[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Shad_]

meh

[alannalynn]

Skimming while eating, can I get a WTL from everyone? What order would you lynch your bottom 3?

 

Cass

Celeste

Pral

[Cass]

Website just had a little hiccup and you mentioned you had to run.

 

Thanks for stopping by, your answer was good. I want to know more but this is fine for now.

I'll be back at lunch and then assuming I don't die will play/read over next two days when it's not my turn to drive.

 

Honestly though, if it's not Nolder/Pral/Celeste the deep Wolf pretty much deserves to win.

 

Question for everybody: Assuming you know 100% without a doubt that I am Town, who looks the most likely Scum?

[Celeste]

@Penny, are joke votes normal for you? Why'd you pick me?

 

They are unless I know nobody in the game. I had my suspensions since you role mafia here a lot that you might act differently to a simple joke vote. Take it seriously like some people do as mafia.

[Cass]

@Laine

 

If I'm no. 1 still because of early game and scattered questioning you need to look at my last two Town games.

 

Me being random and low utility doesn't make me Scum.

 

Pizza/Penny can link Snake cult from the Org

 

And

 

Penny/Lenny can link Rockerfella from PersC

[Celeste]

Skimming while eating, can I get a WTL from everyone? What order would you lynch your bottom 3?

 

Cass

Celeste

Pral

Pral 

Nolder 

? <- Undecided

[Shad_]

Well here's my issue:

 

 

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!


:wub: :wub:

I've never played with you/seen you Town, but I'd expect you to just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! (or at least Lol first)
No need to tell him, he's reading along :P

 

 

First of all how do you think I feel forced?(1) Second "our scum game" Have we played together before....???? Or are you referring to Alanna?(2)

Cory knows my soul and he will be able to help clear things up for you!!!!

1. Did you get to the post where I actually sat down and answered the question yet? Read on that (and this post) please..!
2. We've never played together before. I'm referring to Alanna.

I'm slightly insulted/incredulous that you think you may have forgotten if we'd played together. I also thought it was obvious that I was talking to Alanna, so you being dramatic about it makes me raise an eyebrow.

I don't particularly like the things I bolded coming from you, but when I look at the points I'm lining up against you it's like looking in a mirror. I will so laugh if we are T-T tinfoiling our way to misreads! I can totally see us doing so, based on paranoia/possibility personality. Again, not voting to lynch you yet. But if you're a wolf, I'm gonna hunt you down

I think it's too early for either of us to call the other wolf tbh. Not removing wary gut feels, but definitely allowing for the possibility you may be Town .

What's your actual take on our interactions right now?

 

 

 

 

 

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!


:wub: :wub:

I've never played with you/seen you Town, but I'd expect you to just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! (or at least Lol first)
No need to tell him, he's reading along :P

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

lmklmklmk

- Joke votes are not normal for me except if I feel relatively comfortable with someone both inside and outside the game.
- Dice and Penny are probably the only players I would jokevote at this stage of my career.
- Voting is not something I do lightly in any case (to this point). I don't like being wrong. I'm think I'm learning the advantages of throwing votes around, but it's not something I easily/naturally want to do when there's a game to win!!

I play... differently to this? More carefully/sensored? Usually. As either alignment. But I'm hyper! (winding down) and trying not to take the game so seriously, trying to be more me than a player, if that makes sense? Blame Chris/Cory if I don't make sense. They encouraged the unleashing of #FullCass! :D :D

 

 

 

good morning

Morning Turin havent played with you in a long time or really much at all for that matter looking forward to it man!!!!

 

it has been a while. let's lunch some wolves.

 

Lets do this brother!!!

 

#Gutread awkward

Turin have you played with Cass??

Like do you have any Meta on her?

Im a pretty heavy Meta reliant player so I need some info on her.

#Gutread more awkward because bold reads forced/unnecessary

Z, I think I played once or twice with her in the game. I don't recall a lot about her but I think she is a more analytical player. I recall dice always having to tell her to go to sleep.

For me, I'm Turin and I like lazy Sunday mornings in bed, medium sized walks in the park and living here in the shire.

I'm town. Like always.

I can be analytical when I put my mind to it. I like sifting through stuff and finding nitty-gritty inconsistencies. That goes for play in either alignment.
I've tried to sleep more the last couple of games. I think you're more likely to understand me correctly this game if you think like Dice and just question if I seem like me.


TLDR I'm wary, but I doubt I'm voting you today Zan, because I want fun :D If you're Town and we figure each other out this game will #FULLTWINENFPFTW!

