[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Also that manbat guy is prob scum.

You have two days to prove to me you aren't scum or you're dead 100% of the time

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Just a friendly threat! React how you will

:)

monstrman · January 19, 2016

-snip-
But people seem to forget they exist. If you aren't scum, you're town. There's also the possibility of 2 scum teams. We don't know. That's what I'm getting at. She wouldn't know he's town.

Really early for multiball/3p talk. Especially without any idea how many NKs are floating around.

-snip-

So your policy voting him for the claim? Ok fine, but why not state that in the opening vote? ATM that opening vote looks like jumping on Zander for no reason/just cause of the petition. First 2 pages, fine, but to much has happened for that to be ok.

Not a strong vote imo btw.

Policy voting him cause of the bs purple stuff which is angleshooting at best. And i practically said so in the same post - i post in short bursts as u know. Time passed in between cause i was washing my hand in between.

I can agree with this.

I like to change things up. Its not a usual start to the day, but I can see what your saying. Your correct in that this is not a normal start for me, im normally nowhere near this active/pushy this early.

As you said though, we have 24 hours. Gotta get cookin m8.

That's my thing. Get your own

BTW Zander, you will never offend me. After Despo I learned really well what happens in the game stays in the game.

I miss Despo

This game is advanced. The balance of this game will change as the game progresses. This was mentioned in the signups.

I am 95% certain that 3rd parties exist out there.

Again with the multiball talk.

I really should keep a notepad going... but its so much wooooooooork.

I'm not even going to reread. This game is literally only ever going to be 1 page long for me.

If I miss something on the last page oh well.

Prob going to do this too. Working 70+ hour workweeks atm

Someone said something about "if you lynch me, I win".

I wrote it off as trying to sound like a jester to not be lynched, but I'd like other opinions. I can pull up the quote if you need me to.

That was me.

It was earlier on about my petition to lynch Zander

If he flips scum, I win the game personally.

If he flips town and I get instalynched D1, then I also win personally.

Twas joking at the time.

lol'd

Zander. You didn't respond. Perhaps you missed my post.

I'm feeling good about Lenlo. You haven't swayed me in that regard, and are frankly just coming off as defensive.

But if you are town, please give me a reason not to vote you. Who do you think is scum so far?

Im not feeling good about Lenlo or BFG at this point.

The people that are pushing you? Wow.

Reasons?

He's still bad enough that he thinks OMGUS works?

HARDCLAIM: ZANDER- HOLLYWOOD STUNTMAN VANILLA TOWN

TRUTH OR FALSEHOOD IT MATTERS NOT

Only Wolf Bullets killing me this game brah.

Really? I see Diplomacy and petitions doing it right now.

All i see is a scared little boy trying to mislynch his betters.

lmfao when Zander thinks he's in the same league as Len.

I like Eld for scum. Saw Dice's post on it as I was building up my quote catch-up and was already planning on posting something on it. Makes him Town in my book.

Something about BFG doesn't sit right with me. Probs nothing, but I'll watch it and see how it develops.

Len's 85% town. I could also go with a Zander lynch.

[v]Eld[/v]

PS I think I recall Turin saying something about Eld being scum. Pretty sure it was after Dice, so a lighter Town lean on him for that.

I agree the 3p talk is bad. I disagree with BFG and Zander and am not informed enough on Turin or Dice to make a read of them yet, so I'm not going to.

I am most interested in your Zander lynch reasoning, however.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

@Laine, one reason I asked Zander about his opinion on your unvote as he knows you better and was around. Self awareness of your vote is null to me, except for the indication of self consciousness.

I'm baffled that Zander as any alignment would try that, or think that it would work. I really don't want to clear Zander because "he wouldn't do that as mafia" because those arguments end badly, so I'm treating it as null. The issue is with how much of the early game that links into which doesn't leave me much to get a 'good' read from.

one thing I keep coming back to wondering is how similar this is to Yates in SW, is it like Yates trying to clear himself in which case I'd probably say no, or like Yates telling Seph to look in an old private mentor QT, which I dont remember Zander having an issue with. In reality it's somewhere between the 2 and I'm left at null. What's your opinion? You know him better :)

I hate voting Too much commitment and forgetfulness involved.

IRT Zander... I don't see him doing that as mafia. I'm not going to put him into a little town box for it, but I don't see wolf!Zander using information from a town PM to self clear. He's the type of person that would want to self clear through game play and not use silly tricks to try and gain favor. At the same time... with the petition from the sign up thread, he may have wanted to turn things in his favor quickly so that things didn't get out of hand, thus claiming like that, in which case it's definitely null. Overall so far I'm getting a cautious town read of Zander though some of his responses have come off quite defensive. First was how serious he became with Lenlo, and secondly some of his responses towards you were very reactive. Still within town meta but if he continues to push that envelope, I'll become worried.

