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Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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Im good with a Pral lynch for today. Who should I view tonight? Im thinking Celeste but im tempted by the tinfoil of Cass.

 

If Pralaya flips scum Godfather or roleblocker, Nolder is lock clear blue.

 

View Alanna, and we'll just POE Celeste, now that I think about it.

 

So just lock down our town core, I gotcha.

 

As I said, ive never been taught how to use town PRs. I always make bad decisions with them that sometimes work out, like Mass Effect.

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Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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If that's the final 2 it doesn't matter if we have a cop, frankly the only thing that mattered this game was the vigilante.

It was a pretty hero shot.

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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If Alanna is exactly the scum Godfather, a innocent view of her would have negligible effect on the game as there are enough live powers and blue villagers that she was never a priority for the murder anyway despite such a good game.

 

If Alanna is exactly the scum roleblocker, you won't get a view. If we lynch the Godfather, you won't get a view.

 

But the town vigilante or the JOAT is actually a bigger problem for the scum team at the moment anyway.

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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Well, based on the above logic, is it even worthwhile to view her?

 

I'm struggling to think of a good view, actually.

 

Kaylee? Maybe??? Doubtful that's a good view, she's town a lot and unlikely to be the scum roleblocker.

Lenlo Spam Master

Lenlo

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Well, based on the above logic, is it even worthwhile to view her?

 

I'm struggling to think of a good view, actually.

 

Kaylee? Maybe??? Doubtful that's a good view, she's town a lot and unlikely to be the scum roleblocker.

Get back to me on it. Im going to sleep.

 

[v]Pral[/v]

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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No, seriously. Who should we view here?

 

I can't think of a view that comes to mind outside of the bottom two in my poe, and we're lynching one of those two today, and likely vigging the other or lynching the other tomorrow.

 

And a view could be useless unless it's exactly a guilty result.

 

An innocent view on our villagers doesn't tell us that much. Only a red view of our villagers would be helpful.

Celeste Collaborator

Celeste

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No, seriously. Who should we view here?

 

I can't think of a view that comes to mind outside of the bottom two in my poe, and we're lynching one of those two today, and likely vigging the other or lynching the other tomorrow.

 

And a view could be useless unless it's exactly a guilty result.

 

An innocent view on our villagers doesn't tell us that much. Only a red view of our villagers would be helpful.

Everything is molding together atm. Where is your PoE list again?

Celeste Collaborator

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Ok. Sorry I haven't been here in a while. Zander pushed Lenny/me a lot which makes me think we were his scape goats. I also wanted to say earlier that Csarmi town read Zander before scum reading him I believe.

 

 

 

Kind of not feeling good on Kaylee with how much Zander said they are mind melding.

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

I'm not opposed to this but I really need to figure you two out.

 

The vibe I got toward EoD was that Kaylee did a lot to get out of her lynch, and she did it well. This could come from Scum or Town Kaylee IMO. My gut feel later was that she could be scum bussing Csarmi and buddying me once Csarmi started going down (if I've understood correctly, this is in Kaylee's meta and something she does well). It was a strong feel and FWIW if she's the scum this fits with Shad's theory that I'm scum scapegoat in Zander's eyes. There were a couple of things she said that I thought were either indications that she was genuinely more confident that I was Town or buddying me. It freaked me out a little and I backed off to see how she'd respond today. I wish I could trust her, but I don't.

 

On the other hand, I always read Kay scum. She's impossible for me. She could be Town.

 

@Penny

I think you're probably Town, but I can't lock you in yet, and I'd feel better if I could. 

 

1. Why are you pulling out Kaylee in particular? IMO he mentioned mind-melding much more noticeably with Laine. 

 

2. What do you make of Nolder, Lenlo, Pral? 

 

 

 

General thought: If there is a Godfather, it's probably not Wish.

 

Unless you think Zander hard busses his GF on day 1.

 

Also, love the hard work you put in last night but we have to reconsider EoD in light of confirmed competing scum trains.

 

blue was @ Laine btw

 

I can see Zander hard bussing GF D1, for sure.

 

Where are you at on Nolder and Pral?

 

 

 

1. Laine seemed to have some reservations to Zander saying they are mind melding I believe. Kaylee didn't have any hesitant thoughts at all to it.

 

2. Pral I have been suspicious of. This feels like his scum play. Nolder needs to be looked at closely today. Lenlo is still iffy because he tunneled me most of yesterday. Didn't seem to be looking elsewhere.

 

 

Oh Penny, what am I going to do with you??

 

1. Ok, good point. Why is this enough to vote? Have you got anything else?

 

2. Give me examples of how Pral's play feels scummy to you. Explain as much as you can.

 

 

While we're at it, please find me some examples where you've cracked under pressure when Town. 

 

 

 

 If you're Town, I feel I intuitively get you now. I can't fully trust that yet though, I haven't seen all of your content and I haven't seen you scum :P

 

 

 

 

*snipped*

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1. It just felt right in a way. I just feel like Kaylee has more wolf equity with her talking of Zander in a way than others.