 

(1)How serious, if at all are you with the lolololololol part??? And also I always need to tell Cory i love him ldo!!!!! lollololololol

Thanks for the Meta info, I look forward to hearing others weigh in on it!!! and I cant wait to see #FULLCASS....i picture something like this....

It seems like you've already come in with the preconceived notion of reading me scummy and that's not a good look my dear (2)...Like each of my interactions youve felt off about, I mean I get that people Ive never played with before may sense that but its just that all youre using is Forced and Awkward....and like 6 pages in, that seems very weird, but then I'm also weighing in the ENFP (3) so Im kinda meh with this, but something Im noticing fwiw.

4. Why would you think my Meta talk is forced or unnecessary, especially sense theres a bunch of players I havent played with much or at all and the fact that everyone who has played with me will tell you IM EXACTLY a Meta reliant player???!!!!


Well I want to make sure we figure each other out because so far it feels a little off putting to me my dear!!!!

 

1. Pretty serious that I thought you'd be less serious tbh!
2. Potentially I expected you to be obvTown to me if you were Town and I'm honing in on you because you're not yet. So kinda the opposite to pre-conceiving that someone's scum (lolannoyingwolfgifisannoyinglol);
3. Yup. That's what, if anything, will have me lean you Town right now.

4. The meta questions stood out to me because I expected you to try and read me on your own.

Basically, looking at it, I think most of it comes down to #assumptions (on my part), and those assumptions are quite potentially silly given that we've never played together before. I'll reign in the tinfoil for a while if you do! :P

 

 

 

 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.
[v]Kaylee[/v]

I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.

The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.
On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.

 

Cass, help me out a bit. Can you link me to a game in which you struggled to read Kaylee?

 

- House of Cards
- Frozen

Scummed against her in HoC, spectated Frozen. Couldn't understand/wouldn't have read her Town for most of HoC if I'd been Town, had her null-scum from beginning of Frozen before checking DT.

 

 

You started off this game engaging Zander, you both called out things that pinged each other, and then you mutually backed down. A key point in backing away was that you hadn't seen him town/played with him before and you might be making "potentially silly" assumptions about what his town game would look like. You even expressed frustration with Zander for his failure to remember that the two of you have never played together before.

But you played together in April Fools, where he was town. And you played together in A Tale of Middle Earth, where he was town. And you very explicitly paid attention to his town game in Frozen:
 

Also, this is the first real game I've followed him in, but <3 Zander!

You didn't have any trouble recalling your previous encounters with Kaylee, even when the same game was involved. You and Zander are good buddies. I struggle to grasp how town!Cass forgets so much about him.

Whereas if scum!Cass assumes no one will be arsed to do the research, she can pretty easily play up unfamiliarity with Zander's town game to present herself as having been on to him all along without ever actually pushing him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I honestly don't know.

 

I've had too many misfires and I'm prepared to just eat my murder in peace.

 

Assuming Shad and Alanna vote together, I'm following them to heaven or hell.

[Cass]

 

 

 

@Penny, are joke votes normal for you? Why'd you pick me?

They are unless I know nobody in the game. I had my suspensions since you role mafia here a lot that you might act differently to a simple joke vote. Take it seriously like some people do as mafia.

This seems slightly sus/reliant on WIFOM rather than your own recent experience of me as Town X 2.

 

Why the focus on me as possible scum? Why wouldn't your focus have been to see if I played the same as you'd seen Town?

 

What, if anything did you see in my response?

 

Ugh. I'm getting huffed at IRL and rightly so.

 

Back in 1-2hrs. Shad what was your question/thought?

[Cass]

Well here's my issue:

 

 

 

 

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

:wub: :wub:

 

I've never played with you/seen you Town, but I'd expect you to just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! (or at least Lol first)

No need to tell him, he's reading along :P

 

First of all how do you think I feel forced?(1) Second "our scum game" Have we played together before....???? Or are you referring to Alanna?(2)

Cory knows my soul and he will be able to help clear things up for you!!!!

 

1. Did you get to the post where I actually sat down and answered the question yet? Read on that (and this post) please..!2. We've never played together before. I'm referring to Alanna.I'm slightly insulted/incredulous that you think you may have forgotten if we'd played together. I also thought it was obvious that I was talking to Alanna, so you being dramatic about it makes me raise an eyebrow.

I don't particularly like the things I bolded coming from you, but when I look at the points I'm lining up against you it's like looking in a mirror. I will so laugh if we are T-T tinfoiling our way to misreads! I can totally see us doing so, based on paranoia/possibility personality. Again, not voting to lynch you yet. But if you're a wolf, I'm gonna hunt you down

I think it's too early for either of us to call the other wolf tbh. Not removing wary gut feels, but definitely allowing for the possibility you may be Town .

