[Standard] The Matrix Reloaded - Game Over

[Sooh]

Hate to say this, but I feel BFG could be a wolf this time. Her cases and thought process is usually so clear, and here it isn't. Of course she also hasn't had a lot of time, so waiting to conclude is probably a good thing and give her more time to redeem herself. 

[Askthepizzaguy]

So now I'm looking at Shad as being shady given that end of day, now distancing from BFG, her partner, and Sooh being a big ole question mark.

 

Oh, and of course, Dice looks really meh to me, but I defer to others.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey Zander, we're scum together. Did you know that?

 

I think we should murder Shad tonight. A BFG is fine as well.

[BFG]

New day, new me and I actually slept last night :)

 

Good morning!

[BFG]

/snip

 

Then I scrambled over to BFG because why not, I almost feel like BFG posting now when the round is decided is just sort of padding.

 

You know, for all intents and purposes, the round is decided. I would be surprised if even my active discussion about moving it in any other direction would have any effect other than for me to be lynched as the alternative to Rack.

 

This is the single safest part of the round for scums to post in, and BFG could simply be padding her D1 contributions.

 

It's so weak, so flimsy. BFG was one of the people who noted the same thing I noted in my defense of myself, if I recall, about the nature of humanity, we contradict ourselves, etc.

In 3 of 4 of my most recent games as town I've been amongst the highest posters. 'Padding' my post count now isn't going to mean much to anyone. I was hoping by now I'd have more opinions, or at least be more confident with my thoughts, but everything's still a bit grey and I only really post when I have things to say, or mostly when there are people to prod.

 

 

 

That was also a subtle indicator that BFG is either highly reasonable and eminently wonderful, or, knows I'm town.

:)

 

 

[Sili Quirrels]

bfg r u town. I won't believe your answer :P

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes but I don't remember if I learned anythingI remember your post about BFG and it being what you'd do or somethingShould I look again? Am I missing something

Her initial post to me was a reference to a conversation she and I had in pm about a week ago (how we never had a good town/town game).It was perfectly within the rules to bring up, but kinda ehhh to me. Which is why I said I'd totally do it ldo

 

You can start talking to me now instead of about me? (same for Cory)

Please?

What do you mean by ehhh?Also TQ?

 

First of all, I want you to know how proud of you I am. You did great. <3Ehhh... I don't know. I just saw the post and knew instantly what you meant, and it just felt.. Cheap? I don't really know how to explain it. Almost like you were trying to get a town read for nothing.TQ - Town queen :p

 

<3 I didn't do much That was only ever meant as banter and I'm a little surprised you take it as anything else given I'm not actually going to town read you (without mod confirmation) 4 posts into the game and I don't think I'm the sort of player to use 'cheap' tricks. I guess I'm surprised this was your first reaction :/:)  

How confident are you about dice, BFG?

I'm not ready to hang the game on it yet, but pretty good.

 

 

 

I meant get a town read FROM me. You asked if I was town, and after I said yes, you made a comment that essentially boiled down to you claiming town. I'm not going to say that's scummy becaus its not - its completely null. Just the way you went about it was...atypical? I don't know.

 

FEO BFG only

 

 

I hope you're not mad that I actually referenced the convo without your permission. I know that can be frowned on by some.

 

 

I know you meant from you , and 'are you town', 'yup', 'me too' is a decent interpretation of that conversation, if you thought it was odd that would be fine, but you initially called it dirty, then cheap (if I recall correctly) neither of which are ways that I play (I think the worst that can be said of me is perhaps a tendency to ATE, which can be called dirty/cheap, but is a different situation than 4 posts into the game).

 

What I was trying to say was that for that comment to be taken as anything other than banter/a joke I'd have to be town reading you for real, which isn't going to happen that early in a game (regardless of my alignment) so I'm surprised that was your initial response.

 

I don't know if that makes sense?

