[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Sili Quirrels]

not my fault. conversations with wolves usually end up like that because they think more linear.

 

being almost completely serious here.

 

villagers can think linear too. *shrug*

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:14 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:59 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Thanks for that ISO, Besie. Liz has been feeling more scummy to me of late, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. 

Why am I feeling more scummy to you now than before? And why only after I noted that I wanted to look into you more?

 

 

I am still basing my reads on feels, so I can't really give you a concrete "why". Even if I went with POE (and I will once day breaks) you are one of the four that I haven't got a solid town read on. 

 

I really wish people would stop saying they want to ISO me or look into me and someone would actually do it, so that's not it. 

[Lenlo]

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:49 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

I mean don't force yourself lenlo. All wolves want to iso their teammates because they think it makes them look good.

 

But nope. It won't for me. I'll still be on you.

I guess its a good thing I dont think "Gosh, what would look good to Sili, that guy whose been wolf reading me this entire darn game?", before I say ill do things then huh?

 

Power went out cause thunderstorm. Ill have to get to it tomorrow.

[BFG]

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:25 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 10:53 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 10:48 PM, BlomBesie said:

Could you please explain why Lily and Kat are cleared? Is it because they've been pushing Wish?

 

If we look at it that way, then Kat was doing the pushing and Lily was sheeping her - so do they both really look good?

 

I've not iso'd either of them so I just want to understand your (Hallia & BFG) thoughts on this

Kat ISO'd a case on wistork when nobody was really looking that way, Lily breaking the wagons today and headed in that direction looks really good for her as well.

 

Wishtork voting you over Dice (town) Day 2 looks pretty good for you as well.

 

I agree about Kat, but explain the lily part to me?

 

Wagon s were 2-2 on Sili, Lenlo. Lily voted wish which made it 2-2-1, I appreciate 1 vote by itself doesn't mean much but because wagons are low it looks good

[BFG]

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:27 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 12:31 AM, BFG said:

Thinking aloud, Liz has been challenging my read on Chris a lot. Generically I want to say this makes them unlikely teammates which makes Chris town unless Darthe was right about it being a 3 man lol, but I'm biased at this point since Chris is probably the read I 'want' to be right on the most

I wasn't challenging your read on Chris. I was asking how you got there. How is that any different from you "challenging" my read on you earlier today?

 

???

 

The point is that IF you were mafia with Chris, you're probably happy that I'm town reading his and don't question me on it, so you're unlikely m/m. I don't know you as a player well enough to know if that's true for you, but generically it's unusual for teammates.

[BFG]

Lenlo, who do you think is mafia?

[BFG]

  On 6/13/2016 at 3:21 AM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 12:42 AM, BFG said:

Yuck

 

Key can I edit the formatting in the above post?

You may

 

- "Key"

 

Thanks "Key" :)

[BFG]

Liz, I appreciate the answers :)

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/13/2016 at 5:19 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:49 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

I mean don't force yourself lenlo. All wolves want to iso their teammates because they think it makes them look good.

 

But nope. It won't for me. I'll still be on you.

I guess its a good thing I dont think "Gosh, what would look good to Sili, that guy whose been wolf reading me this entire darn game?", before I say ill do things then huh?

 

Power went out cause thunderstorm. Ill have to get to it tomorrow.

I guess. Didnt catch who u thought was mafia.

[Sili Quirrels]

Oh bfg already asked.

 

If youre town ill have no remorse.

[Sili Quirrels]

Maybe a little.

[Guest]

In your posts of the votes, these stood out to me

 

 

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  On 6/8/2016 at 8:35 PM, Katiora said:

well at least it's someone in my bottom...... 

 

I still think Nin is Scum btw. Just seems that no one is going there and it's almost EoD. And really Wish's defense of her doesn't make me feel that much better about Wish. 

 

 

 

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[v]wishstork[/v]

 

After this she changed her mind, as stated by BFG. I really would like to do an iso on her tonight. Hoping I have time.

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:43 PM, alannalynn said:

Wait wait why is wish being lynched ???

 

Hallia said this

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  On 6/13/2016 at 2:49 AM, Hallia said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:29 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 12:32 AM, Hallia said:

So considering I'm on borrowed time: don't let Laine slide. Feeling town still on Kat, BFG, Clov and Len still

I don't think you've ever explained why you're so suspicious of Laine, though.

 

I did like...three times.  Since then, she's been in eternal catch up.

 

Which is true, for me (bolded). I actually was not thinking of alanna at all yesterday.

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:44 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Wistork (5) - Seph, Zander, Sili, Hallia, Katiora

Seph (5) - Darthe, Besie, dice, Wistork, Lenlo

Lenlo (3) - alannalynn, Niniel, Clov,

 

Not Voting (3) - BFG, Lily, Lizabeth, 

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. 

