[Basic]: Friends Mafia

[Thane Vakarian]

i'll go ahead and do this:

 

[v] Taborline [/v]

 

I can use Sooh's reasoning too. Observing and not engaging. There's WAY too less content there. More than half her posts feel like agreeing with other people, and there's no obvious will to actually solve the game here. 

[Thane Vakarian]

I'd ask other players to ISO all her 16 posts and tell me I'm wrong, or vote with me.

[Turin Turambar]

Thane, can you give us a complete reads list with your reasoning/thoughts on all players?

[Niniel]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Eld (1) - Shad

Thane (2) - Turin, Sooh

Lily (2) - Hallia, Zander

Hallia (2) - Lily, Eldrick

Taborline (1) - Thane

 

Not voting: Tab

 

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday 9 PM CET. Countdown

[Niniel]

Good morning!

[Thane Vakarian]

Thane, can you give us a complete reads list with your reasoning/thoughts on all players?

I could, but it hasn't really changed since last time. Well, Eldrick i feel a bit better about, and Sooh a bit worse, but that's about it. 

[Thane Vakarian]

Good morning!

morning!

[Turin Turambar]

I don't recall reasons for everyone. Could you link it or just make it current so it is easier to see where you are wrt everyone?

[Thane Vakarian]

I'll do that when done preparing food

[Thane Vakarian]

link: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96668-basic-friends-mafia/page-17?do=findComment&comment=3610857

 

reads at this point would be:

 

Bottom 4 at this point would still be Lily, Hallia, Eldrick, Tabor (in no particular order).

 

Lily is... all over the place. Her vote switching, changing of opinion on players with basically little time inbetween andreading someone strong town changing to null.... doesn't make sense. At all.

Hallia is feeling a bit better than Tabor, mainly due to Zanders comment about one of Hallia's towngames. She does need to step up, though.

Tabor is coasting along. I've explained why i voted her.

Eldrick, poor guy, is seen as scummy nearly every game. His posts feel a bit better recently, though. But, I still can't clear him.

 

Townies, for now, would be:

Thane: viewed N0, town

Zander feels alright. He's involved enough for now and I'm looking forward to solving the game with him.

Shad is starting to show more involvement. Sucks that his computer is so bad, because Shad/zan/thane team could solve the game pretty quickly imo.

Sooh is trending down some. Still think she's town, but her reasoning for the vote on me is just... bad? Why is she not looking at the other not-involved players (yet?)

Turin is the one i engage most with, i think. He's town, for me. As am I. So, we should work together and wreck wolves.

[Turin Turambar]

I think I quoted all the post where you give reads or reasons even if they are just in passing. I would still like to see a complete real list. Much easier to look at and decipher. You do want to help the rest of us understand your views right?

 

 

 

 

I'm trying to decide which is bugging me more.

Sooh's leaving her joke vote on, or Lily's possible overexplaining. Both are possible scum tells to me.

You feel quite fixated on Sooh this game.... Lily overexplaing: i saw that too, but yeah, is it enough to make someone wolf at this point?

 

 

so, we lynch Zander who gave you a headache? works for me

 

 

until we find the real wolves that is

 

 

 

Is that really a slip tho.  Or poorly worded? 

 

I dunno and I dont know how I ffel about Turins push either,

 

Meh

 

Poorly worded is more like it. Turins' push on me sorta feels like Zander pushing lynches in his previous games (no offense, Zan) and they ended up lynching town. If Turin pushes successfully, you'll miss a VT next day. Me flipping town wouldn't automatically make him wolf, but it'd look... let's put it mildly... not too great.

 

How do you feel about Sooh?

Again, asking about Sooh. You do know there are other players too, right? You'll need to figure out majority of them to be able to solve the game, not one single slot.

 

I would think my support for lynching Thane would clear me as his teammate, should he flip scum. Should there be any doubt, you can mislynch me tomorrow.

this is... odd. Would people lynching me be town? Majority would be, if 2 wolves. Seems like you're trying to talk your way out of suspicion, with a hint of 'if i'm wrong, lynch me, that's a townie thing to say'. 

 

 

I would think my support for lynching Thane would clear me as his teammate, should he flip scum. Should there be any doubt, you can mislynch me tomorrow.

mmmm..... [v]Eldrick[/v]. This is a bit much for me to swallow. Your whole team bussed each other last game.  I don't know that you saying this tells us squat about Thane's alignment if you flip scum, but I'm not buying that it's an honest thought.

