[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Zander?]

Turin was the person who wouldn't get a joke even after it was explained to him, and Nyn lobbed him a softball.

 

You know, we can lynch Zander first. I am okay with that. But it would satiate my pride if Turin was a wolf and we had him for dinner tomorrow.

 

Are you gonna make me do something stupid Sili?

[Zander?]

 

Here, lets line some stuff up.

 

Vig plz shoot one of len/zander/eldrick/dice/Sili if you have a shot. If not please dont say so til morning.

 

Turin please bd one of shad/i with someone who they are never gonna kill, a la the masons or yourself. Kinda safe it.

 

Investigator plz aim at one of the four the vig is going at. Maybe at the lined out ones to confirm. Otherwise the risk is of doubling up which is wasteful. Also, if the masons haven't been checked yet they need to be.

 

Doc plz protect one of me/shad.

FTFY

 

Have you been drinking at the office? How do you have me targeting shad to protect and then say I should move it to Shad/Thane because mafia wouldn't kill them? 

 

 

Why would Mafia shoot Shad/Thane over someone else?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Turin was the person who wouldn't get a joke even after it was explained to him, and Nyn lobbed him a softball.

 

You know, we can lynch Zander first. I am okay with that. But it would satiate my pride if Turin was a wolf and we had him for dinner tomorrow.

 

Are you gonna make me do something stupid Sili?

 

 

Gimme a break. I'll decide later. Yes you seem a likely wolf. Yes I am glad you are seeing the same things are about Turin. That makes me feel better. Yes, I felt like your push on celeste and defense of bessie might not be wolf motivated but i'm going to have to process it.

[Zander?]

Celeste from the beginning. Quoteing posts that may have some spew in them.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v] ARE YOU POG NOW

"joke" votes Shad. Feels like nothing and Shad is most likely town so thinking it is nothing but a park vote. It did stay there for a significant portion of D1.

 

 

 

I humbly accept Seph as the intro phase boss of my village.

I should also add. At your own risk to that shad lol

Lol are you officially Spider-Man Seph.

 

conversation. I don't know Celeste enough to know if she would be more likely than not to banter in this way specifically with a partner. 

 

[unvote] 

Unvotes Shad I think after the Mason claim. Doesn't really have another candidate.  

 

 

Ftr I don't care about the vote. It's not doing anything and if you don't have a better use for it, you can leave it there until you do. Just wanted to be clear that's what you were saying.

What.. Can you re-word the bolded.

 

This feels like an actual push at Eldrick. I think it makes him more likely town.

 

Wait did I see somewhere that Zander doesn't have reads yet.

This was at Z 1.0. We know he was town and it is an active sus trying to see if it will get traction.

 

I'm going to reread the thread to see what I missed during my skimming.

Going to reread. may have to requote this in next group of posts because she didn't finish until the next day.

 

Honestly i'm not getting why votes are piling up on Seph this time. He's making a lot of sense like last game. 

This is seeming defense of Seph. Not sure how to read it tho. could be either defending a teammate or WKing a townie. 

 

 

 

I think there is more to support Eldrick being spewed town later. 

She dels with Shad, Z1.0 and Eld in a similar way. I think that looks good for Eld and Shad ( and by association Thane).

 

How does this even make sense?

[Zander?]

 

Celeste from the beginning. Quoteing posts that may have some spew in them.

 

 

[v]Shad[/v] ARE YOU POG NOW

"joke" votes Shad. Feels like nothing and Shad is most likely town so thinking it is nothing but a park vote. It did stay there for a significant portion of D1.

 

 

 

I humbly accept Seph as the intro phase boss of my village.

I should also add. At your own risk to that shad lol

Lol are you officially Spider-Man Seph.

 

conversation. I don't know Celeste enough to know if she would be more likely than not to banter in this way specifically with a partner. 

 

[unvote] 

Unvotes Shad I think after the Mason claim. Doesn't really have another candidate.  

 

 

Ftr I don't care about the vote. It's not doing anything and if you don't have a better use for it, you can leave it there until you do. Just wanted to be clear that's what you were saying.

What.. Can you re-word the bolded.

 

This feels like an actual push at Eldrick. I think it makes him more likely town.

 

Wait did I see somewhere that Zander doesn't have reads yet.

This was at Z 1.0. We know he was town and it is an active sus trying to see if it will get traction.

 

I'm going to reread the thread to see what I missed during my skimming.

