[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Andrej]

@Dice you wouldn't consider Tab today? I would be fine lynching Shad too if enough people will support it but I think she's the more likely of the two

[Lenlo]

Im only doing Nolder or Tab today. Based on what happens with Tab, I can see a Shad lynch. Based on Shad I can see not lynching needing to lynch Nolder. So basically, Tab is the way to go today imo.

[Andrej]

I can agree to that.

 

The reason I say a wolf flip on Shad clears Nolder is for the way he continues to string him along in these long convos. Has it actually resolved anything? He also seems unable to make up his mind on Nolder. Earlier he said how he doesn't feel like Nolder is scum but then is now voting him again. At least you've taken a hard stance in that direction.

[Lenlo]

I can agree to that.

 

The reason I say a wolf flip on Shad clears Nolder is for the way he continues to string him along in these long convos. Has it actually resolved anything? He also seems unable to make up his mind on Nolder. Earlier he said how he doesn't feel like Nolder is scum but then is now voting him again. At least you've taken a hard stance in that direction.

Thats why I agreed that Shad flipping cleared Nolder, as much as I didnt like it. If Shad is a wolf, it feels to me like he wants to be ready to say he thought Nolder was town the whole time and then be ready to push against someone else like me or Pizza.

 

We can deal with those what ifs though after Tabs flip. Until BFG or Thane decide to come in and contribute, I dont feel like there is to much to discuss. We need their input.

[Shad_]

Pretty much if Tab is a wolf that'll lock Shad in for me.

 

He clears quite a few people he's been toying with like Nolder/NotBob

 

The last one should be Thane or one of Pizza/BFG

 

I'm home now.  I'm extremely curious about this statement.  Could you explain what you mean here, AJ?

[Shad_]

Also, I feel that AJ is someone who has a great deal of experience playing with me.  He has explained what he thought I was doing at EoD if I am scum.  It reads to me as something which might make sense in a fill in the blank sort of way.  AJ, I would like to hear you provide a more meta-based interpretation of my behavior at EoD.

[Shad_]

 

Shad, you said you think this is wrong based on your understanding of her meta, or the meta on this site, iirc.

 

You think she's a townie, and so forth.

 

I have noted that, but I have to ask you if you are sure. Because if there's a scumbag in your list of townies, it's going to be BFG here, I feel.

 

Zander asked me a while ago to name my first and second town reads most likely to be wrong.  I said NotBob then BFG.  Point being I've said as much as I care to in her defense and the ball is in her court to offer an explanation and continue to consistently produce content I like.  I can't imagine voting her as things stand but I'm not going to lock her in as unlynchable at this stage.  (I think the only player as good as mod confirmed in my mind right now is Dice.)

 

 

It dawns on me that, at least in a vacuum, BFG's vote looks bad if Tab is scum.  It might not have been remotely obvious to her that I wasn't going to vote Tab at the last second.  /shrug  I don't find her EoD out of character for her save that she has a habit of not voting when she doesn't feel like she's put in the work to justify it.  Meh.  I was hoping she'd have more content to work with by now.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Can someone explain how AJ is not scum here?  Also, where did Pizza run off to?  Starting to think he's scum.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I miss Zander...at least he had game...the rest of you mopes just waiting for another dazed and confused deadline lynch...good luck with that.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Final D1 Vote Count

 

Snow (4) - Dice, AJ, Lenlo, BFG

Taborline (3) - Zander, NotBob, Nol

Nol (1) - Pizza

Zander (1) - Snow

 

Not Voting - Taborline, Shad, Thane

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time (GMT -8 hours)

 

I can vote the entire Snow train.  

 

Rank order scum to town from this pile.  AJ, BFG, Lenlo and Dice.

 

I can also vote Nolder cause one scum has to stay on the competing train especially if Tab is scum as well.

 

Tab, Shad, or Thane cause they couldn't be bothered to vote.  Someone remind why we play this game.  Too much reticience.

[Lenlo]

NotBob, you just called everyone in the game vote worthy.

 

Also don't complain about "game" when you've been gone this entire game. It's disappointing.

 

As for "waiting around" everyone available has voted. Not much you can do when half the game is being lazy and don't even check in to throw a vote.

[Shad_]

Can someone explain how AJ is not scum here?  Also, where did Pizza run off to?  Starting to think he's scum.

 

 

I miss Zander...at least he had game...the rest of you mopes just waiting for another dazed and confused deadline lynch...good luck with that.

