[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Andrej]

Yep.

 

Hallia has now claimed Informed Townie. Where does that put you?

[Zander?]

Zander/Lenlo/Leelou

 

That's your scum team.

 

lolololololol

 

 

Yates slammed down another large bowl of soup - far larger than herself (why is everybody dying a guy representing a girl?) - on the floor in front of her.  It had been a fun, festive day that ended with the of casually killing of a very distant relative.  How else could the warrior princess celebrate besides eating fourteen bowls of soup?

 

Yates laid her head on a rock and closed her eyes.  Eating is hard work!  Now it was time for a nap...

 

But sleep would not come easy, as the sound of feet stomping on the hut's soft floor distracted her.  She rolled over with a grunt.  "Kino sleep, chase dino tomorrow."

 

A boulder was dropped on Yates's head.  Bits of brain matter, as underdeveloped as her primitive brain may have been, and strands of tiny gold hair could be seen underneath the edges.  It was kind of fitting, really.  Their tribe used shiny rocks for currency, and in the end, aren't we all just being crushed by capitalism?

 

 

Yates has been killed!  He was - 

 

 

 

Ayla, Vanilla Town!

 

 

You are a primitive, Amazon-like woman with a major crush on our protagonist.  You also have the role of Ayla in a mafia game, who is a primitive, Amazon-like woman with a major crush on the game's protagonist.  Joining the party some million years in the past over a shiny red rock, you spend your free time beating up on reptiles and riding pterodactyls.  Some of us live how others dream, I guess...

 

 

 

It is now Day Two!  With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch!  Day Two ends at approximately 6 PM EST on Monday, February 29th.

 

 

RIP Yates. 

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

I'll be back after I've dropped my wife off at work.

 

AJ why was Yates killed last night iyo?

 

 

Welp.  I'm pretty much vanilla now.

I wanna give spot reads -

 

Yates - town

 

 

 

 I feel so much better   I love to be informed.

 

 

I was informed townie, I knew Yates was town.  Useless now v.v

 

 

<3

[Lenlo]

Yep.

 

Hallia has now claimed Informed Townie. Where does that put you?

Considering I never pushed her as wolf, it leaves me just fine.

[Andrej]

Which makes the length of your argument even more pointless.

 

Well said.

[Zander?]

Forgot to touch on Zander.

 

Frankly I just don't believe that Zander believes any of his suspects are actually scum. He is weak at making believable pushes on townies when he is scum and I am seeing that pretty strongly here. I'm gonna pull up his reads list later to show what I mean, but none of his suspects are legit imo. He limped into voting Dice while continuing to waffle on me after I called him out on his telegraphing. His other two scum reads are Nolder and Tina. Tina is like so obviously town in this game it's a little ridiculous. Every time she posts she is knocking it out of the park with the kinds of things she's pointing out and asking about.

 

I think his case for why Nolder is scum will be pretty telling, and I'm going to continue pushing for him to make one until he does because I think it'll make it more obvious what I'm talking about for everyone else.

 

 

Yates- Yates has been on point, involved and engaging, he's also been explaining things out and almost acting like an intermediary when theres been a disconnect between players.  That being said Yates is also 100% capable of fooling me but as of now, no one feels Townier then he does to me,

Hallia- Wasnt a fan of the Yates town read joke thing,  But Hallia has picked it up considerably after that.  Hallia like me doesnt always convey things clearly and also like me marches to the beat of her own drum. But Hallia's biggest town tell is volume and presence and I highly doubt Scum!Hallia cant replicate this imo.

Verb- He started off slow but has really picked it up.  And other then Hallia I think were seeing eye to eye on things which makes me feel better about him, 

Lenlo- I still cant believe im typing this.  But after his catch up hes feeling more involved and Lenlolike and fwiw this doesnt feel like Matirx or GnD to me,

 

Lee- Will need to look her over to form a better read.  I dont have a lot of experience with her.

Thane- Once I see his reasoning for reads Ill have a better idea of how to read him. 

Turin- Hasnt done nothing to ping me really so thats a good sign but ive also totally read him wrong the last couple games.  Will need more time to figure out.

 

Tina- Has been weird. but thats not totally uncommon for her. Ive liked her catchup posts more so theres that going for her.

AJ- Well heres the tough spot.  I felt he was defensive irt to me.  I havent liked some of his responses in regards to me.  And I feel like some of the stuff hes tried to sell us on like the constancy thing with Verb, hes backed down on.  My biggest thing is that Im not seeing Boss Town!AJ which Ive come to expect.

