[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Lenlo]

Even Leelou would be a better lynch. She flips town, we keep the potential town PR alive. She flips GF, great!

Ok but if we lynch you, we also get to keep the potential town PR alive and if you flip wolf, Great!

 

Also I found hallias claim suspect. Im pretty sure I said as much.

[Thane Vakarian]

Unfortunately, I won't flip wolf. So there's that. At least you understand my point of view on Hallia 

 

*hands Lenlo a beer too*

[Leelou]

I'm here now. Just catching up on everything that happened today and posting a reads list, with REASONS. Woo! 

[Hallia]

Raisins

[Leelou]

Raisins

 

I don't like raisins. :p

[Hallia]

Me either!

[Leelou]

I'll be happy to have conversations with anyone now that I'm around. Sorry not pulling quotes or going back for quote numbers, I'm exhausted from the weekend and want to jump into the game. 

 

Hallia - Claimed Informed Townie. Looking back over her posts and seeing Yates' flip, Hallia is town. If she isn't, I'll be shocked and that would have been one hell of a baller claim for her to pull off. 
 

Tina - Tina has been my strongest town read of the unclaimed townies since she started to dig into the game. Her posting has been relaxed and she's asking informative questions and I don't really see her asking half assed questions just to try to cover her meta. I can understand where she was coming from with her vote on AJ, so I don't hold that against her. 

Lenlo - Claimed CPR Doc. Lenlo seemed natural with his claim, and it felt genuine. 

AJ - Claimed JoaT. I'm okay with his claim, but I am still having mixed feelings if he's a townie JoaT, or a scum JoaT. A lot of his posts from D1 really had me leaning scum on him. I'm not really comfortable with the AtE I've seen today, but I've been that way myself from time to time as a frustrated townie. Giving him a pass for now and I'm going to try to work out the rest of the game. I don't really feel comfortable where he's clearing me as town and also throwing doubt out there on me in the same post, basically giving himself an out if he ends up getting me lynched and I flip town. 

 

Verbal - You are really annoying me by saying you can't clear me over and over. I get it. I haven't been here. I'm here now and the game has my 100% focus and I'm going try to not tunnel on anything anymore. I agree with you that I was probably tunneling on Hallia. I've liked most of your posts, but I'm keeping you as a mild town read for now. How you deal with me going forward will help me completely clear you. Also, if AJ is town, is Zander still a dark green? 

Turin - Lowest of my town reads. I haven't played with you in a long time, I've liked your level headed posts, that you've been interacting with others and I agree with your most recent reads. I'd like some interaction with you so I can firmly move you up to dark greens. 

 

Nol - There was the Tina misread, but then I was feeling better about him after he picked up his playing. His lack of thread presence is making him drop back down in my list again, also poe is placing him here. 

Zander - If AJ is for sure town, Zander is scum here. The amount of arguing in the thread between you two is drowning the thread out. I'm also not getting a town/town vibe from your interactions. Having one of your alignments for sure would be helpful to go back and look at your interactions. 

Thane - How does Thane have close to 50 posts and I really don't remember any of them?? I really don't agree with your list and I don't see what you are seeing in the game. I know I said I wouldn't do quote numbers, but I want to know what changed from here to here? I'd feel comfortable voting Thane. 

[Thane Vakarian]

I'm here for another.... 2 hours, i think

[Hallia]

This Leelou, I LIKE IT

[Thane Vakarian]

@Leelou: It's called adjusting reads after reading and having caught up. There are more than 50 hours and 17 pages inbetween those posts

[Andrej]

Tbh Leelou I really doubt my result on you, otherwise I would've cleared you outright. I peeked you for a reason. It's unfortunate now because unless we start lynching wolves like right now you will continue to be in this ambivalent gray area. If we ML today and scum are successful with their NK I believe D3 will be MyLo and at that point it's too dangerous to test it.

 

So yes, even though your result says town your play thus far does not. Helping to lynch Thane who I feel is very likely going to flip town isn't really gonna help me decide on you.