What's your actual take on our interactions right now?

 

 

 

 

 

OFC YOU CAN USE THE LOLOLOLOLOLOL

ALSO TELL CORY I LOVE HIM!!!!!!

:wub: :wub:

 

I've never played with you/seen you Town, but I'd expect you to just LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! (or at least Lol first)

No need to tell him, he's reading along :P

Cass I have no Meta on you...is joke votes normal for you? How do you play? What are your scum tells??? Or is it just straight Rand.Org has forever branded you a Wolf??!!!

lmklmklmk

 

- Joke votes are not normal for me except if I feel relatively comfortable with someone both inside and outside the game.

- Dice and Penny are probably the only players I would jokevote at this stage of my career.

- Voting is not something I do lightly in any case (to this point). I don't like being wrong. I'm think I'm learning the advantages of throwing votes around, but it's not something I easily/naturally want to do when there's a game to win!!

I play... differently to this? More carefully/sensored? Usually. As either alignment. But I'm hyper! (winding down) and trying not to take the game so seriously, trying to be more me than a player, if that makes sense? Blame Chris/Cory if I don't make sense. They encouraged the unleashing of #FullCass! :D :D

 

 

 

good morning

 

Morning Turin havent played with you in a long time or really much at all for that matter looking forward to it man!!!!

it has been a while. let's lunch some wolves.

Lets do this brother!!!

#Gutread awkward

Turin have you played with Cass??

Like do you have any Meta on her?Im a pretty heavy Meta reliant player so I need some info on her.

 

#Gutread more awkward because bold reads forced/unnecessary

Z, I think I played once or twice with her in the game. I don't recall a lot about her but I think she is a more analytical player. I recall dice always having to tell her to go to sleep.

For me, I'm Turin and I like lazy Sunday mornings in bed, medium sized walks in the park and living here in the shire.

I'm town. Like always.

 

I can be analytical when I put my mind to it. I like sifting through stuff and finding nitty-gritty inconsistencies. That goes for play in either alignment.

I've tried to sleep more the last couple of games. I think you're more likely to understand me correctly this game if you think like Dice and just question if I seem like me.

TLDR I'm wary, but I doubt I'm voting you today Zan, because I want fun :D If you're Town and we figure each other out this game will #FULLTWINENFPFTW!

(1)How serious, if at all are you with the lolololololol part??? And also I always need to tell Cory i love him ldo!!!!! lollololololol

Thanks for the Meta info, I look forward to hearing others weigh in on it!!! and I cant wait to see #FULLCASS....i picture something like this....

 

 

It seems like you've already come in with the preconceived notion of reading me scummy and that's not a good look my dear (2)...Like each of my interactions youve felt off about, I mean I get that people Ive never played with before may sense that but its just that all youre using is Forced and Awkward....and like 6 pages in, that seems very weird, but then I'm also weighing in the ENFP (3) so Im kinda meh with this, but something Im noticing fwiw.4. Why would you think my Meta talk is forced or unnecessary, especially sense theres a bunch of players I havent played with much or at all and the fact that everyone who has played with me will tell you IM EXACTLY a Meta reliant player???!!!!

Well I want to make sure we figure each other out because so far it feels a little off putting to me my dear!!!!

1. Pretty serious that I thought you'd be less serious tbh!

2. Potentially I expected you to be obvTown to me if you were Town and I'm honing in on you because you're not yet. So kinda the opposite to pre-conceiving that someone's scum (lolannoyingwolfgifisannoyinglol);

3. Yup. That's what, if anything, will have me lean you Town right now.

4. The meta questions stood out to me because I expected you to try and read me on your own.Basically, looking at it, I think most of it comes down to #assumptions (on my part), and those assumptions are quite potentially silly given that we've never played together before. I'll reign in the tinfoil for a while if you do! :P

 

 

 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.

The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.

Cass, help me out a bit. Can you link me to a game in which you struggled to read Kaylee?

- House of Cards

- FrozenScummed against her in HoC, spectated Frozen. Couldn't understand/wouldn't have read her Town for most of HoC if I'd been Town, had her null-scum from beginning of Frozen before checking DT.

 

You started off this game engaging Zander, you both called out things that pinged each other, and then you mutually backed down. A key point in backing away was that you hadn't seen him town/played with him before and you might be making "potentially silly" assumptions about what his town game would look like. You even expressed frustration with Zander for his failure to remember that the two of you have never played together before.

