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  On 6/11/2016 at 11:20 PM, Lenlo said:

All I want from Sili at this point is the quote. If he can give me one that proves what he says, I will vote myself. So not only does he prove his case he gets another vote. Should be everything he wants. He has no reason not to give it to me.

 

Unless it doesnt exist and he wasnt ready for me to hard call his bluff.

 

 

I was on a phone so I interpretted your posts in a way that makes sense to me and I was short on context.

 

You want to catch me in a lie? Won't work my friend. No lie exists. And let me tell you something, part of why I'm sure you're not town is because you focus on small inconsistencies to avoid acting like a villager.

Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 10:13 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:12 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

I am not arguing wish. Only len.

If your phones out of power go.

 

If its not, stop pussyfooting around and give me the quote.

 

 

You go at this for a long time I see. Really has nothing to do with the through line of why I think you're mafia.

Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 11:56 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:34 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Lenlo and Sili at it again? Great.

 Lenlo plays in an inflammatory way. I can't do anything about that except not engage him.

 

I do not, your avoiding me because the quote doesnt exist.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:05 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:13 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:12 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

I am not arguing wish. Only len.

If your phones out of power go.

 

If its not, stop pussyfooting around and give me the quote.

 

 

You go at this for a long time I see. Really has nothing to do with the through line of why I think you're mafia.

 

Give me the quote Sili. Youve nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing so.

Posted

I think silis town. Would rather lynch lenlo, same as all game, but he needs a reread so I won't vote. Lenlo didn't respond to me commenting about him creating meta for me, which is frustrating.

Posted
  On 6/11/2016 at 10:13 PM, wish-tree said:

I'm irritated for out of game reasons and also because I don't even know WHAT your cases on each other are

Well Lenlo's case seems to me to be I've been wrong about him and I don't push that hard for my reads.

 

Frankly he is correct. I haven't felt confident enough about various reads to defend them. And my town core is everyone's town core so there's been no need to defend people I feel strongly about.

 

However, he is incorrect when he says I went on about the wrongness of Dice's lynch, or if not incorrect, I at least think he is being misleading. I've never gone after people for voting Dice, merely joked about how I was right. I like being on the right side of history. Everyone does. But I did not make a big deal out of it.

 

 

My case on Lenlo is an amalgamation. tl;dr is he doesn't care about the game, only cares about defending himself.

 

(1) I can't recall many times this game Lenlo has posted content that was not omgus or bent around defending himself. His first catch up post he says later had no reads. Despite containing no read related information he uses a lot of negative connotative words, and it's up to you whether you believe he meant them innocuously.

 

(2) Lenlo's activity first surged when  I said I had him as a wolf and tried to show why by giving my reaction to his catch-up post. He said I was wrong and misreading him. AS we later find out other people agreed with my interpretation so it couldn't have been just me, so I think lenlo either lacks self-awareness or is involved in revisionist history. Either way it is clear he wasn't very concerned with why i interpretted his post the way i did, but rather proving that i misread. His phrasing during this part treats me as town even though at other times he says he thinks i'm a wolf.

 

(3) Lenlo's behavior with dice was a little less ping-worthy because Dice was actually technically incorrect, I believe. My main problem right now is that as with me Lenlo's focus was on proving that Dice was lying or was incorrect or whatever. And frankly as time went on it certainly did seem like waht Dice meant was that Lenlo didn't fight for the lynch he wanted as hard as he could have. What dice was perhaps thinking was that the lynch lenlo wanted was a possibility but lenlo didn't fight for it, and that is ironically what lenlo's case on me boils down to.

 

Except I of course have proven that I do indeed care about this game. I merely don't pretend to have stronger reads than I do unless I do, and I don't want to try and persuade people to my side by forcing their hand.

 

(4) Lenlo's use of lying just recently implies he has some through line of dismissing pushes against him, either because that's who he is or because he is not town and values his life to an unreasonable degree (and not a pr because a pr actually does more to help the town win condition in my opinion).

Posted

Why I won't engage Lenlo:

 

The way lenlo has played this game he will go all out to defend himself and suck up the thread with the weight of our conflict. So here is my proposition: I express myself and make myself clear. I believe what I say, but whether I'm right or wrong, you can determine how genuine I am on your own. IF you find my case compelling or if you think Lenlo is acting like a wolf, or perhaps third party, you vote him and you explain why in your own terms.

