Diablo the mafia game!

[Yates]

FTR - I have no idea what's going on with you two either.

[Yates]

Please lmk if I'm missing something.cause I'm not reading it all.

No problem. You just bolded the wrong part. Let me help:

it is almost always advisable to fake your "peek" on someone you are Town reading.

In other words, have a Town read first then go ahead and drop your peek. I don't remember if I wrote it in the main article or in the comments section but the idea is that a peek should look a lot like a read.

[Zander?]

 

 

Dice is definitely town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

I feel like you should know that's there's a N0 peek Yates...so my question to you is...

 

Why you ask this?

 

 

 

 

Why you ask this?

No reason. Just thought maybe they could fabricate a reason for the "read."

 

 

 

 

Please lmk if I'm missing something.cause I'm not reading it all.

No problem. You just bolded the wrong part. Let me help:

it is almost always advisable to fake your "peek" on someone you are Town reading.

In other words, have a Town read first then go ahead and drop your peek. I don't remember if I wrote it in the main article or in the comments section but the idea is that a peek should look a lot like a read.

 

 

ok but then why did you choose to not comment on this when I'm pretty sure BFG hadn't posted any real game comment atp.....

 

BFG is a villager btw

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

Pg 1 - Not Much

 

Have I? Really?

So Tress, wanted to let you know in advance im claiming Survivor this game. Thought that might interest you. :P

I'm 95% sure you're joking here, but on the off chance you're serious, please don't do this if town. I'd mafia, go right ahead :p

 

Only thing on Pg 1 that stuck out to me was this. Kinda off reaction. Doesnt mean anything on its own, but might be useful later on. Also the whole "I'd Mafia" thing is iffy.

 

Pg 2 - Not much

picks up a set of Bul Kathos swords puts on his Wastes and Immortal Kings gear and Whirlwinds Zander to death.

 

vote Zander

 

 

Come in   Stay awhile

 

 

we can lynch the lol machine

2nd vote on Zander? Its jokey sure, but why Zander? Cause someone else was already there and ride the joke train? What? ANSWER ME!

 

Pg 3 - Not much

To be fair he kinda deserves it, Besie.

Soft defense of the two voting Zander, Clov and Dice. Could easily still be joking but again something im gonna save for later down the road.

 

*invades the thread and throws a kiss to the girls*

Disgusting. Insta scum right here. Bad. :P

 

Pg 4 - Just some out of game conversation and Zander being Zander. Will have to wait and see how he does, cause it should be obvious to everyone now that he can do the whole song and dance as both scum or town.

 

Pg 5 - More chatting. Not much goin on.

 

 

Pg 6 - Mostly Pral stuff, stay safe bro, and this

BFG is a villager btw

Why? The weird thing to me is, I see no reason to state this. BFG wasnt in any trouble, so why say this? Cause now I am curious.

 

Pg 7 - Chatting, and this

I guess talking about Shad's wet dream killed the thread :(

[v]Clov[/v]

Have liked him least of everyone thus far.

I actually dont hate this. I am questioning of Clov, but someone has to jump start this game. Might as well be like this.

 

I don't like you either.

Pretty unconcerned reaction.

 

Pg 8

 

 

 

What is it about Clov that you don't like most of anyone?

I have thoughts on this, but I'll wait until he answers.

Do share

 

 

I figured there were two possibilities.  One, you feel that I'm being more...IDK the right word... abrasive? than probably necessarily at the start of the game.  Given that I try to be fairly accommodating to start a game, and you've only seen me as town (TUS not withstanding), I could see you thinking that may be indicative of my mafia game.

 

Or you just wanted to stir the pot a bit - both towards the rest of the game, as well as me.

 

Kinda odd explaining someone elses vote on you. Feels weird.

 

Killed the thread.   

 

Also, Dice and Bender are probably town.  Still going to try to lynch Zander, just for the hell of it, though.

Why are Dice and Bender town? Please explain. Im not a fan of the flippant push at Zander though.

 

would you rather he assume you are Mafia AJ?

Weird...

 

No. The point is he didn't even seem to think I could be

Nice catch. It did seem to me like he was making an assumption of your alignment when explaining your actions, rather than looking at them from a neutral point of view and trying to figure you out.

 

 

 

 

[Lenlo]

 

 

Pg 9

 

Killed the thread.   

