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  On 6/12/2016 at 12:26 PM, BFG said:

Chris, what's your take on Lily at the moment?

 

I'm sure she exists.  

 

More seriously, I remember thinking her reasoning for voting Seph was ~okay, in that it at least fit with what she had already established.  I didn't mind her vote on Dice, even though the justification didn't sound that great.  Beyond that, nothing she's done this game stands out to me.  

 

I'll take another look at her later, but I need to halfass some homework and sleep before I go back to work.

 

 

It turns out dealing with a terrorist attack takes a lot out of you.  Who knew?

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Wish at the end of day 1, on the Seph lynch kind of bothers me. I was strongly reading Seph town and he was genuinely coming off frustrated in the thread...The way she comes off pushing that lynch just feels dirty to me, she's not really reconsidering which is what I would expect from townie behavior.. I had something else to say but I deleted my post by accident :sad: Look at pages 122-124 abouts to see what I mean.

 

Example:

  On 6/8/2016 at 9:29 PM, wish-tree said:

 

  On 6/8/2016 at 9:28 PM, seph said:

this is such a wolfy post, she isn't even considering im town

  On 6/8/2016 at 9:27 PM, wish-tree said:

ugh last minute trying to save scum? 

YOU'RE HOWLING, just looooooooooooooool 

 

I can't even 

 

But then this explains it off and makes me think she really did believe he was a wolf and was just too confident, so idk:

  On 6/8/2016 at 9:30 PM, wish-tree said:

I'm not considering that you're town because that seems highly highly unlikely with the way you've treated me

 

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  On 6/12/2016 at 11:46 AM, Clovdyx said:

Besie/Alanna - why are you so confident he's town? I don't disagree, necessarily, but I have a lot less confidence after looking at the argument he had with Lenlo. It seems more like he's pushing Len for not trying than because he legitimately thinks Lenlo is mafia.

 

If sili actually believs Len is scum, I feel like he ought to have just posted whatever it was Lenlo was asking for to shut him up.

i. was. on. a. phone.

 

and i needed to elaborate a little as well. When i got to a computer i did this.

 

I think lenlo not trying most of the game, and only trying when he is pushed - that's wolfy.

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  On 6/12/2016 at 12:34 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:26 PM, BFG said:

Chris, what's your take on Lily at the moment?

 

I'm sure she exists.  

 

More seriously, I remember thinking her reasoning for voting Seph was ~okay, in that it at least fit with what she had already established.  I didn't mind her vote on Dice, even though the justification didn't sound that great.  Beyond that, nothing she's done this game stands out to me.  

 

I'll take another look at her later, but I need to halfass some homework and sleep before I go back to work.

 

 

It turns out dealing with a terrorist attack takes a lot out of you.  Who knew?

 

No worries

 

Her reads list a few pages back was a little odd, in as much as she had 2 maybe sorta suspects, but I don't know how it fits with the rest of her game yet.

 

eeek :(

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  On 6/12/2016 at 8:31 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 1:01 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:49 AM, Lenlo said:

Sili is now attempting to play the reasonable townie, when all through out this game hes been anything but.

:/

 

I don't want a fight right now. At other times I am okay with a fight, but not now.

 

Though I would argue that the fact I haven't voted someone I find wolfy in a vacuum for like 4 real life days testifies to my attempt at reasonablness.

 

The fact bfg found that your meta interpretation for yourself is lacking - matches what i know.

 

Why not?

 

When real life is stressful I don't want mafia to be stressful as well.

 

It really hurts me after a while believe it or not.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 1:04 PM, BFG said:

Sili, did you answer me on why you think Chris is mafia?

I said I don't think Chris is mafia. I was just saying Chris and Lenlo could be a team, and I didn't remember anything to really think that wasn't a possibility.

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I don't think lenlo's tone when he fights back against dice is really relevant to me because dice was actually incorrect, especially the way he phrased it. Wolves have an easier time when town are incorrect. Plus tone only carries my reads so far.

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@Chris I don't disagree with what you say about Lenlo (although he responded to Hallia about Seph, not Darthe :p), I just think that the more important issue is the way he isn't addressing suspects, and doesn't seem to have any.

 

I find it somewhat ironic that he jumps off Seph because his train built fast with little justification, onto Niniel who he never explained a read on, just called her wolfy.

 

But overall I'm just really concerned by the fact that 90% of his content is reactive

 

We're now on Day 3 and he doesn't have a mafia suspect. He's arguing that Sili has more SK potential than mafia.

 

 

 

 

Ok, Lost is the game when he was 'meh' to paraphrase.

