[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Eldrick4221]

The worst case scenario? Oh, you mean the one that happens 30% of the time. Another 50% of the time they get roleblocked jailkept or die in two days because of the claim because the doctor cannot help them forever.

 

This shouldn't have to be explained here. This is nonsense. The fact of the matter is you, without any knowledge of the set up besides some erroneous speculation wanted a pr to claim because - why exactly? for their benefit and just for their benefit when you don't even know if that might even be remotely true? not even to clear anything up?

 

wow.

 

and thane defended this i don't even know where to begin.

 

The thinking that led to my asking the question in the first place was that a SK wouldn't answer.

(Mind you, I was half asleep at the time)

 

I didn't stop to consider it. I have attempted to do so after the fact here. Why I think it would be a good idea for the vig to claim.

 

I'm clearly wrong in that aspect.

[Sili Quirrels]

He speculated that if there were 2 kills, Besie was SK.

There were 2 kills.

I pressured him for pssible TMI because he predicted 2 kills.

He denyed having a kill.

I asked if anyone would want to claim the kill.

He didn't.

 

Not even slightly illogical.

It would be, but unfortunately I have it in this order. You should probably correct me if I'm wrong.

 

~SK speculation /gambit?

~said the kill looked like a vig.

~Edlrick pressured him over tmi

~denied having tmi

~Eldrick asked if anyone would claim vig.

~denied kill.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

The worst case scenario? Oh, you mean the one that happens 30% of the time. Another 50% of the time they get roleblocked jailkept or die in two days because of the claim because the doctor cannot help them forever.

 

This shouldn't have to be explained here. This is nonsense. The fact of the matter is you, without any knowledge of the set up besides some erroneous speculation wanted a pr to claim because - why exactly? for their benefit and just for their benefit when you don't even know if that might even be remotely true? not even to clear anything up?

 

wow.

 

and thane defended this i don't even know where to begin.

 

The thinking that led to my asking the question in the first place was that a SK wouldn't answer.

(Mind you, I was half asleep at the time)

 

I didn't stop to consider it. I have attempted to do so after the fact here. Why I think it would be a good idea for the vig to claim.

 

I'm clearly wrong in that aspect.

 

if you are saying you are making stuff up after the fact, then this is pointless. You didn't think anything through. You pretending to have done so is insecure.

[Thane Vakarian]

guys, calm down a tad, ok?

[Eldrick4221]

I don't remember the thread talking about the possibility of a vig. I remember talk about turin mentioning the second kill.

 

I went back to look at the quote. It looked bad. I pressured him about it. Because it looked bad to me, that he was accusing someone else of being the potential second kill, I disregarded him being responsible for the kill from a town POV, namely a vig.

 

Therefore, if he WAS responsible, which I thought at the time, then it was an anti-town reason because he was trying to pin the kill on Besie.

[Sili Quirrels]

guys, calm down a tad, ok?

i am over it since i've come to my conclusion.

 

however, i was perfectly justified.

[Sili Quirrels]

I don't remember the thread talking about the possibility of a vig. I remember talk about turin mentioning the second kill.

 

I went back to look at the quote. It looked bad. I pressured him about it. Because it looked bad to me, that he was accusing someone else of being the potential second kill, I disregarded him being responsible for the kill from a town POV, namely a vig.

 

Therefore, if he WAS responsible, which I thought at the time, then it was an anti-town reason because he was trying to pin the kill on Besie.

Yeah I'm sure.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

guys, calm down a tad, ok?

i am over it since i've come to my conclusion.

 

however, i was perfectly justified.

 

alright

 

Now, can I ask you something? Who do you think looked worst EOD with the voting?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

The worst case scenario? Oh, you mean the one that happens 30% of the time. Another 50% of the time they get roleblocked jailkept or die in two days because of the claim because the doctor cannot help them forever.

 

This shouldn't have to be explained here. This is nonsense. The fact of the matter is you, without any knowledge of the set up besides some erroneous speculation wanted a pr to claim because - why exactly? for their benefit and just for their benefit when you don't even know if that might even be remotely true? not even to clear anything up?

 

wow.

 

and thane defended this i don't even know where to begin.

 

The thinking that led to my asking the question in the first place was that a SK wouldn't answer.

(Mind you, I was half asleep at the time)

 

I didn't stop to consider it. I have attempted to do so after the fact here. Why I think it would be a good idea for the vig to claim.

 

I'm clearly wrong in that aspect.

 

if you are saying you are making stuff up after the fact, then this is pointless. You didn't think anything through. You pretending to have done so is insecure.

 

Not making it up. Explaining why I thought a vig claiming would be a good idea. It's not. i get that.

 

You're right. I didn't think it through. I'm human.

 

Not thinking things through is not a scummy aspect.

[Sili Quirrels]

Celeste all the way.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

guys, calm down a tad, ok?

i am over it since i've come to my conclusion.

 

however, i was perfectly justified.