 

Also, Dice and Bender are probably town.  Still going to try to lynch Zander, just for the hell of it, though.

 

Dice is definitely town.

 

Whyyyyyyy?

 

I probably haven't been?  I made a conscious decision to not hold back this game (will probably do it ~somewhat, since I don't feel like ruining friendships) if need be, so I would guess I'm more likely to see myself as being a jerk than others would.  

 

But as it relates to AJ, I have a hard time coming up with any other serious reason for him being concerned about me over everyone else.

I dont see why your so focused on why AJ voted you. Your caring to much about a vote that seemed to me just to try and kickstart the game.

 

 

Also Clov, what brought you to an early town lean on Bender?

 

How comfortable were you in your first scum game?

 

Weird question?

 

As for Bender I wouldnt say she has enough posts yet for me to go one way or the other and Zander I need time to figure out. They are a solid neutral for me atm.

 

Pg 10

I really dislike lying, Shad. You'll learn this about me in time.

Also wanted to say: I miss your anime girly picture.

Ugh, people who dont lie in mafia are so booooooring. 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

Why?

 

Pg 11

Well that's cool.

From my POV I have to decide whether I think Shad is actually trying to figure out Besie or if he wants it to look that way. I've seen him talk before as scum about playing to his meta, like hitting wickets or something, and looking at their interaction I get the "playing with my prey" impression that he's said to me personally about how he handles potential suspects.

TLDR - we'll see.

Clov I like marginally better but I don't think any of the observations he's made are outside of his capability as scum. He understands the perspective game and would know he needs to look like he's evaluating my intent. Still a bit curious about his original statement though.

Anyway - DL is tomorrow so let's start buckling down and discussing people. I'm starting to see some seer cover so that's much appreciated.

Im iffy on Clov. He could be evaluating you, but on the other hand he seemed rather reactive/defensive to the whole thing which wasnt good.

 

 

 

Dice is definitely town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

I feel like you should know that's there's a N0 peek Yates...so my question to you is...

 

Why you ask this?

 

Ok but what about AJs read of BFG on page 6? What if that was the N0 peek? You cant just take someone saying someone else is town at face value. I think why is a valid question. Why are you questioning is his question?

 

Pg 12

Silence.

Fine.

Let me give you a for instance.

Dice is Town. I think Dice is Town because Town Dice is like:

[didn't want to steal Cory's shrub gif]

Ok, someone explained their Dice read.

 

 

 

Alright so after all that I feel most comfortable going after Clov to see what happens, Notbob to get him in here or a no lynch. Lynching inactives doesnt give us alot to go off regardless of their flip. No lynch basically gives the scum a free day and on D1 atleast theres a decent chance their kill doesnt tell us to much about the game cause there isnt alot to go on. Id like it if someone more experienced with No Lynchs weighed in on this.

 

Cause of this, [v]Clov[/v] cause hes the best of some crappy options today.

 

There was more but DM lost it, so bleh.

[Lenlo]

Also paraphrase that article for me Yates, cause im not reading it. :P

[Yates]

Also paraphrase that article for me Yates, cause im not reading it. :P

Cliffs:

 

• EVERYONE should provide seer cover.
• Peeks should be clear.
• Seer cover based on reads is usually more accurate than random luck.
• Don’t drop cover.
• Seer hunt clear is a real thing.

[Lenlo]

What does Seer cover mean? Like dont out the seer I assume, that kinda stuff? Or make soft hints at being the Seer when you arnt?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Pg 1 - Not Much

 

Have I? Really?

 

So Tress, wanted to let you know in advance im claiming Survivor this game. Thought that might interest you. :P

I'm 95% sure you're joking here, but on the off chance you're serious, please don't do this if town. I'd mafia, go right ahead :p

 

Only thing on Pg 1 that stuck out to me was this. Kinda off reaction. Doesnt mean anything on its own, but might be useful later on. Also the whole "I'd Mafia" thing is iffy.

 

Pg 2 - Not much

picks up a set of Bul Kathos swords puts on his Wastes and Immortal Kings gear and Whirlwinds Zander to death.

 

vote Zander

 

 

Come in   Stay awhile

 

 

we can lynch the lol machine

2nd vote on Zander? Its jokey sure, but why Zander? Cause someone else was already there and ride the joke train? What? ANSWER ME!

 

Pg 3 - Not much

To be fair he kinda deserves it, Besie.

