[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Zander?]

 

Hi BFG.

 

Do you have any strong town/scum reads as of yet?

Dice is my strongest town read right now. Lenlo and Laine are weaker town reads. No mafia reads, far too many nulls

 

reading through the past 6 pages atm

 

 

Can you elaborate on your reads please?

 

 

Thane:

 

 

 

Pg1: null single post.

Pg2, 3, 4: nada

pg5: 92 is a multiquote talking mostly to nonplayers, takes no risks. 93 is not game related, 96 is not substantial. Basically, Thane hasn't engaged with the game yet. No judgments made there, just saying.

Pg6: Calls me a wolf for saying Nolder is a wolf. I'm not, and he makes no attempt to understand my vote, he's not even curious. That's bad villaging at the very least.

115 he redirects my attention to his calling me a wolf, which is worse, because it's as if he expects me to be impressed or scared that he called me a wolf incorrectly for zero reasons. I don't recognize this as a solving process. 120 his response to me doesn't even really indicate that he thinks I'm a wolf. So he's fishing somewhat impotently for reactions, or is a wolf.

Pg7: 125 Game has started but Thane is posting like he's still waiting for it to start, which isn't a good look after he called me wolfy, and expected me to react and hasn't followed up on that.

126 I still don't believe he thinks I'm a wolf here. Not sure what the wolfie comment was supposed to accomplish?

133 he's generically cautious about me. That's nothing I haven't heard a half dozen times this game alone, so it's nothing that goes outside of any boxes or takes any risks or really accomplishes much. I'm very critical of any kind of play that is expected, boring, and generic. Still talking about previous games, not engaging with this one. That's a behavior I am also critical of. 136 see previous comment.

Pg8 onward- nada.

 

That's what I get from Thane. A slow, riskless start which is generic and uninspired. No offense Thane. I just can't find reasons why this isn't your scum game so far. What's townie about it? What's solving about it?

 

You're either rand or scum, I can't find anything here which puts you at greater than random to be a townie.

 

It's early, that's the only reason why you're not a darker shade of red on my list. That's what I got. Want to reverse it, do something townie.

 

 

When you replied to Thane you sounded like you already had him as scummish prior to the wolfy comment, yet there's nothing in your notes prior to that to indicate that you think he's mafia.

 

On a side note this is going to be a fun game :)

 

 

Right in his summary post before he made the comment on Thane's wolfie comment he says "no judgements made there"  so how do you feel he sounded like he pegged Thane wolfie before that?

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

 

I'm still confused...

 

Why do you think it's my job to address how someone else reacts to someone's case about me?

I mean I could, and I believe I did comment on it in fact, but I'm really confused that you think I have an obligation to.

 

Like that's leaving me really...bewildered is a good term to use here I think.

Because he is currently being heavily linked to you because of that by both AJ and Pizza in their cases of you. Because he is one of the front runners for today and I feel you should comment on what is going on in the game. Because I wanna know what you think of it. All of those things are why you should address it and help us figure out both you and this game.

 

That's still nothing to do with me. I'm not the one doing the linking.

 

Call me crazy but it feels like you're trying to make me overreact when there's no need.

I already commented that Nomi wasn't allowing for a third option with regards to Notbob, the option where he just didn't have a read on me, and it started a big argument.

 

To be honest if someone were to ask Notbob now he'd probably have more of an opinion since I finally got around to posting but ya'll are too busy arguing about a null read from like page 5 or something.

 

It has nothing to do with you, the one being linked and the one who will be heavily scrutinized should NotBob flip scum, because your not the one doing the linking? Whether you like it or not I think it does have something to do with you.

 

How am I trying to make you overreact? I am trying to get you to react at all. To post something other than self defense. To to look at some of the other cases going on.

 

First of all...

 

"To post something other than self defense."

 

I have posted more than self defense, especially in regards to our conversation today. This is a blatant misrep.

 

"To to look at some of the other cases going on."

 

I've seen them. Other than the Xander one I really have nothing to say and the only thing I'd have to say about Xander is in regards to meta which is pretty much irrelevant so I decided to hold my tongue there and see how it developed.

 

Ok now moving back to the Notbob thing.

 

"It has nothing to do with you, the one being linked and the one who will be heavily scrutinized should NotBob flip scum, because your not the one doing the linking? Whether you like it or not I think it does have something to do with you."

