[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Sili Quirrels]

darthe was an obvious villager all game

Was I the only one tilted by him peeking Eldrick 'v' on the day Eldrick was going to be lynched?

[Lenlo]

Out of line, probably not, but I dont like to get pissy with people. It's not something I enjoy doing in what's supposed to be a game. I guess you could say I'm "softer" then other people who play mafia, but I really just try not to puss people off.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Seer covers fine, sometimes we get it wrong though.

Seer cover will eventually be wrong. And when you are wrong loudly enough there are consequences.

Seer cover's a pretty powerful thing mechanically though

 

Day 1 you need 7 living clear and have 2

Day 2 you need 6 living clear and have up to 4

Day 3 you need 5 living clear and have up to 7

Day 4 you need 4 living clear and have up to 11

 

above numbers with a caveat that I only just woke up

 

Obviously there's a lot of overlap between SHC, dead, cop peeks etc, and that happened this game.

 

And fps. Don't forget wolves don't need to hunt for the seer. They can just wait for villagers to make bad peeks.

[monstrman]

I wasn't tilted but I figured he very likely wasn't cop so I didn't exactly trust it

 

but I took the lenlo line

[Cory Caboose]

Eldrick very nearly SHC'd himself n2 fwiw which probably would have been GENIUS and gave the wolves a fighting chance

 

Wolf SHC is usually a bad idea but there are certain circumstances it can be effective (mostly when they wolves are getting destroyed by PoE and the seer is obvious) and I think it could have worked

[BFG]

Lenlo <3

[monstrman]

I've tricked myself out of shc's that would have won me games

[monstrman]

as mafia I mean

[monstrman]

obviously because you can't shc yourself as town lolmonstrman

[Cory Caboose]

The "downside" is that seer cover starts eliminating seer candidates for the wolves, making it easier for them to hit; I mean, seers in vanillas elsewhere almost never make it to something like Day 4.

[BFG]

 

 

 

Seer covers fine, sometimes we get it wrong though.

Seer cover will eventually be wrong. And when you are wrong loudly enough there are consequences.

Seer cover's a pretty powerful thing mechanically though

 

Day 1 you need 7 living clear and have 2

Day 2 you need 6 living clear and have up to 4

Day 3 you need 5 living clear and have up to 7

Day 4 you need 4 living clear and have up to 11

 

above numbers with a caveat that I only just woke up

 

Obviously there's a lot of overlap between SHC, dead, cop peeks etc, and that happened this game.

And fps. Don't forget wolves don't need to hunt for the seer. They can just wait for villagers to make bad peeks.

Honestly I'm not sure I like how much seer stuff there was this game, it meant there was very little normal game play which is normally the fun in these games,

 

I'm just pointing out how powerful SHC can be /shrug

[Cory Caboose]

Like that's unheard of. Seer gets binked by then. Usually by Day 3.

[Sili Quirrels]

My point is just if everyone is leaving seer cover in the open there will be mistakes, and it makes it easier to kill the real seer. If you throw in a wolf shc on n1 or 2 then you muddy the waters for the village in addition to fetching the seer.

[BFG]

The "downside" is that seer cover starts eliminating seer candidates for the wolves, making it easier for them to hit; I mean, seers in vanillas elsewhere almost never make it to something like Day 4.

This is the only game here that I remember that happening

[Cory Caboose]

SHC is GOOD baseline thinking but is not something you should follow religiously for the following reasons:

 

A) many times wolves are not paying attention / get peeks wrong / don't send in the kill and have it randed / rush the kill and accidentally SHC one of their own. I have been in three games where this has happened.

 

B) every now and then a wolf will SHC themselves intentionally (and if anyone's interested, I have a good grip of the situations you might want to consider SHCing yourself in)

[Cory Caboose]

 

The "downside" is that seer cover starts eliminating seer candidates for the wolves, making it easier for them to hit; I mean, seers in vanillas elsewhere almost never make it to something like Day 4.

This is the only game here that I remember that happening

 

 

I remember Yates went all the way to endgame as seer in Diablo.

[Sili Quirrels]

the seer in aliens went for several days. Though there was a gf so I dunno if that counts.

 

probably doesn't.

[BFG]

 

 

The "downside" is that seer cover starts eliminating seer candidates for the wolves, making it easier for them to hit; I mean, seers in vanillas elsewhere almost never make it to something like Day 4.

This is the only game here that I remember that happening

I remember Yates went all the way to endgame as seer in Diablo.

Lol true

[monstrman]

rawrs' seer game where he peeks 4 wolves in a row and wins prolly best seer game I've ever seen

[monstrman]

true n0 wolf

n1 wolf

n2 wolf

n3 wolf hardclaim gg

[BFG]

SHC is GOOD baseline thinking but is not something you should follow religiously for the following reasons:

 

A) many times wolves are not paying attention / get peeks wrong / don't send in the kill and have it randed / rush the kill and accidentally SHC one of their own. I have been in three games where this has happened.

 

B) every now and then a wolf will SHC themselves intentionally (and if anyone's interested, I have a good grip of the situations you might want to consider SHCing yourself in)

This is one of them right?

[Sili Quirrels]

i dunno if you always want to peek wolves. maybe sometimes you do if the games needs to be broken into, but if your team is doing well you want to secure the win i think.

[monstrman]

never peeking wolves is a mistake for certain, though

[monstrman]

and you can't peek wolves with explicitly obvious seer cover

 

I think there needs to be a balance that you adapt to in game and see who's leaving seer cover and how and then decide how you're going to leave yours from there

[Cory Caboose]

rawrs' seer game where he peeks 4 wolves in a row and wins prolly best seer game I've ever seen

 

LOL I told Shad about this game step-by-step on Skype during this game explaining that Lenlo didn't really need to get Hallia lynched d2

 

That exact game I talked about in detail

 

ILU