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perhaps i should post the people i really do not wish to lynch at this point in the game:

 

in no particular order:

 

Corylanna
Clov
Lenlo
Sili
Shad
Yates

 

 

If rack flips wolf, i'll be looking into all other players on my list. It also depends on who survives the night as town. Should Rack flip town, however, a lot of players, including me, need to re-asses.

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  On 10/30/2015 at 5:46 AM, Hallia said:

That would be as in LA

 

Thanks Halli!

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 6:01 AM, Nolder said:

 

  On 10/30/2015 at 5:43 AM, dicetosser1 said:

nolder is that PST as in LA? or pacific?

You know what? I'm sorry. I saw you ask for a countdown timer and I completely forgot man. I meant to put one in but it just slipped my mind.

I'll make sure to do it for Day 2 and onward.

 

And yes PST as in Los Angeles. I believe deadline is in....16 hours from right now when I post this.

 

 

Thanks Nol

 

 

 

can someone better then me at searching out timezones tell me what time DL is for Sydney? I looked it up and got 5am but  16 hrs from nols post here is a different time so i think i screwed up.

Posted

Okay, I'll reply quicker now that I see someone's here.

 

Off the cuff answer will be different from my answer after further study, in Taborline's case. Taborline is still in that vague unresolved area before I make my first real stab at a guess on alignment. Hallia felt good, but it isn't a settled opinion. It's not in the realm of strength I got from other reads.

 

People you don't lynch today include Sili, Zander, Corlanna, Dice, yourself.

 

Why not Dice, is based purely on my slight town read of you, Thane. You are the reason I stopped pushing there and I am trusting you to handle Dice's resolution going forward.

 

I understood his skepticism regarding my unvote. I wouldn't have unvoted me either. If he's town, he will figure out why I did it.

Posted

You still want whys. It's going to include some recycled thoughts, I did make my feelings especially on Zander and Sili and Cory Alanna clear.

 

They could be reiterated, rephrased, and more citations could be used. I'm still catching up, let me know what interests you the most.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 4:06 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:37 PM, Taborline said:

As if they were randed town, they'd just come out and said "BTW, since I'm town, you can all know I'm Darthe" or something.

My first post in my first game I said something to the effect of "I was going to play stupid but since I landed town you can all know I did some research and observed a game before signing up."  I was scum read for it all game.  :rolleyes:

 

But honestly as much as I am sussing you I think it's correct to look at people's reactions to the lack of disclosure.  I hope it doesn't come off as a grey area irt limits on Nomi.  People reacted and I'm not going to throw out their content regarding this subject; I'm just not going to question Nomi on it per Nolder's request.

 

 

During the re-read I noticed this post.

 

I *believe* the game host is simply attempting to put to bed any lingering issues regarding the rules of the board, and in particular the integrity of mafia games, so folks don't have to speculate consciously or unconsciously about such a thing. From a person who is using a pseudonym, such an instinct is not baseless and no one is a bad person for thinking about the possibility. I do not believe the game host is making up a rule on the spot, merely asking people to let that part of the question drop. My alignment, my personality, all that is game related, indeed, I think you can ask me anything you want, think whatever you want, assume whatever you wish- For the sake of the game, just know you can ask the questions you want to ask. My compliance/content or silence afterward are your answers. You don't have to walk on eggshells around me or my slot, from where I sit, I think the game host is only asking that the legitimate nature of my playing this game is assumed going forward.

 

It's my business if I don't want to answer, and I'll answer for it with my life if need be. But no burden should come to those who wish to pose the question.

Posted

Still catching up. Hammer hasn't happened yet, Thane, let me pose you a question merely because you're here.

 

Do you think Rack is the best candidate today, or merely the most convenient at the present vote count?

 

Who are your dream candidates for a reversal or "fire drill"?

Posted

Rack has rustled a lot, so he's a good candidate. Seeing Rack has had a lot of attention by a lot of people, it wouldn't be a bad guess for D1. Checking how seperate players handled hil will be interesting after a flip. 

 

For a CFD, any of my wtl list would be alright. I wouldn't go for low posters at this point, simply because their postcount is bad compared to others, though.

 

However, i doubt that there will be a CFD at this point. It's more likely that Rack will be hammered today. Who will do it, and who will stay off the train, will be interesting to look into as well. 

Posted

This is what I'm looking at.

 

If I'm wolf Rackcitysteelers and there's a town Nomi Sunrider who has questioned my alignment, threatened to vote me, and didn't do it, and has unvoted his main suspect (Dice) and then not followed up by voting for me, who also has votes, and instead, asks me a non-threatening question...

 

I sense a weakness, an opportunity to attack, a path to victory.

 

My unvote of Dice had a lot to do with creating that exact situation.

 

I want to talk about Rack and his reaction to that. There are a lot of movements missing that you will expect from a wolf Rack.

 

No claim,

No push onto Nomi Sunrider,

No alternate theories as to who the scums are, really. Just suspected Zander, and realized he made an error in his thoughts, and unvoted Zander.

 

Now, if he's a brand newbie scum, I'd call it choking under pressure. But he's probably not, assuming meta data I don't have but am getting second hand from this thread and the signup sheet.

 

I think he has a duty to his scum team to do something there, anything but what he did do.

Posted

And to be clear, a town Rack *often* will do any of those things too.

 

And, since my own alignment is still in question, it's not as useful data to the rest of you as it is to me.