I think the town would benefit focusing elsewhere a little bit to get Zander out of the spotlight so that we can read him in a different setting.

Alanna is town for being the only reasonable and smart person to correctly analyze the Zander situation in the town.

csarmi · January 19, 2016

This game is advanced. The balance of this game will change as the game progresses. This was mentioned in the signups.

I am 95% certain that 3rd parties exist out there.

Maybe, but I'm not really worried about them until scum are dead

Also unrelated: I believe BFG is a villager

That makes two of us.

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

@Laine, one reason I asked Zander about his opinion on your unvote as he knows you better and was around. Self awareness of your vote is null to me, except for the indication of self consciousness.

I'm baffled that Zander as any alignment would try that, or think that it would work. I really don't want to clear Zander because "he wouldn't do that as mafia" because those arguments end badly, so I'm treating it as null. The issue is with how much of the early game that links into which doesn't leave me much to get a 'good' read from.

one thing I keep coming back to wondering is how similar this is to Yates in SW, is it like Yates trying to clear himself in which case I'd probably say no, or like Yates telling Seph to look in an old private mentor QT, which I dont remember Zander having an issue with. In reality it's somewhere between the 2 and I'm left at null. What's your opinion? You know him better :)

I hate voting Too much commitment and forgetfulness involved.

IRT Zander... I don't see him doing that as mafia. I'm not going to put him into a little town box for it, but I don't see wolf!Zander using information from a town PM to self clear. He's the type of person that would want to self clear through game play and not use silly tricks to try and gain favor. At the same time... with the petition from the sign up thread, he may have wanted to turn things in his favor quickly so that things didn't get out of hand, thus claiming like that, in which case it's definitely null. Overall so far I'm getting a cautious town read of Zander though some of his responses have come off quite defensive. First was how serious he became with Lenlo, and secondly some of his responses towards you were very reactive. Still within town meta but if he continues to push that envelope, I'll become worried.

I think the town would benefit focusing elsewhere a little bit to get Zander out of the spotlight so that we can read him in a different setting.

Alanna is town for being the only reasonable and smart person to correctly analyze the Zander situation in the town.

The bottom there. Only person in the town to analyze it correctly? Does that mean there are people outside the town doing that? Who are they and how do you know them?

This reads poorly to me.

Also still all for the Zander lynch. I'm not convinced and if I let him go, the odds of him getting lynchef go down dramatically

Sooh · January 19, 2016

*snip*

I have town lean on:

Csarmi

Lenlo

Zander

BFG

Shad

Why Csarmi and Shad?

Not that I agree or disagree, just curious as to your reasoning

Csarmi because already in this game he has shown more engagement and more wim than in his last scum game altogether. I think the level in which he cares about the game makes him town.

Shad makes these awesome cases on people, and he already did one on Eldrick. Now with someone like Shad that's a bit too little to go on to lock him as any read, but I'll put the rest down to wishful thinking :tongue:

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Checking in

[v]Zander[/v]

[v]Zander[/v]

[v]Zander[/v]

Dangit. I wanted to be first. Got my role pm at 7. When I found out at 11, the thread wasn't up yet. I went back to sleep lol.

[v]Zander [/v]

[V]Zander[/v]

Which one of you is scum? Come on, admit it

So true though. The way this wagon formed there is a 0% chance there is not a scum in all the people that jumped on zander for literally less than a reason

monstrman · January 19, 2016

@Laine, one reason I asked Zander about his opinion on your unvote as he knows you better and was around. Self awareness of your vote is null to me, except for the indication of self consciousness.

I'm baffled that Zander as any alignment would try that, or think that it would work. I really don't want to clear Zander because "he wouldn't do that as mafia" because those arguments end badly, so I'm treating it as null. The issue is with how much of the early game that links into which doesn't leave me much to get a 'good' read from.

one thing I keep coming back to wondering is how similar this is to Yates in SW, is it like Yates trying to clear himself in which case I'd probably say no, or like Yates telling Seph to look in an old private mentor QT, which I dont remember Zander having an issue with. In reality it's somewhere between the 2 and I'm left at null. What's your opinion? You know him better :)

I hate voting Too much commitment and forgetfulness involved.