 

2. I really can't explain gut vibes well, you just have to believe me on them.  http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Ft5AzhkhYF4W I don't remember where it got rough but it was a horrible loss of temper for me.

 

 

Celeste: I'd like you to dig into this for me (blue parts).

 

Shad: What theory are you talking about here (purple part)? (I think this is what Cass wrote)

 

Cass: The part in red I've highlighted is really pingy to me. I don't know what to do with it. Please explain it and what your current read of Kaylee is. 

 

In Shad's post? Or something else. This isn't quite clear to me.

 

Bolded it for you.

Shad_ Spam Master

Shad_

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Lenlo, that's the same exact argument that Zander used regarding me. I'm pretty sure you can read what I wrote in response to his case on me, which was built off what he saw as contradictions in my early game meta. We've gone over this. I said that I hate using gut reads, but they work, especially for people I know. You're taking my posts and seriously not trying to take in consideration what I was thinking at the time. Early day 1 was really bad for me, as I didn't know the game had even started, and then had to catch up to lots of pages I'd missed. Irt Celeste/me appearing at the same time, we're often on Skype on a regular basis, and finish talking/gaming before doing forum Mafia stuff. It's normal.

 

I legit laughed when I first read Lenlo's post and simultaneously :ph34r: because it is entirely impossible for me to ever fully trust someone scum!Zander pushes as hard as he did you.

Askthepizzaguy Rising Star

Askthepizzaguy

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Thinking more on cop views-

 

Shad's a terrible view unless he's somehow a red peek, and I never think Shad is a red peek this game. His play makes him a murder always, think on him at final 3 only, if ever. Even then I doubt you'd get my vote there in some alternate universe where I survived that long, not gonna happen.

 

Alanna's only a good view if she is the scum roleblocker, and I think that's unlikely, but fine. I also think Godfather is less likely, but Alanna is good, I suppose there's a distant possibility of this.

 

Nolder is solid blue if Pralaya is a scum, in my opinion, regardless of what kind of scum Pralaya is. Minus another goon I suppose, but really? I don't think even then. A red flip by Pralaya puts Nolder above Alanna on the list.

 

Wish? But then Zander wouldn't have pushed her that hard and also been town-read by his teammates, because the only people not town-reading him were Wish, myself, and Shad... unless I'm missing someone. Wish should be above Alanna as well. Basically Alanna is my final three lynch target if all the remainders were people who are currently blue, which is approximately impossible.

 

Cass.

 

That's your view. I remove the likelihood of Cass as the scum Godfather based on her extremely quirky opener and then giant shift in behavior.

 

As Godfather, you generally won't be bussed by your team or even suspected very much, you want to be town-read by people and scanned, but probably not on night one. That said, some scums might play for a n1 peek of the godfather even though imo that's bad play. You also want to avoid exhibiting behavior that could get you lynched without being viewed, or forced to make a claim that could draw a murder by getting too many votes on you. Almost any player and almost every scum team I've ever seen with a godfather had these common fundamentals when dealing with that role's inclusion to the game.

 

Cass' behavior is very un-Godfatherly, and as such, to remove all doubt of deep wolfing, should be locked blue by scan.

 

It's faintly that she randed scum roleblocker, got coached by Cory to give a hella villagery opener, and then skate for a while, give an excuse here or there, whatever. That's the only way I could see her play as being remotely viable. Would explain why she didn't gain a lot of votes this game.

 

But cold read of her still looks very solid. And all I'm really looking for now is a red peek, and it's vaguely possible Cass could be a red peek.

 

Kaylee has some slight chance of being Godfather this game, so don't peek there. Treat her like you would if this game had no cop at all. That's how you deal with Kaylee-slot.

 

Leaves Celeste, who has a better chance of being Godfather, and is already POE'd out, so scanning her red is fine but she's dying tomorrow anyway.

 

You want a red peek on someone who isn't immediately POE'd here. That's the only correct move.

 

Celeste wins if everyone decides to arbitrarily remove her from POE tomorrow, which is only possible with a blue peek, so it's a terrible peek.

 

That's the long and the short of it.

 

Nolder as the peek is an idea I don't like just in case Pralaya flips innocent and Nolder is the godfather. I'd prefer Cass peek.

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Askthepizzaguy

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............................

 

 

I'm done. I'm ready to move on.

 

I need Pralaya red or blue flip and then Celeste resolved if the game continues.

 

@Pralaya: hard claim, immediately.

Celeste Collaborator

Celeste

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Vig.....

 

Well, vig Celeste then. No sense dragging it out, gives us time to re-assess.

Terrible idea. I'm actually trying and telling the vig who to shoot has more chances of hitting town imo. How do we even know if it's a vig? I just can't believe y'all just accept claims like that. Believe me or don't believe me but I am town.
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Askthepizzaguy

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Vig.....

 

Well, vig Celeste then. No sense dragging it out, gives us time to re-assess.

Terrible idea. I'm actually trying and telling the vig who to shoot has more chances of hitting town imo. How do we even know if it's a vig? I just can't believe y'all just accept claims like that. Believe me or don't believe me but I am town.

 

 

Now I will definitely shoot you tonight if Pralaya is a villager.

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