[Basic]: Friends Mafia

[Shad_]

Shad - I am liking the way you're playing, being your usual probing self. You feel good.

Turin - Same, I feel you're actively pushing people and trying to get the game moving/solve.

 

Eldrick - I am inclined to be swayed by your appeal to emotions. I'd put you on the townier side of null now.

Zander - no clue.

Sooh - true null, I need to ISO your posts still.

 

Lily - The Eld switch did ping me, but I need to ISO you to see if there's anything more

Hallia - I could possibly see you as being scum this game for your not being present and voting quickly for the first thing that stands out (Lily's switch)

Thane - I am not feeling convinced by your arguments/I feel like you are going with the flow more than solving

Maybe? a little odd that she called out Lily for switching her Eld stance based on the AtE while doing the same thing herself.  I'm not terribly bothered by it.

[Shad_]

At this point, I am really rather feeling Eldrick.

 

Still not sure what this means.

[Shad_]

Still feeling a disparity between this Tab and her last scum game, where she felt extremely lost.  I'll read her NBC posts before deadline, see if it's as different as I remember.

[Shad_]

Reading Sooh up from where I left off at EoD, there was more leading up to her vote on Tab than I'd remembered at the time.  Calling it a "pressure vote" threw me off, but Tab had dropped in her reads by then and she treats it more as a desire to see competing trains, which is generally towny.

[Shad_]

Meh

[Shad_]

Looking at Lilly next

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Thane Lily scum team?

 

Im not disagree at all cause I feel its quite possible.  But can you explain how this connects them?

 

Or am I missing something else here altogether?

 

Wasn't a connection, just where my head's at at this point.

 

(Quote tags fixed)

 

Why atp did you think it was Lily/Tane, and not me and Lily or Thane? You had all 3 of us down there. You wanted to lynch me, but the lynch wasn't happening. I find it weird that you thought I was scum, but thought the team was them.

[Eldrick4221]

At this point I guess I have to look at everyone again. :\

Seriously. Going through all 4 of your ISO's. Looking at everything each of you said about anyone still alive.

 

Critical thinking is mentally exhausting, so it's slow going, but I'm not voting until I'm sure where I want to.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Shad - I am liking the way you're playing, being your usual probing self. You feel good.

Turin - Same, I feel you're actively pushing people and trying to get the game moving/solve.

 

Eldrick - I am inclined to be swayed by your appeal to emotions. I'd put you on the townier side of null now.

Zander - no clue.

Sooh - true null, I need to ISO your posts still.

 

Lily - The Eld switch did ping me, but I need to ISO you to see if there's anything more

Hallia - I could possibly see you as being scum this game for your not being present and voting quickly for the first thing that stands out (Lily's switch)

Thane - I am not feeling convinced by your arguments/I feel like you are going with the flow more than solving

Maybe? a little odd that she called out Lily for switching her Eld stance based on the AtE while doing the same thing herself.  I'm not terribly bothered by it.

 

I think she meant the switch TO me, not from me, but I'd have to look again. Not there yet.

[Eldrick4221]

Good news is the longest one is out of the way. Finished Shad's ISO. Time to compile it and see how he interacted with each of you.

[Shad_]

Why atp did you think it was Lily/Tane, and not me and Lily or Thane? You had all 3 of us down there. You wanted to lynch me, but the lynch wasn't happening. I find it weird that you thought I was scum, but thought the team was them.

It made the most sense in my head at the time.  When Zander and I are seeing the same problems and trust each other, we're on to scum more often than not.  He didn't agree with me irt you and I didn't agree with him irt Turin, but we were both on the same page with Lily.  We have a pretty solid track record towning together, and when I thought I caught Thane red handed I had a sort of "a-ha" moment that obviously didn't pan out.

 

I waffled back and forth pretty hard on your AtE a lot in this game.  It was after Thane flipped town that I got it in my head for a time that you had to be scum.  I certainly wouldn't have had an issue lynching you D1 though; make what you will of that.

[Shad_]

Ollie had me tied up for the better part of 3 hours.  Going to relax a bit and get on with rereading Lily and Eldrick tomorrow.  I'll poke my head in a few times before I go to bed in case you have some other questions.

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Here's the breakdown of Shad's interactions with Lily:

 

 

 

Shad about Lily

---DAY 1---

Comments that he and Lily can finally play together.

--Null comment

Responds to Lily's asking about his headache that he never actually had one.

--Null comment

Quotes Lily's reasons for not voting me, followed shortly by her vote on me, and points out the awkward progression.

--Ping on Lily

Responds to Lily's reaction to my comment about his potential headache. 

--Null comment

Reads list so far has Tab as town to strong town, Sooh as town, Lily as slight scum, and Me as scum.

Lily - I'm pretty meh on Lily in reread.  I can't say I wouldn't have voted her in Supernatural and I don't have any other experience to go on.  Part of me likes that she appears to be looking into people and not just stating reads, part of me feels like it's a bit opportunistic and slimy. 

