[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

Btw, the baseline is very important. Think of this as a big cult game.

HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW?

 

Unless you yourself are saying you were town yesterday and something other than town today, there is no way that we will know and be able to use that as a baseline. Ever. At all.

We can guess using our best reasoning just like any other game. also once someone that claimed a second pm flips we will get more information. Especially if they flip mafia.

Do you want to lynch Hally just to test this? Lol

FYI Lenlo did too.

[Turin Turambar]

Not Hallia, maybe Lenlo.

 

Still prefer to lynch manbat.

 

Manbat, since you are certain there were mafia on D0, what if anything have you learned from the voting and such from D0.

 

Also, you never quoted the post you were afraid to clear me for. Any chance of seeing that?

[Eldrick4221]

The only one I can agree to, Eldrick, is Shad

As long as you realize it's important to look, I'm happy. You sounded like you were dismissing it.

[Turin Turambar]

Why do people think there were mafia D0?

bump for new page.

[alannalynn]

 

The only one I can agree to, Eldrick, is Shad

As long as you realize it's important to look, I'm happy. You sounded like you were dismissing it.

Dismissing Shad? I put him toward the bottom of my list earlier and said I was going to do an ISO and then spent like 5 hours looking at Turin only to realize he's probably town and I'm a dumbass and completely exhausted and I don't know why I've been looking at this thread for almost 12 hours and everything is taking so long to read and I don't know why

[Eldrick4221]

Ew. No reason to bump, and takes it out f context who you were asking.

[alannalynn]

 

Why do people think there were mafia D0?

bump for new page.

I don't see why there wouldn't be.

 

Also, I kind of hate the thought of a 47 page d0 only to realize it's almost useless. 47 pages of crap.

 

[alannalynn]

someone tell me when DL is

[Turin Turambar]

I think.it is obvious I am asking anyone who thinks there were mafia on D0 why they think so. Anyone with an opinion is free to answer.

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

Why do people think there were mafia D0?

bump for new page.

I don't see why there wouldn't be.

 

Also, I kind of hate the thought of a 47 page d0 only to realize it's almost useless. 47 pages of crap.

 

Troll mods confirmed.

 

But it isn't useless. There is still some information to be had. Look for people that have changed.

[alannalynn]

I'm not sorry for this:

 

 

Shad ISO now

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

The only one I can agree to, Eldrick, is Shad

As long as you realize it's important to look, I'm happy. You sounded like you were dismissing it.

Dismissing Shad? I put him toward the bottom of my list earlier and said I was going to do an ISO and then spent like 5 hours looking at Turin only to realize he's probably town and I'm a dumbass and completely exhausted and I don't know why I've been looking at this thread for almost 12 hours and everything is taking so long to read and I don't know why

Not Shad specifically. Dismissing looking at changes in how people play. Your wording re: whether we were all vt D0 was "I don't see why it matters, besides ...baseline of town activity and ...changes in behavior"

 

Paraphrased cuz on my phone. They sounded to me like ideas you weren't too invested in.

[alannalynn]

Not Shad specifically. Dismissing looking at changes in how people play. Your wording re: whether we were all vt D0 was "I don't see why it matters, besides ...baseline of town activity and ...changes in behavior"

Paraphrased cuz on my phone. They sounded to me like ideas you weren't too invested in.

Oh i see what you mean and i understand

 

I guess i'm bothered because it's not something that can be proved and that bugs me

[csarmi]

 

 

Good morning. How is everyone?

 

Can someone please tell me where or how I actually role fished? All the role alteration questions were specifically addressed to those that had claimed second role PMs. I did not ask anyone about their roles. So I wasn't digging to "out" people. Only to ret to figure something out. I believe I have the right answer. That alignments were not assigned until N0/D1. Others can disagree if they choose. I still believe I am right.

 

My reasons are as follows:

I think it is too convenient that the person lynched just happened to be a treestump. And that the alternate wagon( and post leader) happened to become an IC.

 

In a typical game roles are assigned just before D1. this was when the name of the game was actually announced with a new OP if you will.

 

The people that have come forward to answer my question have stated that they got their new PMs closer to end of N1/Start D1. This to me is more consistent with my theory imo.

 

 

Others have disagreed with me and that is fine. But manbat has not only disagreed but stated that anyone believing as I do must be mafia yet afaict his only reason for saying that alignments were in place is "the mods would not make it impossible to lynch a wolf D0". My response to that is that the game truly doesn't start until D1 when alignments are set. The game was setup to start with 16 alive and one townie as a stump.

 

how is manbat so certain that the mafia were in place D0? I certainly don't KNOW. I am confident I'm right but I do not KNOW enough to say anyone that disagrees is mafia.

