Diablo the mafia game!

[Taborline]

 

Yates you don't seem to be as pushy as usual yet, if that makes sense.

No?

 

 

Maybe I'm just not as intimidated anymore, but so far you aren't asking the same pointed questions as you did before.

 

Also, if Shad vs. Lenlo turns out to be a replay of Zander vs. Lenlo from the Matrix game, I will find that amusing.

[Yates]

Besie   it was tongue in cheek regarding yates

Yeah. 100% sure this was the case. That's why I thought it was weird that you brought it up again. If somebody asks "are you a wolf?" how the heck do you think that is ever going to be answered?

[Yates]

Maybe I'm just not as intimidated anymore, but so far you aren't asking the same pointed questions as you did before.

Sometimes you don't have to ask the questions. Sometimes you let people hang themselves. And sometimes you just go to sleep.

 

Let me ask you this; what if at the end of all this I present a wolf case on Bessie/Zander/Bender and they flip wolf?

[Yates]

Dice is extremely likely to be town, not my peek and I'm a little more cautious after Matrix but my strongest read at this point.

 

To preemptively answer Yates, it's due to directness and content, it's not locked in yet, but I'm feeling pretty good.

No that's cool.

[Yates]

I said that IF Len is scum and IF he is protecting a fellow scum (Clov) then you saying that you're not going to vote Clov could POSSIBLY imply that you're scum protecting a fellow team member.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?

[Yates]

And as far as me not game solving...when you do more then I do in a game to solve then you can make that comment Dice.

Rude.

[Shad_]

I'm on my mobile between meetings so I won't quote.

 

 

Bessie can you explain why you're ok with Zanders vote on Yates, because I don't see why from your posts above.

 

Interesting thought on Lenlo, but I got the impression from the DT that he didn't really enjoy the bussing in that game and my (admittedly not great) recollection from that game was that the bussing was initiated by Zander and Lenlo just got caught up by it. I do want to check/compare tone from Ragnarok, but that will probably have to wait till I'm home again.

 

 

Red was the biggest thing.  Bessie had given a reason through quotes, but it was poorly narrated.  I didn't follow her either.  Assuming it's not w/w scum know her initial reason was honest, and asking Bessie for clarity rather than letting her shoot herself in the foot or not noticing that it didn't make particularly much sense in the first place isn't the most common move.

 

I don't know that it's not w/w of course, but BFG seems to be thinking critically and asking the sort of questions I expect her to, enough for a D1 town lean.

[Lenlo]

It's not Tab. I hate the hard bus game like that, it isn't fun.

[Yates]

I pretty much agree with the read and Zander explained it far more eloquently than me.

Which read and what do you agree with?

[Taborline]

It's not Tab. I hate the hard bus game like that, it isn't fun.

 

I don't think so either, that was intense.

[Taborline]

 

Maybe I'm just not as intimidated anymore, but so far you aren't asking the same pointed questions as you did before.

Sometimes you don't have to ask the questions. Sometimes you let people hang themselves. And sometimes you just go to sleep.

 

Let me ask you this; what if at the end of all this I present a wolf case on Bessie/Zander/Bender and they flip wolf?

 

 

Then I would likely put you in my town pile, depending on what else transpires between now and then.

[Shad_]

Thane is Thaning and he hasn't fooled me yet so I'm going to roll with it.

[Shad_]

AJ sketched me out briefly with some overexplanation, but in the context of the situation I think it boiled down to a sense of urgency at recognizing sooner than most of us that D1 had a short DL and we needed to get the ball rolling.  Since then I've been nodding my head to most of what he says and generally feel like we're on the same page right now.

[Yates]

I feel like you continuously pointing out my slightly wrong phrases, that I DID explain in the following posts, is a fake excuse for a vote.

Do you feel like I'm doing this on purpose? Or do you feel like I just hadn't read those pages being that I was responding to stuff that had happened way before you followed up on it - and *I* was looking for clarification since I have no reason to assume anyone else did?

[Taborline]

 

...and it seems like you ARE role fishing.

This is probably the dumbest thing you've ever said to me. Please explain how asking someone to firm up a read/peek is in anyway even remotely role fishing? This is a turd. You should feel like a turd.

 

 

There he is.

