[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

Darthe and Penny need to step up and they're probably both aware of it. Nulls only live so long as there are scummy people about.

 

I'm not going to be posting as much as I usually do this game. I'm doing my best to keep up and contribute.

 

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

Elaborate on this please.

He said "if there is two kills that Besie is SK". How is he supposed to know that?

I questioned his statement as well iirc.

 

But I dont know how its TMI unless he IS the SK because as Scum he wouldnt know there was an SK.

 

Seems very iffy tho that there actually was 2 kills tho.

yes cause there could NEVER be an advanced game that could have two (or more) killing roles.

[Zander?]

What about Zander 2.0 thane, or even dice though I think he is town.

 

Besie. Zander 2.0. Darthe/turin celeste. I doubt I lynch outside here today. Besie seems to fit in most teams I have in mind so I think she would be the best lynch today.

 

These I feel the strongest about lynching. Besie day 2 lately has been weird to say the least

 

Why me?

 

Have you even mentioned Nyn before me subbing in?

[Turin Turambar]

Z2, She could be either. I just don't see her being town here.

 

I think there is a level of seeking to be derp cleared with all these questions.

[Zander?]

I would omgus vote you but... I already am.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

Love it.

 

 

@thane her pages since d2 haven't exactly been towny imo

 

Neither were your D1's the last few games but you were.

 

You of all people should understand this.

 

 

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

This is the 3 townies quote. Two are already confirmed. I think Sili is town also. It is starting to look like a TMI slip by Bes.

 

Also check out Seph at EoD. He jumps Kiv to 5 votes.

Kiv claims VT.

Seph switches to Hallia, leaving Kiv at 4.

Hallia claims VT.

Seph unvotes. Then votes Bes.

Then Bes switched to me creating the random.

 

His bes vote may have happened before or after bes switch to me.

 

 

I think they are likely w/w.

 

 

Explain the TMI part please?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

And yes. Zander is dead. He may have replaced nyn too, but until I think I know his new alignment, he's dead.

This is false. Zander 1.0 is dead. Z 2.0 is quite alive. Your posts seem like you are troubled by that fact.

I kinda am, Turin.

that's because when mafia kill townies they prefer for them to stay dead.

 

 

Did you want me to stay dead......???

[Zander?]

 

Its ok Zander's here now.

<--- is excited

 

 

Im catching up now brother.

[Zander?]

I feel so handicapped by being an outed town in this game.

 

Like my sword of righteous fury has been stripped from me in favor of a pretty princess gown.

 

I wish I could just be VT in all games always.

 

Well you look pretty with the gown on.

 

VT or IC GOAT roles imo.

 

 

Because we're deep wolfin ldo

 

Wait....Calder????

[Zander?]

 

 

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

 

Im having serious trouble in believing Town!Lenlo CAN'T believe Besie CAN'T just be inexperienced Town.

 

Like it doesnt seem to be something he's even willing to factor in.

 

I have factored it in. I just dont think its enough to offset what shes done. Yeah, no on in their right mind unvotes and moves there. But she also kinda painted herself into a corner with her whole consolidate on Kiv because everyone else told me to. Coulda been panic. Ive already said, completely ignoring EoD, shes still wolfy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Time to hire someone to decipher besie's hidden secrets.

Besie do you have any feels, one way or the other on anyone?

 

Her brain is a scary place....

Her brain is a wonderful place, you just need to know how to navigate it. With some booze, goat offerings and virgin blood, it's significantly easier, though.

 

I just snorted with laughter at this. I also really liked this entire post of yours, Thane. Imo you sound calm and collected. Not saying you weren't as scum; just saying imo it didn't feel too forced.

 

 

 

 

Statistically, Besie being wolf yet again would be insane (and one would have made a lot of money if there would have been bets on it)

 

on the other hand, she did want to break the new player scum streak record, and can be stubborn.....

All completely true. Unfortunately, my stubbornness has no effect on what Sooh randed for the players in this game.

 

 

Turin just sounds confused on p10. Are you okay? Yes, Dice was definitely joking about lynching me. But just sort of. Because I'm known for being wolf.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bessie, if you actually randed town you would tell us, right?

I'd give you the same answer I would as wolf, yes.

 

Which is also the answer I gave you when we first played together.

From what I can tell, you were wolf in the game you are referring. Why bring it up? Why not a simple yes, instead of a "I'd say yes either way, wolf or not (refer to wolf game)"

 

Someone has answered this. I don't keep my town game great by learning from the times I'm wolf. I uphold my wolf game by making sure I play the same when I'm town.