 

Nolder- His scum meta is to derp so to speak a bit.  I can kinda see where he came from irt to the Tina thing but still its hard to shake that feeling like hes well into his scum range.  I also think there may be ties between him and AJ.

Dice- Straight up doesnt feel like Town Dice to me.  He's been overly jokey.  No votes as of yet which is kind of uncommon for Town DIce imo.  No strong stances.  And really hes made a few solid game posts but there few and far between.

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

Not my strongest scum read ever but my reads have also been pretty crappy lately.  Theres still some time left before DL to see what shakes out.  But atp prolly willing to lynch out of my bottom 4.

 

 

Wanna try that Tina comment again AJ?

[Lenlo]

Which makes the length of your argument even more pointless.

 

Well said.

Its as if I can argue that someone is wrong and not call them a wolf. A novel concept.

[Andrej]

AJ why was Yates killed last night iyo?

 

Obvious answer is obvious.

 

Not let's see that scum case.

[Andrej]

Sure Zander.

 

You have her as orange, which would indicate that you have her as a suspect, even if a light one.

 

Maybe you can explain that one more too.

[Zander?]

Lenlo is scum for how he was handling you last night, Hallia. His focus on rudimentary stuff, semantics, etc. He was making arguments against the 'logic' of your posts without taking into consideration the way you operate - which I would say is more intuitively than logically.

 

The fact that you're basically a named townie doesn't help his cause either.

 

If you look back and see how Verb handled you, in comparison, I think you'll see a better contrast. I realize that Verb was also attacking you but he did it in a more constructive way as to where Lenlo comes across like he's just arguing with you to argue because you're easy to argue against. I think the conclusions you've made on those two because of the interactions is actually backwards. Verb is villagery, Lenlo is not.

 

Zander actually pointed this out, but doesn't acknowledge the scummy behavior. That's a problem.

 

 

I'm phone posting so not gonna do all the colors and what not.

 

Turin - Town lean. Not completely sold on this read yet but overall I'm not getting terrible vibes from Turin yet. His case on Dice is heavily subjective, but I know he would probably do the same as either alignment. He's made some pretty good points and seems to be evaluating everyone with a level head. The only real knock on him is that sometimes I feel he's playing a bit 'too clean' so to speak. Will need further info to lock this one up.

 

Leelou - Starting to scum lean. I know she's busy so I won't list her overall lack of thread presence as a reason. I kind of get the vibe she's focusing on the wrong things though as the game has picked up. Not really fan of her tunnel regarding Halla's spot reads. Seems like a somewhat minor detail to nitpick. Not really sure where she's at as far as scum reads go.

 

Nolder - Feel pretty good about Nolder being town. His mistake regarding Tina's post was pretty bad imo but I think his aggressiveness is a positive sign. I don't associate scum!Nolder with pushing his reads as hard as he has in this game.

 

Verbal - town lean. He's gotten considerably better now that he is involved. I wish he'd take a more 'leader' role because I find him easier to read that way but that's not really his play style. I can tell he's catching more of the undercurrent stuff so I think that's a good sign.

 

Yates - reads extremely genuine with his trepidation on my slot. I know exactly how he feels as I've been in the reverse a time or two dealing with him. One of my stronger town reads.

 

Tina - her content is getting better now that she's more involved and digging in. I think Tina lurks more as scum and that's not what I'm seeing here. Town lean.

 

Hallia - vastly improved with her latest content. Looked sketchy early on, but I think she may be getting targeted as LHF. Feel pretty good about town!Hally this round.

 

Lenlo - mixed. I get a feeling Lenlo has improved his play style across the board. I'll need to comb over his content later with some flips in mind before I'll feel confident making a call here.

 

Zander - sorta mixed here too. Wasn't getting particularly bad vibes from Zander early on but I'm still a little bothered with his handling of me, though I can understand this may just be bias on my part. Will be keeping on eye on him as things develop.

 

Thane - null. Thane's entry seemed okay and he was quick to give his opinions which I take as a positive but overall would like to see more to make a better call.

 

Dice - MIA. I can see the points people have brought up about him being different than usual. There have been snippets where I thought he sounded like his normal self but I agree that the lack of aggressiveness and absence troubles me. I'm afraid he might be a scapegoat lynch but if it comes down to me or him I won't gamble on being wrong.

 

 

 

Leno I think your current point is true but in a generic sorta way.

 

I understand where Hallia is coming from.

 

 

I'm not sure what your trouble is there, Lenlo.

 

 

'Could be' as in potential. I don't really see the issue with it.

 

How does his position correlate with yours? I'm not sure why you brought up the fact he's placed lower than you.