 

 

 

No worries, I brought it up initially :/

 

 

[BFG]

bfg r u town. I won't believe your answer :P

I am :) and I wouldn't believe you if you said otherwise :p

[alannalynn]

Hi peoples. I'm around, catching up better than I did earlier skimming :/  Going to try to do ISOs as long as I promise myself tomorrow I'll actually do homework lol

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

first off, I am here (barely) and can only apologise for my extremely sketchy presence. Work has been busier than expected. Project is going to technical review today so should be as normal next week and I'll be able to read through properly over the weekend and hopefully stop being useless :/

 

At the moment I'm currently at

 

Shad

Zander

Thane

 

Yates

Dice

 

Nomi?

Sili?

Cory?

Sooh?

Clov?

Tabor?

 

Hallia?

Pral?

Lenlo?

Rack?

 

Generally feeling pretty good about the group up to Dice. I feel good about Nomi and Sili but need to read through again. Cory, Sooh, Clov and Tabor are mixed, I've felt good about them for chunks of the thread and kind of shook my head at others. Thread consensus is affecting my opinions too much on the bottom group at the moment which I don't feel great about, but is what I have.

 

Hallia was higher due to her early response to Laine, but I don't get her vote on Pral or reasons for the turn around. From a technical perspective I don't think I've ever seen a game where Day 1 isn't the longest, sure the fluff: content ratio decreases but the volume of posting drops. From a game perspective I don't understand why she finds it scummy or why this is what she chooses to vote on, I know later she says its fir pressure but what pressure is there from this argument.

 

Pral is different so far, I don't know if its actually scummy yet. I don't like the fact that he had to be asked to explain the positioning in his list of people outside Cory/Zander but pretty sure Mafia!Pral would know that he'd catch flak for it, so its odd more than anything else. I don't remember Pral being so reticent with trades as either alignment.

 

I tried ISOig Lenlo and Rack but all it proved was how bad my thread recall is. I think at the moment they're only in my bottom group because of thread consensus and that bothers me. I'll try to get on at lunch to explain the rest of the 'reads'.

 

Right now I feel worst about Hallia, but given my lack of thread recall I can't put much stock in any of my thoughts at the moment.

 

 

This list looks ~okay, I guess.  If you move Cory up a bunch and replace my name with hers, it's actually incredibly close.  My major complaint with it is that it's just so cookie cutter, and we're 1,600 posts in...and she really didn't help get anybody where they are, if that makes sense.  I would guess that MOST players lists have most of the bottom eight around there in some fashion, but she obviously hasn't contributed anything to get the solve where its at.

 

Work...I fully believe that she's busy with that (bloody biostrat!).  She's not going to lie about it as town, and she's not going to sit there refusing to say anything as mafia and then chalk it up to work.  I will put 100% confidence in that statement.  The problem is similar to what Cory said to Pral - being busy at work doesn't preclude her from randing mafia.  

 

 

 

@BFG - I'm trying very hard to not conclude you're mafia, just on the fact that I know you hate rolling it and you haven't been clear town this game.  Combined with the fact you were considerably more active in the VS game, I have some concerns.  I'm not going to lie about it.  So please, please elaborate on this so I can figure you out better.  Because even though your conclusions look pretty decent, it seems more like the perpetual catch-up from TUS than the wrecking lives from HP. I would love to hear your concerns about Cory and me, specifically, but just give me something to work with? 

 

/meh I know that people are going to have issues with my activity this game, there's nothing I can do about that except play as I can from now on. In the VS game I had ~220 posts in a week and a half, 200+ of them were before last week (and if anyone tries to say I wasn't invested in that game I will hunt them done) (Brian was complaining I was absent the last few days ).

 

I also know that my list is consensus, I said it was when I wrote it, I've skimmed the thread once and remember very little of it, so my strong opinions are going to have to wait till after I've reread.

 

The 'concerns' I have with you and Cory essentially stem from not seeing anything that you couldn't post as mafia and enough individual posts that give me pause. I'll post what I remember but none of it's worth much at this point.

