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Yates Master

Yates

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:28 AM, Zander said:

Please lmk if I'm missing something.cause I'm not reading it all.

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:28 AM, Zander said:

it is almost always advisable to fake your "peek" on someone you are Town reading.

In other words, have a Town read first then go ahead and drop your peek. I don't remember if I wrote it in the main article or in the comments section but the idea is that a peek should look a lot like a read.
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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:01 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 1:51 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 12/2/2015 at 11:05 PM, Shad_ said:

Dice is definitely town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 1:56 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 12:28 AM, BlomBesie said:

Sooh/Shad is town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

I feel like you should know that's there's a N0 peek Yates...so my question to you is...

 

Why you ask this?

 

 

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 2:14 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 2:01 AM, Zander said:

Why you ask this?

No reason. Just thought maybe they could fabricate a reason for the "read."

 

 

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 2:33 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 2:28 AM, Zander said:

Please lmk if I'm missing something.cause I'm not reading it all.

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:28 AM, Zander said:

it is almost always advisable to fake your "peek" on someone you are Town reading.

In other words, have a Town read first then go ahead and drop your peek. I don't remember if I wrote it in the main article or in the comments section but the idea is that a peek should look a lot like a read.

 

 

ok but then why did you choose to not comment on this when I'm pretty sure BFG hadn't posted any real game comment atp.....

 

  On 12/2/2015 at 6:36 PM, Andrej said:

BFG is a villager btw

Lenlo Spam Master

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Alright so after all that I feel most comfortable going after Clov to see what happens, Notbob to get him in here or a no lynch. Lynching inactives doesnt give us alot to go off regardless of their flip. No lynch basically gives the scum a free day and on D1 atleast theres a decent chance their kill doesnt tell us to much about the game cause there isnt alot to go on. Id like it if someone more experienced with No Lynchs weighed in on this.

 

Cause of this, [v]Clov[/v] cause hes the best of some crappy options today.

 

There was more but DM lost it, so bleh.

Yates Master

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:49 AM, Lenlo said:

Also paraphrase that article for me Yates, cause im not reading it. :P

Cliffs:

 

  • EVERYONE should provide seer cover.
  • Peeks should be clear.
  • Seer cover based on reads is usually more accurate than random luck.
  • Don’t drop cover.
  • Seer hunt clear is a real thing.
Lenlo Spam Master

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What does Seer cover mean? Like dont out the seer I assume, that kinda stuff? Or make soft hints at being the Seer when you arnt?

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:45 AM, Lenlo said:

 

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@ Len

 

Agreeing somewhat with you on Dice.  Like the post about "AJ would you rather he..."  especially after:

 

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 12:55 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 12:14 AM, BlomBesie said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 12:12 AM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 12:10 AM, BlomBesie said:

 

  On 12/2/2015 at 11:59 PM, Shad_ said:

Blom, have you spectated any games before or is this kind of a leap into the dark for you?

I followed that previous one... what was it called... euhm. I'll check and get back to you

Are you scum?

No.

 

 

 

So says most scum.....

 

 

 

Like I don't understand what kind of answers he is looking for.  The vote does feel like a joke to me and as far as piling on it was pretty early on D1 so I'm pretty meh about it.

Clovdyx Spam Master

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First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Yates Master

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:36 AM, Zander said:

ok but then why did you choose to not comment on this when I'm pretty sure BFG hadn't posted any real game comment atp.....

Because those two were both later in the game and I was trying to make a point? I'm not keeping track of peeks. I just want them to be good. That's all I'm saying.
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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:56 AM, Lenlo said:

What does Seer cover mean? Like dont out the seer I assume, that kinda stuff? Or make soft hints at being the Seer when you arnt?

 

Not so soft hints at being the seer, done through leaving a fake peek. 

Lenlo Spam Master

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:58 AM, Clovdyx said:

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

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  On 12/3/2015 at 2:48 AM, Lenlo said:

 

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Alright so after all that I feel most comfortable going after Clov to see what happens, Notbob to get him in here or a no lynch. Lynching inactives doesnt give us alot to go off regardless of their flip. No lynch basically gives the scum a free day and on D1 atleast theres a decent chance their kill doesnt tell us to much about the game cause there isnt alot to go on. Id like it if someone more experienced with No Lynchs weighed in on this.

 

Cause of this, [v]Clov[/v] cause hes the best of some crappy options today.

 

There was more but DM lost it, so bleh.

 

 

@ Len

 

On your point about me, after I got Yates response I had brought up the AJ BFG peek and commented on it cause him leaving it out pings me.  Does knowing this change your thought process about the comment at all?

 

Also the asking Why for seer cover from you is pinging me.

 

It's like you guys may be trying to go fishing and that's not sitting well with me at all...

Lenlo Spam Master

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I just had no idea what they meant by Seer cover.

 

I did like that you brought up the AJ BFG thing, cause it showed you were lookin back and tryin to draw connections rather than just lookin for a hole to pounce through. The thing about your slot is I have had 1 game with you where I knew who you were, and we were scum buddies together. And we spent the entire game at each others throat. So reading you is gonna be hard.

Yates Master

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  On 12/3/2015 at 3:01 AM, Zander said:

It's like you guys may be trying to go fishing and that's not sitting well with me at all...