 

 

 

Because generally deep wolf means, someone who you think is heavy town but you acknowledge could be fooling you. Not a null read.

 

I brought up position simply because she didn't say he was null, but she put him in null position wise. She didn't actually give a real read on him imo.

 

I see what you're saying.

 

 

 

Ftr I agree with Zander regarding Lenlo and his method of questioning Hallia. Was gonna wait for Day to bring this up but yeah, I don't like it.

 

 

 

 

AJ besides agreeing with me, show me where you call Lenlo out irt to Hallia for being scummy please?

 

So yours and Verbs calling it out as ok but Im scummy for not calling it scummy?

 

Interesting....

[Zander?]

Sure Zander.

 

You have her as orange, which would indicate that you have her as a suspect, even if a light one.

 

Maybe you can explain that one more too.

 

Seems like your trying to stretch things out AJ to make things work.  Same thing youre doing with me being scummy for the Lenlo/Hallia situation for not calling him scummy (which is even funnier considering you didnt either).

 

I didnt like Tina's early game it was weird to me but like I said its not uncommon.  I dont read Tina all that well.  But I admitted also in my reads list she was improving with more recent posts.

 

So there yet another part of your "case" against me that is not accurate....hey wait didnt you call Nolder out for doing the exact same thing?

[Zander?]

 

AJ why was Yates killed last night iyo?

 

Obvious answer is obvious.

 

Not let's see that scum case.

 

 

Id like you to answer it anyways please.

[Andrej]

Still waiting for you to go make that case for why Nolder is scum.

 

I challenged Lenlo several times in that discussion, I think my intent was pretty obvious.

[Lenlo]

Still waiting for you to go make that case for why Nolder is scum.

 

I challenged Lenlo several times in that discussion, I think my intent was pretty obvious.

You never directly challenged me. The "challenges" were also interspersed with agreements.

[Andrej]

Which I told you from the beginning the points you were arguing were generic.

[Andrej]

I didnt like Tina's early game it was weird to me but like I said its not uncommon.  I dont read Tina all that well.  But I admitted also in my reads list she was improving with more recent posts.

 

So why was she orange then?

 

If from you're knowledge, it's not uncommon for her to be weird, I'm not sure why you're using that as a point of evaluation.

[Lenlo]

Leno I think your current point is true but in a generic sorta way.

 

I understand where Hallia is coming from.

Yet true. Meaning I wasnt wrong.

[Zander?]

Forgot to touch on Zander.

 

Frankly I just don't believe that Zander believes any of his suspects are actually scum. He is weak at making believable pushes on townies when he is scum and I am seeing that pretty strongly here. I'm gonna pull up his reads list later to show what I mean, but none of his suspects are legit imo. He limped into voting Dice while continuing to waffle on me after I called him out on his telegraphing. His other two scum reads are Nolder and Tina. Tina is like so obviously town in this game it's a little ridiculous. Every time she posts she is knocking it out of the park with the kinds of things she's pointing out and asking about.

 

I think his case for why Nolder is scum will be pretty telling, and I'm going to continue pushing for him to make one until he does because I think it'll make it more obvious what I'm talking about for everyone else.

 

 

 

JFC Yates you should have a read on AJ by now.  Or maybe were both total noobs?

Read the post above this. It's not like AJ is an easy read right now.

 

 

 

So I said te above before reading this:

 

 

Yates- Yates has been on point, involved and engaging, he's also been explaining things out and almost acting like an intermediary when theres been a disconnect between players.  That being said Yates is also 100% capable of fooling me but as of now, no one feels Townier then he does to me,

Hallia- Wasnt a fan of the Yates town read joke thing,  But Hallia has picked it up considerably after that.  Hallia like me doesnt always convey things clearly and also like me marches to the beat of her own drum. But Hallia's biggest town tell is volume and presence and I highly doubt Scum!Hallia cant replicate this imo.

Verb- He started off slow but has really picked it up.  And other then Hallia I think were seeing eye to eye on things which makes me feel better about him, 

Lenlo- I still cant believe im typing this.  But after his catch up hes feeling more involved and Lenlolike and fwiw this doesnt feel like Matirx or GnD to me,

 

Lee- Will need to look her over to form a better read.  I dont have a lot of experience with her.

Thane- Once I see his reasoning for reads Ill have a better idea of how to read him. 

Turin- Hasnt done nothing to ping me really so thats a good sign but ive also totally read him wrong the last couple games.  Will need more time to figure out.

 

Tina- Has been weird. but thats not totally uncommon for her. Ive liked her catchup posts more so theres that going for her.