 

I'm waiting around for AJ to chat with me and BFG to show back up.  Doing game work in a text file in the meantime.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

NotBob, you just called everyone in the game vote worthy.

 

Also don't complain about "game" when you've been gone this entire game. It's disappointing.

 

As for "waiting around" everyone available has voted. Not much you can do when half the game is being lazy and don't even check in to throw a vote.

 

lololololololololololol

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Can someone explain how AJ is not scum here?  Also, where did Pizza run off to?  Starting to think he's scum.

 

 

I miss Zander...at least he had game...the rest of you mopes just waiting for another dazed and confused deadline lynch...good luck with that.

 

I'm waiting around for AJ to chat with me and BFG to show back up.  Doing game work in a text file in the meantime.

 

 

In the meantime vote AJ...it sends a stronger message.

[Shad_]

 

 

Can someone explain how AJ is not scum here?  Also, where did Pizza run off to?  Starting to think he's scum.

 

 

I miss Zander...at least he had game...the rest of you mopes just waiting for another dazed and confused deadline lynch...good luck with that.

 

I'm waiting around for AJ to chat with me and BFG to show back up.  Doing game work in a text file in the meantime.

 

 

In the meantime vote AJ...it sends a stronger message.

 

 

I thought about whether or not doing that would be productive.  Feel free to ask me why I chose not to later.

[Andrej]

I don't see how explaining now would be a bad thing.

[Andrej]

Can someone explain how AJ is not scum here?

 

How about you explain why I am scum

[Andrej]

I miss Zander...at least he had game...the rest of you mopes just waiting for another dazed and confused deadline lynch...good luck with that.

 

Your contributions are appreciated.

 

Perhaps next time you can manage to actually show up at DL instead of throwing crap everyone's way?

[Andrej]

Also, I feel that AJ is someone who has a great deal of experience playing with me.  He has explained what he thought I was doing at EoD if I am scum.  It reads to me as something which might make sense in a fill in the blank sort of way.  AJ, I would like to hear you provide a more meta-based interpretation of my behavior at EoD.

 

I see where you're going with this, but before we head down that path let me point something out for you and the rest of us.

 

shad

08-05-2015

05:28 PM ET (US)

 

Darthe definitely. Dice worries me most after him, and maybe Sooh though she was scum in the other games I've played with her so I don't fully know what to expect. I think I can probably feed Laine and BFG the town tells they'll be looking for out of me.

 

You were saying?

[Lenlo]

What is that AJ?

[Andrej]

It's a quote from the scum QT of my Pulp Fiction game.

 

Shad was scum there. Read the last line specifically and then think about why he's asking me that sort of question about his meta. I see where he wants this argument to go but I'm gonna nip it in the bud beforehand.

[Shad_]

 

Also, I feel that AJ is someone who has a great deal of experience playing with me.  He has explained what he thought I was doing at EoD if I am scum.  It reads to me as something which might make sense in a fill in the blank sort of way.  AJ, I would like to hear you provide a more meta-based interpretation of my behavior at EoD.

 

I see where you're going with this, but before we head down that path let me point something out for you and the rest of us.

 

shad

08-05-2015

05:28 PM ET (US)

 

Darthe definitely. Dice worries me most after him, and maybe Sooh though she was scum in the other games I've played with her so I don't fully know what to expect. I think I can probably feed Laine and BFG the town tells they'll be looking for out of me.

 

You were saying?

 

Early discussion of night kill options in Pulp Fiction scum QT. I honestly don't follow.

[Shad_]

It's a quote from the scum QT of my Pulp Fiction game.

 

Shad was scum there. Read the last line specifically and then think about why he's asking me that sort of question about his meta. I see where he wants this argument to go but I'm gonna nip it in the bud beforehand.

This will be fun. I'm all ears. I do want you to address my question at the bottom of p69 as well.

[Lenlo]

Alright, it might be because I am tired, it might be because I suck at this game, but can you explain to me where he wants that argument to go and the relevance of that quote? Because im not getting it and I feel stupid.

[Andrej]

It's kind of simple.

 

Shad wants me to build a case on him being scum using meta. I pulled that quote to show that he understands the concept of perception and how to manipulate his behavior in a way that will get him town read by certain players. I think it's wolfy for him to ask me that sort of question when I believe his defense will be to point at other games, most likely town games, to provide some sort of proof for his EOD stunt.

 

There are several instances in this game from D1 where I noticed him hitting little checkboxes when it comes to our dynamic together, IE - he wants to use meta as a defense but clearly he knows how to act accordingly.