MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

[Clovdyx]

 

 

It's confusing to me because...I won't say exactly what my thought is about the difference, but I wouldn't have made that assumption that he made. I just don't think I'd assume that someone who had heard I was a strong player had discussed me in THAT much detail. I realized when trying to make sense of his whole him-Celeste scenario and his phrasing that my issue with it probably has more to do with a difference in thinking style than a mindset slip.

 

doesn't say anything either way for his alignment. But just that I kind of think I get why I might perceive some of the things he says differently from how he might have intended them. I am starting to feel better about his play in the past 24 hours though.

 

 

Then why are you still on him?  Is he just the lesser of three evils at this point?  

 

Or greater of three non-evils, I suppose.

 

Yeah, pretty much. Either way. You and Calder being so sure of him in the beginning and me being less sure of my original read on Calder has a lot to do with it too.

 

I'm not really sure what the alternative is at this point.

 

 

.....I don't know what's going on in this thread.  You were very clearly talking about Calder with that post, and for some reason, I read the bottom as if were you talking about Seph, hence my question.  Sorry

 

I guess the conclusion was right anyway, though.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

 

I'd honestly rather lynch Zev today, because seriously, I don't care if he's new, this level of inactivity with this long of a phase just isn't helpful to town one way or the other and we'll be stuck trying to figure him out tomorrow. But I know I'll never get enough people to follow that philosophy. So for now.  I'm just going to watch and eat some popcorn and see how it all rolls out at the end of the day.

 

 

I think lynching Zev looks really good on you if he flips Scum but really bad on you if he flips Town,

 

Theres way too many active players for you not to have a Scum read you at least feel somewhat comfortable.

 

Also if he's Town I dont think we really gain anything from it other then sussing you tbqh.  Maybe some wolves jump on te train but maybe they dont if he's Town so I dunno, the cons outweigh the pros here imo.

 

Well sorry if I'm not Zander almighty

 

I've already explained why I think getting rid of deadweight on D1 in a null field is a good option. You just don't agree with it. So whatever. I don't care if he's town, if he's not active enough to get a read on and leaving him around to resolve later leads to mislynches and space for scum to hide behind, he's hurting town not helped.

 

And stop acting like I'm seriously pushing for a Zev lynch right now. I'm not.

 

And sorry I yelled at you, but this is one of the things that annoys me about your play *sigh*

[seph]

So can people here give me your opinion before deadline.

 

Who fo you think looks bad when I flip town?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Can I get him to answer first?

 

Its prolly nothing but I just wanna kick the tires on this and see.

 

 

You don't know my life. 

 

 

I also dont know what you mean here either.

 

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You were giving me attitude for what I thought was a pretty reasonable question, so I was making a snarky comment back, Zander.  

[Lizabeth]

So can people here give me your opinion before deadline.

 

Who fo you think looks bad when I flip town?

It depends on whether or not Celeste is town.

[seph]

 

So can people here give me your opinion before deadline.

Who fo you think looks bad when I flip town?

 

It depends on whether or not Celeste is town.

That's kind of evading the question. Regardless celeste will be here tomorrow, so your going to have to figure it out without that info anyways

[Zander?]

@ zander. I already explained it to you, but I'll go in a bit more detail.

Thanes beginning had good tone, and was excitable which was refreshing to see. I didn't want to put him in my list because he said he would be back soon and I wanted to see what I thought when he did.

 

Also zander we know you can't see dirt in Canada, there is only snow and ice

 

 

Also he said tires nit dirt lol me

 

#thereadingishard

 

But you called him Town in your very first post.  If you thought he was and liked him from the beginning i dont see why him not being back and posting changes that.  You also justified having him there afterward which felt weird.

 

I guess what Im getting at is a similar type thing with Eldrick in the infamous Triple Cop Claim game. (sorry forget the name)  Eldrick jumped in and joke voted Thane (who turned out to be his scum mate) then switched it saying he read the game list wrong or something and voted Turin.

