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[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

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Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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At L-1 with this much time left on the clock, with Pralaya guilty, the people not hammering are villagers a lot.

Keep in mind people were explicitly asked to not hammer. I've seen town get lynched or nearly lynched a couple times for ignoring that and dropping the bomb on a townie early. I don't read much into the wagonomics here.

 

 

I get what you're saying.

alannalynn Spam Master

alannalynn

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I'm somewhat present as well

 

You're leaning more towards Pralaya than Kaylee still? Or has that changed?

 

It's okay whatever you answer, I'm never voting you.

I'm stuck in the middle but I'm willing to go either way. Kaylee will have to be resolved eventually anyways, and so will Pral. I guess it doesn't really matter which way we go. I feel like I have enough players that I trust that there is no way we can lose this game unless Shad/Pizza are wolves and this is all a set up. Which is a silly notion. 

wish-tree Rising Star

wish-tree

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I'm still leaning Pralaya over Kaylee, Pizza. I moved my vote because of what you said, and she's looking worse now for hedging her read on Pralaya and Nolder, but Pralaya isn't even here, plus, Kaylee is making more of an effort than he is.

alannalynn Spam Master

alannalynn

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I think if I had more time to go back and look at that EOD with Kaylee/Csarmi/Zander I would feel a little bit better, but as it is I'm in class until later.

 

Basically for the past few days I've been waiting for a Pral lynch hoping that he's it and I don't have to worry.

Kaylee Spam Master

Kaylee

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Grabbed it. Also grabbed a few others with recent thoughts on others.

 

 

l feel like I have said all my thoughts at this point. If you have any questions I'm here.

Anything to say about what I recently pointed out about you?

  

Pral: your points against me are stronger for D1. What I mean is that my reads strong and I was very wishy washy. Since D2 started however, I've made solid reads considering the info we gained. I've made points/arguments why I have my reads where they are. Having me as one of your top scum reads for liking posts is weak at this point in the game. I could see if I hadn't put in any work but I have.

  

I am worried about Cass as deep wolf. Esp if Pral is town. Then maybe Nolder and Cass as final wolves?

  

Pizza: of those on his lynch Leno is town as likely cop. I'm town but in POE, pretty sure Laine is town. I have her as blue. So maybe a deep wolf in wish? If not than his train is clean. If he's town I'd expect wolves to want to take him down. Could be they're letting us hang one of our own. That could point to me next as the one who started his train. Problem is if Nolder and Cass are scum, they're not voting so that doesn't mean much from what I said.

Guess all that at to say he could be town. He's gone after me before and this feels the same. He was town from what I remember. That's more meta related than play related

  

These got out of order somehow, sorry about that. Anyway here's the progression from me being Celeste's vote to her putting Pral at L-1.

As for Kito, he lurks a whole lot, so it's hard to accuse him of actually being scummy. However, when he's accused, he'll expand in terms of how much he says. Celeste seems to be comparing Pralaya's play to Kito's in terms of their tendencies and their behavior in different alignments.

 

This came more recently but it's where Wish explains how Celeste is reading Pral. I don't get it to tell you the truth. It's about meta I think.

 

 

 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 

 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.

 

The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.

 

On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.

 

@Penny

I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 

 

1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 

 

2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 

 

 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.

 

Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.

 Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 

blue was @ Laine btw

 

I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.

 

Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.

2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 

This one I questioned on my last argument about her. This feels like his scum play to her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 

 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.

 

The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.

 

On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.

 

@Penny

I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 

 

1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 

 

2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 

 

 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.

 

Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.

 Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 

blue was @ Laine btw

 

I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.

 

Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

 

 

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.

2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 

Oh Penny, what am I going to do with you??

 

1. Ok, good point. Why is this enough to vote? Have you got anything else?

 

2. Give me examples of how Pral's play feels scummy to you. Explain as much as you can.

 

 

While we're at it, please find me some examples where you've cracked under pressure when Town. 

 

 

 

 If you're Town, I feel I intuitively get you now. I can't fully trust that yet though, I haven't seen all of your content and I haven't seen you scum :P

 

 

 

 

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1. It just felt right in a way. I just feel like Kaylee has more wolf equity with her talking of Zander in a way than others.

 

2. I really can't explain gut vibes well, you just have to believe me on them.  http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Ft5AzhkhYF4W I don't remember where it got rough but it was a horrible loss of temper for me.

  

Ok upon further explanation it's part for vibes. She also justifies her vote on me with me having more "wolf equity". Ok moving on.

I think I have a way to explain my Nolder and Prayala read. I need wish though to translate it because it's based off two similar play styles.

  

So here I go. Nolder to me is a mix of the players dizzy/halcyon from my home site. Dizzy usually has the town tells to get away from lynches usually as both alignments. Halcyon has this uncertainty vibe around him as scum when being read which is my main concern with Nolder. It also feels like he gets away with the PoE in this game a bit more than me. Pralaya is basically like Kito to me who is really quiet and prefers scum to town roles. Meaning he is slightly more content filled when on the defense. I have to return to chores but this is my explanation. Hopefully wish can help me get it more clear if confused.

 

Yeah here's the explaining of her Pral read. Don't get it.

 

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[v]Pralaya[/v] I will respond to some posts now but not sure when I will be back.

So I have more wolf equity due to Zander interactions and have had more reason/likely to be wolf. (Something like that she said when I questioned her voting me over Pral). Yet now she's changed to putting him at L-1.

I look forward to hearing what she says considering in her posts I don't see why, meta or gut would make her change her vote.

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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Cass stalling out on Kaylee wasn't a good look for her regardless of Kaylee's alignment, but especially if Kay is a wolf.

 

I want info, and Kaylee wolf tells us a lot about Pralaya, our other contender.

 

Kaylee wolf also tells us a lot about Cass, the only person I have high on the list with any green as opposed to blue.

Kaylee Spam Master

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I'm still leaning Pralaya over Kaylee, Pizza. I moved my vote because of what you said, and she's looking worse now for hedging her read on Pralaya and Nolder, but Pralaya isn't even here, plus, Kaylee is making more of an effort than he is.

I'm not hedging my read. I said earlier that his case against me makes me think he could be town. However he's in my POE and I didn't feel it strong enough to unvote. Think I said exactly that.

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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Okay I do have a question for you @Kaylee, and it won't require research.

 

I am worried about Cass as deep wolf. Esp if Pral is town. Then maybe Nolder and Cass as final wolves?

 

Why would Pralaya being a townie affect your Cass read?

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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I need a quick, solid answer on that question as I feel a lack of villagery thought process there is alignment-indicative.

 

If you can knock that answer out of the park, I'll think about lynching Pralaya. But it's gotta be amaze.

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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Cass, I know you're not hammering because I asked you not to, but you stopped talking.

 

Where are you?

 

Everyone else even the really busy peoples has said stuff in the past 30 mins.

Cass Master

Cass

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Reading Kaylee ISO wrt Zander/Csarmi, noting the stalling on the Csarmi lynch and reading Zander town, realising she posted a lot more than I noted, and there's more there than 'question-agree-back-off' which, besides the ?buss/buddy move was what I disliked most, dropping into mentor chat, dealing with crying/barking kid, hating that I always suck at EoD and haven't had time to commit to the game.

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