Soft defense of the two voting Zander, Clov and Dice. Could easily still be joking but again something im gonna save for later down the road.

 

*invades the thread and throws a kiss to the girls*

Disgusting. Insta scum right here. Bad. :P

 

Pg 4 - Just some out of game conversation and Zander being Zander. Will have to wait and see how he does, cause it should be obvious to everyone now that he can do the whole song and dance as both scum or town.

 

Pg 5 - More chatting. Not much goin on.

 

 

Pg 6 - Mostly Pral stuff, stay safe bro, and this

BFG is a villager btw

Why? The weird thing to me is, I see no reason to state this. BFG wasnt in any trouble, so why say this? Cause now I am curious.

 

Pg 7 - Chatting, and this

I guess talking about Shad's wet dream killed the thread :(

 

[v]Clov[/v]

 

Have liked him least of everyone thus far.

I actually dont hate this. I am questioning of Clov, but someone has to jump start this game. Might as well be like this.

 

I don't like you either.

Pretty unconcerned reaction.

 

Pg 8

 

 

 

What is it about Clov that you don't like most of anyone?

I have thoughts on this, but I'll wait until he answers.

Do share

 

 

I figured there were two possibilities.  One, you feel that I'm being more...IDK the right word... abrasive? than probably necessarily at the start of the game.  Given that I try to be fairly accommodating to start a game, and you've only seen me as town (TUS not withstanding), I could see you thinking that may be indicative of my mafia game.

 

Or you just wanted to stir the pot a bit - both towards the rest of the game, as well as me.

 

Kinda odd explaining someone elses vote on you. Feels weird.

 

Killed the thread.   

 

Also, Dice and Bender are probably town.  Still going to try to lynch Zander, just for the hell of it, though.

Why are Dice and Bender town? Please explain. Im not a fan of the flippant push at Zander though.

 

would you rather he assume you are Mafia AJ?

Weird...

 

No. The point is he didn't even seem to think I could be

Nice catch. It did seem to me like he was making an assumption of your alignment when explaining your actions, rather than looking at them from a neutral point of view and trying to figure you out.

 

 

 

@ Len

 

Agreeing somewhat with you on Dice.  Like the post about "AJ would you rather he..."  especially after:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blom, have you spectated any games before or is this kind of a leap into the dark for you?

I followed that previous one... what was it called... euhm. I'll check and get back to you

Are you scum?

No.

 

 

 

So says most scum.....

 

 

 

Like I don't understand what kind of answers he is looking for.  The vote does feel like a joke to me and as far as piling on it was pretty early on D1 so I'm pretty meh about it.

[Clovdyx]

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

[Yates]

ok but then why did you choose to not comment on this when I'm pretty sure BFG hadn't posted any real game comment atp.....

Because those two were both later in the game and I was trying to make a point? I'm not keeping track of peeks. I just want them to be good. That's all I'm saying.

[Clovdyx]

What does Seer cover mean? Like dont out the seer I assume, that kinda stuff? Or make soft hints at being the Seer when you arnt?

 

Not so soft hints at being the seer, done through leaving a fake peek. 

[Lenlo]

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

[Zander?]

 

 

Pg 9

 

Killed the thread.   

 

Also, Dice and Bender are probably town.  Still going to try to lynch Zander, just for the hell of it, though.

 

Dice is definitely town.

 

Whyyyyyyy?

 

I probably haven't been?  I made a conscious decision to not hold back this game (will probably do it ~somewhat, since I don't feel like ruining friendships) if need be, so I would guess I'm more likely to see myself as being a jerk than others would.  

 

But as it relates to AJ, I have a hard time coming up with any other serious reason for him being concerned about me over everyone else.

I dont see why your so focused on why AJ voted you. Your caring to much about a vote that seemed to me just to try and kickstart the game.

 

 

Also Clov, what brought you to an early town lean on Bender?

 

How comfortable were you in your first scum game?

 

Weird question?

 

As for Bender I wouldnt say she has enough posts yet for me to go one way or the other and Zander I need time to figure out. They are a solid neutral for me atm.

 

Pg 10

I really dislike lying, Shad. You'll learn this about me in time.

 

Also wanted to say: I miss your anime girly picture.

Ugh, people who dont lie in mafia are so booooooring. 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

Why?