 

It was a like subconscious move he made and iirc I called it out.later on,

 

I may be grasping at straws here but a seph Scum flip will make me look hard at Thane.  Like in Eldrick's case he was awkward and didnt really know how to handle his teammate

 

I guess this is only remotely relevant if we see a Scum!seph flip and really not sure it r means anything at all.

[seph]

Well then it is relevant at all lol

[Zander?]

Well sorry if I'm not Zander almighty

 

 

I've already explained why I think getting rid of deadweight on D1 in a null field is a good option. You just don't agree with it. So whatever. I don't care if he's town, if he's not active enough to get a read on and leaving him around to resolve later leads to mislynches and space for scum to hide behind, he's hurting town not helped.

 

And stop acting like I'm seriously pushing for a Zev lynch right now. I'm not.

 

And sorry I yelled at you, but this is one of the things that annoys me about your play *sigh*

 

 

WTF?

 

You talk about lynching Zev like multiple times.  I wasnt questioning the validity of your reasons only on what I thought the outcomes would be.

 

What is your problem?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Can I get him to answer first?

 

Its prolly nothing but I just wanna kick the tires on this and see.

 

 

You don't know my life. 

 

 

I also dont know what you mean here either.

 

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You were giving me attitude for what I thought was a pretty reasonable question, so I was making a snarky comment back, Zander.  

 

 

????

 

I was being nice and letting you know I wanted seph to answer first to see what if anything shook loose?

 

Im sorry you read it that way it wasnt my intention.

 

Why are people jumping down my throat ffs?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

@ Liz current thoughts?

Current thoughts..I'll give you some.

 

 

Basically I'm glad to see that there's some actual movement going on. I'm sticking by my Celeste read.

 

Sili...I don't think I'm ever going to get a clear coherent answer that I can wrap my head around from Sili. I've had him as a town read for most of the game in part  because he keeps pushing things that don't make sense in ways that don't make sense, but he's so damn confident about it every time he reminds me of other players that I used to consistently read as scum for doing that and then later found out they were town (like Penny, ironically enough). But, I'm also considering that he may be derpwolfing, like the scumbuddy of yours that I gave a pass to  when graveyarding in Chris' game. I don't want to lynch him today, but I want to see what he (and Calder) does at the end of the day if the lynch wagons are evened up. I'm actually considering switching my vote over to Celeste just for that....but I think it's too risky at this point...I'll let it play out.

 

Seph...I honestly don't know about Seph. Like I said, I had him as a town read for most of this phase, but then he's done weird stuff with weird reasoning, but then he comes out sounding so town in his tone.

 

I'd honestly rather lynch Zev today, because seriously, I don't care if he's new, this level of inactivity with this long of a phase just isn't helpful to town one way or the other and we'll be stuck trying to figure him out tomorrow. But I know I'll never get enough people to follow that philosophy. So for now.  I'm just going to watch and eat some popcorn and see how it all rolls out at the end of the day.

 

So seph is light town like I assumed. So you voted a townread, however light, just to get the game moving because no one was going with your scumread on calder or zev. I got those scumreads right, correct?

 

And you don't know about me or Calder, so you'll vote Celeste just to see reactions, even though you already have plenty of reactions. So you're throwing darts to see which one sticks. Maybe if you vote Celeste one of us will vote Celeste too and then we can see what she flips?

 

So you think she could be a wolf?

 

So tl;dr your pov is you don't know about anyone, so you'll vote whoever. Sounds concrete.

 

 

Meh, I'm not seriously considering moving over to Zev. I'm just annoyed at his blatant disregard for the game and the fact that we'll still have to clear his slot tomorrow. I will be SUPER pissed if both Celeste and Seph are town. But yeah, that's why my games will always have minimum post requirements. Makes me a happier mod...

 

 

As for the blue...do you think I should?

