[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Darthe]

If Besie is town you're prob getting lynched.  You get that, right?

[wish-tree]

 

 

If Besie is town, we pretty much need Lenlo to be mafia, or we're not going to win this game.  And I really don't htink he is.

what does that mean

 

can you explain

 

 

People that have been seriously pushed this game.  Pretty sure I'm not missing anybody.

 

Seph - town

Dice - town

Niniel - almost certainly town

Lenlo - ?

Besie - ?

 

If you think Besie is town, that means at least four of the five top pushes this game are town.  Good luck with that one.

 

I think you're leaving me off the list too...

[BFG]

 

 

 

BFG, what do you think Besie's alignment is?

Right now town, but I don't have a lot behind it

 

 

Fair enough.  Obviously my association was wrong.  But I need to take a deeper look at her to see why she was so confident, because I still don't see it.

 

Why do you think Besie's mafia?

 

[wish-tree]

if four of the five top pushes this game are town, it just means we need to reevaluate on other people

[Darthe]

 

 

If Besie is town, we pretty much need Lenlo to be mafia, or we're not going to win this game.  And I really don't htink he is.

what does that mean

 

can you explain

 

 

People that have been seriously pushed this game.  Pretty sure I'm not missing anybody.

 

Seph - town

Dice - town

Niniel - almost certainly town

Lenlo - ?

Besie - ?

 

If you think Besie is town, that means at least four of the five top pushes this game are town.  Good luck with that one.

 

Let's mark them out by who mainly pushed them though.

 

Seph - me, Sili

Dice - clov, BFG, Liz, am I missing someone?

Nin - Idk but it'd be really nice to see who really didn't push her.  

Len - clov, sili, zander, nin, dice?

Besie - me, sili, ???

 

I'd love a less shoddy more comprehensive list of who was majorly pushing for and against each of these.  I think theres great info there.

[Darthe]

Len was really shady today btw, I am not disagreeing with the assertion that he can be town, but I really hate the premise of how clov is moving back and forth on him.  It's absolutely setting up lynches.

 

No way can you reasonably go from "Len is my top lynch" to "Len is almost certainly a wolf with dice" to "Len is never a wolf and was uber townie but we need to lynch dice" to "dice flipped town so Len is town" to "Well if Dice is town and x others are town then Len is obv a wolf so lets lynch them and see".

 

That bugs the hell out of me because Clov has done some awesomely townie things here but his transitions on Len are as purely in line with wolf motivation as I can think of in game.

 

 

 

What I'm saying is if Bessie flips town we have basically no choice but to lynch clov.  Chasing our tails is a death sentence.

[Sili Quirrels]

i wouldnt say im really pushing besie here. thats mostly derf and she's pretty much null for me atm.

[Sili Quirrels]

sometimes i don't think you're town darthe.

 

other times i also don't think clov is not town.

 

other times i remember that laine is a player.

 

so where does that leave me?

 

=/

[Sili Quirrels]

clueless pretty much.

[BFG]

Too late for double negatives :(

[BFG]

i wouldnt say im really pushing besie here. thats mostly derf and she's pretty much null for me atm.

Then who do you think is mafia?

[wish-tree]

Lenlo just talked about stuff irrelevant to game stuff pretty much today :/

 

he peaced out when I asked him for game content, and not MBTI stuff

[wish-tree]

so I don't know lol

 

maybe lynching Chris would break open the game

[Darthe]

sometimes i don't think you're town darthe.

 

other times i also don't think clov is not town.

 

other times i remember that laine is a player.

 

so where does that leave me?

 

=/

I have the same doubts, just switch my name with yours.  I'm not giving them much weight until we get a bit more resolution.

 

So don't sweat it.  If you don't hunt I'll come at you and if I keep killing townies then come after me.  Fair?

[Darthe]

so I don't know lol

 

maybe lynching Chris would break open the game

Maybe, but why would we just take a stab at a lynch and see what happens on D3?  