--Doesn't mention the 'awkward progression', the only thing he actually commented on so far that resembles a ping.

Points out that Thane soft claimed VT and later on didn't like the other claims being done. Suggests Thane/Lily scum team.

--Has Lily as potential teammate for Thane (who is town), but not me, his scummiest read.

Votes Lily, conceding that lynch on me wasn't happening. Willing to switch to Thane.

--Null. WTV his other scum reads.

Responds to Zander that what he quoted wasn't a connection between Lily and Thane, just where his head was at atp.

--Doesn't explain why

---NIGHT 1---

Lily comments on it being LYLO. Shad asks her is she thinks it's 3 scum (which it obviously isn't, or they would have won by now)

--Null. Could be shading. Could be catching a slip.

---DAY 2---

Shad responds to my points by request of Lily, not by directly answering them from me.

--He didn't answer me, but he answered her. I expect this from someone that is answering their town read, but he had us both as scummy.

Discusses Lily/Hally. Points out that Lily is still a possibility, but the uncountered claim makes it less of a probability. 

--Isn't true. Hally's read of lily affects nothing. Lily could be town or GF.

Feels better about Lily than he did before. Doesn't know why. Believes that Hally's peek of her makes her more likely to be town.Thinks she's asking reasonable questions, taking a fair approach to figure people out, and hasn't done anything recently to bother him recently.

--Changing his stance because of the read isn't a good reason. The other reasons are okay.

Quotes my discussion of my tinfoil, stating that even if Turin knows that there's a GF, it doesn't mean that Lily is the GF (which isn't what I said)

--Misrep, whch could be used to make us think she's town.

Day 1, he notices something that pings him about Lily, but it isn't a reason for his scum read on her. Switches to her, but is willing to vote Thane. Gut read on Thane/Lily connection, but not me and either of them, when I was his scummiest read. (He answered this recently. I just read it as I was preparing this post. somewhat null for his reasoning with his link between Zander)

Day 2, responds to Lily asking for his input on my points, but not on his own. Starts giving Lily a townier read because of the claim, when Lily being GF is just as likely, and the claim doesn't clear her. States other reasons to be feeling better about her. Misreps what I said about Turin being GF, spinning it to sound like Lily is town.

 

If Shad is scum, it isn't clear if Lily is his teammate or not.

[Eldrick4221]

Breakdown of shad's interactions with Tab

 

 

 

Shad about Tab

Reads list so far has Tab as town to strong town, Sooh as town, Lily as slight scum, and Me as scum.

Tab - Tab was completely lost in her first scum game, and granted I read her wrong there I feel like she's already shown more interest and independent thought here, and she's already matched her post count from three phases in that game.  Unless she plays on other sites (I get the impression she doesn't) I don't think there would be a noticeable improvement in her scum game without a mentor.

Asks Sooh if she thinks Tab is the best option at this point.

 

Literally nonexistent. He slots her as town by comparing her play to a previous game when she was scum. Never interacts with her AT ALL.

His only other mention of Tab, besides his reads list, is asking Sooh about her vote on Tab.

 

If Shad is scum, extremely high chance that Tab is his teammate.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm gonna put off Shad's interactions with Sooh, and doing the other ISO's tomorrow.

 

I might get to Shad-Sooh tonight.

[Eldrick4221]

Breakdown of shad's interactions with Sooh:

 

Asks Sooh for her read on me.

--Null

Responds to Sooh's questions about what has made him leery about me and asking for clarification on "the rest" and its relation to this game. CONTEXT UNCLEAR IN ISO ("The rest":  When scum smell an easy lynch and piggyback a poorly developed train, they get outed for it more often than not.  When scum acquire a small train early, they're prone to make goofy/unnatural reactions.  Two early votes on a player is never an inherently bad thing.  Make what you will of his reason for dropping the vote.  I"m not bothered by it.) - Explains that my first post didn't sit right with him (the one where I called out Turin for jumping on Thane's train), and that he explained it better in his reread. Explanation for clarification is that Turin dropped the second vote, Zander didn't like the idea of there being 2 votes already, but it didn't bother him.

Sooh still not understanding the clarification. Asks for a hypothetical scenario. Shad isn't sure why Sooh is asking for 'hypothetical'. Asks her to elaborate, and if she disagress with what he said.

Thinks Sooh is missing the context, that Zander said the action of voting an existing train early on is anti-town, and he disagrees. He had explained why it was a bad move for scum to do, as they easily get caught doing so, and the action isn't inherently scummy. Also that it's a bad reason to suss someone.

--This exchange feels very natural.

Reads list so far has Tab as town to strong town, Sooh as town, Lily as slight scum, and Me as scum.

Sooh -  I think I read Sooh better than most, and I'm picking up on her town tone so far.  Haven't seen her scum in ages, but I'm not worried about her slot at this point.

--Read on Sooh makes sense from his play so far.

Mentions that one of his reasons against me was that I called out Sooh for something she didn't do yet. 