 

alright

 

Now, can I ask you something? Who do you think looked worst EOD with the voting?

 

The one that sticks out to me is Celeste. I'll look over it again.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

The worst case scenario? Oh, you mean the one that happens 30% of the time. Another 50% of the time they get roleblocked jailkept or die in two days because of the claim because the doctor cannot help them forever.

 

This shouldn't have to be explained here. This is nonsense. The fact of the matter is you, without any knowledge of the set up besides some erroneous speculation wanted a pr to claim because - why exactly? for their benefit and just for their benefit when you don't even know if that might even be remotely true? not even to clear anything up?

 

wow.

 

and thane defended this i don't even know where to begin.

 

The thinking that led to my asking the question in the first place was that a SK wouldn't answer.

(Mind you, I was half asleep at the time)

 

I didn't stop to consider it. I have attempted to do so after the fact here. Why I think it would be a good idea for the vig to claim.

 

I'm clearly wrong in that aspect.

 

if you are saying you are making stuff up after the fact, then this is pointless. You didn't think anything through. You pretending to have done so is insecure.

 

Not making it up. Explaining why I thought a vig claiming would be a good idea. It's not. i get that.

 

You're right. I didn't think it through. I'm human.

 

Not thinking things through is not a scummy aspect.

 

 

I think you thought it was a good idea. I don't think you cared about whether it actually worked out.

[Thane Vakarian]

Celeste all the way.

 

 

 

 

 

guys, calm down a tad, ok?

i am over it since i've come to my conclusion.

 

however, i was perfectly justified.

 

alright

 

Now, can I ask you something? Who do you think looked worst EOD with the voting?

 

The one that sticks out to me is Celeste. I'll look over it again.

 

Ya know guys? I think we have something to work with here. To be honest, I'm just waiting for D3 to start so we can get that train going again.

[Sili Quirrels]

It's a mistake you often make as a wolf. It's fine. Live and learn. You'll do better next time you dress up. :)

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm not sure about Celeste. But I am considering it again.

[Shad_]

Ok, we're going to look at two sequences of posts.

 

Exhibit A: Town!Zander's progression on Shad from initial point of suspicion to the backing off.

 

Points of Interest: Asks questions to understand my POV; when his perception of my thought process doesn't add up tells me it's sketching him out; ISOs me after conversation; considers meta; hesitant to trust my claim; points out where my actions might have a scummy agenda; backs off when I substantiate my claim through a meta-consistent method.

 

Things to Note: Many of these posts were in response to comments I made to others, not directly to him.  There was a claim involved.  You can also look at his approach to almost anyone else and draw parallels specifically in the style of interrogation and in the explanation of possible town and scum POVs

 

Exhibit B: Zander2's progression on Lenlo from sub-in to backing off.

 

Points of Interest: Starts out pointing out where the actions might have a scummy agenda; transitions to defending Lenlo's target and debating facts; draws inward on his thoughts and talks about how he's trying to see town and scum POVs rather than laying out what he thinks they are; suggests he's still just as suspicious at the end but stopped reflecting it in his speech a long time ago and never follows through by looking at Lenlo outside of the immediate conversation; backs off because he could be wrong.

 

Things to Note: Unlike the situation with me, this discussion revolves around a single ongoing conversation about one player's case on another. It's obviously going to take on a different structure. But it's limited to that. The fear never dies according to Zander's statements but it clearly dies in his presentation of those suspicions. Very little talk about why Lenlo might do what he's doing as town or scum, nothing in the way of classic Zander "I can see why this could be town but you have to understand why it bothers me" type posts. A lot of drifting away from his focus--discerning Lenlo's alignment--to defending his own town read. No talk of his past experiences playing with Lenlo or how he thinks town!Lenlo ought to think. Kind of just lets it drop even though he claims he thinks he might be on to something.

[Shad_]

Very wrong imo.

then why do it?

Why did you feel the need to add the bold?

Ok. Still dont get the Penny vibe tho.

Youre legit sketching me out.

What about them exactly?

If this is real and you just drew il Im straight up voting you now.

Didnt you just say last night or recently in Chtaz that all your Scum randing in 2016 was burning you out you from the energy you put in....

Meh

Thoughts on Thane?

 

I think you said you wanted to hear my response to Kiv irt Hallia, thoughts on that as well?

So youre only basing your read on Thane based on how he's reading/reacting to you?

I find it at least a little amusing your Top Town reads are me who you know is not ideal for Scum...well anyone really to push without it causing a big interaction and hence much more attention.

 

And Turin who you said always pushes you when youre either alignment.

 

I mean I know Im Town and obv Im not sure on Turin but these could be good reads but it could also be you not wanting to draw extra attention to yourself...

[v] Shad [/v]

 

glgl with that.

Just went through Shad's ISO.

 

I added the seph comment for context.

 

Anyone thinking a Shad/Thane Mason team makes sense still......

Shad do you know why I have trouble believing this?

