MAFIA KART WII [BASIC] - Mafia Sweep

[Lizabeth]

If your scum Celeste, my entire vision falls apart. Me and you have to both be town for my scenario to be even remotely close. I think you are though. Because me, you, and Zev are the top 3 possibilities in the current game state (which scum would not want to evolve).

And the wording of this statement...does not..sit...right...with....me....

[Sili Quirrels]

 

so your only concern with my post was me calling you scum for that? if that's the case your initial reaction seems a bit much. "before I rip your head off"

I don't have a read one way or another. You have had some very towny posts, but yea the way your focusing on me concerns me a bit. just my opinion.

 

It has nothing...okay, it has very little...to do with the fact that it's me.  Because it wasn't just me, it was also IR.  Your post suggests that people who townread you are likely coming from a TMI angle and a very large percentage of you've done this game is fight with people who push you while ignoring/writing off the people who have you as town.

 

What you say doesn't match with what you've done.

 

Right, not saying I disagree, but this sort of depends on what a player wants to focus on - what they think is more important.

 

Incidentally, Seph what are your reads?

[seph]

 

so your only concern with my post was me calling you scum for that? if that's the case your initial reaction seems a bit much. "before I rip your head off"

I don't have a read one way or another. You have had some very towny posts, but yea the way your focusing on me concerns me a bit. just my opinion.

 

It has nothing...okay, it has very little...to do with the fact that it's me.  Because it wasn't just me, it was also IR.  Your post suggests that people who townread you are likely coming from a TMI angle and a very large percentage of you've done this game is fight with people who push you while ignoring/writing off the people who have you as town.

 

What you say doesn't match with what you've done.

 

could be coming from tmi. and that's because I just stopped playing. I'm very competitive, so it is never easy for me to just joke around half the game but I let things get to me way to often. side effect of playing emotionally i guess.

I'm not giving up despite the fact I would rather just quit this game.  I have just lost any whim.

 

good talk

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

so your only concern with my post was me calling you scum for that? if that's the case your initial reaction seems a bit much. "before I rip your head off"

I don't have a read one way or another. You have had some very towny posts, but yea the way your focusing on me concerns me a bit. just my opinion.

 

It has nothing...okay, it has very little...to do with the fact that it's me.  Because it wasn't just me, it was also IR.  Your post suggests that people who townread you are likely coming from a TMI angle and a very large percentage of you've done this game is fight with people who push you while ignoring/writing off the people who have you as town.

 

What you say doesn't match with what you've done.

 

could be coming from tmi. and that's because I just stopped playing. I'm very competitive, so it is never easy for me to just joke around half the game but I let things get to me way to often. side effect of playing emotionally i guess.

I'm not giving up despite the fact I would rather just quit this game.  I have just lost any whim.

 

good talk

 

 

why did you lose whim?

[Darthe]

 

@Clov

 

Curious to your significant progress line. I understand no more votes have come in, but I think the argument has progressed and I think there is an odd lack of defense that is strange.

 

Interesting that outsiders are not weighing in.

I don't know. I think you're right about Seph being mafia. I've explained why. But there is a little hesitation that you basically went there in RVS and haven't needed to shift off. It's entirely possible, and maybe even probable at this point, that you happened to get it right but it gives me just a minor amount of pause.

@ clov. I am twisting narrative? you are literally picking apart everything I say to fit your narrative, your only viewing it from your perspective. and I just don't really care anymore.

 

also this is the last thing I am going to say involving calder.

1. I like the guy, he seems pretty cool.

2. I absolutely Hate his mafia play style. It is honestly gotten better this game, but he seems like a anti town player from what clov and others have said. So basically he plays like this, claims mafia as town to benefit himself when he is mafia. All it does is hurt the town.

 

two was a bit of speculation, because I obviously don't know the guy and his play this game has gotten better since I dropped off.

His last few game related posts have felt more town orientated, though the ones about the scum leader, or being one of the main voices is null.

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I don't think I'm picking apart everything you say at all. First, I'm pretty sure I pointed a couple things yesterday that I actually didn't have any issue with you saying. Your push on IR based on him not really 'solving', when you have no idea about his playstyle, for example. I think there's a very reasonable chance that you would come to that conclusion as town. So right off the bat, I think you're wrong there.

 

Secondly, you weren't even here for the past 24 hours, so it's not like you've really given me much else to look at.