IRT Zander... I don't see him doing that as mafia. I'm not going to put him into a little town box for it, but I don't see wolf!Zander using information from a town PM to self clear. He's the type of person that would want to self clear through game play and not use silly tricks to try and gain favor. At the same time... with the petition from the sign up thread, he may have wanted to turn things in his favor quickly so that things didn't get out of hand, thus claiming like that, in which case it's definitely null. Overall so far I'm getting a cautious town read of Zander though some of his responses have come off quite defensive. First was how serious he became with Lenlo, and secondly some of his responses towards you were very reactive. Still within town meta but if he continues to push that envelope, I'll become worried.

I think the town would benefit focusing elsewhere a little bit to get Zander out of the spotlight so that we can read him in a different setting.

Alanna is town for being the only reasonable and smart person to correctly analyze the Zander situation in the town.

The bottom there. Only person in the town to analyze it correctly? Does that mean there are people outside the town doing that? Who are they and how do you know them?

This reads poorly to me.

Also still all for the Zander lynch. I'm not convinced and if I let him go, the odds of him getting lynchef go down dramatically

The town includes everyone in the game?

Even mafia are technically trying to be "town"

You're wrong on Zander

csarmi · January 19, 2016

Monstr i think Zandet is wolf. Why dont you?

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Except the town isn't everyone in the game. Not to me. Your from a dif site so maybe that's just lingo.

Explain why I'm wrong rather than just telling me

monstrman · January 19, 2016

I get in a lot of trouble often for using hyperbole to make a point.

It's very stupid, actually.

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Also on phone in a stats lecture so I will be brief.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Monstr i think Zandet is wolf. Why dont you?

Since when has defensiveness ever meant anyone was scum?

Since when has Zander NOT done something this silly in ANY GAME EVER?

You people just latch onto things and assume you're correct and none of your reasons have any basis to be used especially not when each players functions differently in specific situations

I have been overdefensive about me being town in literally every game I've ever been in

Find a new tell, because even on the offchance you're right it's for the wrong reasons.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

That said, I just reminded myself of Alanna by defending his overdefensiveness and actually I think it's kind of suspect to clear both of them after me

IDK I need to be caught up

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

It's not that he's defensive, it's how he's defending himself. It's over the top, like he knows he's wolf but has to play a town. He's strong when he's leading town as wolf, but not that great at covering himself on D.

Your also not Zander. So what you do isn't what he would do.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

It's not that he's defensive, it's how he's defending himself. It's over the top, like he knows he's wolf but has to play a town. He's strong when he's leading town as wolf, but not that great at covering himself on D.

Your also not Zander. So what you do isn't what he would do.

You just made about 17 incorrect assumptions about my post in this post

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Then please inform me of them. Cause when I'm not typing, I'm not thinking about this game, I'm taking notes for a lecture.

Calder · January 19, 2016

Also that manbat guy is prob scum.

You have two days to prove to me you aren't scum or you're dead 100% of the time

Harsh, but fair.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Then please inform me of them. Cause when I'm not typing, I'm not thinking about this game, I'm taking notes for a lecture.

I actually think you are town because iirc I've been in a game where you've been scum and this aggressiveness seems vastly contrast to it

So I'm inclined to clear you regardless, but your argument was exactly the argument I was making

"Every player plays the game differently"

"Zander is not you"

Obviously I'm aware that Zander isn't me, but in my experience towns overreact and overdefend themselves far more than scum do.

All I'm saying is from my perspective, you have a rand tell.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

Zander, about the implying Len is town thing. I think it is pretty clear.

You stated mafia could hide behind the "joke vote". This would be similar to piggybacking behind a townie pushing another townie. The mafia vote and lynch the townie but then blame the townie that kes the lynch. By staring the mafia would be in effect "following the townie", you imply that Len is in fact town. You may not have meant to do so but the implication is logically sound.

So in effect if you flip mafia then you have inadvertently spewed Len town. Thanks.

I hope this makes sense.

Turin seems like he's probably town to me. This is an observation I'm not sure a scum bothers to make.

monstrman · January 19, 2016

[v]Eldrick[/v]

Turin is probably town after continuing backwards from that post (I'm doing my reread in reverse because SCREW STANDARDS THAT'S WHY)

nonconformist5lyfe

Hallia · January 19, 2016

I did not see the 17 reasons listed there.

Manbat pinging

Hallia · January 19, 2016

I did not see the 17 reasons listed there.

Manbat pinging

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

When did we play together? Cause I changed my style up alot afew months ago. I don't do the passive, wait out the game, crap anymore.

As for Zander, it's entirely possible I am tunneling and not adjusting my read well because of it, but D0 Zander does not feel like town Zander to me. So I am going to vote him unless someone can convince me someone else is more wolfy.

So do that. Convince me someone else is a better lynch, not that my lynch is wrong, cause I don't think it is.

[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

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