 

Pg 11

Well that's cool.

 

From my POV I have to decide whether I think Shad is actually trying to figure out Besie or if he wants it to look that way. I've seen him talk before as scum about playing to his meta, like hitting wickets or something, and looking at their interaction I get the "playing with my prey" impression that he's said to me personally about how he handles potential suspects.

 

TLDR - we'll see.

 

Clov I like marginally better but I don't think any of the observations he's made are outside of his capability as scum. He understands the perspective game and would know he needs to look like he's evaluating my intent. Still a bit curious about his original statement though.

 

Anyway - DL is tomorrow so let's start buckling down and discussing people. I'm starting to see some seer cover so that's much appreciated.

Im iffy on Clov. He could be evaluating you, but on the other hand he seemed rather reactive/defensive to the whole thing which wasnt good.

 

 

 

Dice is definitely town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

 

Sooh/Shad is town.

Why you say this?

 

 

 

I feel like you should know that's there's a N0 peek Yates...so my question to you is...

 

Why you ask this?

 

Ok but what about AJs read of BFG on page 6? What if that was the N0 peek? You cant just take someone saying someone else is town at face value. I think why is a valid question. Why are you questioning is his question?

 

Pg 12

Silence.

 

Fine.

 

Let me give you a for instance.

 

Dice is Town. I think Dice is Town because Town Dice is like:

[didn't want to steal Cory's shrub gif]

Ok, someone explained their Dice read.

 

 

 

Alright so after all that I feel most comfortable going after Clov to see what happens, Notbob to get him in here or a no lynch. Lynching inactives doesnt give us alot to go off regardless of their flip. No lynch basically gives the scum a free day and on D1 atleast theres a decent chance their kill doesnt tell us to much about the game cause there isnt alot to go on. Id like it if someone more experienced with No Lynchs weighed in on this.

 

Cause of this, [v]Clov[/v] cause hes the best of some crappy options today.

 

There was more but DM lost it, so bleh.

 

 

@ Len

 

On your point about me, after I got Yates response I had brought up the AJ BFG peek and commented on it cause him leaving it out pings me.  Does knowing this change your thought process about the comment at all?

 

Also the asking Why for seer cover from you is pinging me.

 

It's like you guys may be trying to go fishing and that's not sitting well with me at all...

[Lenlo]

I just had no idea what they meant by Seer cover.

 

I did like that you brought up the AJ BFG thing, cause it showed you were lookin back and tryin to draw connections rather than just lookin for a hole to pounce through. The thing about your slot is I have had 1 game with you where I knew who you were, and we were scum buddies together. And we spent the entire game at each others throat. So reading you is gonna be hard.

[Yates]

It's like you guys may be trying to go fishing and that's not sitting well with me at all...

More like I'm the crotchety old fish trying to teach these young whipper snappers [get it? snapper? HA!] how to roundhouse kick a hook instead of swallowing it.

[Clovdyx]

 

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

 

 

 I don't think I ever explained his vote as nothing?  I explained why I could actually see him having some concern about me, so I don't see how that's "explaining it as nothing"; if anything, it's the exact opposite.

 

Bold - Okay, ignoring the seeming contradiction from your previous post, explain to me what you think is "odd".

[Zander?]

I just had no idea what they meant by Seer cover.

 

I did like that you brought up the AJ BFG thing, cause it showed you were lookin back and tryin to draw connections rather than just lookin for a hole to pounce through. The thing about your slot is I have had 1 game with you where I knew who you were, and we were scum buddies together. And we spent the entire game at each others throat. So reading you is gonna be hard.

 

 

FWIW- You're not posting at all like the 1 game we played together as scum, like so far it seems like you are actually working to a game solve and that makes me wanna give you a slight town lean atp.

 

I'll also be looking for anyone who has Town!Len Meta to weigh in on you.

[Zander?]

 

It's like you guys may be trying to go fishing and that's not sitting well with me at all...

More like I'm the crotchety old fish trying to teach these young whipper snappers [get it? snapper? HA!] how to roundhouse kick a hook instead of swallowing it.

 

 

 

Sorry brother but you're not doing anything to make me feel better about my concerns.  You ignored my point about you leaving out AJ's peek while responding to stuff afterwards, your responses are seemingly coming off as nonchalant or brushing them aside instead of trying to help explain it out and address the actual concerns and it seems like you ARE role fishing.