 

 

 

(This isn't fact checked, this is what I remembered as I was writing the list)

 

Your reaction to my initial post has me 'rustled' and I'm 50 50 on whether it's paranoid Town! Clov or Mafia! Clov trying to 'rustle' me

 

 

<3

 

 

 

There were some posts that you made towards Cory that reminded me in tone to those you made to Cory in US. There was a post where you were possibly linking Rack and Sooh/Hallia? I think you were saying Cory had voted Rack taking it to 4 trains that were equal,a and they had unvoted and revoted 2 people that weren't any of the 4 trains you mentioned (this may be misremembered, but it read oddly at the time and I need to check the thread around that comment). Your response to Sooh about low posters, seemed overly aggressive(?) and 'dense', it was obvious what Sooh was referring to.

 

 

 

I know that Cory ramps up towards end of days, but so far he isn't as invested (as say Ragnarok) (I also know I misread him for this in Hoc for 2 game days reading along). He gave an early town read on Zander?, Shad? but most of his early posts seemed (really not sure of the word I'm looking for here) 'not town hunting'? He asked why people were town reading Pral for a couple of posts, town reading you for a couple of posts that you could make as either alignment, and it's not that Cory is wrong, but it jarred somehow. I remember far more 'casting shade' on people than clearing people from the early game. I don't remember him being massively forthcoming about his town reads and why (but that could literally be because I've forgotten or missed those posts). He was pushing Sooh and Hallia early for absence but left me alone and I don't know why. There was something about his interaction with Hallia that seemed off, but I think that stemmed from Hallia.

 

 

 

Writing this is interesting, essentially I think your general approach has been good, bit there are individual posts that seem 'off', whereas I'm not following Cory's general approach this game but there are individual posts that I really 'like'

 

Essentially I need to read the thread again, which I will do after I've found Shad's post, and look at some other games.

 

 

[BFG]

 

Hallia was higher due to her early response to Laine, but I don't get her vote on Pral or reasons for the turn around. From a technical perspective I don't think I've ever seen a game where Day 1 isn't the longest, sure the fluff: content ratio decreases but the volume of posting drops. From a game perspective I don't understand why she finds it scummy or why this is what she chooses to vote on, I know later she says its fir pressure but what pressure is there from this argument.

You lost me on this one. Could you maybe reword what you're thinking here?

 

I don't have a massive sample of Hallia's recent games to work with, but as town she seems to get more defensive over her actual contributions (in Belichick I didn't have her out of null until her argument with Yates), her early response to Laine sort of approached that, so I was feeling reasonably confident. Then Cory and Pral argued and Hallia basically said that Pral saying that game volume dropped day 2/3 onwards was scummy. In no way does this make sense at all, and I don't understand why she finds it scummy.

[alannalynn]

@Z, Shad, Cory, Clov if the rest of you want to skip or w/e

 

 

Note: kept track of vote movement so I can look back later after more flips, so ignore those if you must

 

I'm kind of alarmed when I see people still have me lumped in with null reads at this point in Day 1. Is it fear? I just don't understand.

Fwiw, I really WANT to slot you in town, but then I think "this is Yates, I'm not sure I want to do that so soon". I would say anyone above the middle of my list is leaning town and below leaning scummy.

 

 

Scum!Dice building his fake push around an honest out-of-game concern is pretty dirty and probably not something he would do.

I was going to say your argument was flimsy right up until the last line. I don't feel great clearing a player for this kind of non game related nonsense but you are probably right here. I think Dice has a pretty strong moral compass that prevents him from doing the types of dastardly deeds I was once capable of as scum...

Okay. I can take him out of today's pool. And be soul crushed if he's scum. SOUL CRUSHED, DICE!

 

This actually helps a little bit with Dice, but I feel like I really need to ISO him to get a better feel. All the back and forth with Nomi kinda threw me off because I wasn't getting a very good read on him either way from how aggressive(?) his posts were irt alts being used.

 

Hallia, i hope you broke your wolf streak. I'm still not totally convinced of you being town right now. Especially post 1323 was a big nope to me... 