[Leelou]

@Leelou: It's called adjusting reads after reading and having caught up. There are more than 50 hours and 17 pages inbetween those posts

 

Yeah, but your change on Turin feels like OMGUS. 

 

 

 

 

Should also be noted that both Zander and Nolder think I am scum with the other and yet have barely interacted at all this game.

I'd like people to weigh in on this.

 

working on it, AJ. Writing a commented reads list at this point.

 

I just read last few pages and it is nearing my time to sleep. I will be back in the morning for DL.

 

Not sure what to make of AJ. I think I will Sleep on it.

 

[V] Thane [/v]

 

He is my other choice Anyway. Maybe competing trains to force some opinions?

 

Good night.

[v] Turin [/v]

 

I'll get to reasoning in a moment.

 

 

 

 

Thane is a King *nods*

AndreJ : claimed town PR, with 2/6 votes on him. Feels like a very frustrated townie for me. I seriously doubt that he would do a mental breakdown as scum. Would be a bastard move if he actually did. I will go with his claim. I don't understand people still voting claimed PR's.

Lenlo: claimed PR... sorta Vig... déjà vu, anybody? No, seriously.. Kinda feel this comes out of nowhere. Why the claim? Why so soon? No pressure on him, at all. IF actually PR, then bravo for outing a second PR D2.... it could have waited imo.   Unless otherwise, still going with the claim, for now. But less certain than AJ

Leelou depends on wether or not AJ is really a town PR. Has been read as town. So.... 1+1, i by AJ's claim, so this could be legit (if not GF). 

Verbal's interactions are good. Involvement is good. His questions and replies are good. I just have nothing bad to point out at this moment. Should I be worried about that? Not at this point.

 

Hallia claimed 'informed townie', and everybody buys it. No second guesses what so ever. I wonder if that's a smart thing to do. You know who is town when playing as a wolf too.... wouldn't clear her too soon. She's looking ok, but not 100% clear for me. Call it paranoia. I would like to think of it as healthy suspicion. Also, putting a third vote on a player that has been mentioning he's catching up, especially in a low activity hybrid game? I dunno.

Zander... wow.... there's something. With everything going on, I still have a slight town lean on him. if only slight. I know he can be absolutely wrong on players and push townies 'till they die, but yeah... Zander, re-evaluate your game. You can do better imo. 

Nolder is a mystery to me. I still have troubles reading him in general. He seems ok to me, but with a little hint of 'be careful' in the back of my mind. Trying not to get too influenced by the general trend of people sussing him. Would like to see how he plays this week. 

 

Tina was on my radar early game. Some weird stuff going on there. More recent posts were looking ok to me. Still, she's voting a claimed PR, which is odd. One shouldn't do that imo. Added to the D1 stuff, she's low on my list. Usually a player would re-evaluate after seeing some claims, but i don't get that here. Even though she gave her reasons why, still.... not a good look. 

Turin don't get the town!Turin impression he gave off last game we played in. At all. Mainly at the bottom of my list due to PoE at this point, but I don't feel bad about putting my vote there. 

 

Before you ask: YES, these are in order, town to wolf. Yes, it took me some time to do this, so if you voted for pressure... now you don't have that as an excuse anymore. You people need to learn to chill.

 

 

So you don't feel town Turin, and he's at the bottom due to PoE? It doesn't really feel like strong reasoning. I would be expecting some more reasoning to receive a vote. What specifically has he done differently to end up at the bottom of your list from him being on your list of townie leans from D1? 

[Leelou]

Tbh Leelou I really doubt my result on you, otherwise I would've cleared you outright. I peeked you for a reason. It's unfortunate now because unless we start lynching wolves like right now you will continue to be in this ambivalent gray area. If we ML today and scum are successful with their NK I believe D3 will be MyLo and at that point it's too dangerous to test it.

 

So yes, even though your result says town your play thus far does not. Helping to lynch Thane who I feel is very likely going to flip town isn't really gonna help me decide on you.

 

You feel alright with Thane's reads list? 