Going to reread. may have to requote this in next group of posts because she didn't finish until the next day.

 

Honestly i'm not getting why votes are piling up on Seph this time. He's making a lot of sense like last game. 

This is seeming defense of Seph. Not sure how to read it tho. could be either defending a teammate or WKing a townie. 

 

 

 

I think there is more to support Eldrick being spewed town later. 

She dels with Shad, Z1.0 and Eld in a similar way. I think that looks good for Eld and Shad ( and by association Thane).

 

How does this even make sense?

 

 

Sorry I missed the 1.0 part lolme.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I get credit for voting her over Besie yesterday. You and everyone on Besie at the end of the day do not. Today doesn't matter. Day 2 does.

 

But I dont?

 

Cause you're zander :P

 

you sort of do, but i don't think it's equivalent because i was on besie and could have stayed on besie without drawing any negative attention, whereas you had actively defended her.

[Zander?]

I'm about to drop the one read I think is most important atm.

 

Zander is a wolf. Why? He tried to discredit me and take credit for the celeste lynch in the same string of posts * before * she got lynched.

 

Hard to see him as a wolf with Lenlo though.

 

When did this happen Darthe?

[Turin Turambar]

 

Hi Sili. 

 

 

I get credit for voting her over Besie yesterday. You and everyone on Besie at the end of the day do not. Today doesn't matter. Day 2 does.

Nope. You flip flopped between the two. It is easily possible that she was being bussed hard. I believe the term Darthe uses is advanced bussing. 

 

How does flip flopping change the fact that I did a 120?  Basically, now I'm just extrapolating, but what you're saying is because a thing is possible means it's just as likely as the simpler altenrative.

 

 

 

 

Excellent. 

 

Celeste reread needed now. 

you just did that...

 

I think everybody who has the time should do that, see if they find something that could lead us to the next wolf. 

 

I mean he just made an mq of Celeste. So I'm noting that he didn't offer anything. It doesn't flow.

 

I was looking at what she had done and it looked to me that she was much more likely to be mafia at that point. Maybe that is why you decided to hammer and keep her from doing any more spewing. 

 

I think you were trying to justify voting her after she got to L-2 and you realized you couldn't save her. I mean that is so obvious bussing I don't even. Leaving that massive investigation to the end of the day when the lynch is probably already decided, and pretending it's anything positive for you is wolfy af.

 

 

 

 

quick read thru and some possible spewage. 

 

I will try to post quotes before too much longer. Need to file for my state ID number after I talk to Ithi.

 

I think that Eld , Len and me (biased) look better. 

Z2.0, Dice and possibly Sili (weird) looks worse. No credit for the Hammer because She was definitely getting lynched today.

 

Seph some both ways. Darthe also. 

 

We get the Masons confirmed and I think we might be able to lock this up tomorrow. 

 

might be holstering tonight. Might not. 

 

You look better? Sure.

 

No you don't.

 

Who was the ONLY person she put ANY effort into getting lynched??? Me. look it up. 

 

Interesting that you have now picked up the torch for her.

 

Yeah, and that doesn't make you town... Might actually make you a wolf because wolves find it easier to bus and she started pushing you very late, which leads me to think she pushed you out of convenience after two days where she wasn't able to get a good push on anyone else.

 

Now that I know you better it doesn't fit that you claimed busdriver when you did, as town.

You don't know me. If you think you do then you are fooling yourself. I claimed with the purpose of giving my action in case there was a view sent in on either of my targets I didn't want to have someone act on something that could be faulty. Also to prevent anyone from attempting to use my flip to dispute said view. 

 

If you really knew me you would know that as town I'm not afraid to die as long as it has a purpose. I thought it was possible before last night that my role was the weak protective role for town. But I have to assume either a doc exists now or that a RB got lucky but in that case I think that there would have been some evidence of that in the thread. 

Well Darthe said you were methodical. Taking that into account --- I remember noting that you said your views in a post after you claimed. If that's true, then that contradicts what you're saying about wanting to give the town some information, but beyond that you weren't yet in a position where your lynch could happen too quickly for you to respond.

 

No, I think you dying as town with purpose fits. You would probably do it as a wolf too if you'd do it as town - really very little difference. Regardless this has nothing to do with what troubles me. Claiming like you did has no purpose. As town it was better to lie about certain things and to frame it better if you needed to claim.

 

 

I said BEsie looked like new town, did a 120 and voted Celeste to tie the wagons and give us the opportunity to lynch her. I am town.