 

Yeah, pretty much. It's not my conversation nor do I feel the need to interject myself into it more than I already have.

If anyone would be so stupid as to draw connections to me based on a null comment on D1 by Notbob they deserve what they get.

 

 

 

Is the Bold what you feel is his trying to do to make you over react?  FWIW I do feel he misrepped me earlier as well and backed off.  If that is the correct part please pull some examples of it or if its not show me what it is that you are saying with examples please.

 

Well Lenlo said I'm doing nothing but being defensive.

The fact of the matter was I came into the thread and responded to several things before even addressing Nomi's case.

But those were one off responses and can be dismissed I guess.

What can't be dismissed is I tried to make a case on Lenlo himself with regards to fence sitting.

That's the opposite of defensive, it's offensive.

[Zander?]

 

 

Clov's defo scum. 

 

Non-players posting is throwing me off a tad until I figure memorize who's in this game. 

 

I'm a tad bit disappointed in Len for not starting this game yet. I had high hopes for him. 

 

[v]Len[/v]

 

 

 

Clov's defo scum. 

 

Non-players posting is throwing me off a tad until I figure memorize who's in this game. 

 

I'm a tad bit disappointed in Len for not starting this game yet. I had high hopes for him. 

 

[v]Len[/v]

Well im a tad disappointed in you for trying to start this game. I had hopes you would be fun.

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

 

 

Alright lets get started then [v] Zander [/v]

 

I decided to have a special and start serving 3 pages early.

 

 

Well you'd need to vote for him for that to happen. And I don't have anything better atm. 

 

[unvote] [v]Zander[/v]

 

 

Oh yeah [unvote][v]Zander[/v]

 

Forgot about the unvote.

 

 

OK seriously does this not seem an awkward back and forth between these guys?

 

What do you mean by awkward? I scratched off a Snow/Lenlo team because of this, I don't think mafia would 'distance/joke vote' then vote together straight away like that.

 

 

 

I didnt say that they were a team.  I just said I found it awkward.  Like I dont know maybe one of them were "testing": the waters on a possible mislynch on me,  Like I said I found it awkward is all.  Maybe I could have uses the word weird?  Or off setting? 

[Zander?]

 

 

I haven't seen NotBob as scum except once or twice, and the most recent one I didn't even realize it was him until it was pretty much over with (on JetsNation).

 

As a villager though, I think he's fairly easy to spot. He's low-volume as either alignment from what I can tell, so I wouldn't say that's much of an indicator but the way he conveys his thoughts/reads is hard to miss.

 

We'll see how he progresses from here and I don't wanna write his defense for him, but as Pizza pointed out if Nolder or NotBob is scum then the hesitant read doesn't look so good for the other.

 

 

Aj have I ever seen you scum before?  I dont remember?  Tell me about your scum game if you dont mind.  Others please feel free to weigh in.

 

AJ was mafia in Usual Suspects ldo

 

 

OK thanks I didnt remember but I put 0 stock into US as I stopped following really after i was deaded.  And really after everyone started to figure out Meta wasnt as big of a concern. hence why when its comes up in previous games I say I dont count it.  (like i dont wanna count Frozen either.....sadface.gif)

 

lolololololol

[Zander?]

 

 

Oh are we talking about how great we are?

 

Me and Clov have thoughts on this subject; I'll let him start.

Sometimes I wonder what its like to be average, but then I realize I'll never have that problem.

 

 

False bravado.  

 

 

HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!!

 

*grabs dueling glove to defend Clov's honor*

 

 

Underwhelmed by NotBob and Nolder's reactions to my cases on them, pretty sure there's at least one wolf contained within. Very satisfied with my D1 so far.

 

In other news, I'd cut Zander a break for a little bit. I know he's out of sorts but I don't think it's alignment indicative at present. I would wager we'll see old Zander back within a few days.

 

weak sauce...looks liked you're pied pipering the town...how is what you've done here any different then me saying Nolder is null?

 

 

 

Can you elaborate on this please NotBob I'm not sure I'm understanding what youre saying here.

[Zander?]

 

And who is they NotBob.

 

Also to respond to Nolder in that post, we have been waiting for NotBob to get back for awhile now.