How did you determine that alignments were set at N0/D1? I knew I was town d0, and I'm still town d1. If there were no alignments d0 wouldn't we have known in our role PMs? And why would we suffer through 40 pages of d0 to lynch someone to make them treestump? This just doesn't make sense to me and it feels like you're trying to make d0 useless irt information. I'd rather look at the game as a whole and be able to go back to d0 for information. It doesn't seem fair to take that away from us as a source of information.

Pretty sure Turin is on the ball there. Think about it. It all fits.

 

Day 0 happening in the first place.

Day 0 being unreasonably short.

The tree stump and IC determination.

The game announce.

That games start Day 1.

 

No we never had a chance to Lynch a wolf D0. Don't mean it was wasted. Baseline.

 

Sorry if u feel upset about it.

[alannalynn]

Ok

[csarmi]

*hugs Lainey*

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Vote count:

 

• Hallia - 1 - Sooh
• Celeste - 1 - Hallia
• Turin Turambar - 1 - manbat
• Manbat - 4 - Zander, Shad, Turin Turambar, Calder
• Calder - 1 - Celeste

 

 

Agreed both of those are suspect. Turin is apparently caught up yet this is all he says to. I want more

[V]Turin [/v]

Going into lecture for the next 3 hours, but when I'm out and home I'm gonna ISO Turin and see what that brings up.

 

 

 

Gonna [v]unvote manbat[/v]. I was prob just dead wrong on D0 or you are good at playing me. I buy the frustration.

I do hate that other major discussions were mostly over lurkers.

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 

 

ok

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

 

 

[v]nolder[/v]

 

 

[v]Csarmi[/v]

 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

Eh, it's not really that bad

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

 

[v] celeste [/v]

 

 

Woo woo


To be certain it is there

[v] Celeste [/v]

 

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Turin [/v]

 

 

So tomorrow's going to be a long day I think.

I haven't done a full ISO on Celeste in Wow and I haven't looked through her other games.

In ISO this game

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597564 http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597571 thinks everyone VT D0

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597576 Len2 looks bad for the Csarmi thing, wants to talk with Shad, disappointed in Nolder

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597583 asks Shad about Nolder

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597587 asks Calder why her

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597619 thinks Manbat's town (Rustlemania)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597649 votes Calder because his joke tone rubbing her the wrong way

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597659 Zander tunnels

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597661 not taking chance on Calder after Nolder in WoW

More Zander tunnels

"hi Eldrick"

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597832 asks Hallia opinion on Calder

People haven't checked in much

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3598027 Turin feels different

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3598031 asks Turin about Calder

From the first couple of pages in her ISO from WoW

More fluff - but different stage of game, so this much is null

"not an early game player"

"Wish town with reservations" (paraphrased)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-game-over-mafia-wins/?view=findpost&p=3587497 this needed to be linked as it's her first vote and it is only 24 hours in to the game

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-game-over-mafia-wins/?view=findpost&p=3588060 first reads list, 2 days in? Other than Pizza her town reads are all people she has experience with before...

Also tricky to draw a fair comparison since she was on the defensive pretty early that game.

Strangely enough a brief 1 game comparison doesn't give me strong feelings, but she is different this game, whether it's different enough I don't know. She's being comparatively more open/direct with reads this game, and the reads are things that are 'odd' or scummy instead of townie, there's none of the 'slow start' posts this game, there's less hesitancy with her reads.

[v]Celeste[/v]

I have no idea if I'll make it on before deadline again. I will try to get on at lunch, but it's possible I'll be working straight through

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] BFG [/v]

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Len [/v]

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Celeste [/v]

 

 

[V]Hally[/v]

Breaks my heart tho.

 

 

 

A gut vibe isn't very easy for me to do anything with, so I'll just keep you in my POE and see if your reads change. I can't say I have a solid read on Len or Calder atp.

 

 

I think it's time for me to [unvote] Hallia, even though I disagree still with some of her strongest reads I got the feeling as we were butting heads yesterday that she wasn't as scummy as my brain wanted her to be. I'll give you a null for now, Hallia.

 

Then I think I'll [v]Shad[/v].

 

He has never had a problem seeming solving as a wolf and he fooled me once. This time around I have disagreements with the way he's nitpicking at certain people. It doesn't sit right with me. 

 

 

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

I'm going back to look at Shad

 

 

You're right about your wording. I still don't see why it matters though

 

[unvote]

 

This was a bad push. I don't know what I'm doing. it's 4am, gonna continue looking at a shad iso

 

 

 

 

12. Please use the tags to vote for somebody - [ v ]Simonds[ /v ] , [ /unvote ] without the spaces.

 

Unclear if unvoting is required. Point is moot, as Manbat unvoted before his most recent vote.