But you played together in April Fools, where he was town. And you played together in A Tale of Middle Earth, where he was town. And you very explicitly paid attention to his town game in Frozen:

 

Also, this is the first real game I've followed him in, but <3 Zander!

 

You didn't have any trouble recalling your previous encounters with Kaylee, even when the same game was involved. You and Zander are good buddies. I struggle to grasp how town!Cass forgets so much about him.

Whereas if scum!Cass assumes no one will be arsed to do the research, she can pretty easily play up unfamiliarity with Zander's town game to present herself as having been on to him all along without ever actually pushing him.

I've got nothing for this except, well, nothing lol

 

I remember more about Kaylee because she's frustrating for me to try and understand/read.

 

I hesitated on Zander because I wanted time to figure him out. IIRC correctly he was the one focusing/pushing that he had no meta on me, I was pushing him/trying to figure him out.

 

I'm sorry if this leads to my lynch.

[alannalynn]

Hm.

[alannalynn]

I honestly don't know.

 

I've had too many misfires and I'm prepared to just eat my murder in peace.

 

Assuming Shad and Alanna vote together, I'm following them to heaven or hell.

I don't know where you're getting "too many misfires" from when you literally just lynched Kaylee but you helped find Csarmi and Zander, so buck up and give us an ordered WTL and some input, man, because I don't know wtf I'm doing anyways

[alannalynn]

I feel like my head is going to explode.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Laine, I outed Turin and Lenlo both.

 

I'm prepared to lynch Nolder as I said, Celeste is also fine.

 

If it's outside of that, I am not sure.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not strong arming this lynch. I'll go wherever my village wants to.

 

You absolutely want me to make the call I will, but I'd rather give Shad or yourself or Wish a shot.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also Shad gets most of the credit on Zander. I wasn't brave enough to pull the trigger there until he pointed me at stuff Zander was doing which was really OOC for him.

[alannalynn]

Who really cares about PRs, we don't need them to figure this out, don't worry about those two

 

You want to lynch Nolder? Do you not think he's town anymore? What's changed your mind?

 

I could easily lynch Celeste before Cass today

[wish-tree]

I'm here, still in pain. My lynch order from before still applies.

Pralaya/Nolder/Cass before touching anyone else. Then I'd go Celeste/Shad if I absolutely had to....

 

I don't think I'll have to.

[wish-tree]

My reread, though I didn't write down my conclusions, is that I'm less lock sure of Celeste being town, but I still strongly believe that she is. If she has changed the way she plays, then she can be scum. Otherwise, she has tried to change her play before, and it has failed. I've still learned to read her well.

 

[Shad_]

I'm kind of in that zone where I think I've caught a big fish and it's really hard to yank my head out of it and see other perspectives.

 

I was kind of waffling on this when I thought it was just April Fools and ME, because those were older games and Zander was new.  When I realized she'd spectated Frozen and talked about watching Zander in particular there, my siren went off.  It's loud, and flashy, and hard to think around.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nolder feels different, very much so, from the game he was town in a couple games back.

 

I feel like his behavior can be an act, a lot. Because many of his reactions seem exaggerated or politically motivated.

 

How he interacted with you today, in particular, feels manipulative. Like sophisticated stalling.

 

His Shad suspicions which keep getting teased with a case that never comes also feels like horse doo-doo.

 

Finally, I feel like he simply wasn't prepared to be proven that wrong that early, after the Csarmi and Zander flips, and my claim of vigilante.

 

As such, he's got little choice but to roll with it and basically pretend like he's just got weird reads.

 

I sense a lot of refuge in audacity motive from his behavior, and I feel like he thinks if he goes the completely undiplomatic route and tries to shake our faith in ourselves enough he can foment a very negative environment while also getting the reaction from people that this is just how Nolder is.

 

Sorry, I don't see how any of it is helpful. I think he's got a looooooot of wolf equity.

[wish-tree]

Because of Cass's odd, paranoid focus, though she has been doing a lot in terms of scum hunting, and even voted csarmi first, while I reread the interactions, I could not see how she was so paranoid even at the beginning of the game, when most other people were relaxed, and her attitude gave off the impression that it would be relaxed. Instead, it was frenetic and graspy, though I've noticed it calming down a lot as the days progressed.

[wish-tree]

Where's Pralaya???

 

He isn't even trying. :/

[wish-tree]

Yeah, even I'm starting to get swayed by the Shad was certain that you/Penny weren't w/w argument... Lol

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote Cass

Vote Nolder