[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Darthe]

 

Just want to apologize again for being a dick when I came on today. I wasn't/still am not thinking straight and it was 100% me, not any of you.

 

I will only be angry at you if youre lying about the Masons claim!!!!

 

lololololololol

 

He isn't.  Who's the other mason?

[Eldrick4221]

I asked you something too right after the pop in comment, but can't for the life of me remember what it was.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

A very wise person once told me: A strong town core can accomplish much.

VOUCH

So wheres her town core? Is it the 6 people who put Kiv in their WTL? Seems like a pretty random town core to me.

 

Hey, Kivs in my WTL now. Guess im in her town core.

Im a core on my own Lenlo.

 

lolololololol

Minority villa claim?

 

 

Nope Im just Town brother.

[Eldrick4221]

He isn't. Who's the other mason?

Thane

[Zander?]

a 15 player game lol, and was it a 3-3 wagon between kivam and hallia? how was the lynch decided? if it was rng kivam is probably town all considered.

 

???

[Zander?]

Besie was sussing Kivam. I think she was also sussing hally.

 

She was advocating consolidating on whoever was mentioned the most in wtl (Kivam) to avoid random.

 

Hally and Kivam both claimed vt.

 

Besie stopped sussing both of them because of the vt claims.

 

Seconds before eod, she moves off of Kivam, putting him and hally at a tie for the lead, and onto Turin, who didn't have time to happen.

 

If besie is scum, Kivam probably isn't, and turin could be.

 

Whats your read of her?

[Darthe]

 

He isn't. Who's the other mason?

Thane

 

I'm cool with that.

 

One of Bessie or Zander is probably a wolf this game btw.  The thing Bessie did at EoD is directly anti-town and her post about affecting her town game to be like her wolf game is actively memorable to me.  

[Zander?]

Zander, who are your reads?  You've the most posts so I kinda wanna sheep you though that's awful play.

 

Wanna reread and see what the night brings but I wanted to lunch between you and Kiv.

 

So this is up to you....lolololololol

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

He isn't. Who's the other mason?

Thane

I'm cool with that.

 

One of Bessie or Zander is probably a wolf this game btw. The thing Bessie did at EoD is directly anti-town and her post about affecting her town game to be like her wolf game is actively memorable to me.

Me too. Those are the things that stuck out for me, and are the ones I have already commented on.

 

@Zander I think besie is scum

[Eldrick4221]

I'm wary of you, darthe. I haven't liked your game so far, and now you are suddenly pointing out things I agree with.

[Zander?]

 

 

All of the arguments your using to justify it are bending the truth and ignoring the facts of how EoD went down. You switched seconds before EoD, securing a random. Your saying I should have moved off my top wolf read to secure a lynch on someone I wasnt wolf reading. Your trying to shift the blame.

I wish you were more invested in Meta cause this would make it easier.

 

But this is not her Scum game is all I can say.

 

Im not saying you cant be suspicious of her or her actions or whatever I really think she's just feeling her way through her first Town game,

 

Do with that what you will.

The only way for you to know this isn't her scum game is if you are scum.

 

She could be scum and playing differently.

She could be trying to change her scum game to not get caught.

Her team would probably be different people and that affects scum play.

 

Or she could be town, and is therefore playing differently.

 

Can you really look at EoD and say it doesn't look bad for her?

 

 

Or I could be just reading her correctly.

 

No I dont really.

 

I feel like its her not being confident in her reads atp is all.

[Zander?]

 

 

Still reading up. Checked who the flip was before I posted this, but otherwise not current.

I'm keeping my Kivam vote.

 

I hope he flips scum. Then it'll be fun to see what everyone makes of you, Len.

If Kivam had been the flip, and flipped scum, I wouldn't have had an issue with lenlo's logic.

 

I agree with him that you are giving away responsibility for your actions by voting someone because they are the most popular choice in wtl. The flip itself doesn't matter. It's the concept that stinks.

 

It's good to look and see if who you want to lynch is getting support. It's not good to base your choice on said support.

Im confused.

About what?

 

 

You said if Kiv flipped scum you would not have had issue with Len's logic

 

Kiv didnt flip anything and you still agree.

 

Maybe its just the wording Im not following.

[Darthe]

 

Zander, who are your reads? You've the most posts so I kinda wanna sheep you though that's awful play.

Wanna reread and see what the night brings but I wanted to lunch between you and Kiv.

 

So this is up to you....lolololololol

Frankly people who push me D1 die.. Dont they Seph? The underlying meta is you dont kill valuable players on your first day and you dont eliminate players you know will get loud later when you havent got adequate info. We dont like to admit it cause it's basically class warfare but if I was your D1 its either an ulterior motive or a sign of a weak town.

 

Which is it?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

a 15 player game lol, and was it a 3-3 wagon between kivam and hallia? how was the lynch decided? if it was rng kivam is probably town all considered.

 

???

 

because wolves rarely if ever in that environment let a wolf be lynched.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

First of all, no. I don't want you to link me to another game. I'm not gonna look. I go on my personal experiences with people. If I wasn't in the game, it doesn't matter to me.

 

Secondly, you agree that understanding where people are coming from is useful. I wanted to know why you said what you did about seph, and your response was "why not". This is me trying to understand you, and you are blowing me off.

The above post alone practically guarantees town elrick. Havent read up yet, just saw that and wanted to comment.

Can you elaborate some on this Darthe?

My post. Your response. Zander's question. All wrapped up together. Needs a bow.