 

Vote count:

 

• Celeste - 2 - Hallia, BFG
• Turin Turambar - 2 - Lenlo, manbat
• Manbat - 2 - Shad, Turin Turambar
• Calder - 1 - Celeste
• csarmi - 1 - Hallia
• Shad - 1 - Sooh

 

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Vote count:

 

• Hallia - 1 - Sooh
• Celeste - 1 - Hallia
• Turin Turambar - 1 - manbat
• Manbat - 4 - Zander, Shad, Turin Turambar, Calder
• Calder - 1 - Celeste

 

 

Agreed both of those are suspect. Turin is apparently caught up yet this is all he says to. I want more

[V]Turin [/v]

Going into lecture for the next 3 hours, but when I'm out and home I'm gonna ISO Turin and see what that brings up.

 

 

 

Gonna [v]unvote manbat[/v]. I was prob just dead wrong on D0 or you are good at playing me. I buy the frustration.

I do hate that other major discussions were mostly over lurkers.

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 

 

ok

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

 

 

[v]nolder[/v]

 

 

[v]Csarmi[/v]

 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

Eh, it's not really that bad

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

 

[v] celeste [/v]

 

 

Woo woo


To be certain it is there

[v] Celeste [/v]

 

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Turin [/v]

 

 

So tomorrow's going to be a long day I think.

I haven't done a full ISO on Celeste in Wow and I haven't looked through her other games.

In ISO this game

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597564 http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597571 thinks everyone VT D0

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597576 Len2 looks bad for the Csarmi thing, wants to talk with Shad, disappointed in Nolder

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597583 asks Shad about Nolder

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597587 asks Calder why her

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597619 thinks Manbat's town (Rustlemania)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597649 votes Calder because his joke tone rubbing her the wrong way

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597659 Zander tunnels

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597661 not taking chance on Calder after Nolder in WoW

More Zander tunnels

"hi Eldrick"

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597832 asks Hallia opinion on Calder

People haven't checked in much

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3598027 Turin feels different

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3598031 asks Turin about Calder

From the first couple of pages in her ISO from WoW

More fluff - but different stage of game, so this much is null

"not an early game player"

"Wish town with reservations" (paraphrased)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-game-over-mafia-wins/?view=findpost&p=3587497 this needed to be linked as it's her first vote and it is only 24 hours in to the game

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-game-over-mafia-wins/?view=findpost&p=3588060 first reads list, 2 days in? Other than Pizza her town reads are all people she has experience with before...

Also tricky to draw a fair comparison since she was on the defensive pretty early that game.

Strangely enough a brief 1 game comparison doesn't give me strong feelings, but she is different this game, whether it's different enough I don't know. She's being comparatively more open/direct with reads this game, and the reads are things that are 'odd' or scummy instead of townie, there's none of the 'slow start' posts this game, there's less hesitancy with her reads.

[v]Celeste[/v]

I have no idea if I'll make it on before deadline again. I will try to get on at lunch, but it's possible I'll be working straight through 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] BFG [/v]

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Len [/v]

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Celeste [/v]

 

 

[V]Hally[/v]

Breaks my heart tho.

 

 

 

A gut vibe isn't very easy for me to do anything with, so I'll just keep you in my POE and see if your reads change. I can't say I have a solid read on Len or Calder atp.

 

 

I think it's time for me to [unvote] Hallia, even though I disagree still with some of her strongest reads I got the feeling as we were butting heads yesterday that she wasn't as scummy as my brain wanted her to be. I'll give you a null for now, Hallia.

 

Then I think I'll [v]Shad[/v].

 

He has never had a problem seeming solving as a wolf and he fooled me once. This time around I have disagreements with the way he's nitpicking at certain people. It doesn't sit right with me. 

 

 

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

I'm going back to look at Shad

 

 

You're right about your wording. I still don't see why it matters though

 

[unvote]

 

This was a bad push. I don't know what I'm doing. it's 4am, gonna continue looking at a shad iso

 

 

 

 

12. Please use the tags to vote for somebody - [ v ]Simonds[ /v ] , [ /unvote ] without the spaces.

 

Unclear if unvoting is required. Point is moot, as Manbat unvoted before his most recent vote.

 

Vote count:

 

• Celeste - 2 - Hallia, BFG
• Turin Turambar - 2 - Lenlo, manbat
• Manbat - 2 - Shad, Turin Turambar
• Calder - 1 - Celeste
• csarmi - 1 - Hallia
• Shad - 1 - Sooh

[Eldrick4221]

Test

[csarmi]

I think I voted Halleh.

[Eldrick4221]

you did. I accidentally reversed those lol.

 

This is why I also quoted them.