 

So your town game is great huh? I see there are some broken quotes in there, but im pretty sure this is your statement. Broken quotes where in the orig quote.

 

 

 

Lenlo shes never played Town....what are you trying to get at here?

 

That shes lying and contradicting herself?

 

 

How has she been wolfy BESIDES EoD iyo?

 

I think youre misreading that but Ill let her respond.

[Turin Turambar]

Z2,

 

The TMI on her part was that she said only 3 townies went with the plan. At the time I think there were 3 people other than herself voting Kiv. They were Sili (who I currently think is town), Hallia and Zander1.0 (both confirmed town).

 

I didn't have you killed. I'm town and I thought you were too so no I didn't want you dead.

[Lenlo]

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

 

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

[Zander?]

 

 

Because we're deep wolfin ldo

Lol, Shad. I'm just wondering. Are they playing with our minds, or did they rather go for a possible PR? But that would mean they assumed you and Thane were VT. Are masons always VT's?

masons can also have other abilities. It is fairly rare however.

 

Mafia are frequently loathe to shoot masons that claim early because:

1. It confirms the remaining mason. In effect converting them to innocent child.

 

2. It uses up shots that can be used to cop/doc hunt.

 

But you already knew that.

 

 

How did she already know that?

 

 

 

 

Darthe and Penny need to step up and they're probably both aware of it.  Nulls only live so long as there are scummy people about.

  

 

I'm not going to be posting as much as I usually do this game. I'm doing my best to keep up and contribute.

 

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

Elaborate on this please.

He said "if there is two kills that Besie is SK". How is he supposed to know that?

 

 

I questioned his statement as well iirc. 

 

But I dont know how its TMI unless he IS the SK because as Scum he wouldnt know there was an SK.

 

Seems very iffy tho that there actually was 2 kills tho.

 

My logic behind him being a mafia Vig and having TMI was saying there was an SK, vigging a towny, then claiming an SK existed. So less TMI I suppose and more framing her. But TMI in the idea that he knew there would be a second kill

 

 

I was quoting Penny here, not sure why you felt the need to jump in.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

Because we're deep wolfin ldo

Lol, Shad. I'm just wondering. Are they playing with our minds, or did they rather go for a possible PR? But that would mean they assumed you and Thane were VT. Are masons always VT's?

masons can also have other abilities. It is fairly rare however.

 

Mafia are frequently loathe to shoot masons that claim early because:

1. It confirms the remaining mason. In effect converting them to innocent child.

 

2. It uses up shots that can be used to cop/doc hunt.

 

But you already knew that.

 

 

How did she already know that?

 

 

 

 

Darthe and Penny need to step up and they're probably both aware of it.  Nulls only live so long as there are scummy people about.

  

 

I'm not going to be posting as much as I usually do this game. I'm doing my best to keep up and contribute.

 

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

Elaborate on this please.

He said "if there is two kills that Besie is SK". How is he supposed to know that?

 

 

I questioned his statement as well iirc. 

 

But I dont know how its TMI unless he IS the SK because as Scum he wouldnt know there was an SK.

 

Seems very iffy tho that there actually was 2 kills tho.

 

My logic behind him being a mafia Vig and having TMI was saying there was an SK, vigging a towny, then claiming an SK existed. So less TMI I suppose and more framing her. But TMI in the idea that he knew there would be a second kill

 

 

I was quoting Penny here, not sure why you felt the need to jump in.

 

Because I thought you were addressing my reasoning for why only an SK or a Mafia Vig would have TMI there, as Penny did. I mistook which quote that was.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Darthe and Penny need to step up and they're probably both aware of it. Nulls only live so long as there are scummy people about.

 

I'm not going to be posting as much as I usually do this game. I'm doing my best to keep up and contribute.

 

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

Elaborate on this please.

He said "if there is two kills that Besie is SK". How is he supposed to know that?

I questioned his statement as well iirc.

 

But I dont know how its TMI unless he IS the SK because as Scum he wouldnt know there was an SK.

 

Seems very iffy tho that there actually was 2 kills tho.

yes cause there could NEVER be an advanced game that could have two (or more) killing roles.

 

 

yeah cause another killing role could never holster.

[Zander?]

Z2, She could be either. I just don't see her being town here.

 

I think there is a level of seeking to be derp cleared with all these questions.

 

I disagree with everything this post is about.