 

By they, I meant scum of course...during the reread it appeared that some *looks at you* wanted my lynch to vett Nolder...I took that as scummy...fact of the matter...during you're exchange with Nolder I had equal impulses to vote either of you.

 

 

Who are the "they scum" that youre referring to here Notbob?

[Nolder]

Xander you're asking a lot of questions.

[Zander?]

 

It's not as useful, I want to know from people who read someone townie a lot that they're reading someone differently, and why.

 

It doesn't count if you guess they're always scum. That's the least useful guess to me because it's going to be wrong about 75% of the time, I might as well rand my vote.

 

:)

 

You guess someone is always townie and you'll be right most of the time. I know we're hunting wolves, but town does better with leaps of faith and finding each other correctly, then the wolves can't hide even if they're not even behaving like scum, they've just been POE'd.

 

@Bolded: That's actually a really good plan. I'll have to try that out. 

 

@ snow    you asked about AJ?  Ive got AJ as town. Why? his entrance.

 

That was back when I thought I saw something off about him. Happy with his play atm, no idea what I thought was tenacious before. 

 

 

 

If you think I'm scummy I'd rather you waste the day one lynch on me than string me along for days and then do it.

 

I'm not going to get any townier than I am right now.

AtE this early isn't good.

 

 

If you think I am scummy, vote for me, and try to get others to do so. Again, trying to convince me that I'm scum is unlikely to succeed.

 

 

There is absolutely nothing I disagree with in this post. That said, something about it pings me. *shrug* Willing to dismiss it as the rest of pizza's play is pretty solid. 

 

I'll need to look over the longer posts in the last couple of pages again in more detail when I'm not restricted to just my phone.

 

I'd still like a response from Snow and I'll be looking forward to Tab's contributions whenever she gets back around

 

Response on what? If you mean why I had you as scum, I couldn't find anything. The closest thing was kind of a stretch. Blame it on finals delirium. 

 

I dunno, like, I sometimes worry that he is hiding something behind all those words. I know its stupid, which is why I havnt even tried to build a case or anything off of it, but its in the back of my mind every time I read him.

 

Pretty sure WoT used to be a scum strategy here and (are? were?) a scum practice on another site that some DMers play at. Can't remember more than that about it, but it's a thing. Not getting that vibe from pizza though. 

 

 

the feeling i get from Zander is that he's doing what he can, but his spirit is elsewhere.... For Zan, he's quiet. Too quiet for some people, perhaps. But I'll give him some time

 

 

Underwhelmed by NotBob and Nolder's reactions to my cases on them, pretty sure there's at least one wolf contained within. Very satisfied with my D1 so far.

 

In other news, I'd cut Zander a break for a little bit. I know he's out of sorts but I don't think it's alignment indicative at present. I would wager we'll see old Zander back within a few days.

 

 

Thank you both for noting that but I want to be evaluated on in game merits and nothing else.  I'm doing everything I can to summon my WIM cause I actually randed Town this time and trying to get into the game full swing.  

 

I will be away some of tonight and tomorrow so I'll do as much as I can in between but after that I'll really try and focus everything into the game.

 

 

Every time you say this, it pings me. This is the second or third time this game alone. It sounds hollow and like you're compensating. You would say that if you were a wolf too (or, at least, you should if you're playing to your WC). 

 

@Leelou: How can we have a hybrid hammer game with no deadline? >_> 

I guess D1 is just regular hammer until you get bored?

 

....Really? I mean, us having no DL is advantageous for a few days while we get some solid reads on people. 

 

Snow - did you ever look into Nolder? What was it you didn't like about Dice?

 

Up until my most recent catch-up, I'm pretty sure the primary argument against Nol was meta. I don't put much basis in meta, it's way too easy to manipulate. I'm liking the current case on him, but I'm going to reread some stuff in a bit. 

 

I never said I found Dice scummy. I just wasn't getting the clear town vibes that other people were from him. 

 

[unvote] [v]Zander[/v]

 

Re: Repeatedly claiming to have randed town. Sounds hollow and like a guilty conscience. 

 

Going to re-read a couple cases, do an ISO or two, then post a read list. Expect it in ~2ish hours. 

 

 

 

 

That's the weakest, saddest reasoning for putting a vote on me and I think you already know that though...

[Zander?]