 

And I must also add that thunderdoming someone who just wants to prove me wrong instead of proving he's town is very very tiresome, and I don't want that stress in my life.  IF lenlo is insulted by calousness so be it. Perhaps he should play different if he wants me to treat him different.

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  On 6/11/2016 at 9:48 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:47 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Lol.

 

I wont tdome you though. I just want to make my stance clear.

So you wont let me prove you wrong?

 

This is the post I am referring to.

 

Seems to me it could be called rhetorical though.

 

It doesn't matter a lot, so I'm not going to make a bigger deal out of it than I did in my initial reaction.

Posted

I gtg. You guys can vote no matter who you want. I ain't goign to force anyone to choose here. I'm not perfect. Don't think I'm wrong, but you guys need to make up your own minds and not let two players decide who is getting the rope today.

Posted

Sili is now attempting to play the reasonable townie, when all through out this game hes been anything but. 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:16 AM, Hallia said:

If it's between the two, I'm gonna

[v] Sili [/v]

Can you ask him to provide the quote? Because he clearly wont do it when I ask him, even though doing so gets him everything he wants and more.

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:23 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:13 PM, wish-tree said:

I'm irritated for out of game reasons and also because I don't even know WHAT your cases on each other are

Well Lenlo's case seems to me to be I've been wrong about him and I don't push that hard for my reads.

 

Frankly he is correct. I haven't felt confident enough about various reads to defend them. And my town core is everyone's town core so there's been no need to defend people I feel strongly about.

 

However, he is incorrect when he says I went on about the wrongness of Dice's lynch, or if not incorrect, I at least think he is being misleading. I've never gone after people for voting Dice, merely joked about how I was right. I like being on the right side of history. Everyone does. But I did not make a big deal out of it.

 

 

My case on Lenlo is an amalgamation. tl;dr is he doesn't care about the game, only cares about defending himself.

 

(1) I can't recall many times this game Lenlo has posted content that was not omgus or bent around defending himself. His first catch up post he says later had no reads. Despite containing no read related information he uses a lot of negative connotative words, and it's up to you whether you believe he meant them innocuously.

Ive already made the argument that just because they are negative connotations to you doesnt mean they are to me. Not gonna rehash that.

 

(2) Lenlo's activity first surged when  I said I had him as a wolf and tried to show why by giving my reaction to his catch-up post. He said I was wrong and misreading him. AS we later find out other people agreed with my interpretation so it couldn't have been just me, so I think lenlo either lacks self-awareness or is involved in revisionist history. Either way it is clear he wasn't very concerned with why i interpretted his post the way i did, but rather proving that i misread. His phrasing during this part treats me as town even though at other times he says he thinks i'm a wolf.

You called me a wolf soon after my catchup. Of course my activity would surge after I had caught up. Once again I will also explain that treating someone as a human with a working cerebellum, with the ability to talk and reason and discuss, does not equate to treating them as town. I wanted to talk with you and get your reads and discuss with you because, if you were wolf, doing so would hopefully give away or atleast lead to your teammates. You understand? You get information from the person you think is a wolf before you lynch them. 

 

(3) Lenlo's behavior with dice was a little less ping-worthy because Dice was actually technically incorrect, I believe. My main problem right now is that as with me Lenlo's focus was on proving that Dice was lying or was incorrect or whatever. And frankly as time went on it certainly did seem like waht Dice meant was that Lenlo didn't fight for the lynch he wanted as hard as he could have. What dice was perhaps thinking was that the lynch lenlo wanted was a possibility but lenlo didn't fight for it, and that is ironically what lenlo's case on me boils down to.

Theres no technically. He was flat out wrong. What wold you have had me do with Dice? "Oh no Dice, its ok your wrong and constantly pushing this thing. Just rethink it mmmk?". No. I told him he was wrong, explained why, and then left. There was nothing else after that. Your also using alot of "Seem like", "perhaps", "possibility", your attempting to interpret something that was proven wrong as something that may still have merit.

 

And no, thats not my case. But thanks for trying to make it one.

 

Except I of course have proven that I do indeed care about this game. I merely don't pretend to have stronger reads than I do unless I do, and I don't want to try and persuade people to my side by forcing their hand.

 

(4) Lenlo's use of lying just recently implies he has some through line of dismissing pushes against him, either because that's who he is or because he is not town and values his life to an unreasonable degree (and not a pr because a pr actually does more to help the town win condition in my opinion).