 

Shad has a point here.

 

 

 

 

Sooh. What's your reason for leaving your vote there now? I find it suspicious that you commented on planning to remove your vote, but didn't unvote.

I don't usually hard unvote, even a joke vote. I leave it there until I find someone scummy or more scummy. I would have in this case if there had been a quick train on Thane and more than two votes were on him, but right now my joke stays where it is

Ok. I went back to check the last 2 games. To compare them to what you did here.

GnD you voted Zander cuz of the petition. You unvoted when you woke up the next day, because it was a joke vote, and you thought he was town.

Supernatural you joke voted BG, welcoming him back to the game. You decided to leave the vote on as a reaction test, because he didn't respond to your vote.

In this game, first you say you intended to remove it, but you forgot. Then, when I asked you about it, you said you don't normally unvote until you find a scummy target. Was GnD a fluke, then?

 

 

 

Can you point me to another game where you mention your joke vote, and leave it there without further reasoning? Because that is my issue here. If you can show me you doing it as town in another game, then I won't be suspicious of you doing it here.

 

 

I'm not going to dredge through games looking for a reason not to vote you. Your actions this game are suspicious to me, and that's all that matters.

 

Things like this make me read you as town, Eld.  I for one will not be voting you after all.  

 

Hallia was much more involved in GnD then this game.

 

Something to note.

 

I was, I blame you for the initial part with your distracting me with TANKS; apologies for not coming back, my sis came over and we played Until Dawn (Terrifying btw)

 

I will join Eld and 

 

Vote: Lily

 

For the moment this is where I am happy.

 

Hallia: I didn't really see a reason for you to actually vote Lily... care  to clarify?

 

I'm going to see the deadpool movie tomorrow :D

i did yesterday, was AWESOME

 

 

Bottom 4 at this point would be Lily, Hallia, Eldrick, Tabor (in no particular order).

 

Hallia and Tabor both have been more or less in here, posting game related stuff, just to stay in the thread but not getting too involved. Eldrick, poor guy, is seen as scummy nearly every game. Last game i know he was, and this one feels different. Other style or other allignment? Dunno yet. But I feel his posts are weird. Lily hasn't done anything to convince me she's town this game yet. She's present, commenting left and right, but I'd have expected a bit more bite from her.

 

Townies, for now, would be Thane, Zander, Shad, Sooh, Turin. Zander feels alright, Shad is starting to show some involvement (which i hope will increase). Sooh is getting pushed, but reacts well to it imo. Turin is totally off with his read on me, so i hope he has different suspects lined up when i flip town. 

 

At the top of this long post Thane talks about Sooh and Lily. It looks like he is offering subtle defense of both of them, moreso Lily at this point.

Further down when asked what he feels about Sooh he turns the question around on Eldrick by questioning why Eldrick seems so fixated on sooh(He doesn't actually answer the question tho).

Then Thane compares my push at him (over his slip primarily as well as his lack of involvement) to Zander's last game (they are hardly even similar IMO, but w/e) to characterize it as a poor push on a townie. Then adds in the caution to me that my pushing his lynch will make me look bad if he should flip town. Guess what?? I don't care how I look. If I did I wouldn't have voted him when I did. 

Thane then asks Hallia about her vote on Lily.

 

Reads: has Lily, Eldrick, Hallia and Tab as most likely mafia. Refuses to order tho. Not really much in the way of reasoning. Has his list of townies also not much in the way of reasoning.  

 

Still catching up (page9), but here's a few thoughts:

 

Eldrick seems different from the last game we were in. We were both wolves there, and it seems to me that his playstyle is different in this game. I don't know if it's good, or bad, yet. Just something i noticed.

Shad is not in game solving made yet. I hope that will happen soon, otherwise he'll be someone to watch.

Zander is alright,for now.

Sooh feels kinda 'aggresive' in her play (lack of a better word atm). She does try to explain her line of thoughts, but she's not holding back. Interesting.

Lily... there's a good one. No idea on what to make of her yet. Gets sidetracked a bit too easily imo.

 

*continues read*

This was actually slightly before (ordering out of order, Sorry) Sounds like lots of null (maybe wishy washy is a better characterization)

 

not a big fan of both claims that are already on the table to be honest. Unnecessary to do so early in the game.