 

DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

 

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:44 PM, alannalynn said:

I don't like either of the main wagons

 

As above

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:45 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

I was townreading Wish before I fell behind, so I'm going to 

 

Vote Seph

 

And here is a reason why I doubt that it's a good idea to clear Lily based on wish's flip. 

 

 

[Guest]

  On 6/13/2016 at 6:11 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Maybe a little.

 

lol

 

 

Well, in total that's been 4 times he's been asked for his mafia reads now. 2 before he was online, and 2 directly after.

[Guest]

and i could have missed some

[BFG]

What did you make of Lenlo's vote?

[Guest]

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:00 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:35 PM, BlomBesie said:

 

iso on Liz

For some reason my search function sometimes works in weird ways so I’ve added dates to it.

 

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Original feel: Around null

 

Game started 5 Jun. She only started posting on the 7th (keep in mind that this is on my time scale).

 

7 Jun (D1)

Post #835 is her first. She starts off sounding quite discouraged that she had 42 pages to catch up on. 

And even though she sounds disheartened, she still posts light posts like in #839.

And she jumps into the game immediately (#875), using the info already present in the game. This makes me think that she was in total rather annoyed at not having been there for the start of the game, but is trying to play as best she can now that she is there. Towny imo.

 

Right after saying that though… she says she gives up on catching up in #881... which no longer sounds so good. In the same post, however, she questions dice about his thoughts on zander – which makes me think that she was intending to be active in playing the game even though she was no longer catching up.

Another light hearted post #882 – not alignment indicative at this moment, I think.

#884 – says she was reading zander as town until his to and fro with lilyelzabeth (she quotes the to and fro). Bit odd, but she is just sharing thoughts at this point. Zander wondered about it too, and asked her about it, to which she replied in #888 – a bit harsh, maybe. She posts a “her” instead of “him” which probably means nothing. Also says she’s going by meta.

Fluff #885, #890, #891; light hearted #887

#894 – asks info about the pages she missed but doesn’t really say anything

#896, #897 - good reasoning; asking questions

#899 - says she’s struggling with sili’s train of thought and has little experience with him

#901 - doesn’t say much; says she won’t be able to catch up

#903 - says lenlo makes sense to her when he’s scum

Apparently zander is towny again in #916, with no reason given

 

Then there’s more posts about how to iso, and she asks questions that are and are not answered. Seems her thoughts were focused on dice, darthe; says to do iso on lily.

#975 – doubts on sili

#982 – has “Lenore” and zander both in town mindset now

 

8 Jun (D1, N1)

#1513 – comes into thread commenting on the length again so… doesn’t really mean anything

From there on she seems to be pushing Zander, which is fine for a town to do, and on darthe in #1560. If we keep in mind that we only found out their alignments later, this isn’t too strange yet.

This post is quite interesting - #1568 – she questions darthe. What I find interesting is darthe’s comment – he said that if seph is wolf, he’s wrong on bfg.

Avoids answering a question here #1637 but not in a way that’s alignment indicative imo

In #1646 she talks about someone who isn’t in this game. Not sure but I don’t think that’s alignment indicative either. She fixes herself in #1676

#1672 doesn’t completely make sense. She apologises in #1704

 

I agree with her in #1717 that zander didn’t have very good reasons for wanting to lynch her.

She further pushes zander in #1747 who is one of her scum reads here, I believe, so I see that as towny.

She then shows how tired she is in the following posts… Upon waking up she complains about the number of posts again, and the search function again.

In #1923 she states that her top scum read is seph. The above about zander is then no longer valid. She could just have been pushing him to see his response, although she didn’t strike me as someone who does that. Also possible that she was tired and irritated  that he wasn’t answering her effectively enough. mmm. and with suspicions on lenlo, dice and darthe. The dice and darthe hasn’t changed from the beginning of her posts so that’s consistent.

 

It’s only the second day she’s posted so I’m not going to think it’s too strange yet. I believe a town would change their mind on someone quite a bit (Something learned from sooh )

 

9 Jun (N1, D2)

She says she voted seph (#2774). But she did not. However, looking at the last post she posted before leaving, seph was her top scum vote so I believe her when she says that she thought she had voted. Then she goes to bed.

 

10 Jun (D2)

She’s back and starts the day with a vote on niniel in #3277 – apparently to test out a theory. Who knows what the theory was. She also states that she will stop complaining about the number of posts and asks us to colour questions to her. That did not happen, lol.

Some AtE in #3287 but she did say she was ranting so I accept it as non-alignment indicative.

