 days-ish iirc

 

you mean 2 days from now? as in wednesday?

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:35 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:34 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway

 

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

 

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

 

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

 

Zander and I argue a lot as town

 

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

 

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

 

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

 

Can't remember the rest right now

 

TLDR: /eh???

What was his meta assessment on Niniel? (I have to iso her too)

 

I read his early argument with wishtree/lenny (I'm just gonna call her lenny or theo - while privately grumbling about people who can't just stick to one user name ) but it didn't seem to go on for very long? Was the more later?

 

 

Wolfy

 

Yes

 

I was hoping for your input on reading Lenbot.

 

Can you point me to page numbers - or better yet link me to posts?

 

Based on the first half of the thread -- paradoxically her argument with you made me think she was town :P

 

I've only played against her once in a full game - she was town, I was scum, but I was convinced she was on an opposing scum team for the good chunk of D1 because her posts made no sense to me and she was trying to stir things up between me and penny/celeste by telling us exactly how she expected us to go at each other if we were both town.

 

When I've seen her play scum (which has been a while) she's tended to be more (paradoxically) easy to understand logic-wise and more subtle in the way she goes after people.

 

So my early leaning in reading through your argument is that it was a town/town fight. But idk

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:40 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:30 AM, Zander said:

 

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  On 6/7/2016 at 2:25 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:21 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:17 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

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  On 6/6/2016 at 10:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:42 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:36 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:28 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 9:21 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 7:58 PM, Zander said:

Ok but i want quotes up to the point where you said this not AFTER.  i want to see where youre coming from.

 

The longer you take to do it kinda makes it look a little worse tho imo.

 

You're not getting them. Let me try to explain this again, since you don't seem to be understanding me. I'm OVERWHELMED by the sheer amount of posting that's going on this game. It's the worst I've played in so far on DM. You couldn't pay me to slog through all that again and get quotes for you. I will do better later on when there is less posting or specific things catch my eye. For now, I have a couple of GUT reads. 

 

If you confuse being overwhelmed with being scummy, then vote me.

 

 

Gotta treat everyone the same Lily.

 

You said you trust her I want to know why.

 

 

Did I? I thought I said she feels town to me. I don't trust any of you yet.

 

 

Ya ok.

 

Why are you liking, reading her Town

 

 

You keep asking, like you expect my answer to change. Gut feeling.

 

 

 

I was actually reading Zander as town up until seeing this exchange....this reminds me of what he did to me in Mafia Karts :(

 

 

Low volume. low content players arent gonna skate by in my Town.

 

Ive got no problem with gut reads....but theres still gotta be a little substance to them.

 

Whats your problem with it?

 

Remember how you kept repeatedly asking me "why why why why why?" about Celeste in Mafia Karts?

 

Even after I repeatedly explained that I was meta reading her and that's how I knew she was town?

 

but you kept asking me why?

 

I don't have the full context, and I'll have to iso her later because I don't have enough to go on from the first 22 pages I read through, but that just pinged me. Up to that point (first 22 pages) your questioning felt like you were actually interested in answers, unlike what I saw/felt from you in mafia karts and chrono trigger

 

 

 

Sometimes I just dont like the answer Im given,.

 

But lmk know when youre completely caught up.

 

And we'll go from there.

 

 

But what is the point of repeatedly asking the same question if it doesn't get you a different answer? why not go at it from a different angle if you really think there's something there? Clogging up the thread with circular arguments that don't go anywhere just causes distractions.

 

Both times I've seen you as scum, this is the type of questioning I've seen you do that pinged me the wrong way.

 

And I'm never going to be fully caught up. I have to work in the morning.

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:30 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:25 AM, Lizabeth said:

Do we know when end of day is yet, by the way?

 

Like 2 days-ish iirc

 

you mean 2 days from now? as in wednesday?

 

 

Have you ever seen me Town?  I dont know if Id count your game on Perc cause I tend to play a little different off site.

 

Im not really tactful enough to try different things.  Im like a dog with a bone.

 

You'll be caught up at some point tho right?

 

No 2 days from last year....lolololololol

 

<3<3<3

[Lizabeth]

  On 6/7/2016 at 1:05 AM, BFG said:

Sili is sort of shorter to talk about

 

Vote switching and engagement read as probable town

 

But I'm having real difficulty following his train of thought and that's concerning.

 

Silis also having a really strange reaction to any sort of questioning that I don't recall from his normal town game (would need to check to see if it's different from his mafia game)

 

I think Sili can maintain volume as mafia, but the issue is that's from an argument that mafia!Cory made in Matrix, so not sure how much I can trust it. He posted a tonne as third party in his last game, so I suspect he can do it as mafia. Question is would he?

I always have difficulty following Sili's train of thought

 

(in all 1 and a current game I've played with him :P)

[Zander?]

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:44 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:35 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:34 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 12:55 AM, BFG said:

And I just had an essay on Zander which I lost and I don't think I can write it out in full now, so you get the high lights which will probably be easier to read anyway

 

Disagree with his meta assessment on Niniel (Dice what's your read on her at the moment?)

 

Hate that he danced around calling me scummy at the start of our arguments, his refusal to state that he thought I was trying to distance from Seph until After our argument today when I asked several times yesterday feels really slimy BUT our actual arguments felt 'honest'

 

I hate his apparent lack of actually evaluating any of my responses to his arguments

 

Zander and I argue a lot as town

 

His argument with wish-tree reads pretty well from his side, still cautious on hers. He acknowledges that she doesn't have the meta to know that a lot of the things she associates with mafia him are null as he does them as town as well, yet that doesn't really affect his read.

 

His focus on multiple people is probably a good look, but I need to see how it develops.

 

Early posts were focusing on 'weird' things and seemed like noise for the sake of it, his more recent stuff reads better, but comes after a couple of people have pointed this out already.

 

Can't remember the rest right now

 

TLDR: /eh???

What was his meta assessment on Niniel? (I have to iso her too)

 

I read his early argument with wishtree/lenny (I'm just gonna call her lenny or theo - while privately grumbling about people who can't just stick to one user name ) but it didn't seem to go on for very long? Was the more later?

 

 

Wolfy

 

Yes

 

I was hoping for your input on reading Lenbot.

 

Can you point me to page numbers - or better yet link me to posts?

 

Based on the first half of the thread -- paradoxically her argument with you made me think she was town :P

 

I've only played against her once in a full game - she was town, I was scum, but I was convinced she was on an opposing scum team for the good chunk of D1 because her posts made no sense to me and she was trying to stir things up between me and penny/celeste by telling us exactly how she expected us to go at each other if we were both town.

 

When I've seen her play scum (which has been a while) she's tended to be more (paradoxically) easy to understand logic-wise and more subtle in the way she goes after people.

 

So my early leaning in reading through your argument is that it was a town/town fight. But idk

 

 

*confused face*

 

ill try and find the Nina things for you.