This is simply you not knowing me. Even if I cant find wolves, if I can convince the rest of the town that im not a wolf, ive saved us a mislynch. As for valuing my life, I have already proven this isnt the case by saying "If you give me the quote and prove your case, I will vote myself for you". So if you prove it Sili, I will vote myself and you will get your lynch. All it takes is you sucking it up and giving me a quote. So your "Values life to an unreasonable degree" is shot right there. 

 

Also what if I am a PR hmm? Again, you dont know me. Stop trying to make reads as if you do.

Posted

What I don't get is why he would readily provide it during my spat with him yesterday, but he can't be bothered with you.  I don't like it.

Posted

Lenlo, it's fne and all to try and prove someone wrong, but to avoid being lynched it's ideal to act like a vilalger and not as someone who doesn't want to be lynched.

 

just my two cents.

 

"If you give me the quote and prove your case, I will vote myself for you" - sounded like hot air to me. I don't think i or anyone this game has offered a reason to lynch you that you found acceptable.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:55 AM, Hallia said:

What I don't get is why he would readily provide it during my spat with him yesterday, but he can't be bothered with you.  I don't like it.

i have no idea what you mean.

 

i quoted the post i was interpretting just a bit ago.

 

i was on a phone up until now and it was difficult to communicate.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:49 AM, Lenlo said:

 

Sili is now attempting to play the reasonable townie, when all through out this game hes been anything but. 

 

:/

 

I don't want a fight right now. At other times I am okay with a fight, but not now.

 

Though I would argue that the fact I haven't voted someone I find wolfy in a vacuum for like 4 real life days testifies to my attempt at reasonablness.

 

The fact bfg found that your meta interpretation for yourself is lacking - matches what i know.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:57 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Lenlo, it's fne and all to try and prove someone wrong, but to avoid being lynched it's ideal to act like a vilalger and not as someone who doesn't want to be lynched.

 

just my two cents.

 

"If you give me the quote and prove your case, I will vote myself for you" - sounded like hot air to me. I don't think i or anyone this game has offered a reason to lynch you that you found acceptable.

Its not hot air. It doesnt matter if your reasons are unacceptable to me, I am making you this offer. Find me a quote that says what you said it did, and I will vote myself. All so that you will actually talk to me and bring me what I want.

 

Also sadly not all games can be perfect. I had some decent ones, now im having some bad ones. No big deal. Ill get out of it eventually.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:35 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:48 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 9:47 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Lol.

 

I wont tdome you though. I just want to make my stance clear.

So you wont let me prove you wrong?

 

This is the post I am referring to.

 

Seems to me it could be called rhetorical though.

 

It doesn't matter a lot, so I'm not going to make a bigger deal out of it than I did in my initial reaction.

 

 

  On 6/11/2016 at 10:03 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Nah. u could at least keep consistent wuth how u describe my actions though. u just asked me to let you convince me essentially. Thats not consistent with ur vote imo.

Thank you. So how am I being inconsistent? I dont see how its inconsistent, as once again its flippantry.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 12:23 AM, alannalynn said:

I think silis town. Would rather lynch lenlo, same as all game, but he needs a reread so I won't vote. Lenlo didn't respond to me commenting about him creating meta for me, which is frustrating.

Posted
  On 6/12/2016 at 2:26 AM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 12:23 AM, alannalynn said:

I think silis town. Would rather lynch lenlo, same as all game, but he needs a reread so I won't vote. Lenlo didn't respond to me commenting about him creating meta for me, which is frustrating.

 

You commented on it, didnt ask me a question from what I remember. Am I supposed to respond to every comment?

 

Second: Do you expect me to know your entire meta? I just remember you being super go getem as town. I prefaced it with alot of maybe.

Posted

It just seemed an easy way to shade me when you know that this game is seriously out of control with posts. Basically you suggested with your "maybe" that "Alanna's mafia because her PC is low" which is a false statement and I don't exactly appreciate it when I've been posting whenever I can.

Posted

@Lenlo and @Sili -  I did look back at old posts and saw that you guys have been squabbling since early on (I must have missed it or forgotten it in the midst of all the other squabbles going on....:dry:). But I also noticed that Hallia commented that you guys tend to do this with each other in games and she noted it as frequently a town-town tell for you two and she suggested you both back off.

 

So if that's the case, why are you two interpreting each other's reactions to each other as scummy this game? I saw Sili's long post just now. But Lenlo, do you have anything other than Sili being passive aggressive/active aggressive with you? And other than your A,B, C theory about the NK?

 

Hallia, I also noticed that you're now voting Sili - what about Sili concerns you now taht didn't concern you when the two of them were going at it on D1?

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