Then there are some posts where she’s annoyed with the idea of a 24 hour day… and so forth.

She unvotes in #3307 due to a 24 hour day being too short. Still no mention of the theory she had. I don’t think that reason counts. Scummy.

Answers BFG thoughts on her different play in #3310 which seems fine and true. Her annoyance has been clear.

#3311 – finally states her theory, which is weird and makes a bit of sense at the same time. She says she gives up on catching up again.

#3381 – She states that her seph vote has been coming from the beginning. I don’t think I ever saw that though. Maybe I just didn’t notice it. Then on Zander she says she started off reading him town, and then he became scum for her. her reasoning doesn’t really make too much sense, and sounds like omgus. I thought her being tired explained why she was upset with him but, being in a new day and having had time to think about it? well it obviously wasn’t that she was tired. scummy? That being without the fact that we know zander was town. I didn’t take the latter into consideration when saying that this seems scummy.

 

#3385 – She says she could have “accidentally” helped lynch niniel. Now this, does not make sense to me. You can’t place a vote on someone that you don’t actually want lynched and then go to bed ??? Euhm???

#3525 – she votes dice because of very odd reasons. Apparently if niniel and dice are both scum, then both should have a wagon? According to me, we should lynch one wolf at a time. Get rid of them asap. Knowing what we know now, she saved niniel from a lynch. Knowing what we know now, hallia tried protecting her and failed. Knowing what we know now, saving her from being lynched (even by accident) didn’t help much. Well, she changed to dice for scummy reasons (scummy cause it makes no sense to me), and from there dice was lynched. Who we now know was town.

 

I agree with her thoughts on Kat’s gameplay here #3546. I think I might have to iso kat when I have time – maybe tomorrow.

 

11 Jun (D2, N2)

#4197 – states that she hopes that bfg is town

Then there’s some fluff posts… and more of them

#4224 - gives a reason for not wanting to do a reads list. Not alignment indicative imo. She also feels that hallia and sili are town.

#4238 – after bfg also stated the strange dice vote (which I also noted above), she tries explaining it. she says she has been poking him since d1, which is true. but that doesn’t explain why she decided to vote dice because of “if both are mafia then why aren’t both wagons climbing”.

#4245 – she states that she’s going to rethink her town read on wish because apparently wish is playing differently…??? This is an omgus statement, imo. Not sure it’s alignment indicative

I like her questioning in #4248

#4254 – adds bfg to her town reads for raisins

She gets really active in the thread after that. Questioning and answering everyone present, which is towny. She also makes jokes…

#4262 - good and bad reasoning in the same post. Well, not bad, just odd – she adds another reason for going off niniel: “which is why I unvoted her when i realized my test vote could get her killed before I had a chance to test my theory. And the point I was at in the thread, she was L-1 from getting lynched and I was afraid that if people didn't back off of her she'd be hammered before anything could be tested further.” My problem with this is that at L-1 for niniel she voted dice. She unvoted niniel when niniel only had 3 votes (she quoted it herself just before, post #3293); and because a 24 hour day wasn’t enough to test her “theory”. Is this the third time she gave a different reason for the not-niniel/yes-dice vote?

 

Correction. I checked the thread. Niniel had 5 votes, including liz’s, which is L-3. her unvote makes it L-4. Her reason for “accidental lynch” is a bit better when she was L-3, but in total? Taking into account the other reasons and so forth? meh.

 

#4282 – votes lenlo. Lenlo did post some odd things there but I’ll iso him after lily.

Gives a relatively good reason on why she made bfg town in #4291.

 

12 Jun (D3)

Her post #4312 is consistent with her entire gameplay (same reasoning and such). Towny, I think?

In total she seems a lot more confident now – is that alignment indicative? She’s still continuing about how she wants a better search function on DM (lol).

She’s pushing lenlo (#4333 as example), and has sili on her radar (#4334).

She’s asking questions and seems town in #4375

This time, she’s taking her time with voting and thinking it through (example #4440), which is also towny, imo.

She’s taking the time to explain herself properly (example #4443), which I also think is towny…

 

I’m adding her to the light scum spectrum simply because she seems to be very town today. Has she changed her game to save herself, or has she simply had a bad week (#4444, and she has said she’s felt bad many times previously in the thread) and is only getting into the game now? Is her WIM kicking in? I want to see what she does in the next few days, or at least until D4.

 

 

 

Feel after read/iso: She’s more scummy than town (see the bolded parts in the iso for my reasons). I’ve not seen anything really scummy from her today though… but I definitely add her to my scum spectrum for some of the things on the previous days. The lightly scummy spectrum though – also bolded reason in the iso.