I had to go back and see what post 1323 was..  It's where she unvotes Dice to move to Pral because his posts in response to Cory. I feel like the reasoning was pretty weak, but he was being less than helpful, lol

 

#1583 Shad town.  Also, why did you leave Nomi out? Curious. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

Clov votes Rack

VC

 

 

Votecount

Rack - Yates, Lenlo, Corlanna, Taborline, Thane, Hallia, Shad, Clov (8)

Nomi - Clov, Dice (1)

Pral - Sooh (1)

Zander - Pral  (1)

Lenlo - Zander (1)

 

 

Sooh is an odd slot. I have one real reason for thinking she's a villager but it's not amazing and I have seen her far more obvious before. With that said I'd still guess v. Laine disagrees with me there so if I'm wrong she gets some credit for being better than me.

You buy me chocolate if Sooh flips w? I'll hold you to that *nod*

 

Nomi votes Sooh.

VC:

 

Votecount

Rack - Yates, Lenlo, Corlanna, Taborline, Thane, Hallia, Shad, Clov (8)

Nomi - Dice (1)

Pral - Sooh (1)

Zander - Pral  (1)

Lenlo - Zander (1)

Sooh - Nomi (1)

 

 

The Sooh ISO, plus my reactions.

 

Vote Thane

general pleasantries and a post about making it "right" this game, at Shad. Is a mild negative indicator.

likes Rack

hi fives me, reads my post at Zander being a townie as sarcasm, not legitimate declaration which it was.

Jab at Sili for OMGUS voting me

helpful post

Agrees with Sili that Zander and Corylynn are townies.

friendly post at Dice

Gives Zander a hard time

Clov goes for Sooh, Sooh suggests she doesn't actually suspect Sili. This feels a little off considering the jab.

 

Postings are a day apart at a time here, suggesting Sooh is actually busy since she's getting voted.

 

Swats at Thane for his reaction to having a random / "joke" vote on him for a bit.

Talks to taborline

Does seem to be anticipating more votes than she got, as if aware of the pressure and the suspicion without reading much? Perhaps a peek ahead and saw her name being mentioned and assumed the worst? I dunno.

Talks to taborline, Talks to cory

Misinterprets Zander's post, which Lenlo correctly interprets. Sooh is off on her reading of context.

Says will ISO Thane, says Thane sounds completely fake in this post

Says she needs an interpreter to read Zander.

Tosses Zander's wrong about Sooh history back at Zander.

Says Corlanna, Sili, Zander, and Shad are townies. Of those, only Shad could even realistically be her wolf buddy, imo. So I want to know why she thought Shad was a townie there. I don't see Sooh being wolf with Zander based on her exchange with him, I don't see Sooh being wolf with Sili who is never a wolf this game, and Corlanna and Sooh, nay. Cory's actions have negated that likelihood.

Says Thane is a wolf in that post too. I think her townies are just consensus + a wolf (if she's a wolf) or consensus + someone who had posted really well around that time (in either alignment). It's not risky.

Has trouble understanding a Clov post, in a way that slightly counterindicates Clov being mafia if she is.

When Shad prompts Sooh to look at Thane closer, she wavers and says she needs to ISO and make up her mind on him. hmm.

Shad prompts Sooh to town better and lynch scum with her. Almost feels like in-thread coaching. Can wolves generally talk to one another during the day phase on these boards? Is it always yes or no, or depends on the game?

On my prompting to give me a name besides Thane for wolf, she names: Tabor, Dice, Hally, Lenlo. Cautiously watching Clov, Yates, Nomi.

On my prompting says I'm almost clear town.

Says has read dice, and doesn't give any indication there was work done.

Says Taboo (Taborline) is town

Looking back, here's the post that pinged me but I went in the other direction with it and said I don't think she'd be so inconsistent as a scum.

Says she ISO'ed Hallia, still no work demonstrated. Vaguely talks about Lenlo.