 

Also townies that are saying things like: 'i'm alright with you lynching me'... i mean, ??? It's not really a towntell if you say it. Not for me. Sounds a bit too easy and doesn't really push anybody into thinking further on the subject.

Why are you not a fan of the claims. They were basic straightforward claims made when the people got run up to L-2? 

How is them saying that "it is okay to lynch me if you must" different from you saying "If you lynch me, I'll flip town"? Both seem like they are pretty much just accepting the lynch.

 

 

 

Bottom 4 at this point would be Lily, Hallia, Eldrick, Tabor (in no particular order).
 
Hallia and Tabor both have been more or less in here, posting game related stuff, just to stay in the thread but not getting too involved. Eldrick, poor guy, is seen as scummy nearly every game. Last game i know he was, and this one feels different. Other style or other allignment? Dunno yet. But I feel his posts are weird. Lily hasn't done anything to convince me she's town this game yet. She's present, commenting left and right, but I'd have expected a bit more bite from her.
 
Townies, for now, would be Thane, Zander, Shad, Sooh, Turin. Zander feels alright, Shad is starting to show some involvement (which i hope will increase). Sooh is getting pushed, but reacts well to it imo. Turin is totally off with his read on me, so i hope he has different suspects lined up when i flip town.

Gun to head. Who is the most likely mafia? who you gonna vote if you HAVE to right now? 1

On Eldrick, you say he is scummy every game and he was scum last game but he feels different now. 2
Lily, sounds like you have her as more null based on your description. Nothing to make you think she isn't town. what has she done to make you think she is mafia? 3

Hallia and Tab, not getting too involved? you know how that sounds coming from you making your first real posts of the game? 4

I've already said who I have more suspicion on and why. BTW you are doing that thing again where you are treating me as exclusively town without really knowing my alignment. I do understand you are saying you have a town read on me but you recently said that my pushing your lynch through will be a bad look on me. I'm not sure why that would be as it would just make me wrong. You did that last game when I pushed at you and it gave you a "problem in your head" or something like that. Mafia like to make little digs while still town reading the people sussing them. 5

what further solving has shad done to appease you? 6

 

1 & 3 : right now? At this instant it would be Lily. She feels different than last game. I'm sorry if i gave you the impression that i had a null on her. She's more wolf than null to me at this point.  

2: That's what worries me about Eldrick. Part of me wants to believe he's town, the other (louder side) is telling me i shouldn't trust him and he has adapted his play this game.

4: Ironic, right? But, they were both on this weekend, had material to work with, and I would have expected a bit more than sideline work from both of them.

5: tbh, i don't think you'd push me like you are doing now as a wolf, because it'd be too obvious and silly (i think you'd have a better wolfgame) and would make you more likely to be town this game as well.

6: I feel better about his posts than i do about, for instance, Hallia's and Tab's. More a gut read than anything else at this point, but i hope that i get the right feel for Shad this game. Now i just need to see game-solve mode from him to confirm my thoughts. 

 

Lily was number 1. You ended up voting Tab. What changed? 

 

Different is a vague thing indeed. I'll try to rephrase:

 

Lily is being 'distracting', or is easily distracted, by off topic items. Didn't like her take on 'RL reasons to hide wolfy absence'. It's true that it happens, but nothing new. 

Eldrick posting more calculated and careful in this game. Lacks the confidence he had last game, or makes it look like it.

For Shad, as i said, it's more gut feeling than anything else. He needs to step up his game, though. 

 

 

Questions inside the spoiler. 

 

I can definitely see Thane / Lily team here. I feel stronger about Thane but as long as one or the other is lynched today I think we have a productive day with a wolf lynch at the end of it.

[Thane Vakarian]

i did update how i felt about people in my previous post..... not good enough for you?

 

How about a link, or current, reads list of your own, if you please?

 

As for the questions inside the spoiler... sheesh.... at least color them?

[Thane Vakarian]

I should have known that people would gun for me after last game. Doesn't mean you're right this time, though.

[Turin Turambar]

They are in between your quotes just like they would be if it wasn't spoilered for size. Sorry if it is difficult.

 

I will post a current list here in a few. No worries. That list of yours was what I wanted. Well it will do anyway. 

 

Main question for you is Why Tab over Lily? Reading your post gives me the impression that you have Lily as lower on your list. I could be wrong but that is how it looks to me.

[Thane Vakarian]

"Why are you not a fan of the claims. They were basic straightforward claims made when the people got run up to L-2? 