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More like I'm the crotchety old fish trying to teach these young whipper snappers [get it? snapper? HA!] how to roundhouse kick a hook instead of swallowing it.

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  On 12/3/2015 at 3:00 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 2:58 AM, Clovdyx said:

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

 

 

 I don't think I ever explained his vote as nothing?  I explained why I could actually see him having some concern about me, so I don't see how that's "explaining it as nothing"; if anything, it's the exact opposite.

 

Bold - Okay, ignoring the seeming contradiction from your previous post, explain to me what you think is "odd".

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  On 12/3/2015 at 3:03 AM, Lenlo said:

I just had no idea what they meant by Seer cover.

 

I did like that you brought up the AJ BFG thing, cause it showed you were lookin back and tryin to draw connections rather than just lookin for a hole to pounce through. The thing about your slot is I have had 1 game with you where I knew who you were, and we were scum buddies together. And we spent the entire game at each others throat. So reading you is gonna be hard.

 

 

FWIW- You're not posting at all like the 1 game we played together as scum, like so far it seems like you are actually working to a game solve and that makes me wanna give you a slight town lean atp.

 

I'll also be looking for anyone who has Town!Len Meta to weigh in on you.

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  On 12/3/2015 at 3:06 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 3:01 AM, Zander said:

It's like you guys may be trying to go fishing and that's not sitting well with me at all...

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More like I'm the crotchety old fish trying to teach these young whipper snappers [get it? snapper? HA!] how to roundhouse kick a hook instead of swallowing it.

 

 

 

Sorry brother but you're not doing anything to make me feel better about my concerns.  You ignored my point about you leaving out AJ's peek while responding to stuff afterwards, your responses are seemingly coming off as nonchalant or brushing them aside instead of trying to help explain it out and address the actual concerns and it seems like you ARE role fishing.

 

[v] Yates [/v]

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  On 12/3/2015 at 3:07 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 3:00 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 2:58 AM, Clovdyx said:

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

 

 

 I don't think I ever explained his vote as nothing?  I explained why I could actually see him having some concern about me, so I don't see how that's "explaining it as nothing"; if anything, it's the exact opposite.

 

Bold - Okay, ignoring the seeming contradiction from your previous post, explain to me what you think is "odd".

 

Let me explain the bold in a way that should be obvious. Its not odd that you react to something. AJ threw a rock at you, you react to it. Fine, whatever. How you react to getting hit with the rock is whats worth looking at here. The rock AJ threw was his vote. Your reaction at first was a joking, haha, I hate you to. But then you start trying to figure out AJs vote rather than just say ASK HIM. but the only options you gave him were "To get the thread started" or "Im being abrasive and you might not like that". The way that was setup was like a pick one AJ, otherwise im gonna grill you cause the one you picked isnt a viable option. You pigeon holed him from how I see it.

 

Thing is, neither of those options make his vote one of substance. Neither of those options are very defensible as a case. By leaving him those options you basically dismiss his vote as nothing against your alignment cause well he either wanted thread reactions or hes just reacting to an attitude I have decided to adopt right before this game without telling anyone. Its not great.

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Sorry that isnt formatted/split up well. On the phone for abit while I reset breakers cause of electrical problems. Ask me about anything in there and I iwll try to explain better when I have a keyboard back.

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  On 12/3/2015 at 3:16 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 3:07 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 3:00 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 12/3/2015 at 2:58 AM, Clovdyx said:

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

 

 

 I don't think I ever explained his vote as nothing?  I explained why I could actually see him having some concern about me, so I don't see how that's "explaining it as nothing"; if anything, it's the exact opposite.

 

Bold - Okay, ignoring the seeming contradiction from your previous post, explain to me what you think is "odd".

 

Let me explain the bold in a way that should be obvious. Its not odd that you react to something. AJ threw a rock at you, you react to it. Fine, whatever. How you react to getting hit with the rock is whats worth looking at here. The rock AJ threw was his vote. Your reaction at first was a joking, haha, I hate you to. But then you start trying to figure out AJs vote rather than just say ASK HIM. but the only options you gave him were "To get the thread started" or "Im being abrasive and you might not like that". The way that was setup was like a pick one AJ, otherwise im gonna grill you cause the one you picked isnt a viable option. You pigeon holed him from how I see it.

 

Thing is, neither of those options make his vote one of substance. Neither of those options are very defensible as a case. By leaving him those options you basically dismiss his vote as nothing against your alignment cause well he either wanted thread reactions or hes just reacting to an attitude I have decided to adopt right before this game without telling anyone. Its not great.

 

 

Then go back and re-read.  

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Thats all you have to say to that? Go back and reread? Tell me how I am wrong. Defend your position. Cause atm your just saying "Nuh-uh, your wrong."

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Because you are wrong.  I had no reason to ASK him, because he had already been asked.  Taborline asked him directly what he didn't like.  I said I had thoughts on the matter - which did - and I was going to wait until after he answered, specifically so I DIDN'T spoonfeed him an answer.  

 

He gave the answer of "vibes" and then asked what MY take was.  I told him what I had figured his mindset was.  I never forced him to choose between one; I never said it HAD to be one of them.  I said those were the two scenarios that I could have seen him reaching it as.  

 

So your statement about me grilling him if he didn't choose one is objectively wrong, because he didn't...and I didn't.

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