[csarmi]

We'll fast forward to a few years later.
No one knows except the both of us.
I'll have honored your request for silence.
And you've washed your hands clean of this.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

Vote count:

 

• Hallia - 1 - Sooh
• Celeste - 1 - Hallia
• Turin Turambar - 1 - manbat
• Manbat - 4 - Zander, Shad, Turin Turambar, Calder
• Calder - 1 - Celeste

 

 

Agreed both of those are suspect. Turin is apparently caught up yet this is all he says to. I want more

[V]Turin [/v]

 

Going into lecture for the next 3 hours, but when I'm out and home I'm gonna ISO Turin and see what that brings up.

 

 

 

Gonna [v]unvote manbat[/v]. I was prob just dead wrong on D0 or you are good at playing me. I buy the frustration.

 

I do hate that other major discussions were mostly over lurkers.

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Hallia [/v]

 

 

ok

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

 

 

[v]nolder[/v]

 

 

[v]Csarmi[/v]

 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

Eh, it's not really that bad

 

[v]unvote[/v] for now

 

 

[v] celeste [/v]

 

 

Woo woo

 

 

To be certain it is there

 

[v] Celeste [/v]

 

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Turin [/v]

 

 

So tomorrow's going to be a long day I think.

 

I haven't done a full ISO on Celeste in Wow and I haven't looked through her other games.

 

In ISO this game

 

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597564 http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597571 thinks everyone VT D0

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597576 Len2 looks bad for the Csarmi thing, wants to talk with Shad, disappointed in Nolder

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597583 asks Shad about Nolder

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597587 asks Calder why her

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597619 thinks Manbat's town (Rustlemania)

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597649 votes Calder because his joke tone rubbing her the wrong way

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597659 Zander tunnels

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597661 not taking chance on Calder after Nolder in WoW

 

More Zander tunnels

 

"hi Eldrick"

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3597832 asks Hallia opinion on Calder

 

People haven't checked in much

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3598027 Turin feels different

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96491-advanced-gods-and-demons-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3598031 asks Turin about Calder

 

 

 

From the first couple of pages in her ISO from WoW

 

More fluff - but different stage of game, so this much is null

 

"not an early game player"

 

"Wish town with reservations" (paraphrased)

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-game-over-mafia-wins/?view=findpost&p=3587497 this needed to be linked as it's her first vote and it is only 24 hours in to the game

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96393-basicstandard-warcraft-war-of-the-ancients-mafia-game-over-mafia-wins/?view=findpost&p=3588060 first reads list, 2 days in? Other than Pizza her town reads are all people she has experience with before...

 

Also tricky to draw a fair comparison since she was on the defensive pretty early that game.

 

 

 

 

 

Strangely enough a brief 1 game comparison doesn't give me strong feelings, but she is different this game, whether it's different enough I don't know. She's being comparatively more open/direct with reads this game, and the reads are things that are 'odd' or scummy instead of townie, there's none of the 'slow start' posts this game, there's less hesitancy with her reads.

 

[v]Celeste[/v]

 

I have no idea if I'll make it on before deadline again. I will try to get on at lunch, but it's possible I'll be working straight through 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] BFG [/v]

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Len [/v]

 

 

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Celeste [/v]

 

 

[V]Hally[/v]

Breaks my heart tho.

 

 

 

A gut vibe isn't very easy for me to do anything with, so I'll just keep you in my POE and see if your reads change. I can't say I have a solid read on Len or Calder atp.

 

 

I think it's time for me to [unvote] Hallia, even though I disagree still with some of her strongest reads I got the feeling as we were butting heads yesterday that she wasn't as scummy as my brain wanted her to be. I'll give you a null for now, Hallia.

 

Then I think I'll [v]Shad[/v].

 

He has never had a problem seeming solving as a wolf and he fooled me once. This time around I have disagreements with the way he's nitpicking at certain people. It doesn't sit right with me. 

 

 

 

[v]Turin[/v]

 

I'm going back to look at Shad

 

 

You're right about your wording. I still don't see why it matters though

 

[unvote]

 

This was a bad push. I don't know what I'm doing. it's 4am, gonna continue looking at a shad iso

 

 

 

 

12. Please use the tags to vote for somebody - [ v ]Simonds[ /v ] , [ /unvote ] without the spaces.

 

Unclear if unvoting is required. Point is moot, as Manbat unvoted before his most recent vote.

 

Vote count:

 

• Celeste - 3 - Hallia, BFG, Zander
• Turin Turambar - 2 - Lenlo, manbat
• Manbat - 2 - Shad, Turin Turambar
• Calder - 1 - Celeste
• Hallia - 1 - csarmi
• Shad - 1 - Sooh

 

Fixed.

[Eldrick4221]

Also possibly worth noting. Pral said he would sheep Zander's vote. Hasn't voted at all.

[Eldrick4221]

Apparently I'm in Mountain time right now. I can never keep track of when dst makes me mountain and when I'm pacific :P