[Leelou]

Tbh Leelou I really doubt my result on you, otherwise I would've cleared you outright. I peeked you for a reason. It's unfortunate now because unless we start lynching wolves like right now you will continue to be in this ambivalent gray area. If we ML today and scum are successful with their NK I believe D3 will be MyLo and at that point it's too dangerous to test it.

 

So yes, even though your result says town your play thus far does not. Helping to lynch Thane who I feel is very likely going to flip town isn't really gonna help me decide on you.

 

Also, you really aren't giving me time to get into the game. You know I haven't been around. This is me digging into the game. I'm questioning what I see. I am town. Thane's reads list does not make sense to me. 

[Andrej]

I can still think someone is town without agreeing with their reads. Mine aren't exact with Hallia and I'm fine with that. Mine don't have to be exact with Thane either to believe he's townie.

 

I'm reading him not black and white "rules" of Mafia.

[Thane Vakarian]

I've heard that my reads list doesn't make sense to some people before. But, like I said, it's what I am at for the moment. You don't have to agree, just think about other possibilities in the game, other than your own reads list. Especially now that we're still on D2, so quite early in the game. (<-that is a general remark btw)

 

@Leelou: I've checked and rechecked the players, reread and found Turin not his townie self. I fully realize it looks like omgus, but that doesn't really bother me. Imo, he's a wolf, and he can be lynched *nods*

[Andrej]

You're right Leelou and maybe that's a little unfair of me but considering this slay fest of a game I am a little impatient and critical atm.

 

I am not saying to lynch you, but I am still nervous about you despite getting a town result so that should tell you something. If you're town then awesome, I think you are a valuable player. But I need to be sure first.

 

I'll let you be to do your thing without me standing in the way but I think you're headed in the wrong direction already with Thane.

[Leelou]

Right, but you see I don't have you as a solid town read, AJ. I'm questioning what I see as sticking out weird to me so I can properly read people myself. I don't play like you do and it's some of the play that goes on at DM that makes me remember why I really don't care to play here much. So, don't tell me that me trying to lynch someone, who wow, I'm not actually voting for but asking questions of, will make you not feel better about me. 

[Thane Vakarian]

In any case, DL is in.. 9 hours? I doubt I'll be around then. If I'm lucky, i'll be asleep after nearly 26 hours of being awake.

 

My vote will stay where it is *nods* Follow me, or do not. Lynch me, or don't. But like I've said: low postcount town lynched because of an 'off' reads list? Sketchy.... 

[Leelou]

I've heard that my reads list doesn't make sense to some people before. But, like I said, it's what I am at for the moment. You don't have to agree, just think about other possibilities in the game, other than your own reads list. Especially now that we're still on D2, so quite early in the game. (<-that is a general remark btw)

 

@Leelou: I've checked and rechecked the players, reread and found Turin not his townie self. I fully realize it looks like omgus, but that doesn't really bother me. Imo, he's a wolf, and he can be lynched *nods*

 

I'm asking for some specific examples with Turin. Like I said, I haven't played with him in a long time. What I see is a townie Turin. 

[Thane Vakarian]

He was a lot more active and pursuing in the last game we played together, where he was also town. Missing that here. 

[Thane Vakarian]

ebwop: - also

 

I'm getting tired, sorry

[Leelou]

You're right Leelou and maybe that's a little unfair of me but considering this slay fest of a game I am a little impatient and critical atm.

 

I am not saying to lynch you, but I am still nervous about you despite getting a town result so that should tell you something. If you're town then awesome, I think you are a valuable player. But I need to be sure first.

 

I'll let you be to do your thing without me standing in the way but I think you're headed in the wrong direction already with Thane.

 

Dude, we are on D2. I wouldn't say this is a slayfest. There are scum in this game, and we will find them. The AtE needs to stop if I'm ever going to stop getting horrid scum vibes from you. Problem is, yes I know I was part of this, is that only a handful of people are really playing and some more than others are drowning the thread out. 

[Andrej]

Im sorry to hear that my play style makes games undesirable to play here for you, Leelou. If that's what you're saying.

 

I can see how I can be... aggravating lol

 

Like I said, do your thing.

[Leelou]

[v]Nolder[/v] come out and play.