 

Page 1 he votes mafia and poked another, by Page 4 of his ISO he has sustained pushes on 2 people and had an argument with Sili.

 

 

Obviously I need to read Day 2 again since that seems to be when most people change their minds, but at the moment I don't see it

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  On 6/12/2016 at 1:40 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Laines right that i dont like explaining myself twice. Lol

A lot of people don't this game :dry:

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:36 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:20 AM, Lizabeth said:

@Lenlo and @Sili -  I did look back at old posts and saw that you guys have been squabbling since early on (I must have missed it or forgotten it in the midst of all the other squabbles going on.... :dry:). But I also noticed that Hallia commented that you guys tend to do this with each other in games and she noted it as frequently a town-town tell for you two and she suggested you both back off.

 

So if that's the case, why are you two interpreting each other's reactions to each other as scummy this game? I saw Sili's long post just now. But Lenlo, do you have anything other than Sili being passive aggressive/active aggressive with you? And other than your A,B, C theory about the NK?

 

Hallia, I also noticed that you're now voting Sili - what about Sili concerns you now taht didn't concern you when the two of them were going at it on D1?

 

I'm not sure Halia is very informed about us, and far as I remember, her statement about our conflict was generic.

 

And the question of why we're still fighting so late has an obvious answer. Because nothing was resolved earlier, and Lenlo hasn't done anything to really make me think I was wrong.

 

May I ask you a question?

 

You think Hallia is for sure town correct?

 

Because I think she said she didn't like how I refused to quote the post for Lenlo.

 

I want to know why you asked Hallia that. Maybe you have reason to think Hallia has more grievances to take up with me?

 

It feels like you're playing both sides here to be honest. And I never understood your question about the sk earlier. You explained it, but really being an sk and being town isn't that different. Didn't you say that about me as well?

 

I'm confused, a little, but I'll be straight up with you.  I find it a little suspicious how you're treating this situation for some reason.

 

 

Why are you confused? Because you think I should rush to judgment here and potentially contribute to another mislynch?  Everyone one I was convinced was scum so far has flipped up town, so excuse me for wanting to take the time now that I actually have it to figure out what might be genuine derpiness and what might be actual scumminess.

 

i'm trying to figure out why people are thinking what they're thinking. I believe Hallia is town, so that means I can trust that her thought process is genuine. It doesn't necessarily make her right. But she seems to have history on you and Lenlo that I don't have, so I'm trying to understand how she came to the conclusion that she did. What I believe she said (and I lost the quote because I wasn't signed in while I was reading and then my browser froze on me - but it was somewhere in pages 55 to 60) was that it was frequently town on town when the two of you go at each other that way. So I wanted to know what was different for her now observing the current exchange. And I missed what she said about the quote thing with Lenlo, so thanks for bringing it to my attention.

 

As for the SK question, I wanted to know what you were like as SK. Clearly it's different from your mafia meta if you were able to fool people to the very end like that. I had pretty much sided with you as being town - frankly after seeing the hissy fit you threw over people questioning you, because it reminded me very much of the way you reacted to people questioning your logic in Mafia Karts. But I hadn't seen you play as SK. So two birds with one stone - see who jumped on the idea of you possibly being SK/scum (Seph specifically and others in general) as well as get some actual intel on the way you played in that game.

 

Who in this game played with you when you were the SK in the last game? I can look it up, but I'm lazy. You can tell me to stop being lazy and I'll do it, but it's easier if you just tell me :P

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  On 6/12/2016 at 8:54 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:51 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:41 PM, BFG said:

Liz, what's made me move up your list?

Your activity during the night, especially the isos, your actual pushes on people today.

 

To be honest, I was hesitating on you most of the game because I've always heard that you tend to be a strong town leader when you're town and you lay low when you're scum. For the first two days you felt kind of in the middle for me. But reading through last night and today you moved up. You're taking charge and taking names and all that :)

 

I'm rarely a town leader Tbh nor would I say I'm actually pushing anyone yet today

 

Okay...that's not what I heard.

 

And as I recall you've been questioning and pushing lenlo pretty hard today. And you've also been quite thorough in questioning me and following up on other lines of inquiry last night.

 

Should I NOT be town reading you right now...?

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  On 6/12/2016 at 3:02 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 8:54 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:51 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:41 PM, BFG said:

Liz, what's made me move up your list?

Your activity during the night, especially the isos, your actual pushes on people today.