 

-snip-

I'm doing everything I can to summon my WIM cause I actually randed Town this time and trying to get into the game full swing.  

-snip-

 

 

-snip-

Im 100% Town this game and I'm ready willing and able to prove that to everyone!!!

 

 

 

Im Town again sweet

-snip

 

 

Off of a quick skim of his ISO. 

 

 

 

Yep this is a pretty solid reason to vote me John...lolololololol

[Zander?]

@Snowman - are you saying Zander is scummy because he's calling himself town or how he's doing it?

 

Because the first one is not a very good reason to be voting someone. It's null at best pretty much across the board.

 

 

The second one really isn't a good reason either, actually.

 

It's one of those indefensible type arguments for Zander and one you can't really explain with tangible evidence.

 

Pretty sketchy my friend.

 

 

Obv Im a bit biased here but i do endorse AJ's responses wholeheartedly!!!

[BFG]

 

 

Hi BFG.

 

Do you have any strong town/scum reads as of yet?

Dice is my strongest town read right now. Lenlo and Laine are weaker town reads. No mafia reads, far too many nulls

 

reading through the past 6 pages atm

 

I see you've mentioned you're very reliant on meta. Is your read on Dice meta?

 

Mostly.

 

As town Dice is louder and more open. Off the top of my head Dice has offered opinions on AJ, Pizza, Snow, (Zander?) for actual game reasons. In those posts he' pretty direct and straight forward, the reasoning is based on stuff in game. As mafia Dice has difficulty replicating that 'tone' about in game stuff, he can fake it pretty well on out of game stuff, or mechanics, but not game stuff.

 

Lenlo at that time was because of his 'mentality', I'm not sire how else to explain it. As town he seems to like being helpful more than when mafia. Since then I want to add the humour in his posts and how relaxed he sounds and I'm feeling a bit more confident in the read. Some of his positions/progressions don't read well, but he was lynched in Diablo for that as town, so it's null at best. I need to check Matrix for his tone, since mostly all I can remember is his busting

 

Laine is weaker still. In Belichick there was a lot of fluff early on, in HP she dug right in, similar to this game. She's already drawing more conclusions than she was in Diablo. Volume isn't a tell, but I won't be able to do anything with this read mow until she's back, which could be several days now

[Zander?]

Pizza

Dice

Lenlo

 

BFG

Nolder

Laine

Zander

 

Taborline

Thane

 

John Snow

NotBob

 

I've already touched on my bottom two.

 

Thane and Taborline are orange mostly by virtue of my having stronger town reads on other players and them not really being a part of the thread yet. Looking over the thread again I actually liked Pizza's analysis on Thane around pg14(?) and Nolder calling him out was pretty sharp too. I was too quick to town read him on tone alone in our last outing, so I'm not willing to give him an easy pass again without legitimate substance.

 

Dark greens I'm pretty confident on, I would be surprised if I'm misclearing anywhere there.

 

There's some potential in the lighter section as they aren't particularly strong reads atm, but mostly center around things that I "liked" or noted as positive from these players off the top of my head.

 

 

Can you touch on Tab please AJ, I made a comment about feeling like she feels almost a little "timid" to post which makes me think she may not be Town here because the last couple games I've played with her when she was Town!Tab, it felt like she was gaining more confidence with each outing and not afraid to post more of her feelings and comment more on stuff and do more real time convo's. 

[Zander?]

Zander I'm gonna wait up a bit longer so that you can finish your read through and we can chat

 

You've got 15 minutes

 

 

Im almost done brother!!!!

[BFG]

 

 

Hi BFG.

 

Do you have any strong town/scum reads as of yet?

Dice is my strongest town read right now. Lenlo and Laine are weaker town reads. No mafia reads, far too many nulls

 

reading through the past 6 pages atm

 

 

Can you elaborate on your reads please?

 

At the time they were the same reasoning I said when I first stated them, I hadn't read the new stuff to elaborate.

 

 

 

Thane:

 

 

 

Pg1: null single post.

Pg2, 3, 4: nada

pg5: 92 is a multiquote talking mostly to nonplayers, takes no risks. 93 is not game related, 96 is not substantial. Basically, Thane hasn't engaged with the game yet. No judgments made there, just saying.