 

 

I dont really mind that you misunderstand what i meant about you and celeste since that is my fault. Ive also been all over the place so i dont mind the omgus.

 

I took it that you said calder was a really good player and you expected more and when calder said you had the wrong idea and said it was not a secret he was a bad player you went on a tangent about how he was weird to expect understanding which you had implied.

I didn't OMGUS you. And if I misunderstood, then please explain yourself more clearly please. You have the floor.

 

 

 

 

Sorry for the nested quotes but something happened and I may as well respond here.

 

You definitely do omgus me. You do it when you say I could be derpwolfing. When I refered to your interaction with Penny, I am refering to the original sequence of posts which started with Celeste overreacting and ended with you suggesting Celeste knows you are town.

 

In that sequence you fos Celeste first and then say it is her job to prove to you she is town, like you had some sort of reason to vote her (even though we both know you didn't because you weren't tunneling her - which is why we say Celeste was overreacting), and then you make up reasons to push her like Celeste is overreacting and Celeste knows you're town. And I am pretty sure you weren't the one to notice how Celeste was treating you, but that is neither here or there. Fact is you created a self-fulfilling prophecy (Since you def. have history with Penny) and you did not desire to inform anyone that your initial vote was for reactions which points to a lack of openness and a desire to fos someone like Penny for its own sake.

 

 

Now as to your current view on the current wagons: you say seph is perhaps town and you said celeste was def. town, and nothing contradicts the fact you think celeste is town except your admission you would like to lynch her next to seph, and then you go after zev.

 

Zev is busy and I do not fault him for not being here right now. -__-

 

So... Seph was your weakest town read so you voted him in order to generate real wagons one of which was likely going to be celeste who you are sure is town?

 

 

Sort of. But not quite.

 

No one was going to vote for Calder. I obviously had questions about Calder's alignment. Seph wasn't helping his case with his more recent play in the thread, so I decide to test the theory of what if Calder and Chris were right and I was missing something.  I'm also a practical kind of gal. No clear wagon means scum gets to hide. Clear wagons mean people have to step up to the plate and be accounted for. Sitting around with 2, 2, 1, 1 makes no sense and no one was going to vote Zev with me, so yeah. I made the choice to see what would happen if there was a clear lead wagon, especially after Seph jumped off of Calder leaving me stranded with an inactive on that wagon.

 

An inactive who I will again point out just left his vote at the start of the day and never followed up to make sure it didn't actually cause a problem at the end of the day...but meh, I won't beat that dead horse anymore.

 

 

 

I summed it up above too, but to do it more eloquently rn, you were impartial to the wagons and wanted to get the game moving so you conceded to the apparent desire of the town to lynch between two players you thought could be or even were likely to be town.

 

Okay. I am going to note that.

[Clovdyx]

 

So can people here give me your opinion before deadline.

Who fo you think looks bad when I flip town?

 

 

 

So can people here give me your opinion before deadline.

Who fo you think looks bad when I flip town?

It depends on whether or not Celeste is town.

 

 

 

 

So can people here give me your opinion before deadline.
Who fo you think looks bad when I flip town?

It depends on whether or not Celeste is town.

That's kind of evading the question. Regardless celeste will be here tomorrow, so your going to have to figure it out without that info anyways

 

 

I was going to say it depends whether YOU really are town, myself...

 

But just to give you an answer, Celeste and Lainey are the two I'm looking at the hardest.

[Lizabeth]

 

 

So can people here give me your opinion before deadline.

Who fo you think looks bad when I flip town?

It depends on whether or not Celeste is town.

That's kind of evading the question. Regardless celeste will be here tomorrow, so your going to have to figure it out without that info anyways

 

No, it's not.

 

I believe that Celeste is town. If i'm right and you're being honest here and it's a town vs. town wagon, it makes things less clear and we go back to the issue of we have inactive nulls and strong player nulls that need to be cleared.

 

Obviously Chris was one of the early wagon leads on you, but I have a hard time seeing him as scum at this point based on the last 24 hours even if you flip town.