 

Flat out sexy, thank you.  That post has a trifecta of townie awesome in it.  It's standoffish without being an attack (townies sometimes get that screw you I do what I want mentality but wolves don't like to stand out that much in general), second the tone is good (it doesn't look edited or thought out, Eldrick just punched out some words here and hit post, only really good wolves do that so that's another probabilities thing), and third Eldrick is trying to see things from another persons pov to better understand them (do i need to explain?).  All three together and you've got a really really really hard post for me to imagine coming from a wolf.

 

 

Fair enough.

[Darthe]

I'm wary of you, darthe. I haven't liked your game so far, and now you are suddenly pointing out things I agree with.

Ive had maybe 25 posts and read ten pages. How'd you develop that read?

[Zander?]

 

 

He isn't. Who's the other mason?

Thane

 

I'm cool with that.

 

One of Bessie or Zander is probably a wolf this game btw.  The thing Bessie did at EoD is directly anti-town and her post about affecting her town game to be like her wolf game is actively memorable to me.  

 

 

Why does 1 of us have to?

 

Whats the connection or correlation?

[Sili Quirrels]

it's cause zander is thoroughly networked with everyone so obviously he is a wolf with everyone. it's just how it is.

[Zander?]

 

 

Zander, who are your reads? You've the most posts so I kinda wanna sheep you though that's awful play.

Wanna reread and see what the night brings but I wanted to lunch between you and Kiv.

 

So this is up to you....lolololololol

Frankly people who push me D1 die.. Dont they Seph? The underlying meta is you dont kill valuable players on your first day and you dont eliminate players you know will get loud later when you havent got adequate info. We dont like to admit it cause it's basically class warfare but if I was your D1 its either an ulterior motive or a sign of a weak town.

 

Which is it?

 

 

Im not seph.

 

I go after who I think the wolves are and you know me well enough to know thats true.

 

I find youre playing differently then what I come to expect from you and its bothering me.

 

But I noticed things and Ill readjust if need be,

[Guest]

 

bessie was one of the main proponents of people grouping, so that's ironic. what were her reads of hallia and kiv, and was her intent to rng between them?

I had both scummy. But I've a feeling that this

 

 

a 15 player game lol, and was it a 3-3 wagon between kivam and hallia? how was the lynch decided? if it was rng kivam is probably town all considered.

 might be true.

 

 

 

 

 

People who never expressed interest in voting Kiv, like me and Turin, did not cause Hallias lynch. Thats like saying the doc caused the NK because the protected the wrong person.

 

No, of the people on Hallias train I dare say Besie is one of the most accountable as she had been voting Kiv, had secured Kivs lynch effectively, but then said no.

You could have moved your votes.

 

Im not saying that you are but this line of reasoning we can argue balls and strikes over all day,

Could have, but I made it very clear I wasnt voting Kiv. Made that clear hours before hand. No one could reasonably expect me to move. Besie though had been voting him for hours. 10 seconds before deadline? Unvote go random. Its not just the unvote Z its the timing.

Sure. Blame me for Hallia's VT flip.

 

I trusted her VT claim. Are hou ignoring Kiv's? Do you think he's lying?

You trusted Her VT claim? So you unvote Kiv? Or are you saying to trusted Kivs claim, which was an expected claim btw I dont know why you believe it when its something you should have been expecting him to say the entire time he was being run up.

I dont understand why a VT claim is so easy for you to just trust. You went from lynching him to trusting him completely in 1 second flat.

This.

 

I don't get at all how you went from sussing people to trusting them from a VT claim, the most common fake claim by far.

Probably inexperience.

 

 

Besie was sussing Kivam. I think she was also sussing hally.

 

She was advocating consolidating on whoever was mentioned the most in wtl (Kivam) to avoid random.

 

Hally and Kivam both claimed vt.

 

Besie stopped sussing both of them because of the vt claims.

 

Seconds before eod, she moves off of Kivam, putting him and hally at a tie for the lead, and onto Turin, who didn't have time to happen.

 

If besie is scum, Kivam probably isn't, and turin could be.

 

good prognosis eldrick.

Agreed, but I'm town. What will that mean to you?

 

 

 

 

He isn't. Who's the other mason?

Thane

I'm cool with that.

 

One of Bessie or Zander is probably a wolf this game btw.  The thing Bessie did at EoD is directly anti-town and her post about affecting her town game to be like her wolf game is actively memorable to me. 

Yes... I thought we'd sorted this out beginning D1. I know how to wolf. I've only wolved up till now. I'm not sure how to town. Apparently, it kinda sucks.

 

Zander knows what I'm like as wolf - he's been there everytime. He has more experience than any of you to know the difference when he sees it.

 

I am town. Imo I prolly won't be NK'd by the scum cause I'm an easy lynch. I might be vigged, if there's one out there that thinks I am scum (you'd be wrong).

[Sili Quirrels]

it will mean that i need to shoot kivam.

[Zander?]

 

 

a 15 player game lol, and was it a 3-3 wagon between kivam and hallia? how was the lynch decided? if it was rng kivam is probably town all considered.

 

???

 

because wolves rarely if ever in that environment let a wolf be lynched.

 

 

this is quite possible but eod was kinda aids.

 

did you read it?

[Zander?]

it's cause zander is thoroughly networked with everyone so obviously he is a wolf with everyone. it's just how it is.

 

lolololololololol

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

a 15 player game lol, and was it a 3-3 wagon between kivam and hallia? how was the lynch decided? if it was rng kivam is probably town all considered.

 

???

 

because wolves rarely if ever in that environment let a wolf be lynched.

 

 

this is quite possible but eod was kinda aids.

 

did you read it?

 

i scanned it for the who was lynched and who was their counter-wagon aspects, but no i effectively did not read it and i probably won't. i can't imagine my point changing even though i am not a fan of assuming what wolves will do.

[Guest]

it will mean that i need to shoot kivam.

I don't know....

 

I really don't know.