 

[v] Yates [/v]

[Lenlo]

 

 

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

 

 

 I don't think I ever explained his vote as nothing?  I explained why I could actually see him having some concern about me, so I don't see how that's "explaining it as nothing"; if anything, it's the exact opposite.

 

Bold - Okay, ignoring the seeming contradiction from your previous post, explain to me what you think is "odd".

 

Let me explain the bold in a way that should be obvious. Its not odd that you react to something. AJ threw a rock at you, you react to it. Fine, whatever. How you react to getting hit with the rock is whats worth looking at here. The rock AJ threw was his vote. Your reaction at first was a joking, haha, I hate you to. But then you start trying to figure out AJs vote rather than just say ASK HIM. but the only options you gave him were "To get the thread started" or "Im being abrasive and you might not like that". The way that was setup was like a pick one AJ, otherwise im gonna grill you cause the one you picked isnt a viable option. You pigeon holed him from how I see it.

 

Thing is, neither of those options make his vote one of substance. Neither of those options are very defensible as a case. By leaving him those options you basically dismiss his vote as nothing against your alignment cause well he either wanted thread reactions or hes just reacting to an attitude I have decided to adopt right before this game without telling anyone. Its not great.

[Lenlo]

Sorry that isnt formatted/split up well. On the phone for abit while I reset breakers cause of electrical problems. Ask me about anything in there and I iwll try to explain better when I have a keyboard back.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

First, "I'd" is clearly a typo.  I have a hard time believing you couldn't figure that out from context, and...oh...I dunno.  The F and D being right next to each other.  But I digress.

 

You say that I sound unconcerned with his vote (which is a pretty accurate take on that post), but I'm being too defensive/reactive.  It literally can't be both.  Either I don't care that he voted me, or I care entirely too much.  Which is it?

 

Beyond that, why do you find it odd somebody is reacting to actual gameplay?  AJ's move was pretty much the first thing that mattered in the game.  My job is, first, to figure out what his motivation is, so I can figure out if he's mafia or just misguided town.  Second, to show MY thought process so everybody else can form reads about me.

Your unconcerned in your initial reaction, but later on you seem to be trying really hard to explain away AJs vote as nothing. Harder than I think you should. Like, your TRYING to come off as unconcerned when you actually are, you dig?

 

Its not that your reacting to it thats odd, its HOW you react to it.

 

 

 I don't think I ever explained his vote as nothing?  I explained why I could actually see him having some concern about me, so I don't see how that's "explaining it as nothing"; if anything, it's the exact opposite.

 

Bold - Okay, ignoring the seeming contradiction from your previous post, explain to me what you think is "odd".

 

Let me explain the bold in a way that should be obvious. Its not odd that you react to something. AJ threw a rock at you, you react to it. Fine, whatever. How you react to getting hit with the rock is whats worth looking at here. The rock AJ threw was his vote. Your reaction at first was a joking, haha, I hate you to. But then you start trying to figure out AJs vote rather than just say ASK HIM. but the only options you gave him were "To get the thread started" or "Im being abrasive and you might not like that". The way that was setup was like a pick one AJ, otherwise im gonna grill you cause the one you picked isnt a viable option. You pigeon holed him from how I see it.

 

Thing is, neither of those options make his vote one of substance. Neither of those options are very defensible as a case. By leaving him those options you basically dismiss his vote as nothing against your alignment cause well he either wanted thread reactions or hes just reacting to an attitude I have decided to adopt right before this game without telling anyone. Its not great.

 

 

Then go back and re-read.  

[Lenlo]

Thats all you have to say to that? Go back and reread? Tell me how I am wrong. Defend your position. Cause atm your just saying "Nuh-uh, your wrong."

[Lenlo]

[Clovdyx]

Because you are wrong.  I had no reason to ASK him, because he had already been asked.  Taborline asked him directly what he didn't like.  I said I had thoughts on the matter - which did - and I was going to wait until after he answered, specifically so I DIDN'T spoonfeed him an answer.  

 

He gave the answer of "vibes" and then asked what MY take was.  I told him what I had figured his mindset was.  I never forced him to choose between one; I never said it HAD to be one of them.  I said those were the two scenarios that I could have seen him reaching it as.  

 

So your statement about me grilling him if he didn't choose one is objectively wrong, because he didn't...and I didn't.