 

Calder has looked townie to me in the last 24 hours too. Out of the two of them I'd probably look at him again the closest.

 

But as for everyone else, it's almost a wash because obviously no one was trying to save a scumbuddy between the two of you if you're both town.

 

But if he is scum and you're town then you don't get to complain since you're the one who jumped off his lynch in the first place

 

 

If I'm wrong and Celeste is scum...her being scum would be weird for the reasons Chris said, unless she and Chris are scumbuddies and have 24 hour chat and I will hate him forever if that turns out to be true (I won't really chris, but I'll be soooo grrrrr! lol)

 

I have thoughts on other people that don't really amount to much if you don't flip scum, so I'll be starting from scratch (which I guess is back at Calder) if you flip town.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

Can I get him to answer first?

 

Its prolly nothing but I just wanna kick the tires on this and see.

 

 

You don't know my life. 

 

 

I also dont know what you mean here either.

 

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You were giving me attitude for what I thought was a pretty reasonable question, so I was making a snarky comment back, Zander.  

 

 

????

 

I was being nice and letting you know I wanted seph to answer first to see what if anything shook loose?

 

Im sorry you read it that way it wasnt my intention.

 

Why are people jumping down my throat ffs?

 

 

Maybe I took it wrong then.  I assumed you were doing that thing I do where I jump down people's throats when they answer my questions that are directed at people besides them.  

[Sili Quirrels]

We can lynch Zev tomorrow if he still hasn't showed up and he doesn't have a replacement.

[Sili Quirrels]

I have proven my towniness. I realize that some here don't get that because you are thinking types and you don't relate to me very well, but I have shown it for a while now.

[seph]

Sili is gana run this town into the ground yo.

Look it rhymed

[Lizabeth]

 

Well sorry if I'm not Zander almighty

 

 

I've already explained why I think getting rid of deadweight on D1 in a null field is a good option. You just don't agree with it. So whatever. I don't care if he's town, if he's not active enough to get a read on and leaving him around to resolve later leads to mislynches and space for scum to hide behind, he's hurting town not helped.

 

And stop acting like I'm seriously pushing for a Zev lynch right now. I'm not.

 

And sorry I yelled at you, but this is one of the things that annoys me about your play *sigh*

 

 

WTF?

 

You talk about lynching Zev like multiple times.  I wasnt questioning the validity of your reasons only on what I thought the outcomes would be.

 

What is your problem?

 

Yes, I talked about lynching him multiple times. But I'm not talking about trying to wagon him at the end of day.

 

My problem is that you were questioning me like I was saying "Let's lynch Zev now!"

 

I was saying "Yeah, I wish we could, but that's not going to happen"

 

And you keep going "what would that prove" when I've said a ridiculous number of times how I think it would benefit town. So I'm saying fine - you disagree. Stop asking me explain to you AGAIN something that i've already explained. We disagree. I accept that. I'm not going to convince you, you're not going to convince me. If I were tyring to push for Zev's lynch at this moment in time, then yeah - that would be the time to revisit it. But I'm not. So why are you stirring that pot again?

 

That's where my ire is coming from, because I feel like you've done stuff like that repeatedly all day.

[Sili Quirrels]

Can't change who I am you know.

 

Plus I don't think I care enough to even if I could.

 

I am me. I am very proud of me in some respects.

[Sili Quirrels]

Sili is gana run this town into the ground yo.

Look it rhymed

 

 

So i am town now. Cool.

[Sili Quirrels]

I mean that in the most, omg you are a wolf lol, way possible.

[seph]

? Where did I call you town lol

[Calder]

Liz wanna join the anti-Sili camp?

[Sili Quirrels]

? Where did I call you town lol

When you said I'd run the town into the ground. Well no one is listening to me so I only have my own vote, so therefore my vote must be a town vote in order to run it into the ground.

 

 

[Zander?]

VC?