[BFG]

Lenlo just talked about stuff irrelevant to game stuff pretty much today :/

 

he peaced out when I asked him for game content, and not MBTI stuff

 

 

so I don't know lol

 

maybe lynching Chris would break open the game

How do you go from this to this?

[BFG]

Back tomorrow <3

[wish-tree]

 

Lenlo just talked about stuff irrelevant to game stuff pretty much today :/

 

he peaced out when I asked him for game content, and not MBTI stuff

 

 

so I don't know lol

 

maybe lynching Chris would break open the game

How do you go from this to this?

 

Chris defending lenlo yesterday, saying he did the towniest thing of all the game

 

Lenlo peacing out of the thread and not playing today after people hard defended him

[BFG]

Chris/Lenlo probably still not aligned after Day 1 though

[Darthe]

Prob not.

 

Hey, here's a thought.  The best thing the wolves did for us so far was kill Zander, and it was really nice actually.

 

So if we extrapolate that to assume that wolves are either not really great or don't have a perfect handle on the game (which would make sense and tie into what players we have left to choose between) we can prob assume that all three are in 

 

Bessie, Kat, Len, Lily, Laine and Liz.

 

Which sounds like mumbo jumbo, but hear me out here.  I'm not using this as an argument to exclude anyone that should be on the list above.  I left Len and Kat in there despite them not really fitting the mold.  I'm just using it to reinforce the point that if we look at the above list we are prob moving in the right direction.

 

I'm assuming that most of you agree that 9/10 of the time we have one or less wolves in

 

Darthe

BFG
Hallia

Sili

Nin

Clov

Wistork

 

So really I'd love to focus on adding people from that top list into this bottom list while maintaining it's accuracy.  Just for probabilities sake here.

 

Does that make sense to anyone else?

[Darthe]

if four of the five top pushes this game are town, it just means we need to reevaluate on other people

Bias towards loudness.  People who talk more have more that you can find wrong in.  Quieter folks slip through the cracks.

 

This is why it's important to play a clean game, so that all of the quiet people have less room to hide.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

It's not like I suddenly had some epiphany that he was town. I've made it very clear what I thought of him this game and why I thought it. That's not suddenly out of the thread.

 

And what I've thought about people's alignments for how they basically tiptoed around him for no reason this game isn't out of the thread, either.

Hey so, since that read and your reasoning for it was really bad what does that mean for len iyo

Lenlo is just a hair worse because part of it was dependent on Dice being mafia, but I still think he's probably town. Dice being town has nothing to do with his approach to Niniel this game, and I can't crucify the guy just for being wrong about Dice - I obviously was too, and we weren't the only ones.

 

His explanation of his progression from yesterday is still probably the most purely town thing that happened this day phase.

Im a bit flabberghasted by this turnaround. He was your top wolf read, then suddenly is town but can be a wolf dependent on how dice flips? And im waaay simplifying that. Who else in this thread is supposed to be able and follow your thought process clov?

 

 

Where are you getting this?  I literally just said the opposite of this.  And I don't see how anything I've posted today even somehow supports that idea.

 

 

Apparently I'm not getting an answer.  He was my top wolf read, and then things happened that made me think I was probably wrong, based on Dice.  Then his play today made a lot of sense from a town POV, and I have trouble picturing him explaining himself in a way that fit so perfectly with what happened AND makes sense of a town thought process if he was lying through his teeth.  At that point, it really didn't matter what Dice flipped, and I insinuated as much.  

 

 

 

 

 

If Besie is town, we pretty much need Lenlo to be mafia, or we're not going to win this game.  And I really don't htink he is.

what does that mean

 

can you explain

 

 

People that have been seriously pushed this game.  Pretty sure I'm not missing anybody.

 

Seph - town

Dice - town

Niniel - almost certainly town

Lenlo - ?

Besie - ?

 

If you think Besie is town, that means at least four of the five top pushes this game are town.  Good luck with that one.

 

I think you're leaving me off the list too...