You followed my case and agreed with it and then flipped on it. Possibly deciding that better to bus Celeste for more cred than secure a lynch on LHF Besie who was not likely to make it even another day.

 

Yeah I guess hypothetically a wolf could have done that too, but you're bsing. 

 

 

 

I said BEsie looked like new town, did a 120 and voted Celeste to tie the wagons and give us the opportunity to lynch her. I am town.

It's possible that both you and Turin are town this game *nods*

 

I look at his claim - it didn't make him come across as more town. Someone with a mind for details knows a busdriver claim has potential to backfire because they're thinking about it from the time they find out.  They think about how to portray it better. Only, if he is a wolf, it was his last resort or something close to. He took a gamble there. Turin was at l-2. I don't think he claims there as town if he does not need to leave, and even then I think he frames it different - probably says he is a transporter actually.

 

I didn't claim to come across as more town. I claimed because we had 1 hour left in the day and I knew I was town. I wanted to get my info out before I got lynched if that happened. Also, I knew I am town. Why should I not claim as town? It also gives mafia some pause about shooting because they have to worry about their shots coming back at them.  

 

Your argument is backwards. A wolf would try to sugar coat the claim to get people off for good. 

 

One hour is a lot of time. And to be clear I don't care that you claimed. I care about how you claimed and when you claimed because of what you claimed.  No a villager and a wolf both want to look good but a villager gives it more thought because a pr always has to claim.

 

 

 

Turin was the person who wouldn't get a joke even after it was explained to him, and Nyn lobbed him a softball.

 

You know, we can lynch Zander first. I am okay with that. But it would satiate my pride if Turin was a wolf and we had him for dinner tomorrow.

Explain how Nyn lobbed me a softball again? it doesn't make sense to me. I read much more like she was sussing me for not getting the "obvious" joke.

 

She refrained from going for your jugular tbh. She asked you a silly question about hey don't you know this is a joke? - it's pretty obvious ya? It wasn't even a real suss.

 

Pride goes before the fall. 

 

 

 

Your arguments make no sense Sili. 

 

 

I asked these questions previously but you didn't answer, so I'm gonna try again...

BTW, how did you determine that you were shot at?

Do you think that I got RB'ed or that someone actually shot at Dice?

What do you think either of these things mean? 

 

I don't like huge mqs that are in spoiler text that are difficult to respond to. I painted responses in blue once again. I don't like the stress. If you've responded by now to my analysis of your celeste iso I won't respond to that either.

 

I'm not going to answer the first one.

No idea what you mean by the second one.

No bloody idea.

 

I did not visit anyone last night.

 

Replies:

How does flip flopping change the fact that I did a 120?  Basically, now I'm just extrapolating, but what you're saying is because a thing is possible means it's just as likely as the simpler altenrative.

At the time it was unclear what would happen and mafia could have benefited either way so your trying to make yourself lock town over your actions is bad. Also it's a 180 not a 120. That's just a hard turn. 

I think you were trying to justify voting her after she got to L-2 and you realized you couldn't save her. I mean that is so obvious bussing I don't even. Leaving that massive investigation to the end of the day when the lynch is probably already decided, and pretending it's anything positive for you is wolfy af.

I went to look at it and try to find some info. I clearly explained yesterday that Dice was my first thought in part but I couldn't get to it until today because I had a life changing event happen yesterday. You may not know or care but I got my leave to remain in the UK yesterday and it is a huge thing to me. So I didn't do anything much last night and only got back on this morning. After catching up I saw that Celeste was basically the lynch of the day and went to look more at her. I didn't say my actions with regard to her made me more town. I said that her actions in regard to me made me more town. If you come to a different conclusion then show me how I'm really wrong. You are trying to shift the conversation so who is the one with an agenda here?  

Yeah, and that doesn't make you town... Might actually make you a wolf because wolves find it easier to bus and she started pushing you very late, which leads me to think she pushed you out of convenience after two days where she wasn't able to get a good push on anyone else.

Dud. She has been pushing me since before she was even a high lynch candidate. Check your facts. Look at her voting history.

Well Darthe said you were methodical. Taking that into account --- I remember noting that you said your views in a post after you claimed. If that's true, then that contradicts what you're saying about wanting to give the town some information, but beyond that you weren't yet in a position where your lynch could happen too quickly for you to respond.