Pg6: Calls me a wolf for saying Nolder is a wolf. I'm not, and he makes no attempt to understand my vote, he's not even curious. That's bad villaging at the very least.

115 he redirects my attention to his calling me a wolf, which is worse, because it's as if he expects me to be impressed or scared that he called me a wolf incorrectly for zero reasons. I don't recognize this as a solving process. 120 his response to me doesn't even really indicate that he thinks I'm a wolf. So he's fishing somewhat impotently for reactions, or is a wolf.

Pg7: 125 Game has started but Thane is posting like he's still waiting for it to start, which isn't a good look after he called me wolfy, and expected me to react and hasn't followed up on that.

126 I still don't believe he thinks I'm a wolf here. Not sure what the wolfie comment was supposed to accomplish?

133 he's generically cautious about me. That's nothing I haven't heard a half dozen times this game alone, so it's nothing that goes outside of any boxes or takes any risks or really accomplishes much. I'm very critical of any kind of play that is expected, boring, and generic. Still talking about previous games, not engaging with this one. That's a behavior I am also critical of. 136 see previous comment.

Pg8 onward- nada.

 

That's what I get from Thane. A slow, riskless start which is generic and uninspired. No offense Thane. I just can't find reasons why this isn't your scum game so far. What's townie about it? What's solving about it?

 

You're either rand or scum, I can't find anything here which puts you at greater than random to be a townie.

 

It's early, that's the only reason why you're not a darker shade of red on my list. That's what I got. Want to reverse it, do something townie.

 

 

When you replied to Thane you sounded like you already had him as scummish prior to the wolfy comment, yet there's nothing in your notes prior to that to indicate that you think he's mafia.

 

On a side note this is going to be a fun game :)

 

 

Right in his summary post before he made the comment on Thane's wolfie comment he says "no judgements made there"  so how do you feel he sounded like he pegged Thane wolfie before that?

 

I'm not sure what you're asking me here? The reason I'm asking Pizza about it is precisely because there was nothing in his notes to indicate why he found Thane possible mafia (although to be fair I missed out a question mark)

[Zander?]

 

 

 

The back and forth you had consisted almost entirely of you arguing about what games he was referencing and which ones he should reference instead. So no, it didnt.

 

My motivation was to get him to lock down his case into something concrete we can reference later so if we lynch you and you flip town, he cant back pedal on his case. By getting him to lock down what it was we make it harder for him in the future to wiggle around.

 

Nolder I have posted my thoughts on the you/Pizza/NotBob situation.

Sniped!

 

Have you? Link or quote please because I don't remember you doing anything but asking others what they thought.

 

 

 

 

Im not misrepping you. Now please, go read through the thread and come back with some content. Gimme your thoughts on the Nolder/NotBob/Pizza situation for instance. Show me the towny in you, instead of whining at me every time I call you scum in a game.

Note this is still without giving his own.

Anyone else see the pattern?

 

 

 

I know this may be just something from my PoV that bothers me.  But why make the seeing a pattern comment without checking to see if its actually a patternt??  That's is pinging me some FWIW. 

 

Well I mean I kind of did. It was only a pattern of maybe 3 posts? 4? I called it out each time I saw it.

 

 

Please reference both his posts and your responses cause all I remmeber seeing is you asking him to prove it when he got home and him doing so,

[Zander?]

 

 

 

The back and forth you had consisted almost entirely of you arguing about what games he was referencing and which ones he should reference instead. So no, it didnt.

 

My motivation was to get him to lock down his case into something concrete we can reference later so if we lynch you and you flip town, he cant back pedal on his case. By getting him to lock down what it was we make it harder for him in the future to wiggle around.

 

Nolder I have posted my thoughts on the you/Pizza/NotBob situation.

Sniped!

 

Have you? Link or quote please because I don't remember you doing anything but asking others what they thought.

 

 

 

 

On the phone, so no.

You wanna give me a general idea of when/where?

 

 

 

Lenlo when do you get off phone and on a computer?

 

 

 

 

Lenlo when do you get off phone and on a computer?

Like an horu or so?

 

So in about an hour can you show me where you gave thoughts on me and/or Nomi's case?

 

 

Obv it's not your job to answer Lenlo's questions for him but....you make the "seeing a pattern comment", spend the majority of Pg 19. asking when he can be home and prove it.  But again if that's something you were building off of, imo I'd think you'd go back and ISO through him yourself to see, if it were actually bothering you and part of if not the main reason you're voting him.