 

Bold - I wouldn't refute this, even if I wanted to. Mixed feelings on the playstyle as a whole...he and I have had that debate on multiple occasions, and we both have a mutual understanding on where the other is coming from. I don't see a need in getting into it again.

 

So if you're feeling better about him, where's your head at now?

@calder- I don't think I have ever played with someone, and they not think I was scum when I am town. So I want to go back and look at people defending me. I say whats on my mind, without any second thoughts.

the only people this game who I actually would not find me suspicious for my play is darthe, and alanna. possibly zander, but he isn't the best at reading me. I thought clov, but apparently that isn't the case.

maybe he is just mafia

Explain to me where you're going with this. Because I know what my initial response to this post was, and it's very hard to not rip your head off for it, but for reasons I don't understand I'm going to give you a chance to clarify before I "twist your words to fit my narrative."

 

This is a super town post

[Lizabeth]

Did Liz just win the internets?

[Calder]

 

Spacing this bc on my phone and I think I messed up the quote. Your hesitant bc I came out of the gate against him? Is that me understanding you right.

 

I mean I did the same thing against Dicetosser with my first post in my previous game on here. And was right. You may come back and say yea but her was your teammate. To which I will respond - I started playing before checking the scumchat lol to see who my teammates were.

 

I'm a little hesistant, not because you came out of the gate against him.  I couldn't care less about that.  What concerns me is that you're still there.  Part of it makes sense to me because I absolutely think he IS a good lynch candidate today.  But I have to wonder if maybe you started pushing him for distancing and then couldn't really work your way off, or maybe I'm just playing a really bad game.

 

In any case, I'm not trying to insinuate you're mafia.  I don't think you are.  I'm trying to explain why I'm not more confident in my read about you.

 

 

I have always been a decisive man. Ask my wife :). When I find something that is right I am not going to stop bc it is the first thing I found. 

[Clovdyx]

 

 

so your only concern with my post was me calling you scum for that? if that's the case your initial reaction seems a bit much. "before I rip your head off"

I don't have a read one way or another. You have had some very towny posts, but yea the way your focusing on me concerns me a bit. just my opinion.

 

It has nothing...okay, it has very little...to do with the fact that it's me.  Because it wasn't just me, it was also IR.  Your post suggests that people who townread you are likely coming from a TMI angle and a very large percentage of you've done this game is fight with people who push you while ignoring/writing off the people who have you as town.

 

What you say doesn't match with what you've done.

 

could be coming from tmi. and that's because I just stopped playing. I'm very competitive, so it is never easy for me to just joke around half the game but I let things get to me way to often. side effect of playing emotionally i guess.

I'm not giving up despite the fact I would rather just quit this game.  I have just lost any whim.

 

good talk

 

 

....the hell did I do?  

[Calder]

 

If your scum Celeste, my entire vision falls apart. Me and you have to both be town for my scenario to be even remotely close. I think you are though. Because me, you, and Zev are the top 3 possibilities in the current game state (which scum would not want to evolve).

And the wording of this statement...does not..sit...right...with....me....

 

 

Both have to be town. As in it can't just be me or none of that is right. 

[Darthe]

 

Expanding on that above. My thought is that the thread state is odd. It has the feel of an experienced led scum team playing off and allowing town to have its own bad day 1. So if that is the case what does it suggest.

 

 

Point 1:

 

1 of the following group, but unlikely more than 1, is scum:

 

Liz

Sili

Clov

 

Given that there is no clear direction I would say the most vocal voice is most likely town (being allowed to assume the role). That would be Liz. So scum thread leader would be Sili or Clov for me. To risky to lynch either one obviously, but I like to keep track of who is in charge.

 

Point 2:

 

Although there is not enough thread play to suggest it right now, Darthe is almost certainly town in retrospect. Strong thread presence that town does not seem to have. Would leave me to bet he is a semi safe person to trust. As I feel town is down a voice right now.

Can you explain that last comment about Darthe a bit? Why is he almost certainly strong in retrospect? Are you saying he's a strong thread presence, because I'm struggling to remember much of what he's done...(no offence, Darthe).

 

(catching up so sorry if this has been asked and answered, but if it hasn't been, please answer. kthx!)