 

 

No, I think you dying as town with purpose fits. You would probably do it as a wolf too if you'd do it as town - really very little difference. Regardless this has nothing to do with what troubles me. Claiming like you did has no purpose. As town it was better to lie about certain things and to frame it better if you needed to claim.

Again you don't know me. Darthe is a bit off in that characterization IMO. He even admitted that He doesn't have a real handle on me. So if you wanna try to blame Darthe later on about your reading me wrong go ahead. 

 

I very rarely lie about my role as town. I might not give all information but I very rarely lie and almost never completely fake. It just isn't part of my game. Ask someone if you feel the need.

 

Yeah I guess hypothetically a wolf could have done that too, but you're bsing.

So I could be right but I'm inherently wrong?? this is a deflection. 

One hour is a lot of time. And to be clear I don't care that you claimed. I care about how you claimed and when you claimed because of what you claimed.  No a villager and a wolf both want to look good but a villager gives it more thought because a pr always has to claim.

I'm old DM it is considered bad form to claim <1 hour prior to DL unless that person wasn't in the thread. Even then it gets sussed heavily. I think that you have played here enough to know that too. 

 

The votes were moving around. I saw that I was tied with Celeste (wolf BTW). I didn't know if I might get jumped on so I claimed and put out my info. The posts were consecutive if I recall correctly.

 

You are either clearly unaware of how I operate or are just pretending to so you can push me.  

She refrained from going for your jugular tbh. She asked you a silly question about hey don't you know this is a joke? - it's pretty obvious ya? It wasn't even a real suss.

Show me and we can talk more about it. 

 

Sorry Sili but you are either a wolf or really bad at this game. I think the former.

[Sili Quirrels]

turin's analysis is like my analysis 1.5 years ago, at least when he says she treated these two players similar, one of whom was town so the other one is probably town.

[Zander?]

spoilered her big post.

 

 

Part two of reread (I don't want to make a massive wall of text, so I'm breaking it up)

 

 

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Why is this a bad thing?

It isn't.

 

 

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Not sure what this mean; are you saying he should look from the inactive posters?  o.O

Euhm.... just lol.

We literally just played a game with him where he was town. What did he do? He tried to find out who the scum were. That's kinda the point, right? So that's the first part of my sentence.

Second part of the sentence is referring to, once again, the game we just played (and pretty much all mafia games ever). When someone is inactive it does not make them town. We are 15 people in this game atm. At that point in time like 5 people (#themathishard) were actively talking.

My post didn't say anything alignment - wise. It simply stated the obvious.

Which apparently isn't very obvious to you.

 

 

Your post about seph looking for wolves in the active players is still bugging me, and I clearly wasn't the only one that it bothered. Yes, you were pointing out the obvious. The question is why. What was the point of mentioning this? Of course he's going to look for scum in the active players.

1.)  Is it just looking at the active players though sometimes I find the inactive players need the same pushes active players get at times.

 

 

 

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Why is this a bad thing?

It isn't.

 

 

It's really cute how you always try to find the wolves between the actual active posters.

Not sure what this mean; are you saying he should look from the inactive posters? o.O

Euhm.... just lol.

We literally just played a game with him where he was town. What did he do? He tried to find out who the scum were. That's kinda the point, right? So that's the first part of my sentence.

Second part of the sentence is referring to, once again, the game we just played (and pretty much all mafia games ever). When someone is inactive it does not make them town. We are 15 people in this game atm. At that point in time like 5 people (#themathishard) were actively talking.

My post didn't say anything alignment - wise. It simply stated the obvious.

Which apparently isn't very obvious to you.

Your post about seph looking for wolves in the active players is still bugging me, and I clearly wasn't the only one that it bothered. Yes, you were pointing out the obvious. The question is why. What was the point of mentioning this? Of course he's going to look for scum in the active players.

What's the point of mentioning anything? Have you not been giving your opinion on random posts? Or are you just critisizing one of the few people that actually do? I do not think the same way you do. I look for reads in different places; in different ways.

And that, is what makes mafia work. We're supposed to work together and find the one person that everyone has as scum, albeit for different reasons. If you are completely against a vote because you don't like their reasoning, rather than having your own reasons for thinking them town? Then I have nothing to say to you.

  

2.) This makes me feel a bit better about Besie

 

The above post alone practically guarantees town elrick. Havent read up yet, just saw that and wanted to comment.

3.) I haven't played with Eldrick enough but how does that "guarantee" him?

 

 

 

1.) Wants to pressure inactives. I think this actually looks better for Seph. I doubt that she would be prodding him in particular for his pressuring people. 