 

I'm not liking what I'm seeing here Nol.

 

One thing I know from experience is that mafia can be very lazy and lie about what they've said or done.

My style is to wait until I get an answer and then check if it's true.

I have caught Des (may he rip) that way many times because he likes to lie about things and hope no one will check.

It's not so much I wanted to know if he gave thoughts I wanted to see if he'd lie about it.

IMO he essentially did since I asked him his thoughts about my interaction with Nomi and he's over here pointing to thoughts prior to my even engaging with the game.

 

 

 

Meh I dont hate your response but I'm not overly impressed by it either.  But let me ask this instead, how do you feel about his responses after he provided his quotes?

[BFG]

On my way to work, I'll be on again at lunch or early evening

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm still confused...

 

Why do you think it's my job to address how someone else reacts to someone's case about me?

I mean I could, and I believe I did comment on it in fact, but I'm really confused that you think I have an obligation to.

 

Like that's leaving me really...bewildered is a good term to use here I think.

Because he is currently being heavily linked to you because of that by both AJ and Pizza in their cases of you. Because he is one of the front runners for today and I feel you should comment on what is going on in the game. Because I wanna know what you think of it. All of those things are why you should address it and help us figure out both you and this game.

 

That's still nothing to do with me. I'm not the one doing the linking.

 

Call me crazy but it feels like you're trying to make me overreact when there's no need.

I already commented that Nomi wasn't allowing for a third option with regards to Notbob, the option where he just didn't have a read on me, and it started a big argument.

 

To be honest if someone were to ask Notbob now he'd probably have more of an opinion since I finally got around to posting but ya'll are too busy arguing about a null read from like page 5 or something.

 

It has nothing to do with you, the one being linked and the one who will be heavily scrutinized should NotBob flip scum, because your not the one doing the linking? Whether you like it or not I think it does have something to do with you.

 

How am I trying to make you overreact? I am trying to get you to react at all. To post something other than self defense. To to look at some of the other cases going on.

 

First of all...

 

"To post something other than self defense."

 

I have posted more than self defense, especially in regards to our conversation today. This is a blatant misrep.

 

"To to look at some of the other cases going on."

 

I've seen them. Other than the Xander one I really have nothing to say and the only thing I'd have to say about Xander is in regards to meta which is pretty much irrelevant so I decided to hold my tongue there and see how it developed.

 

Ok now moving back to the Notbob thing.

 

"It has nothing to do with you, the one being linked and the one who will be heavily scrutinized should NotBob flip scum, because your not the one doing the linking? Whether you like it or not I think it does have something to do with you."

 

Yeah, pretty much. It's not my conversation nor do I feel the need to interject myself into it more than I already have.

If anyone would be so stupid as to draw connections to me based on a null comment on D1 by Notbob they deserve what they get.

 

 

 

Is the Bold what you feel is his trying to do to make you over react?  FWIW I do feel he misrepped me earlier as well and backed off.  If that is the correct part please pull some examples of it or if its not show me what it is that you are saying with examples please.

 

Well Lenlo said I'm doing nothing but being defensive.

The fact of the matter was I came into the thread and responded to several things before even addressing Nomi's case.

But those were one off responses and can be dismissed I guess.

What can't be dismissed is I tried to make a case on Lenlo himself with regards to fence sitting.

That's the opposite of defensive, it's offensive.

 

 

 

Ill go back when I have the time to reread this I had asked for examples.  And after your comment about waiting for Len to respond with proof I figured you'd have been all over doing that yourself Nol....

[Zander?]

Xander you're asking a lot of questions.

 

I am, and I'm looking for the answers to them as well.  Why make this comment?  Do you feel me asking question is alignment indicative of me in some way shape or form?  If it is please provide your reasoning behind it.

 

Because just saying things for the sake of saying things without a real point is...pointless?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Hi BFG.

 

Do you have any strong town/scum reads as of yet?

Dice is my strongest town read right now. Lenlo and Laine are weaker town reads. No mafia reads, far too many nulls

 

reading through the past 6 pages atm

 

I see you've mentioned you're very reliant on meta. Is your read on Dice meta?

 

Mostly.