--If Shad was scum and Sooh wasn't, I don't think he would also address this, just his own part of it (the headache thing)

Comments on needing to look at Sooh again too.

--Null

Sooh had pressure voted Tab. Tab responded. Shad asked her where she was going with the pressure vote, being it's close to DL.

--After realizing his lack of interaction with Tab, this reads like defending his teammate. It doesn't have any impact on Shad/Sooh connection.

Trying to speed reread Turin and Sooh between distractions.

--Null

Finished his read on Turin. Sooh next.

--Null

By Sooh's comments, he would have thought she had Thane as null. Doesn't understand her scum read on him. Wants to know if there was any reason for him to be in her WTL besides 'slanking'.

--This was during reread. Good question.

Asks Sooh if she thinks Tab is the best option at this point.

--Asking again about Tab, who he was townreading, and therefore reason wasn't to decide who to vote.

Votes Turin 1 min before deadline, which is completely reasonable, being he had a town read on Tab

Says if Turin is scum, Sooh is likely (90%) his partner.

Points out the Sooh's vote switch means nothing, after he made the lynch inevitable

--Surprising change. He had been treating Sooh as town, and now suddenly there's a link between Turin and Sooh, if Turin is scum. Scum!Shad would know Turin is town, would know this doesn't mean anything. Could be trying to throw shade on someone new now that he got another mislynch. The thing that bugs me the most about this is Shad's vote and Sooh's switch were both 1 min before DL. He's trying to claim that she looks bad for voting when he already had.

Asks Sooh how set she was on lynching Tab. 

--Brings up that if Sooh's computer had made her miss DL, she would still be voting Tab. As if that affects anything. If she missed the DL, then she was voting another person she wanted to vote.

After rereading Sooh's EoD, comments that voting Tab was more of a desire for competing trains than it was a pressure vote. Which IHO is generally towny.

This doesn't sound like teammates at all. It comes off as Shad trying to figure Sooh out. I don't think the team is Shad/Sooh.

 

[Eldrick4221]

Wow Lily. You posted a lot more than I thought you did :P

[Eldrick4221]

Lily, your style of updating reads list is WEIRD. I can't decide if it's scummy, or just weird, to change some reads, and leave others EXACTLY the same.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Still catching up (page9), but here's a few thoughts:

 

Eldrick seems different from the last game we were in. We were both wolves there, and it seems to me that his playstyle is different in this game. I don't know if it's good, or bad, yet. Just something i noticed.

Shad is not in game solving made yet. I hope that will happen soon, otherwise he'll be someone to watch.

Zander is alright,for now.

Sooh feels kinda 'aggresive' in her play (lack of a better word atm). She does try to explain her line of thoughts, but she's not holding back. Interesting.

Lily... there's a good one. No idea on what to make of her yet. Gets sidetracked a bit too easily imo.

 

*continues read*

 

His reads here (with the exception of me) seem spot on with my thinking. 

 

 

She says that the reason she was reading Thane town was because (except for his read on her) she agreed with his reasons here.

 

She never mentioned Shad's game solving mode. Except for her read of him in her reads list (that had him as town because of an early descriptive post), she hadn't mentioned him.

Her description of Sooh was "She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting". Thane's view is that Sooh is being "Aggressive by not holding back with her line of questioning". These seem to be 2 ways to describe the same mindset, but different feelings about what they mean. Lily saying she "agrees with Thane's reasoning" doesn't sit well with me.

[Eldrick4221]

Losing steam. I'll finish Lily's ISO tomorrow.

[Eldrick4221]

Wow Lily. You posted a lot more than I thought you did :P

Now I know why I thought that. Half of it was day 1 lol

[Taborline]

 

At this point, I am really rather feeling Eldrick.

What do you mean by that?

 

 

Because I feel like you've been really instrumental in getting the wrong people lynched.

[Taborline]

 

Players currently alive (besides me)

Lily, Hally, Shad, Sooh, Tab

 

Team combos that don't make sense:

Hally/Not Lily

If Hally isn't on a team with Lily, then Hally isn't scum. Scum!Hally wouldn't have cleared her top scum read. She would have rode the mislynch.

Sooh/Tab

Sooh left her vote on Tab until right before the DL. If she was on a team with Tab, she would be risking lynching her teammate, because Lily was willing to switch.

 

Lily/Hally

Possible scum team. Hally fake claiming claiming her teammate as her town peek.

Lily/Shad-Sooh-Tab

Shad/Sooh-Tab

 

I haven't researched the likelihood of other teams yet, but either Lily, or Shad, or both, are scum. Not voting anywhere else.

 

 

Wasn't Sooh my only vote at that point? That's not a high risk.

 

Are you still not voting anywhere else today?

[Sooh]

Ugh I'm so confused right now. Anyone around?

[Sooh]

Like, I would appreciate to have someone to bounce ideas off of and who could tell me whether or not my mafia couplings make sense or not. 

 

I don't know how much more I'll get from reading people in ISO individually. I just want to brainstorm possible connections between people.