 

To be honest, I was hesitating on you most of the game because I've always heard that you tend to be a strong town leader when you're town and you lay low when you're scum. For the first two days you felt kind of in the middle for me. But reading through last night and today you moved up. You're taking charge and taking names and all that :)

 

I'm rarely a town leader Tbh nor would I say I'm actually pushing anyone yet today

 

Okay...that's not what I heard.

 

And as I recall you've been questioning and pushing lenlo pretty hard today. And you've also been quite thorough in questioning me and following up on other lines of inquiry last night.

 

Should I NOT be town reading you right now...?

 

I can think of maybe 3 games in the past year where I 'could' be considered a town leader /shrug I really don't think it's important though.

 

And I guess the rest is perception.

 

I'm well outside my mafia meta at this point, but you've never seen that so :p

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  On 6/12/2016 at 9:45 AM, BFG said:

 

I guess there's not much I can argue against in terms of the thread's huge and if you fall behind it's very difficult to catch up.

 

But

 

You put questions out to Zander, Darthe and wish and don't address Seph till 2 or 3 days into the game.

 

You quote a post of Chris's that you agree with about Lenlo but none for Seph from anyone else, even though you're judging him on his responses to other people.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-3/?view=findpost&p=3664174 this is your first (game related) post towards Seph

 

Can you explain what you mean by "protecting a town buddy" http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/98177-basic-i-3-the-90s-mafia-music-edition-day-3/?view=findpost&p=3664519

 

And you imply that you're not willing to push Dice/Darthe/Lenlo because you haven't had chance to test theories, but unless I misunderstand what you mean by this you haven't tested any theories on Seph either.

 

You're voting Lenlo... what do you think of the post where he told me to go check out his Lost game?

 

And I'm ISOimg your Day 2 and again, I'm not seeing anything in your ISO to explain a mafia read on Dice, you spend your time poking Darthe. You ask Dice why he thinks Darthe/Lenlo are teammates, which I'm pretty sure he explains to me (and even though I didn't like the reason, you don't acknowledge it)

 

I don't know how else to explain my play style to you. I'm assuming though that you read the Orphan Black game or at least parts of it that played on PerC? That's a good example of my play style. If we're allowed to link  games from other sites here I'll go find it and link it to you.

 

I basically realized two days in that it was impossible for me to use that style effectively in this environment because the thread was too large, there is no quote/mention system to make it easier for me to find and follow up on responses, and I didn't have enough time or mental energy to read the entire thread. I wasn't saying I'm not willing to push someone without testing my theories. I'm saying I didn't have time. You yourself noted the way that I tried to get Seph to respond to my question when he and I were finally in the thread at the same time. That's not me not trying to push.

 

The way I went after my SK read in Orphan Black, for example, was this (I was right by the way - but no one listened to me and she killed me N1 and she didnt' get lynched until D4 or something):

 

I noticed she was posting in a way that was different from her typical way of posting. Everyone else was reading her as town.

I dropped hints that maybe I wasn't so convinced that she was town without coming right out and saying "hey! she's not town"

I evaluated her reactions to my hints (she basically ignored it and tried to buddy me more, if I'm remembering correctly)

I then started throwing out stronger hints, suggestions, without actually saying "Hey I think you're the SK" but to make her question how I was actually reading her

She got extremely nervous and demanding to know how I was reading her, without addressing my hints that I specifically thought she could be the SK

After I felt I had enough data - she went ballistic on me and OMGUSed me with a bogus case on why I was scum - I did an indepth post about why her case on me being scum was bogus and why I believed she was the SK

I decided not to push a lynch on her (which I regret) because I foolishly hoped that she and mafia would cross target each other and nobody was paying attention to my case on her anyway because there were bigger fights brewing

She kills me N1 and even my mason partner didn't follow up on the case the next day, which :dry:

 

In a game where I can keep up with the thread, that approach works. In a game where I can't even tell who has responded to what, it fails miserably.

 

AS for my iso on Seph, if you pay attention to what I wrote, I was rushed. I actually wound up being late for work that morning because I got caught up in reading through my notes, reanalyzing them, and organizing them concisely and coherently enough to post in the thread. The "protecting a town buddy" was actually copied directly from my notes and shouldn't have been copied into the thread - it was basically my comment to myself and I honestly don't remember what I intended by that. I know that at a certain point I wondered if you and Seph might be scumbuddies and he was giving you cover or if he was buddying you because he knew you were town - and yes, a town leader - and wanted to get on your good side.

 

But that brings up something about the whole "town leader" thing. Because yes, I heard about you and your playstyle from before the game started. But early in the game there were multiple people who referenced you as a strong town player and seemed to see being on your good side as a good thing. So why are you saying that you don't consider yourself to be a town leader?