 

I'm too tired to read this all in detail right now, but on my skim I'll say this - it feels like you either havent' read my posts explaining a good chunk of what you're questioning or you're choosing to ignore them. Because I feel like I've answered a lot of this already.

 

This specifically :She could just have been pushing him to see his response, although she didn’t strike me as someone who does that." I've pretty much outlined that I'm exactly that kind of player. If you read my whole conversation with BFG about my playstyle,  I pretty much outlined that that's exactly how I play.

 

*With the vote on Niniel I explained that I backed off of the test after I saw that there was a chance the day would be 24 hours instead of the 48 I expected. I'm used to games where the day lengths are set from the start and only voted on once there's only a few players left. so yeah, I'm scrambling to adjust my play a lot culture-wise in this game.

 

And I'm really getting annoyed (correction I AM really annoyed) at people using my low energy and activity from the first two days of this game when I've made it clear multiple times that my posting volume has nothing to do with my alignment, it has to do with my health and the time I had available. My typical play as either alignment is to be a postwhore in the thread. I wasn't able to play my normal play in this game the first two days, and it's frustrating that people keep bringing it up like it means anything either way.

 

 

Firstly, it seems that retyping my top spoiler tag fixes the spoiler.

And then

 

I understand and accept that that is how you play (bolded). That is not one of the main reasons why I thought you were scummy though.

 

Next to the star: Yes, thank you. That adds even more to how incredibly odd all the other reasons were for the niniel-vote thing. I really don't think you can change my opinion on that specific point of your gameplay.

 

Question: what does "culture-wise" gameplay look like? What is it?

 

And then, your last paragraph: i'm not one of the "people" that used your "low energy and activity of the first two game days" against you. Not at all. I didn't look at how many posts you had, or how frequent they were, or even if you had posted anytime. Instead I had looked at the content of the posts. 

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  On 6/13/2016 at 2:32 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:38 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:07 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 1:05 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 8:35 PM, Katiora said:

well at least it's someone in my bottom...... 
 
I still think Nin is Scum btw. Just seems that no one is going there and it's almost EoD. And really Wish's defense of her doesn't make me feel that much better about Wish. 
 
 
 
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[v]wishstork[/v]

I don't think I should townread this Bfg.

 

Why not?

I've been feeling better about Kat throughout Day 1 and she pushes Wistork Day 2 iirc. I remember Darthe(?)ointing some weird stuff out about her Day 2, but I'm not there yet in my reread

 

Well I don't know about anything else, but what I do know is that in lenlo, liz, lil, kat, and besie there is 3 wolves or so.

 

besie seems like town. lil kind of seems like town. and it seems like kat has seph as a strong townread there. Some wolves bus to avoid voting their strong town reads.

 

Knowing that Lenny was mafia makes it next to impossible that Kat was mafia with her. I'm pretty sure that Kat was the first one to go back to Lenny on D2 and start pointing out the patterns that other people weren't noticing. I know Chris did it too, I think Lily did it after Kat, but I'm pretty sure that Kat was the first one.

 

 

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:34 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

'next to impossible'

 

You know something about kat's personality i don't?

 

 

 

Agreed with sili here, albeit not for "personality" reason.

[Guest]

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:26 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/13/2016 at 2:24 AM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 10:49 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Vote Liz

 

my second choice, since my first choice just died. I admit, my vote is based on mostly feels, but there it is. 

Why is it that your feels started calling me mafia only after I started questioning your alignment?

 

serious question?

 

or a question to get a reaction?

 

it's hard to tell.

 

 

Serious question.

 

Better question is, is it true? Can you prove it, liz?

[Guest]

  On 6/13/2016 at 6:22 AM, BFG said:

What did you make of Lenlo's vote?

 

Missed it. Looking back

[Guest]

The one on Niniel? Not sure what to make of it, tbh.

 

I'll add thoughts on it in perspective to his posts before then as I'm doing his iso.

 

G2g - invigilating a test

[Sili Quirrels]

I regret stuff about wish. So much info.

[Sili Quirrels]

Besie u think the correct conclusion is kat is nearly never a wolf?

[Sili Quirrels]

Gn

[Guest]

  On 6/13/2016 at 6:37 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Besie u think the correct conclusion is kat is nearly never a wolf?

I don't think we can make that conclusion. Yes, I like that opinion changed in time. And it's if it's true that she was the first to build a case on wish then that is a good point for her. But, as you said, sometimes bussing a teammate - especially a goon - is an easy way to clear your name when that person flips.

 

All in all I really want to go find whether she really was the first person to build a case against wish, and what the reactions to it was. I confess, I tend to see more WIFOM than anything else in trying to judge someone's reactions but meh.

[Guest]

I'm also not actually typing in here... but watching students... lol