Dude you know how you played Masons in Frozen. Nothing from your ISO leads me to believe that at all.

 

 

Dont blame others man take responsibility for your own actions and try to show me why im an idiot.

You know youre personal shots mean jack s@#$ to me right?

 

Why did you play the role differently this time?

 

You could just answer my question instead of whining.

Pretty quick and sharp change in Tone imo.

OK thats what I was looking for quote them ffs and Ill move on.

[Shad_]

He's being constant but I still disagree with the read.

Now that they both flipped Town, I dont see a reason for Scum!Besie to do that and draw the attention to herself. Makes no sense to me at all.

 

I feel like youre trying hard to paint a narrative here Lenlo.

 

Just because someone is good at robbing banks automatically means they would be a good cop???

 

Thats BS.

Convenient imo.

Im having serious trouble in believing Town!Lenlo CAN'T believe Besie CAN'T just be inexperienced Town.

 

Like it doesnt seem to be something he's even willing to factor in.

Dude when Im a Wolf I dont pay a lot of attention to what my partners do....unless Im behind the wheel of my bus.......

 

If people start calling things out and begin making comments that are either ignorant or perceived as ignorant do you think they might not react heatedly and in that case, wouldnt you say that thats more likely to come from a villager who cares less about how they are perceived as opposed to Scum.

I dont like this post about not liking the original post.

Lenlo shes never played Town....what are you trying to get at here?

How has she been wolfy BESIDES EoD iyo?

 

I think youre misreading that but Ill let her respond.

I was quoting Penny here, not sure why you felt the need to jump in.

I dont think I am.

 

I think youre not willing to consider the possibility youre wrong.

Nope

 

I think hes wrong about her alignment

 

And I dont think shes derping.

 

Thats 2 things.

But he said she was doing it deliberately.

What did I discount?

It makes more sense to me irt Besie from a Town!Besie perspective then a Scum!Besie one.

 

Im not even saying TWTBAW, Im saying I dont see Scum!Besie doing that.

Yes I am defending my Town read.

 

Deal.

Pretty sure I was D1 as well.

Whats your read on Turin Len?

What is your read on me Len?

Dude I think the one thing youre not accounting for whether on purpose or not is that she doesnt have the same feel or knowledge or experience for the game that you do.

 

And it's really bothering me that youre not taking that into account.

 

Youve said you are but youre posts/comments/rebuttals dont seem to indicate that to me at all.

Im voting him?

And I personally think youre trying to paint a narrative against her and that youre not adjusting for the fact you could be wrong.

 

Now Im just trying to decide if youre being stubborn and really just think youre right or if youre just going after what, if youre Scum would be a potentially easy mislynch if I'm correct on my read of her.

 

Well im not the only person seeing it, so this must be a mural with alot of painters if thats whats happening.

 

And Z, someone could be wrong about every read. But heres the deal. If I tell you "Your not adjusting for thefact you could be wrong, she could be a wolf!" your just going to tell me you dont think you are. Well heres the deal, I dont htink I am either. Theres only so much adjusting that can be done when you dont think your wrong.

I know youre not. But Ive explained my read thoughts on the matter.

 

And the second is the reason Im not voting you yet.

 

It should considering you comment on Besie buying the VT;s claim.

Im trying to decide if you just think youre right or are trying to push what seems like LFH.

[Shad_]

Look at the timing of how it. Look at how he transitions onto Turin as his top suspect. Look at the relative lack of prodding elsewhere. Look at all the confusion and minutia discussed in the closing hours.  Look at the immediate loss of interest in Turin after his claim.  Look at how he had nothing to say to me IRT saving Besie when I, his top town read, held the deciding vote. 

[Shad_]

Look at how loudly the scum!Besie proponents were shouting vs how Zander, the loudest player on Dragonmount, defended Besie when it really mattered.

[Shad_]

Come on people.

[Sili Quirrels]

no one's disagreeing. i think a lot of ppl have zander2.0 on their wtl because a lot of ppl agree with u.

[Sili Quirrels]

though not sure if they agree withy our arguments. have to wait and see, but i was willing to vote zander2.0 before you said anything so obviously i'm still there.

[Sili Quirrels]

goodnight goodluck.

[dicetosser1]

eld

 

 

Hey Shad can you get on this Dice/Darthe thing for a moment?  Does it look interesting?

About the only negative is that he didn't bring up the rebuttal I expected most.

The activity talk is benign because it's objectively wrong. Dice's activity is not even close to being outside of his town range and he can argue that all day whatever his alignment.

 

 

now im curious what you thought id say.  im betting its timezones. do i win a prize?

 

 

I haven't liked Turin at all. My PoE for now is Turin > Darthe > Zander 2.0. I regret switching to besie but it was out of self pres and nobody was going to trust me on Turin.

 

this struck me as fake.  i may be wrong. Can anyone confirm celeste indicated that it was for self presevation at the time?

 

 

 

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