How is them saying that "it is okay to lynch me if you must" different from you saying "If you lynch me, I'll flip town"? Both seem like they are pretty much just accepting the lynch."

 

Claiming VT this early in the game makes it easier for the wolves to PR-hunt. Do I really need to spell that out for you?

As for the lynch: one is accepting the lynch, the other is to make you reconsider. Two different things.

 

"Lily was number 1. You ended up voting Tab. What changed?"

Call it a hunch. I'd have expected a bit more from Tab right now, and after reading through her posts.... they're even worse than mine.

 

those were the questions?

[Turin Turambar]

My current reads/thoughts

 

1. Thane: mafia - I think I have go into it already. Slip early. odd disconnect (IMO) between his posts re: Lily and his vote. Attitude is more of irked mafia than frustrated town (again IMO)
2. Shad: null > town- not as active as I might like. May be frustration from computer, I dunno. Still have him as more middle of pack. 
3. Sooh: null/mixed - I have some concern due to some of Thane connection. also it makes me a bit nervous when people actually follow me. But I believe more likely town than not.
4. Hallia: null>town - 
5. Zander: null to mafia - Defense of Thane without defense feels weird. A complete list of his reads might help alleviate fears.
6. Eldrick : null to town - 
7. Lily: mafia - cross interactions with Thane weird. Plus some of the things she has said make little sense to me. I may take a closer look if I get a chance today. Second choice behind Thane at this point. 
8. Taborline: null > town - Nothing that pings but it is time to get more involved. 
9. Turin: TTtT

 

 

I admit that most of the list is remaining more null because I have been more looking at Thane / Lily / Eld / Zander

[Turin Turambar]

"Why are you not a fan of the claims. They were basic straightforward claims made when the people got run up to L-2? 

How is them saying that "it is okay to lynch me if you must" different from you saying "If you lynch me, I'll flip town"? Both seem like they are pretty much just accepting the lynch."

 

Claiming VT this early in the game makes it easier for the wolves to PR-hunt. Do I really need to spell that out for you?

As for the lynch: one is accepting the lynch, the other is to make you reconsider. Two different things.

 

"Lily was number 1. You ended up voting Tab. What changed?"

Call it a hunch. I'd have expected a bit more from Tab right now, and after reading through her posts.... they're even worse than mine.

 

those were the questions?

How were the claims early? both of them were at L-2. Did you think that they should not claim at all? My stance is that the game is most likely vanilla so I guess I don't see that the claims really mean anything at all. Did you think they thought making those claims would cause people to jump off their trains? 

 

Hunch. Okay, well I guess follow your hunch. Would you be willing to switch to Lily? 

[Thane Vakarian]

She's still in my bottom, so yes, I would be willing to switch. For the moment, I'll keep my vote on Tab though. Some pressure there would be good imo

[Sooh]

Thane,

 

I believe you could be mafia for the reasons stated. I'm not as certain that Lily is mafia as others are, so I wanted to place my vote elsewhere. If you are town, then maybe my vote is the push you needed to come out and hunt more. I'm at work now, so I'll try to answer additional concerns more thoroughly later.

 

Turin,

Sure, I'm following you in a way, but if you remember my reads I have Thane towards the bottom, so it's mainly based on that. 

[Turin Turambar]

[Sooh]

Turin, can you comment more on your Hallia read?

[Turin Turambar]

Oh, I skipped her in writing. Sorry. It is mostly a feel/gut read if you will. There hasn't been much posting overall from her but I haven't really had an issue with what she has said and done. The vote reasoning thing with Lily is something I can see causing people trouble but I think it is a more null behavior for her.

 

She could be truly null but I have her a little leaned to town due to my feeling more strongly that others are mafia. I would like her to get more involved tho. I couldsay that for nearly everyone however. 

[Turin Turambar]

[Taborline]

i'll go ahead and do this:

 

[v] Taborline [/v]

 

I can use Sooh's reasoning too. Observing and not engaging. There's WAY too less content there. More than half her posts feel like agreeing with other people, and there's no obvious will to actually solve the game here. 

 

I don't see how I'm not engaging. I've posted a reads list with reasons, I've asked questions of people, and I challenged you. I'm not certain, but I think I was the first to do so with regard to your own reads list. I don't call that following or "coasting along" as you said in one of your other posts.

[Thane Vakarian]

at work and around.