 

As town Dice is louder and more open. Off the top of my head Dice has offered opinions on AJ, Pizza, Snow, (Zander?) for actual game reasons. In those posts he' pretty direct and straight forward, the reasoning is based on stuff in game. As mafia Dice has difficulty replicating that 'tone' about in game stuff, he can fake it pretty well on out of game stuff, or mechanics, but not game stuff.

 

Lenlo at that time was because of his 'mentality', I'm not sire how else to explain it. As town he seems to like being helpful more than when mafia. Since then I want to add the humour in his posts and how relaxed he sounds and I'm feeling a bit more confident in the read. Some of his positions/progressions don't read well, but he was lynched in Diablo for that as town, so it's null at best. I need to check Matrix for his tone, since mostly all I can remember is his busting

 

Laine is weaker still. In Belichick there was a lot of fluff early on, in HP she dug right in, similar to this game. She's already drawing more conclusions than she was in Diablo. Volume isn't a tell, but I won't be able to do anything with this read mow until she's back, which could be several days now

 

 

 

I dont agree with the assessment about Dice irt his Tone.  I think he can fake that pretty well as he did in Matrix.  I'm not saying he's necessarily scummy here.  But your reasoning for town reading him is incorrect imo. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Hi BFG.

 

Do you have any strong town/scum reads as of yet?

Dice is my strongest town read right now. Lenlo and Laine are weaker town reads. No mafia reads, far too many nulls

 

reading through the past 6 pages atm

 

 

Can you elaborate on your reads please?

 

At the time they were the same reasoning I said when I first stated them, I hadn't read the new stuff to elaborate.

 

 

 

Thane:

 

 

Pg1: null single post.

Pg2, 3, 4: nada

pg5: 92 is a multiquote talking mostly to nonplayers, takes no risks. 93 is not game related, 96 is not substantial. Basically, Thane hasn't engaged with the game yet. No judgments made there, just saying.

Pg6: Calls me a wolf for saying Nolder is a wolf. I'm not, and he makes no attempt to understand my vote, he's not even curious. That's bad villaging at the very least.

115 he redirects my attention to his calling me a wolf, which is worse, because it's as if he expects me to be impressed or scared that he called me a wolf incorrectly for zero reasons. I don't recognize this as a solving process. 120 his response to me doesn't even really indicate that he thinks I'm a wolf. So he's fishing somewhat impotently for reactions, or is a wolf.

Pg7: 125 Game has started but Thane is posting like he's still waiting for it to start, which isn't a good look after he called me wolfy, and expected me to react and hasn't followed up on that.

126 I still don't believe he thinks I'm a wolf here. Not sure what the wolfie comment was supposed to accomplish?

133 he's generically cautious about me. That's nothing I haven't heard a half dozen times this game alone, so it's nothing that goes outside of any boxes or takes any risks or really accomplishes much. I'm very critical of any kind of play that is expected, boring, and generic. Still talking about previous games, not engaging with this one. That's a behavior I am also critical of. 136 see previous comment.

Pg8 onward- nada.

 

That's what I get from Thane. A slow, riskless start which is generic and uninspired. No offense Thane. I just can't find reasons why this isn't your scum game so far. What's townie about it? What's solving about it?

 

You're either rand or scum, I can't find anything here which puts you at greater than random to be a townie.

 

It's early, that's the only reason why you're not a darker shade of red on my list. That's what I got. Want to reverse it, do something townie.

 

 

When you replied to Thane you sounded like you already had him as scummish prior to the wolfy comment, yet there's nothing in your notes prior to that to indicate that you think he's mafia.

 

On a side note this is going to be a fun game :)

 

 

Right in his summary post before he made the comment on Thane's wolfie comment he says "no judgements made there"  so how do you feel he sounded like he pegged Thane wolfie before that?

 

I'm not sure what you're asking me here? The reason I'm asking Pizza about it is precisely because there was nothing in his notes to indicate why he found Thane possible mafia (although to be fair I missed out a question mark)

 

 

 

You said prior to Thane wolfie post you felt Pizza was scumreading Thane.  In the post YOU quoted nothing indicated he felt that way at all before he mentioned the wolfie comment.  I bolded what I meant.  So I'd like you to explain your reasoning behind the comment please my dear.

[Nolder]

 

Mostly.