[Lenlo]

 

Z2, She could be either. I just don't see her being town here.

 

I think there is a level of seeking to be derp cleared with all these questions.

 

I disagree with everything this post is about.

 

Thats one thing.

[Zander?]

Z2,

 

The TMI on her part was that she said only 3 townies went with the plan. At the time I think there were 3 people other than herself voting Kiv. They were Sili (who I currently think is town), Hallia and Zander1.0 (both confirmed town).

 

I didn't have you killed. I'm town and I thought you were too so no I didn't want you dead.

 

You know Turin, maybe she was including herself?

 

Was this before or after EoD and Kiv's and my original flips?

[Turin Turambar]

Z2, I did say multiple. I also said in response to Dice that if my pressure got her to holster it would probably be a good thing. Do you disagree?

 

She would know why mafia do things because she has said she is a good wolf. Good wolves think about who the prime targets are. Did it give you zero pause when she said she caught something you said in your previous incarnation that she would have thought made you a good night target? Since you died and all that.

 

How many times have you read her correctly? Just curious...

[Zander?]

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

 

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

 

I dont think I am.

 

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

[Zander?]

 

 

Z2, She could be either. I just don't see her being town here.

 

I think there is a level of seeking to be derp cleared with all these questions.

 

I disagree with everything this post is about.

 

Thats one thing.

 

 

Nope

 

I think hes wrong about her alignment

 

And I dont think shes derping.

 

Thats 2 things.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Z2,

 

The TMI on her part was that she said only 3 townies went with the plan. At the time I think there were 3 people other than herself voting Kiv. They were Sili (who I currently think is town), Hallia and Zander1.0 (both confirmed town).

 

I didn't have you killed. I'm town and I thought you were too so no I didn't want you dead.

You know Turin, maybe she was including herself?

 

Was this before or after EoD and Kiv's and my original flips?

During night phase I think. Maybe even before hallia flipped. Definitely not before day started.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

Z2, She could be either. I just don't see her being town here.

 

I think there is a level of seeking to be derp cleared with all these questions.

 

I disagree with everything this post is about.

 

Thats one thing.

 

 

Nope

 

I think hes wrong about her alignment

 

And I dont think shes derping.

 

Thats 2 things.

 

If shes town shes already hardcore derped once sooo...

[Lenlo]

 

That entire list and consolidating on Kiv not because of her reads but because everyone else told her to? Thats super sketch. I said as much when she first posted it.

 

I think your blinded and not actually reconsidering your read on her after her initial D1 start.

 

I dont think I am.

 

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

 

Ive considered it. I think her being town is less likely then her being not town though. Shes made some very sketchy arguments and has not defended herself well. Most of her defense has actually come from other people.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

Lol Len

 

I'm leaving it to 50/50. I am for both Hallia and Kivam, so let's see.

Yeah I know. What happened to trusting your town core Bess? I thought 6 voices were better then 1? I thought you were bringing them togther to FIGHT THE RANDOM

Lol Len. I don't see what your problem is, honey. It was an idea that you obviously hated. Only 3 towns actually went for the plan.

After day ended but before hallia flipped.

 

Wanna reconsider???

[Zander?]

Z2, I did say multiple. I also said in response to Dice that if my pressure got her to holster it would probably be a good thing. Do you disagree?

 

She would know why mafia do things because she has said she is a good wolf. Good wolves think about who the prime targets are. Did it give you zero pause when she said she caught something you said in your previous incarnation that she would have thought made you a good night target? Since you died and all that.

 

How many times have you read her correctly? Just curious...

 

Do you think she holstered?

 

I like to think Im a good Towny but I miss things, Im wrong and I dont always understand everything.

 

None, still doesnt mean Im wrong.  In other games she made changes but there were still similarities. 

 

I dont see them here.  I dont see her making that EoD play as Scum or SK cause she wouldnt care who was lynched atp seeing they both flipped Town.

 

Makes 0 sense to me.

[Zander?]

 

 

Z2,

 

The TMI on her part was that she said only 3 townies went with the plan. At the time I think there were 3 people other than herself voting Kiv. They were Sili (who I currently think is town), Hallia and Zander1.0 (both confirmed town).

 

I didn't have you killed. I'm town and I thought you were too so no I didn't want you dead.

You know Turin, maybe she was including herself?

 

Was this before or after EoD and Kiv's and my original flips?

During night phase I think. Maybe even before hallia flipped. Definitely not before day started.

 

 

Well when was it exactly?

 

Thats kinda important.