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 11:24 AM, alannalynn said:

I'm pretty certain Sili is town. Likely Lenlo is a wolf. Liz is confusing for me, because the only game I've played with her, she was very much more energetic as town and I'm not exactly seeing that here.

 

I know Chris and Lenny have played with her before: what do y'all think?

I already explained that I was constantly behind and sick for most of the first two game days...

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:12 PM, Clovdyx said:

On my laptop now.  I have no idea how some of you people play primarily from your phones.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:24 AM, alannalynn said:

I'm pretty certain Sili is town. Likely Lenlo is a wolf. Liz is confusing for me, because the only game I've played with her, she was very much more energetic as town and I'm not exactly seeing that here.

 

I know Chris and Lenny have played with her before: what do y'all think?

 

If you're talking what the energy thing means for her alignment, I'm inclined to think it means very little. You're observation isn't wrong, but she was considerably less energetic in the Orphan Black game we just played.  She'd probably be overwhelmed from having to play catch up as either alignment, and it seems she's significantly behind every time she's here.

 

 

That being said, I want to take a closer look at her.  She was trending downwards, partially through POE and partially because I feel like she was avoiding following up with things, even when she was here.  I powerskimmed the hell out of her discussion with Lenlo, and I'm not even sure if she's replied to the posts I asked her about.

I was definitely MORE energetic in Orphan Black than I was the first two game days here. I've explained why ad nauseum. In the future I'm just going to say RTDT (because I'm polite...)

 

And I'm pretty sure I've answered every question posted to me by now. If there's something I've missed, please feel free to bring it to my attention :dry:

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  On 6/12/2016 at 11:59 AM, BFG said:

Thanks :)

 

Don't think I'm ever voting you this game

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:59 AM, BFG said:

That was meant for Laine, but probably goes for Chris as well

Why are you so sure about Chris a the moment? He's essentially in my "never fully trust" category after playing only two games with him.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 11:24 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

My alignment? You said you won't stop tinfoiling about me.

Hi, we've met :)

 

I think you're town, I will never be confident in that read, or rather won't be until we've lynched one or two mafia.

 

Talking of which, who do you want to lynch?

 

Never mind, I saw you also said this...but why are you confident about him at the moment?

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:07 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:00 PM, alannalynn said:

BFG I really don't see what you're seeing in my content. I've barely been here and don't know what's going on and my reads are half the game old.... =/

Your read on me.

 

Most people this game are giving me passes on activity, which isn't unreasonable considering most of my mafia games over the past year. Your point about tone change suggests that you're actually reading my posts and trying to determine my alignment instead of going with the easy read.

 

If I'm in that category of people reading you based on volume, I don't think that's what I said.

 

I feel like you're repeatedly either misunderstanding or misrepresenting the things that I've said. Chris has already pointed that out to you multiple times as well.

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  On 6/12/2016 at 12:16 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:03 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:56 AM, Clovdyx said:

I said yesterday that I was willing to lynch Wish. She stumbled her way through the claim thing. I know Tina questioned her about it, and I think others (including me, but I'm actually not sure at this point) did as well. Either she gave no answer, or it wasnt convincong enough to make me feel good about her.

 

Her lack of grasp on the thread is a bad look to, considering her activity level. If somebody that's barely posted claims to be lost, that makes sense. But how do you spam the thread and still have no idea what's going on?

 

Her activity is a good sign. The fsct she's posting her thoughts without caring how it makes her look is good. i have no issue with her trying to fit people together.

 

But the actual content is just so bad.

Lol, I've been present and have a bad grasp of the game :(

 

I actually think wish is town, but that's still a pretty weak read. But IF Lenlo is mafia his vote could have saved wish and I'd need to look more deeply there

 

Activity is null, she was a top poster in WoW

 

 

I really hadn't considered that about Lenlo, but given where I'm at with him, that doesn't mean a whole lot to me.  If I'm wrong, I'll probably demand her head on a stake, but I don't think I am.

 

Bold - I just checked it.  I knew she won and did well, but I had no idea she went THAT crazy.  Or anybody else, for that matter.

 

What do you think about Lenlo today (d3) though. And the discussion about mistaken vs. lying. And his fight with Sili. And what's your read on Sili?

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:25 PM, BFG said:

Laine, I know it can be faked :p

 

But I very, very rarely get mislynched. I suspect most mafia just write me off as a possible mislynch and take the easy route.

Do you usually get lynched when you're mafia?

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