Feels good about Taborline but I can't really see why.

This one feels odd.

Wants more Rack posts, backs up BFG on something.

Votes Hallia

 

Ehhh.... I can't continue to give a blow by blow.

 

Votes Pralaya. That vote felt defensive.

 

This one feels manipulative and legit frustrated.

 

Her suspects are now Rack, Pral, Lenlo, and Dice. I feel like these are people others mentioned as suspects plus an OMGUS thrown in.

 

Yates and Sooh go at it, Sooh trends down for Yates, and Sooh pouts a bit.

 

She's really really rattled. And that's it, that's all her posts.

 

 

Nomi I think it's a dangerous dangerous assumption to believe that wolves are going to play well.

 

I want to find the good wolves, Cory.

 

But you're right... a wolf can play badly.

 

Sadly I think it's Sooh. And that's really sadly on my part.

 

I don't believe she found those townies on her own and I think her suspects are recycled or defensive reactions to those players interactions with her.

 

I think she too easily cleared and was friendly toward certain people for diplomatic reasons.

 

 

i can see HOW you came to this as i was reading her scum as well but:

 

1) i felt she was genuinely frustrated yesterday and i feel theres stronger wolf candidates atp

 

2) i have been wrong about Sooh's alignment a lot....and shes usually an easy candidate for mislynch.

 

3) i feel even if im wrong Wolf!Sooh shows herself much more easier as we move along

 

4) i just wanted to prove to everyone i could count this high

I'm not sure what you're saying here Zander? Do you think Sooh is a wolf or no?

 

VC

 

Cory votes Pral

Shad Unvotes

Rack votes Sooh, commits to shooting her if lynched

Sili votes Sooh

Sili votes Rack

Pral votes Rack- doesn't believe claim, asks to be shot

Sili votes Pral

Sili votes Rack

Nomi votes Lenlo, backing up Zander pushes

Cory votes Lenlo

Shad vote Lenlo

 

VC: Rack - Yates, Lenlo, Taborline, Thane, Hallia, Clov, Pral, Sili (8)
Nomi - Dice (1)
Pral - Sooh (1)
Lenlo - Zander, Nomi, Corlanna, Shad (4)
Sooh - Rack (1)

 

 

Cory/Clov:

 

 

Plus Laine will yell at me

*nod*

 

 

 

not sure what we're waiting for in terms of the hammer vote.

Clov.so trying to get me to take a stance...Halfway through Lenlo's ISO

At least I'm not voting a town read to deliberately force a tie and make you the swing vote? It would take a real jerk to do that....

<3 you Alanna

h8te you

 

 

times up

 

vote Rack

Dice Hammer.

 

1043 is the only real problem I have with Rack's ISO, as it's shifting the goalposts and I'm not sure how context can ever not matter, but that's a playstyle matter and I don't know if it's actually scummy.

Lenlo is trickier from ISO because I don't remember what was happening in thread at the time. At the moment I'd be more tempted to vote here, but it's hard to define why. His initial read on Rack doesn't make much sense, some of his responses to Nomi are odd. Nothing massively specific though.

My vote now would be on Lenlo if Dice hadn't just hammered, but it would be one of the most uninformed I've ever made.

BFG... you're killing me.

 

Why would Nolder prompt him to choose a target before being lynched if he can pick after he has been lynched?

 

Anyway

 

[unvote]

[v]Rack[/v]

 

Just in case Dice wasn't hammer.

Sooh overkill weird.

 

Final VC

 

 

Final Votecount

Rack - Yates, Lenlo, Taborline, Thane, Hallia, Clov, Pral, Sili, Dice (9)

Lenlo - Zander, Nomi, Corlanna, Shad (4)

Pral - Sooh (1)

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: Friday 30th 3PM PST.

 

 

 

Sooh town?  Surely.

Why? Talk to me Shad.

 

here is what i remember from ppl.