 

As town Dice is louder and more open. Off the top of my head Dice has offered opinions on AJ, Pizza, Snow, (Zander?) for actual game reasons. In those posts he' pretty direct and straight forward, the reasoning is based on stuff in game. As mafia Dice has difficulty replicating that 'tone' about in game stuff, he can fake it pretty well on out of game stuff, or mechanics, but not game stuff.

 

Lenlo at that time was because of his 'mentality', I'm not sire how else to explain it. As town he seems to like being helpful more than when mafia. Since then I want to add the humour in his posts and how relaxed he sounds and I'm feeling a bit more confident in the read. Some of his positions/progressions don't read well, but he was lynched in Diablo for that as town, so it's null at best. I need to check Matrix for his tone, since mostly all I can remember is his busting

 

Laine is weaker still. In Belichick there was a lot of fluff early on, in HP she dug right in, similar to this game. She's already drawing more conclusions than she was in Diablo. Volume isn't a tell, but I won't be able to do anything with this read mow until she's back, which could be several days now

 

Let's focus on Dice for now since you said he's your strong read.

So in your opinion if Dice is mafia he will have trouble making game related cases? It'll be more about game mechanics or meta?

How long do you think it would take to tell? I mean you're already town reading him but it's also early in the game so maybe it's too early to really say.

Yeah let's stick with that line of thought, do you think maybe it's too early to have a strong read on someone based just on their meta?

[Zander?]

And caught up!!

 

Anyone around to talk?

 

I'll be around for a bit but will be gone for awhile today.  I will try and check In when I can and may be around after.  Things should be back to normal for me by tomorrow.

[Leelou]

Vote Count
 
Nolder (2) - Pizza, Lenlo 
Snow (1) - Laine
NotBob (1) - AJ
Lenlo (1) - Nol

Zander (1) - Snow
 
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time ( -8 hours)

[Nolder]

 

 

 

 

The back and forth you had consisted almost entirely of you arguing about what games he was referencing and which ones he should reference instead. So no, it didnt.

 

My motivation was to get him to lock down his case into something concrete we can reference later so if we lynch you and you flip town, he cant back pedal on his case. By getting him to lock down what it was we make it harder for him in the future to wiggle around.

 

Nolder I have posted my thoughts on the you/Pizza/NotBob situation.

Sniped!

 

Have you? Link or quote please because I don't remember you doing anything but asking others what they thought.

 

 

 

 

Im not misrepping you. Now please, go read through the thread and come back with some content. Gimme your thoughts on the Nolder/NotBob/Pizza situation for instance. Show me the towny in you, instead of whining at me every time I call you scum in a game.

Note this is still without giving his own.

Anyone else see the pattern?

 

 

 

I know this may be just something from my PoV that bothers me.  But why make the seeing a pattern comment without checking to see if its actually a patternt??  That's is pinging me some FWIW.

 

Well I mean I kind of did. It was only a pattern of maybe 3 posts? 4? I called it out each time I saw it.

 

 

Please reference both his posts and your responses cause all I remmeber seeing is you asking him to prove it when he got home and him doing so,

 

 

Can you put this into an actual case rather than this bulleted list sort of thing? I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me. This way I can understand more where your coming from and get you locked down into a case on Nolder so you cant shift the goal posts/do scum things about it later on.

 

Basically I would like you to clarify this if you dont mind.

Fence sitting.

 

Normally I wouldn't call it this early in the game but the hedging language of "I can sort of see" is what really stands out.

 

AJ, when you read Pizzas long post and you give me your thoughts on them? They are so big, at times I feel I miss stuff. I also wanna see if this paranoia is just me.

 

 

I dunno, like, I sometimes worry that he is hiding something behind all those words. I know its stupid, which is why I havnt even tried to build a case or anything off of it, but its in the back of my mind every time I read him.

 

I don't think the length of his posts would be really alignment indicative so I'm not sure what you're asking me

IMO he's still hedging and trying to find out what everyone else thinks before picking a side.

 

 

Im not misrepping you. Now please, go read through the thread and come back with some content. Gimme your thoughts on the Nolder/NotBob/Pizza situation for instance. Show me the towny in you, instead of whining at me every time I call you scum in a game.

Note this is still without giving his own.

Anyone else see the pattern?