[Yates]

Obv she doesn't Yates and obv you know this and obv that matters squat because she's a new player and that's the feel SHE is getting from reading your responses hence why she said it.  So why say that at all man?

I don't know what she has read and what you have told her. She characterized my play as being overly defensive in that post and others. So I wanted to know why she was thinking this. That's how I resolve slots, man. By determining motivation and frame of reference.

 

FTR - still waiting on the post that clarifies "and others."

[Yates]

And obv no one ever as any alignment ever gets defensive at all........

Also ftr - this is what YOUR HYDRA PARTNER accused me of. Not the other way around, bub.

[Yates]

Could go for Dice as well. I have no clue why people are town reading him. Parking his vote from like pg2 and later trying to justify a reason it.

 

I don't think "conviction" can be applied anymore as town meta for him. The way he explains Zander's behavior you would think he would be town reading him

Were you caught up at this point? It's obviously more than just "conviction" at this point. Yeah, I'd like to see more out of him but this is fairly classic Town Dice. I'm one of the only ones the only one that spotted him as scum last game - when everyone else was "Town clearing" him early for no reason.

[Shad_]

 

 

Yates you don't seem to be as pushy as usual yet, if that makes sense.

No?

 

 

Maybe I'm just not as intimidated anymore, but so far you aren't asking the same pointed questions as you did before.

 

Also, if Shad vs. Lenlo turns out to be a replay of Zander vs. Lenlo from the Matrix game, I will find that amusing.

 

 

I was still chuckling to myself about this post and it just dawned on me that you are probably town for making it.

[Yates]

Crap. I have to leave on my trip. I won't be around for end of day and I'm on page 22 [i think].

 

I have a high level of certainty that Bender is a wolf here. I know this is a tough lynch to push through but his pushes are weird, weak, and tangential. Also, just look at the responses from the last 4 pages or so. I have categorically refuted any point he raised against me. In the mean time, he has continued to focus on "soft" pushes and refused to answer the meat of my arguments. The only conclusion I can reach is that he can't answer them without acknowledging that none of his points have any merit and thus his case and vote have been invalidated. His inability to reset in light of new information is extraordinarily frustrating/wolfy.

 

[v]Bender[/v]

 

I will not be moving this vote.

[Yates]

Like Zander looks like Hallia_mafia to me this game. The depth is good compared to his superficial cases as a wolf, but apparently Dice thinks the opposite and I find that line of thought questionable.

No I agree with Dice. So far he voted me for role fishing and ignoring a question that I had actually answered. How does that demonstrate "depth?"

[Taborline]

 

 

 

Yates you don't seem to be as pushy as usual yet, if that makes sense.

No?

 

 

Maybe I'm just not as intimidated anymore, but so far you aren't asking the same pointed questions as you did before.

 

Also, if Shad vs. Lenlo turns out to be a replay of Zander vs. Lenlo from the Matrix game, I will find that amusing.

 

 

I was still chuckling to myself about this post and it just dawned on me that you are probably town for making it.

 

I do like my conspiracy theories.

 

Yates, I don't find your vote to be out of nowhere, but I'm not sure I agree yet. Zander I can say I have zero ability to read now, my thoughts of them being town were based largely on Besie's posts and confidence, though I can't throw out the idea that a lot of info could be coming from Zander and the back and forth about you being overly defensive was interesting...

[Yates]

 

 

If you're alive [Clov] Day 3 imma be really really worried........lololololololololol

Also pings and simultaneously hurts my feelings.

 

 

Why and I'm sorry???

 

Why would you be worried if Clov was still alive on Day 3? I thought my point was fairly clear. I see you later side stepped my point again when I asked when lynching me Day 1 is ever +EV for Town and your response was "why does it matter if I think you are a wolf?" That's not the right answer. The right answer is that I get resolved because I'm one of the worst mislynches in the current player list. That's not my ego talking it's simply a fact. I could point to my current basic game record if I needed to. It's a pretty ridic record.

[Yates]

Yates, I don't find your vote to be out of nowhere, but I'm not sure I agree yet.

Well I'm out of time and this is my last post. I simply don't have the luxury of being able to flesh out all the reasons I'm right about Zander being a wolf but I'm right about Zander being a wolf. He's the right lynch for the day.

[Yates]

If it helps? I have pegged and voted for a wolf Day 1 in 5 straight games. This will be 6.