 

Scum rack should have tried to survive there, and I was low hanging fruit.

Posted
  On 10/29/2015 at 1:33 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 11:06 AM, Nomi Sunrider said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 4:45 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

I get why people might find that scummy or whatever but I just misremembered some facts. Think what you will but I'm town and it was just a mistake.

Sounds like a situation where no matter what you did there, you wouldn't have gotten out of it without attracting more suspicion.

 

Had you left your vote on Zander without comment, while he became consensus townie, it would look bad.

 

If you tried to push him even further, due to votes on you, it would look like panic.

 

If you unvote him, it also looks bad because of what cory said.

 

What's the solution? How do you win today?

 

Edit- Thinking past that decision, I mean. Zander is unvoted, now, what's the next move?

 

 

Agreed. I just wasn't going to continue pushing him once I realized I had gotten the facts wrong. As for now, I don't really have strong feelings on many people one way or another, whether it's because I just can't get a good read on them or because their posts just kind of blend in to me. Later I'm going to try to go back and reread on some of the people I'm slightly suspicious of and see if anything stands out to me. It's tough though because mafia on this forum seems to be entirely meta-based and a) I don't know anyone's meta here really and b) I never really relied on metas even before so I'm kinda at a disadvantage in terms of scum hunting.

 

 

Here. Link back to this.

 

I know if I'm scum this is completely bleeping meaningless.

 

In the universe where I am town, which happens to be the universe we're in, this post is meaningful to me to determine his alignment.

 

He's also low-hanging fruit if he's town.

 

If he's scum I think he does something here.

 

I don't believe in too late, and I don't believe in lynching townies simply because they're unhelpful.

 

Solving me is a lot easier than solving Rack here, at least I'm putting myself out there. Rack is harder to guess.

 

But if I am to guess, there's a lot of scum motivation missing from his response to my unvote of Dice.

Posted

first off, I am here (barely) and can only apologise for my extremely sketchy presence. Work has been busier than expected. Project is going to technical review today so should be as normal next week and I'll be able to read through properly over the weekend and hopefully stop being useless :/

 

At the moment I'm currently at

 

Shad

Zander

Thane

 

Yates

Dice

 

Nomi?

Sili?

 

Cory?

Sooh?

Clov?

Tabor?

 

Hallia?

Pral?

Lenlo?

Rack?

 

Generally feeling pretty good about the group up to Dice. I feel good about Nomi and Sili but need to read through again. Cory, Sooh, Clov and Tabor are mixed, I've felt good about them for chunks of the thread and kind of shook my head at others. Thread consensus is affecting my opinions too much on the bottom group at the moment which I don't feel great about, but is what I have.

 

Hallia was higher due to her early response to Laine, but I don't get her vote on Pral or reasons for the turn around. From a technical perspective I don't think I've ever seen a game where Day 1 isn't the longest, sure the fluff: content ratio decreases but the volume of posting drops. From a game perspective I don't understand why she finds it scummy or why this is what she chooses to vote on, I know later she says its fir pressure but what pressure is there from this argument.

 

Pral is different so far, I don't know if its actually scummy yet. I don't like the fact that he had to be asked to explain the positioning in his list of people outside Cory/Zander but pretty sure Mafia!Pral would know that he'd catch flak for it, so its odd more than anything else. I don't remember Pral being so reticent with trades as either alignment.

 

I tried ISOig Lenlo and Rack but all it proved was how bad my thread recall is. I think at the moment they're only in my bottom group because of thread consensus and that bothers me. I'll try to get on at lunch to explain the rest of the 'reads'.

 

Right now I feel worst about Hallia, but given my lack of thread recall I can't put much stock in any of my thoughts at the moment.

Posted

"Unhelpful" so far, I mean. I'm not writing him off simply because his day one looks like a lot of low-poster low-content players' day ones look like. Maybe he'll be helpful down the road.

 

Do we want to lynch a scum today or not, and if so, is that person Rack?

 

If we want to lynch a scum, we want to lynch someone who has demonstrated motivation and more interest in the outcome, in my opinion. That's the harder option but maybe the correct one.

 

I suggest reverse and re-think.

Posted
  On 10/29/2015 at 10:39 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 8:17 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:13 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Yes but I don't remember if I learned anythingI remember your post about BFG and it being what you'd do or somethingShould I look again? Am I missing something

Her initial post to me was a reference to a conversation she and I had in pm about a week ago (how we never had a good town/town game).It was perfectly within the rules to bring up, but kinda ehhh to me. Which is why I said I'd totally do it ldo

 

You can start talking to me now instead of about me? (same for Cory)
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What do you mean by ehhh?Also TQ?

 

First of all, I want you to know how proud of you I am. You did great. <3

 

Ehhh... I don't know. I just saw the post and knew instantly what you meant, and it just felt.. Cheap? I don't really know how to explain it. Almost like you were trying to get a town read for nothing.

 

TQ - Town queen :p

 

<3 I didn't do much

 

:mellow: That was only ever meant as banter and I'm a little surprised you take it as anything else given I'm not actually going to town read you (without mod confirmation) 4 posts into the game and I don't think I'm the sort of player to use 'cheap' tricks. I guess I'm surprised this was your first reaction :/

 

:)

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 10:42 AM, Clovdyx said:

How confident are you about dice, BFG?

I'm not ready to hang the game on it yet, but pretty good.

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