No offense taken #youwillregretthis

[seph]

. Darthe  Town
4. Sili Quirrels- Town, I don't see how sili is mafia this game. if he is kudos
3. Zander- zander was pushing celeste on a few things I noticed, and I liked a few things he and alanna talked about. I had him as a stronger town read despite the tunnel.
10. Lizabeth- town- I would look at liz more carefully if i had time.
7. alannalynn-slight town

5. Zevrynne-derp. if caldur is mafia then town
6. Calder-meh want to lean town from a few posts. but meh
8. Clovdyx having a hard time reading him. He is down here just from poe
2. Thane Vakarian
2. Hallia  I suck at reading her- null
11. Celeste- I remember having alot of issues with her tone, and I like some of the points zander brought up.


I don't think i am ever lynching darthe sili or zander this game

[seph]

I would lynch from the bottom- those are in no order

[Calder]

 

Expanding on that above. My thought is that the thread state is odd. It has the feel of an experienced led scum team playing off and allowing town to have its own bad day 1. So if that is the case what does it suggest.

 

 

Point 1:

 

1 of the following group, but unlikely more than 1, is scum:

 

Liz

Sili

Clov

 

Given that there is no clear direction I would say the most vocal voice is most likely town (being allowed to assume the role). That would be Liz. So scum thread leader would be Sili or Clov for me. To risky to lynch either one obviously, but I like to keep track of who is in charge.

 

Point 2:

 

Although there is not enough thread play to suggest it right now, Darthe is almost certainly town in retrospect. Strong thread presence that town does not seem to have. Would leave me to bet he is a semi safe person to trust. As I feel town is down a voice right now.

Can you explain that last comment about Darthe a bit? Why is he almost certainly strong in retrospect? Are you saying he's a strong thread presence, because I'm struggling to remember much of what he's done...(no offence, Darthe).

 

(catching up so sorry if this has been asked and answered, but if it hasn't been, please answer. kthx!)

 

 

No it was kind of the opposite (he is not currently a big thread presence). With Darthe being limited in D1 posting and the town being disjointed I couldn't see a pairing of Darthe-Clov or Darthe-Sili, which I was discussing in the context of those posts.

[Darthe]

I wish people who threatened to quit without being personally attacked would get mkd for doing so.

[seph]

@ clov- just keep playing your game bro, its fine lol. I am trying to get back into it today no worries.

robin has tonight off and tomorrow so im going to be mia mostly. Ill try to keep up and answer anything directed @ me

[Sili Quirrels]

I wish people who threatened to quit without being personally attacked would get mkd for doing so.

 

Suck it up?

[Sili Quirrels]

I say that with all the irony that is apparent of course.

[Lizabeth]

 

To all: if you haven't read the player conduct guidelines, do so now. I will absolutely enforce them harshly.

 

-- Mr. Mod

 

I dont wanna come off weird but assertive Yoshi is kinda sexy imo.

 

 

 

I can read myself town for AtE and read Hallia wolf for AtE and justify this rather easily.

Guys why are you accepting this like it's standard, or even acceptable, town behavior?

 

 

If it was just about anyone else besides Sili prolly not.  Im admittedly not the best SIli reader.

 

 

 

 

Clov I will utter no words about you still being alive if it gets to d3 and you're around and I'm being stupid. I promise.

 

I will.

 

 

Calder's the best I've got to go on right now. I wouldn't be shocked if he flipped town, seeing as most of the people whose reads I have faith in (basically you and Lainey) have him as null, but no one seems to have him as a strong town. So that's the best I've got.

 

Did I just quote a post of yours a few back where you said Zev was your best bet?

 

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I don't think so...? I've said that Calder is my best bet and Zev is a no show I wouldn't mind having cleared, but I'm not going to fight about lynching lurkers on D1 because I've done that way too many times on my own site with no real traction. So for now, Calder it is.

 

 

You did.

 

I quoted it, you should have seen it on your catch up.

 

This again makes me wonder if youre reading my posts, or just interpreting with a bias cause of your read on me.  I think youre Town and genuinely trying to figure me out but i dont have any Meta on you so it still leaves me with a little seed of doubt.

 

If I'm wrong on Penny I will look at you in a bit of a different light.

 

I mean you likely know Penneh's game the best and have the most experience with her, and could just be right about her.

 

You could just be white knighting her as either alignment.

 

Or you could be Scum and know her alignment already,

 

The last is least likely imo.

 

Meh, I don't reread my quotes in detail when I'm reading your response. So I don't recall wording things like that. I might have but you'll have to show me (cause I'm lazy).