2) Sooh - foot in mouth tone. awkward phrasing. aggressive stances but tone similar to when scum.
3) Sili - basically afks half of day 1.
4) Thane - haven't read him for a while but i think he's fine.
5) Hallia - i think town but really cant remember anything from her. could go either way on this slot.
6) Shad - town by length of his posts :P
7) Taborline - dunno
8) Lenlo - thought he was town midway through
9) Yates - aggressive with purpose imo. town.
10) Zander - has content town.
11) Corlanna (Cory/Alanna) - probably town. i think he would have taken a more aggressive stance towards rack if he was mafia just to imitate his town game.

13) Nomi - lots of long posts explaining her thoughts. scared of dying perhaps.
14) Dice - dont think hes town yet. seems half-hearted in his bussing.
15) BFG - probably a wolf for being inactive so much tbh.
16) Clov - prob town with his clovean instincts.

I like this list. I think pressure needs to be on Sooh, Hally, Tab, BFG tomorrow. Pending ISOs a few that are bothering me.

 

pg 106: Zander, you're saying Dice's vote was opportunistic? What do you think would have happened in the last 20 minutes?

 

Laine's at work until 5 and I miss her :(

Opposing schedules hard sometimes

She texts
Me during her breaks

 

BFG probably scum?  Simple matter of town telling pretty well and I don't think there can be that many deep wolves.  She's got plenty of time to show it if she's town before the next lynch DL.

BFG seriously sketching me out. If she was in "ISO land" and then gave 10 lines on Len/Rack; I would expect more from her. But meh... I'm hoping to see more in this next phase to make a decision. Leaning wolfy for now.

 

So now I'm looking at Shad as being shady given that end of day, now distancing from BFG, her partner, and Sooh being a big ole question mark.

 

Oh, and of course, Dice looks really meh to me, but I defer to others.

Shad most likely town. BFG/Sooh, not.

 

[Thane Vakarian]

i will not be around much this weekend, halloween celebrations and all.

 

Rack wasn't lying it seemed. It's good to know how he works, should we ever have another game together. I think him being an unknown to most got him killed, so it'll be interesting to see who overly pushed him, and who didn't. 

 

Sucks for Pral not to have made it to D2. He's quite unlucky lately.

 

i'll peek in every now and then, and am looking forward to start D2. It'll be game on then.     

[alannalynn]

Okay I'm caught up. Going to go back and try to ISO a bit I suppose. It's just about bed time though :(

[alannalynn]

HI THANE!

[Thane Vakarian]

hi !

[BFG]

Hi :)

[Sili Quirrels]

i will not be around much this weekend, halloween celebrations and all.

 

Rack wasn't lying it seemed. It's good to know how he works, should we ever have another game together. I think him being an unknown to most got him killed, so it'll be interesting to see who overly pushed him, and who didn't. 

 

Sucks for Pral not to have made it to D2. He's quite unlucky lately.

 

i'll peek in every now and then, and am looking forward to start D2. It'll be game on then.     

1. yes, obviously he wasn't lying. did you figure this out just now?

 

2. it is good, but nows not really the time to focus on his meta.

 

3. yes, if ppl knew him better he probably wouldnt have been lynched.

 

4. how does this 'itll be interesting to see who pushed him' follow from the rest of the sentence?

 

5. whats the point of this post? a sitrep for the game?

 

Bro, so awkward and hamfisted and forced and i want to kill you right now right here. it sends all the wrong signals to me and i remember your wolf game is this. just this.

[Sili Quirrels]

Hi :)

 

 

hi !

 

 

HI THANE!

the three wolves? pigs? what was the story?

[Sili Quirrels]

Okay, enough of me being silly.

 

Thane I sincerely don't like that last post. i mean i agree i am an idiot, but it doesn't sit well, and this feeling will probably carry onto tomorrow and i will probably vote you at least once.

 

i actually dont know what you could possible do to convince me you are town after that post. I just have a raw hatred for it.