 

2.) Earlier soft defending of a townie for raisins?? Obviously didn't think she would need to vote her later in the day to try to self pres. 

 

3.) This is the thing that really looks good for Eldrick IMO. I don't see her asking for additional clarification if he is a teammate. 

 

I dont see how that looks better for Eld.

[Sili Quirrels]

sorry turin, i think i'm done for now.

 

we can settle it at you're wrong and i'm right but i'm a bastard about it.

[Turin Turambar]

Isn't Dice's tone normal?

 

That's basically what my 30 page reread found. Man his tone was compelling to me. No idea if that's how I should be reading him, but he felt town quite a few times.

Said no wolf ever of a teammate.

 

It is literally the easiest way to give a thumbs up to a buddy as it requires no real evidence. 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Isn't Dice's tone normal?

 

That's basically what my 30 page reread found. Man his tone was compelling to me. No idea if that's how I should be reading him, but he felt town quite a few times.

Said no wolf ever of a teammate.

 

It is literally the easiest way to give a thumbs up to a buddy as it requires no real evidence. 

 

i think i quoted posts of his that i liked, but you're right in so far as i didn't really focus on him too much because i didn't find anything that pinged me.

[Zander?]

Isn't Dice's tone normal?

 

That's basically what my 30 page reread found. Man his tone was compelling to me. No idea if that's how I should be reading him, but he felt town quite a few times.

 

Agreed

 

But I still cant shake the sheeping part.

 

Thats really uncharacteristic of him imo.

[Sili Quirrels]

So I could be right but I'm inherently wrong?? this is a deflection.

 

hardly.

 

it's common sense actually.

[Eldrick4221]

I clearly missed something huge. Why is Darthe so cleared that we are talking about protecting him?

[Zander?]

Acceptable. Why do you think seph can be?

 

Thoughts on seph's drop off in activity?

[Eldrick4221]

I hate the gaps I have in the thread. I really need to sit down and read the whole thing.

 

Maybe I'll find time to do that tomorrow. It is my day off.

[Sili Quirrels]

Again you don't know me.

 

do i have to know you to make the claim that a particular action of yours fits with my understanding of you?

 

no.

 

i don't know if i know you well enough to make the more broad sweeping points about how you would claim, but i have nothing to replace it with.

[Eldrick4221]

Read tomorrow as later today. Friggin overnight shifts.

[Sili Quirrels]

I clearly missed something huge. Why is Darthe so cleared that we are talking about protecting him?

idk. he got to me.

[Zander?]

We haven't discussed eldrick. He ain't confirmed

 

Not a fan of agreeing with Darthe

 

But a lot of this.

[Zander?]

more Celsete.

 

 

 

Penneh Ive noticed youve gone anonymous this game....

 

Any particular reason....

Because I'm pretty much invisible mode on every site but dragonmount and forgot to start doing it until you mentioned me last game for lurking.

 

This is an interesting find by Z1.0 now. I still don't go with that stuff too much tho.

 

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

Here is her vote of me. If you look at it it is the only thing she actually follows up on. 

 

 

[V]Celeste [/v]

Choo choo

why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

 

Calls out Len for his vote even tho I think he had been sussing her earlier. Again she tries to steer the reasoning to something that she can try to defend or make excuses for.  

 

 

Did I miss a Mason claim somewhere? Can someone quote it/give me a post number to go find?

 

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

This all you got? Really? After that "catchup"?

omfg i'm still doing the reading. I don't really re-read much and have to alter my play for DM a bit. what more do you fudging want lenlo?

 

she get upset at Len here (or seems to). she said it was part two of her catchup and there wasn't another big post (I think) so The still reading thing looks faked. More town points for Len based on her dealing with him.

 

 

 

 

[V]Celeste [/v]

Choo choo

why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

 

What didnt notice this on reread? Also wheres the calling out Nyn one?

 

At first it was an experiment, which is why I didnt give reasons, since I was going to be in class for 3 hours. I wanted to see what would happen this close to deadline. 

Im not a fan of your catchup, your vote or tone.

 

what about Nyn? She had a reason for her vote as far as I see.  What about my tone or vote? Have you seen the push he is doing towards thane?

 

Note: this reads as subtle defense of Nyn(now Z2.0). immediately followed by deflection onto her Turin case. Possible Z connection there.  

 

Turin, Sili, and idk about the last one. 