 

In any case, I'll clarify what I mean and meant. and what I've been trying to say for a while.

 

As a general rule if it comes down to no better choices, I'd rather risk mislynching an inactive null than mislynching an active null. People tend not to agree with me on this policy (except for Clov ), so Calder is my best bet for a lynch on someone I'd like to get cleared up at the moment. I also see him as my strongest scum read aand Zev is just...there's no info. Although I find it scummy that he would random vote at the start of the day and then leave.

 

You want to drum up a lynch wagon on Zev and I might consider joining it. But right now my vote stays on Calder .

 

I could be wrong on Penny, but I don't think I am. You admitted you don't understand her thinking. I've known her long enough to have developed some insight into her thinking, even if I might not always agree with it. So you can try to convince other people, but I'm not voting her today (bar some kind of obvious scum play from her).

 

What do you think of her push on Darthe?

[seph]

I wish people who threatened to quit without being personally attacked would get mkd for doing so.

I never said I Was going to quit. ffs.

back to anime lol

[seph]

 

 

To all: if you haven't read the player conduct guidelines, do so now. I will absolutely enforce them harshly.

 

-- Mr. Mod

 

I dont wanna come off weird but assertive Yoshi is kinda sexy imo.

 

 

 

I can read myself town for AtE and read Hallia wolf for AtE and justify this rather easily.

Guys why are you accepting this like it's standard, or even acceptable, town behavior?

 

 

If it was just about anyone else besides Sili prolly not.  Im admittedly not the best SIli reader.

 

 

 

 

Clov I will utter no words about you still being alive if it gets to d3 and you're around and I'm being stupid. I promise.

 

I will.

 

 

Calder's the best I've got to go on right now. I wouldn't be shocked if he flipped town, seeing as most of the people whose reads I have faith in (basically you and Lainey) have him as null, but no one seems to have him as a strong town. So that's the best I've got.

 

Did I just quote a post of yours a few back where you said Zev was your best bet?

 

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I don't think so...? I've said that Calder is my best bet and Zev is a no show I wouldn't mind having cleared, but I'm not going to fight about lynching lurkers on D1 because I've done that way too many times on my own site with no real traction. So for now, Calder it is.

 

 

You did.

 

I quoted it, you should have seen it on your catch up.

 

This again makes me wonder if youre reading my posts, or just interpreting with a bias cause of your read on me.  I think youre Town and genuinely trying to figure me out but i dont have any Meta on you so it still leaves me with a little seed of doubt.

 

If I'm wrong on Penny I will look at you in a bit of a different light.

 

I mean you likely know Penneh's game the best and have the most experience with her, and could just be right about her.

 

You could just be white knighting her as either alignment.

 

Or you could be Scum and know her alignment already,

 

The last is least likely imo.

 

Meh, I don't reread my quotes in detail when I'm reading your response. So I don't recall wording things like that. I might have but you'll have to show me (cause I'm lazy).

 

In any case, I'll clarify what I mean and meant. and what I've been trying to say for a while.

 

As a general rule if it comes down to no better choices, I'd rather risk mislynching an inactive null than mislynching an active null. People tend not to agree with me on this policy (except for Clov ), so Calder is my best bet for a lynch on someone I'd like to get cleared up at the moment. I also see him as my strongest scum read aand Zev is just...there's no info. Although I find it scummy that he would random vote at the start of the day and then leave.

 

You want to drum up a lynch wagon on Zev and I might consider joining it. But right now my vote stays on Calder .

 

I could be wrong on Penny, but I don't think I am. You admitted you don't understand her thinking. I've known her long enough to have developed some insight into her thinking, even if I might not always agree with it. So you can try to convince other people, but I'm not voting her today (bar some kind of obvious scum play from her).

 

What do you think of her push on Darthe?

 

with how you have been posting about penny lately, the earlier fiasco I think could be a good chance at distancing. If the time comes for that tinfoil

[Darthe]

I say that with all the irony that is apparent of course.

Fair enough :)

[Darthe]

This is day one the time for a tin foil will not come today

[seph]

This is day one the time for a tin foil will not come today

I might not be here past day 1, So i wanted to post it

[Clovdyx]

I meant to address this earlier, but between EoD in the game I'm modding and becoming increasingly annoyed at...other things...I got distracted.