 

bfg its good you're here now, but the fact you have nothing to say after 100 pages means you're rand a wolf. sorry it happened to you :(

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes but I don't remember if I learned anythingI remember your post about BFG and it being what you'd do or somethingShould I look again? Am I missing something

Her initial post to me was a reference to a conversation she and I had in pm about a week ago (how we never had a good town/town game).It was perfectly within the rules to bring up, but kinda ehhh to me. Which is why I said I'd totally do it ldo

 

You can start talking to me now instead of about me? (same for Cory)

Please?

What do you mean by ehhh?Also TQ?

 

First of all, I want you to know how proud of you I am. You did great. <3Ehhh... I don't know. I just saw the post and knew instantly what you meant, and it just felt.. Cheap? I don't really know how to explain it. Almost like you were trying to get a town read for nothing.TQ - Town queen :p

 

<3 I didn't do much That was only ever meant as banter and I'm a little surprised you take it as anything else given I'm not actually going to town read you (without mod confirmation) 4 posts into the game and I don't think I'm the sort of player to use 'cheap' tricks. I guess I'm surprised this was your first reaction :/:)  

How confident are you about dice, BFG?

I'm not ready to hang the game on it yet, but pretty good.

 

 

 

I meant get a town read FROM me. You asked if I was town, and after I said yes, you made a comment that essentially boiled down to you claiming town. I'm not going to say that's scummy becaus its not - its completely null. Just the way you went about it was...atypical? I don't know.

 

FEO BFG only

 

 

I hope you're not mad that I actually referenced the convo without your permission. I know that can be frowned on by some.

 

 

I know you meant from you , and 'are you town', 'yup', 'me too' is a decent interpretation of that conversation, if you thought it was odd that would be fine, but you initially called it dirty, then cheap (if I recall correctly) neither of which are ways that I play (I think the worst that can be said of me is perhaps a tendency to ATE, which can be called dirty/cheap, but is a different situation than 4 posts into the game).

 

What I was trying to say was that for that comment to be taken as anything other than banter/a joke I'd have to be town reading you for real, which isn't going to happen that early in a game (regardless of my alignment) so I'm surprised that was your initial response.

 

I don't know if that makes sense?

 

 

 

No worries, I brought it up initially :/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

first off, I am here (barely) and can only apologise for my extremely sketchy presence. Work has been busier than expected. Project is going to technical review today so should be as normal next week and I'll be able to read through properly over the weekend and hopefully stop being useless :/

 

At the moment I'm currently at

 

Shad

Zander

Thane

 

Yates

Dice

 

Nomi?

Sili?

Cory?

Sooh?

Clov?

Tabor?

 

Hallia?

Pral?

Lenlo?

Rack?

 

Generally feeling pretty good about the group up to Dice. I feel good about Nomi and Sili but need to read through again. Cory, Sooh, Clov and Tabor are mixed, I've felt good about them for chunks of the thread and kind of shook my head at others. Thread consensus is affecting my opinions too much on the bottom group at the moment which I don't feel great about, but is what I have.

 

Hallia was higher due to her early response to Laine, but I don't get her vote on Pral or reasons for the turn around. From a technical perspective I don't think I've ever seen a game where Day 1 isn't the longest, sure the fluff: content ratio decreases but the volume of posting drops. From a game perspective I don't understand why she finds it scummy or why this is what she chooses to vote on, I know later she says its fir pressure but what pressure is there from this argument.

 

Pral is different so far, I don't know if its actually scummy yet. I don't like the fact that he had to be asked to explain the positioning in his list of people outside Cory/Zander but pretty sure Mafia!Pral would know that he'd catch flak for it, so its odd more than anything else. I don't remember Pral being so reticent with trades as either alignment.

 

I tried ISOig Lenlo and Rack but all it proved was how bad my thread recall is. I think at the moment they're only in my bottom group because of thread consensus and that bothers me. I'll try to get on at lunch to explain the rest of the 'reads'.

 

Right now I feel worst about Hallia, but given my lack of thread recall I can't put much stock in any of my thoughts at the moment.