Mafia tend to include one teammate in their sus list. No matter how few there are.

 

 

 

Ugh such a bad day today, I don't know what is wrong with what I have said this game compared to the rest. Lenlo saying I have no backing is kind of pathetic because It is a base line for reads.

Pathetic? Cant defend so go on the attack. Personal attack.

 

Base line for reads? What does that even mean? You were asked for a WTL and provided two names you had never spoken of or mentioned up to that point. As if they were pulled out of a hat. 

 

How is that a personal attack? I voted Turin, who I don't feel strongly about with his push of Thane. A mason is a risky claim and soft claim. Sili is more of a gut read.

 

continues the Turin push. Sili is only a gut read that she would be able to back away from easily. 

 

As for who I think is town, I have Seph and Besie as slight town. Zander makes me scratch my head as usual.

Seph, (unknown) Besie (town) that she had to vote later. Z(1.0 Town I think).

 

 

Len looks much better in this section. I do as well but I will leave that for others to weigh in about.

 

Sili and Z both question marks for me. 

 

finish last parts of this after I run an errand.

 

How can Sili be a question mark for you?

 

Other then Shad/Thane is most obv Town imo.

[Sili Quirrels]

At the time it was unclear what would happen and mafia could have benefited either way so your trying to make yourself lock town over your actions is bad. Also it's a 180 not a 120. That's just a hard turn

 

i was already lock town before the cred from celeste's flip, to everyone i think is town anyway.

 

of course mafia can benefit in various ways from certain things, but generally it's +ev for wolves to lynch the villager if the wolf counterwagon isn't exactly outed and you can do so without outing yourself, and it's exactly what they tend to do.

 

It was a 120 because I was still waffling even though I voted celeste. I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

[Zander?]

MoreCeleste 

 

 

hallia kind of escapes my radar. Not sure what it means.

This is equivalent to how she treated Z1.0. Both dead town. I think looks good for Eldrick.

 

 

I actually think I can trust sili so far as well

poe

dice

penneh could interchange her and darth and nyn somewhat

darthe

zander

Lenlo

Turin

 

 

Is it from top to bottom or vice versa?

 

Interesting. If it was from most likely mafia to least like I think then Seph has Dice, Celeste/Nyn (z 2.0)/Darthe s his prime suspects.

 

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

more wishy washy no read on Sili. Continues to push at me. 

 

Also did people notice Darthe didn't vote

throws shade at Darthe.

 

 

 

 

Darthe and Penny need to step up and they're probably both aware of it.  Nulls only live so long as there are scummy people about.

  

 

I'm not going to be posting as much as I usually do this game. I'm doing my best to keep up and contribute.

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

Elaborate on this please.

He said "if there is two kills that Besie is SK". How is he supposed to know that?

The only way thats TMI is if 

1) He is an SK

2) He is a Vig of some alignment, probably wolf as town wouldnt lead that on.

Or he's mafia. Either way it doesn't sit well with me.

 

More Turin push. At this point there was some chance of a Turin lynch. I don't think she pushes a teammate as a counter train. (I have the added benefit of knowing I'm town tho so there you go. I still think that argument with Len makes him look better too. 

 

[v]Turin[/v]

Vote me again...

 

 

Unless hes a Mafia Vig, then no its not TMI. Just being mafia doesnt mean he knows whether or not an SK is in the game.

It's still a possibility Lenlo, for we don't know much about the setup.

 

Mafia knows more about the setup than anyone else. So she is using a misrep in her Turin case.

 

Turin is being really TMI this whole game and his tone/back tracking comments are doing him much. Nobody has gotten an answer from him on why he thinks their is an SK. This setup is closed and mostly seen VT flips. I'm not sure on much except that Turin is being super scummy. 

 

Darthe is super null to me and doesn't really sit well with him saying little and not voting. I want him to answer these questions.

 

1. What are your top scum?
2. What do you think about besie compared with her other games? 

 

Lenlo is mostly giving complete BS for me being scum. I don't really understand it when it's basically my usual play.

More Turin push and more Lenlo arguing. More shade at Darthe.

All 3 looking better for me. Again make up your own minds about me. 

 

 

 

Eldrick, Seph, Lenlo and Darthe probably town. Unless this is a really impressive bus job. I don't see that tho. 

 

Current PoE for tomorrow for me is Sili,  Z2,  Dice.

 

Wait why is Sili in your PoE?

 

Didnt you switch him and Dice cause you were sussing Dice......