AJ- Well heres the tough spot.  I felt he was defensive irt to me.  I havent liked some of his responses in regards to me.  And I feel like some of the stuff hes tried to sell us on like the constancy thing with Verb, hes backed down on.  My biggest thing is that Im not seeing Boss Town!AJ which Ive come to expect.

 

Nolder- His scum meta is to derp so to speak a bit.  I can kinda see where he came from irt to the Tina thing but still its hard to shake that feeling like hes well into his scum range.  I also think there may be ties between him and AJ.

Dice- Straight up doesnt feel like Town Dice to me.  He's been overly jokey.  No votes as of yet which is kind of uncommon for Town DIce imo.  No strong stances.  And really hes made a few solid game posts but there few and far between.

 

[v] Dice [/v]

 

Not my strongest scum read ever but my reads have also been pretty crappy lately.  Theres still some time left before DL to see what shakes out.  But atp prolly willing to lynch out of my bottom 4.

 

This post was basically copy/pasted from my brain. We might be secret masons after all... There is way too much mind melding in here for Zander to be faking it so he just locked himself Town for me in one post.

 

I'm particularly a fan of his Hally read as well as his thoughts on the bottom 5. We may disagree slightly on where AJ is ranked but I completely believe his thought process for having AJ exactly where he does.

 

 

 

 

Zander has kinda bought himself more scum equity in my eyes, but maybe that's just cause I'm bias. I don't think defensiveness is a good reason, of course I am defensive. That's null at best.

Where did you get the scum equity from? Did you see that reads list? It was, in a word, "masterful."

 

 

 

Thats an interesting comment AJ in Bold.

 

So now that you know Yates was Town.  You assume his reads are awful as well?

 

Or do you think with only YOU sussing me at all, Scum!Zander kills Yates after this with what you claim is a "weak spot" for me?

 

Your case against is awful and you even admited you started sussing me for not placing you.  Which ive also disproved.

 

Basically everything youve said against me as been a stretch (re Tina read), OMGUS (sussing me for sussing you) and and contradictory (calling me out for not calling Len scummy when you did)

 

Before I add to that list please respond to this post.

[Zander?]

 

I didnt like Tina's early game it was weird to me but like I said its not uncommon.  I dont read Tina all that well.  But I admitted also in my reads list she was improving with more recent posts.

 

So why was she orange then?

 

If from you're knowledge, it's not uncommon for her to be weird, I'm not sure why you're using that as a point of evaluation.

 

 

 

Because getting better still hadnt cleared her completely AJ,

 

Thats pretty obv imo.

[Andrej]

You're really gonna use Yates's flip as back up for your reads?

 

Yates can be wrong and I think he cleared you wrongly.

 

What does Yates dying have to do with anything on your list? I really don't understand why you're saying that.

[Andrej]

Okay, so she was orange for being weird early in the game?

 

Which you say is not uncommon for her.

 

So?

[Zander?]

You're really gonna use Yates's flip as back up for your reads?

 

Yates can be wrong and I think he cleared you wrongly.

 

What does Yates dying have to do with anything on your list? I really don't understand why you're saying that.

 

 

Try reading your own comment against me in bold and re read it.

[Zander?]

Okay, so she was orange for being weird early in the game?

 

Which you say is not uncommon for her.

 

So?

 

 

So she was a suspect I couldnt clear or I felt deserved a Town spot atp.

 

You have to know how bad your case looks atp don't you?

[Andrej]

You really haven't disproved anything lol. But I'm happy to keep you talking so that others can come and review it later.

 

Again - reiterate why Tina was a suspect in the first place?

 

I said you're weak at pushing townies as scum. How does that correlate at all with Yates?

[Zander?]

You really haven't disproved anything lol. But I'm happy to keep you talking so that others can come and review it later.

 

Again - reiterate why Tina was a suspect in the first place?

 

I said you're weak at pushing townies as scum. How does that correlate at all with Yates?

 

 

I quite think I have and we'll let others see it for what it is.

 

She was a suss based on her early game which was a little off setting and I couldnt quite follow it.  She wasnt null because It was off setting to me.  I find it funny tho that you called a Scum read when she wasnt tho.

 

Because obv if I have to push someone Ive gotta make sure they work as suspects.  Im just saying that obv someone else saw what I say and so did 4 other people who voted Dice which includes yourself.

 

A "self pres" vote is an easy thing when the counter wagon is a Townie...who by the way im pretty sure you thought was an actually towny.

[Andrej]

You're right, I stated many times that I had reservations voting Dice.

 

But it was him or me, and my alignment is 100% as to where his wasn't.

 

Speaking on the topic of making suspects work, I am not going to let you get out of explaining your scum read on Nolder.