 

Liz- Only thing I dont like is that she seems to be reading me with a bias irt to my posts and content but that may just be the fact that she's legit trying to read me.  Other then that she's been the most Towny thus far imo.  I think a lot of what she does has reasoning

 

Darthe- Have agreed with a fair bit of what he's had to say.  I also think with a lot of the back and forths irt to Sili, Celsete. seph, Calder and myself Scum!Darthe had an opportunity to jump on someone and it wouldnt look bad.  That being said I've only seen Darthe Scum in Cory's offsote game where I was a Maf DOc Ghost and he missed of D1 and he exterminated me...and I didnt pay all that much attention to him.

Lainey- As with Liz I like the fact that she seems to be legit trying to read my slot correctly and not wanting to make the same mistake as in Shad's game.  She's been engaged and involved.

 

Clov- Clov seems to be looking at things from all angles and weighing in on things.  Im sure he could do that as either alignment and Clov is obv very likely able to fool me.  But he hasnt dont anything to ping me.  If Clov is still alive come D2-3 ill be very suspect of him.  Im sure he'll love that last comment but its certainly something Ill be looking at.

Hallia- Hasnt been obv Town yet but Ive no problem with her content and I know she's busy in RL, her frustration with Sili felt very genuine to me.

 

 

Calder- Nothing's pinged me but I dont know how to read Calder so Im gonna need some more to go off of to formulate a read.  Havent hated his more recent stuff. 

 

Sili- I disagree with almost everything he's said but I also cant see how Scum!Sili takes this approach.

 

Thane- Liked his reads list but need more.  Thane's evolved his game so not as easy a read as he used to be,

Zev- Nothing to go off of.

 

seph- Strongish start but later when I read his posts they're just kinda blah.  Dont like his Calder reasoning and havent liked his catchup either.  Wanna try to go back and read him over tho.  I aint the best at reading him.

 

Penneh- Ive explained this enough I think and she's yet to do anything to change my opinion atp.  Only thing holding me back from feeling more certain is the fact she's normally Scummy af.

 

Mostly okay with these reads.  A few things I'm not sure where you're at.

 

-Lainey.  I know you two have a history of reading eachother quickly, and yeah...she has taken a bit of a cautious approach to your slot, but I don't know.  I really don't feel she's been that engaged at all.  She was actually the secret deepwolf candidate I mentioned before.  I have no why idea why I don't want to trust her at this point, but something doesn't feel right about her.  I don't think there's an argument that could make me lynch her over your bottom four (I'd probably toss Hallia down there, as well), and maybe I just need to interact with her more...but it just feels like she's being more observational than anything.  

 

-Are Calder and Sili about even?  That comment about Sili not taking that approach seems like he'd be above somebody you're mostly null on, no matter how much you disagree with his approach.

 

-How does Seph's progress effect your read on him, since it basically stems with his reasoning for Calder?  And I'm not sure I agree with the fact his start was particularly strong, unless you mean he got involved early, in which case I'd concede the point.

 

 

-Me.  Don't feel this is directed solely at you, because it's not, but I'm getting real tired of these caveats from basically everybody.  If you think I'm town, say it.  If you don't, say that.  I don't really care what people's reads of me are, but all of you tiptoeing around assessing me and setting up for a garbage push if I don't draw the nightkill immediately is really starting to annoy me.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Spacing this bc on my phone and I think I messed up the quote. Your hesitant bc I came out of the gate against him? Is that me understanding you right.

 

I mean I did the same thing against Dicetosser with my first post in my previous game on here. And was right. You may come back and say yea but her was your teammate. To which I will respond - I started playing before checking the scumchat lol to see who my teammates were.

 

I'm a little hesistant, not because you came out of the gate against him.  I couldn't care less about that.  What concerns me is that you're still there.  Part of it makes sense to me because I absolutely think he IS a good lynch candidate today.  But I have to wonder if maybe you started pushing him for distancing and then couldn't really work your way off, or maybe I'm just playing a really bad game.

 

In any case, I'm not trying to insinuate you're mafia.  I don't think you are.  I'm trying to explain why I'm not more confident in my read about you.

 

 

I have always been a decisive man. Ask my wife :). When I find something that is right I am not going to stop bc it is the first thing I found. 

 

 

I don't expect you to roll off just because it was an early read.  But at the same time, I need to make sure you're not just sitting there for no reason.