 

 

This list looks ~okay, I guess.  If you move Cory up a bunch and replace my name with hers, it's actually incredibly close.  My major complaint with it is that it's just so cookie cutter, and we're 1,600 posts in...and she really didn't help get anybody where they are, if that makes sense.  I would guess that MOST players lists have most of the bottom eight around there in some fashion, but she obviously hasn't contributed anything to get the solve where its at.

 

Work...I fully believe that she's busy with that (bloody biostrat!).  She's not going to lie about it as town, and she's not going to sit there refusing to say anything as mafia and then chalk it up to work.  I will put 100% confidence in that statement.  The problem is similar to what Cory said to Pral - being busy at work doesn't preclude her from randing mafia.  

 

 

 

@BFG - I'm trying very hard to not conclude you're mafia, just on the fact that I know you hate rolling it and you haven't been clear town this game.  Combined with the fact you were considerably more active in the VS game, I have some concerns.  I'm not going to lie about it.  So please, please elaborate on this so I can figure you out better.  Because even though your conclusions look pretty decent, it seems more like the perpetual catch-up from TUS than the wrecking lives from HP. I would love to hear your concerns about Cory and me, specifically, but just give me something to work with? 

 

/meh I know that people are going to have issues with my activity this game, there's nothing I can do about that except play as I can from now on. In the VS game I had ~220 posts in a week and a half, 200+ of them were before last week (and if anyone tries to say I wasn't invested in that game I will hunt them done) (Brian was complaining I was absent the last few days ).

 

I also know that my list is consensus, I said it was when I wrote it, I've skimmed the thread once and remember very little of it, so my strong opinions are going to have to wait till after I've reread.

 

The 'concerns' I have with you and Cory essentially stem from not seeing anything that you couldn't post as mafia and enough individual posts that give me pause. I'll post what I remember but none of it's worth much at this point.

 

 

 

(This isn't fact checked, this is what I remembered as I was writing the list)

 

Your reaction to my initial post has me 'rustled' and I'm 50 50 on whether it's paranoid Town! Clov or Mafia! Clov trying to 'rustle' me

 

 

<3

 

 

 

There were some posts that you made towards Cory that reminded me in tone to those you made to Cory in US. There was a post where you were possibly linking Rack and Sooh/Hallia? I think you were saying Cory had voted Rack taking it to 4 trains that were equal,a and they had unvoted and revoted 2 people that weren't any of the 4 trains you mentioned (this may be misremembered, but it read oddly at the time and I need to check the thread around that comment). Your response to Sooh about low posters, seemed overly aggressive(?) and 'dense', it was obvious what Sooh was referring to.

 

 

 

I know that Cory ramps up towards end of days, but so far he isn't as invested (as say Ragnarok) (I also know I misread him for this in Hoc for 2 game days reading along). He gave an early town read on Zander?, Shad? but most of his early posts seemed (really not sure of the word I'm looking for here) 'not town hunting'? He asked why people were town reading Pral for a couple of posts, town reading you for a couple of posts that you could make as either alignment, and it's not that Cory is wrong, but it jarred somehow. I remember far more 'casting shade' on people than clearing people from the early game. I don't remember him being massively forthcoming about his town reads and why (but that could literally be because I've forgotten or missed those posts). He was pushing Sooh and Hallia early for absence but left me alone and I don't know why. There was something about his interaction with Hallia that seemed off, but I think that stemmed from Hallia.

 

 

 

Writing this is interesting, essentially I think your general approach has been good, bit there are individual posts that seem 'off', whereas I'm not following Cory's general approach this game but there are individual posts that I really 'like'

 

Essentially I need to read the thread again, which I will do after I've found Shad's post, and look at some other games.

 

 

i missed this though.

 

...reevaluating... stand by

[Sili Quirrels]

rand town status approved bfg.

[BFG]

Wrong, I have nothing to say because I have bad thread recall at this point /shrug

[BFG]

Lol ninja

[BFG]

rand town status approved bfg.

Why?