 

 

You're right, I did.  That was a mistake.  

 

 

 

 

 

BFG, what do you think Besie's alignment is?

Right now town, but I don't have a lot behind it

 

 

Fair enough.  Obviously my association was wrong.  But I need to take a deeper look at her to see why she was so confident, because I still don't see it.

 

Why do you think Besie's mafia?

 

 

 

I don't have any reason to think she's mafia at this point.  That's why I said I need to go back and look at her more closely.  There's a chance she's town and read Dice better than I did.  There's a chance she's mafia and knew I was wrong but had no reason to fight me on it.

 

Len was really shady today btw, I am not disagreeing with the assertion that he can be town, but I really hate the premise of how clov is moving back and forth on him.  It's absolutely setting up lynches.

 

No way can you reasonably go from "Len is my top lynch" to "Len is almost certainly a wolf with dice" to "Len is never a wolf and was uber townie but we need to lynch dice" to "dice flipped town so Len is town" to "Well if Dice is town and x others are town then Len is obv a wolf so lets lynch them and see".

 

That bugs the hell out of me because Clov has done some awesomely townie things here but his transitions on Len are as purely in line with wolf motivation as I can think of in game.

 

 

 

What I'm saying is if Bessie flips town we have basically no choice but to lynch clov.  Chasing our tails is a death sentence.

 

Again with the narrative that is blatantly untrue.  Where is any of this?  I've shown my work on why I thought Lenlo was objectively townie today, beyond never being teammates with Dice.  The red is LITERALLY the exact opposite of what I've said all freaking phase.

 

 

 

Can you talk about Dice?  You typically read him well, and the only plus I have for him at this point is that I don't think he should ever be teammates with Lenlo, who I've thought was mafia a lot longer...but Dice's end of day was basically a car crash in text form.  

 

 

 

Like I said before, my only concern is that I really don't picture Lenlo and Dice as teammates.  I've had Lenlo as pretty likely scum basically all game, and nothing HE has done gives me a whole lot of reason to doubt that.  If Lenlo needs to be resolved first, whatever, but I'm voting Dice until somebody gives me a reason not to.

 

 

 

Niniel gets ran up yesterday, with an incredibly clean looking lynch. Hints at a claim and leaves (though I do believe timezones factor in)

 

Dice comes in and basically claims scum before deadline. He comes in today, claims, and leaves.

 

Niniel sees the claim and starts townreading him again, without addressing the argument I've even made about him.

 

The two of them are voting Lenlo, who has sounded really good today. Neither seems willing to vote the other.

 

Am I really the only person seeing this?

 

 

 

I started today by saying that Lenlo and Dice are never teammates this game, and given that Dice is my strongest suspect, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT LENLO.

 

I questioned Lenlo on his approach to Seph/Niniel and explained why I thought it made sense from a townie mindset.  Looked at his explanation versus his play at EoD yesterday and found it pretty much fit perfectly.  If he's lying, he did one of the best jobs of rolling off and covering himself that I've seen - to the point where I don't care that I'm wrong.

 

But it's much more likely that he's just town, Dice is mafia, and you refuse to take a look at him.  Why is that?

 

 

 

You know what, let's lynch Lenlo.  I'm totally down to CFD the person that might have actually had the BEST day phase, whose thought process basically never comes from mafia, and who totally doesn't fit with somebody who might be the actually scummiest player in the entire game.

 

This is a great strategy and I approve of it fully.

 

 

You said Dice's vote was bad and would vote there, but you clearly didn't...and you gave no reason whatsoever to suggest why.  You've done nothing to show why you think Lenlo was shady today.  

[Clovdyx]

I'd also love any explanation on why Darthe keeps saying that there are only three mafia this game, when anybody remotely experienced with mafia (especially modding) and lacking inside information is unlikely to think that.

[Darthe]

The dumbest of reasons imaginable, man.

[Sili Quirrels]

The dumbest of reasons imaginable, man.

i can think of a few that might surprise you.