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Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Should be all mentions of and interactions with our known scum.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Does it make any sense for town!Yates to, knowing Clov was town, openly sheep him to do a complete flip on his stances on Lenlo and Cory?

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Page 4 - Sili goes crazy. Hes kinda spamming the thread here, most of it is pointless. Why?

Thane has 2 posts. Nothing of content in them. Checks in then checks out

Rack hasnt actually contributed at all. Hes just pushed something with no reason and then let Sili do all the work. atleast in terms of my train. He did alittle bit of poking at Zander but nothing serious. I feel like he might be pushing me early as a reaction train? Like see what people do, who jumps on a quick bandwagon, how I defend myself. Just get some overall reactions. Seeing how he plays it out will be interesting and telling imo.

Zander posted a good amount, but mostly just light hearted stuff. I want MEAT. Quick to jump on me, and stay on me I might add, when I vote Corlanna jokingly.

Clov disagrees with Rack on Zander, but thinks hes town. Also engages Sili abit. Hes not afraid to confront people

Lots of inactives this game. We have to be careful about people pushing them for weak reasons, as I think that would be an easy for the scum to rack up some easy days/kills.

Cory not saying anything meaningful, votes Sooh. Cmon Coreh. Help me out here.

Hallia soft defends me for no reason. Its not major but something worth noting imo.

Sooh pokes at Sili, doesnt back it with a vote. I dunno why but I kinda feel like she is testing the waters for a Sili push. Have nothing to back this up atm sadly.

Dice gettin friendly with Sooh.

Yates comes in guns blazing. I noticed Sili is questionable of it, but I like it.

Sili, lots of votes, lots of posts, moderate amount of content imo. Got into it with Yates. Gets pissy at me when I dismiss his and Racks push on me because it has nothing to it. I asked if he was drunk. Apparently this was stupid. Im still amused by it. After I respond to him though, he finally posts a good meaningful, more than 1 line post. I liked it.

Tab posts. Says nothing.

Shad is playin. I cant really get a read on him for some reason, but hes posting content so... yay? I wanna like him but I feel like I need something more, so I can make sure its not just me liking him cause he defended me/chatted with me.

Nomi. Votes Yates jokingly, even though Sili has been going at him. Odd?

I had quotes, but it kinda went up in flames cause DM. I have work I need to do tonight, so im just gonna post my notepad thoughts that came up as I was reading. Heres my current list.

(In not particular order)

Town:

Clov

Yates

~~Lenlo~~

Null to Town:

Rack

Shad

Sili

Null:

Hallia

Parlaya

Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

Taborline

Dice

BFG

Nomi

Null to Scum:

Thane

Zander

Sooh

Scum:

[v]Sooh[/v]

I wanna see how this goes, and maybe shed some light on Dice and Sili in the process.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

I didn't get the issue with Lenlo but then this post:

Also Sili, whats up? You drunk or something? Your posts are all over the place tonight.

was terrible in the wake of Dice's, and Sili nailed why. It kind of dropped me from thinking he'd resolved the situation well to needing to see more.

Sooh pokes at Sili, doesnt back it with a vote. I dunno why but I kinda feel like she is testing the waters for a Sili push. Have nothing to back this up atm sadly.

This is the spew I was talking about irt Sili as town back on D2 when you were all dumb and didn't sheep me:

Second one seemed like TMI--accusing Sooh of "testing the waters for a Sili push" takes it for granted that Sili is town.

Sili Quirrels · November 7, 2015

Does it make any sense for town!Yates to, knowing Clov was town, openly sheep him to do a complete flip on his stances on Lenlo and Cory?

no.

Sili Quirrels · November 7, 2015

only maybe kind of... if he had a strong scumread of clov before the flip, but even then i'd question the 180, as I did.

I feel like yates' position might be a predicated on an amalgamation of elements, which might explain why Yates did a 180... or not.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Whats wrong with it? I was pokin fun, cause things were gettin misspelled. If thats a sore spot I didnt know about for some reason, im sorry.

Basically in #175 you correctly noted that there were no real accusations against you worth responding to. Trap laid, bait not taken, you progressed out of the situation smoothly instead of bulking at weakly-conceived pressure. Then in #176 you piggie-backed Dice's negative comment irt Sili and nullified what you just accomplished. Left me wondering if you were nervous after all and felt the need to remind us of the notion that Sili was performing sub-par.

Oh I get what your saying. I just meant it as a playful jab, but I can understand how you got to the conclusion you did, since there wasnt anything in it to make it clear I was simply poking fun rather than trying to discredit him.

This was the rest of the first convo

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Oh derp, now I remember why Yates is scum.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Lenlo hasn't played in forever. Do you really think that 1x Doc claim wasn't coached?

Hallia · November 7, 2015

He likes claiming when scum, I wouldn't say coaching.

Sili Quirrels · November 7, 2015

you have more thoughts than that hallia?

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Same with Hallia:

Rack, wait til you get to know him.
Wait, whats this supposed to mean Hally?

It means that you get scum read easily, and lynched a lot ( like me ; . ; )

I'm with Sili
Oh? You and Sili are teamed up as scum?

Nope, not like you and Lenlo

i cant tell if youre serious or not

I think he is.

Page 4 - Sili goes crazy. Hes kinda spamming the thread here, most of it is pointless. Why?

Thane has 2 posts. Nothing of content in them. Checks in then checks out

Rack hasnt actually contributed at all. Hes just pushed something with no reason and then let Sili do all the work. atleast in terms of my train. He did alittle bit of poking at Zander but nothing serious. I feel like he might be pushing me early as a reaction train? Like see what people do, who jumps on a quick bandwagon, how I defend myself. Just get some overall reactions. Seeing how he plays it out will be interesting and telling imo.

Zander posted a good amount, but mostly just light hearted stuff. I want MEAT. Quick to jump on me, and stay on me I might add, when I vote Corlanna jokingly.

Clov disagrees with Rack on Zander, but thinks hes town. Also engages Sili abit. Hes not afraid to confront people

Lots of inactives this game. We have to be careful about people pushing them for weak reasons, as I think that would be an easy for the scum to rack up some easy days/kills.

Cory not saying anything meaningful, votes Sooh. Cmon Coreh. Help me out here.

Hallia soft defends me for no reason. Its not major but something worth noting imo.

Sooh pokes at Sili, doesnt back it with a vote. I dunno why but I kinda feel like she is testing the waters for a Sili push. Have nothing to back this up atm sadly.

Dice gettin friendly with Sooh.

Yates comes in guns blazing. I noticed Sili is questionable of it, but I like it.

Sili, lots of votes, lots of posts, moderate amount of content imo. Got into it with Yates. Gets pissy at me when I dismiss his and Racks push on me because it has nothing to it. I asked if he was drunk. Apparently this was stupid. Im still amused by it. After I respond to him though, he finally posts a good meaningful, more than 1 line post. I liked it.

Tab posts. Says nothing.

Shad is playin. I cant really get a read on him for some reason, but hes posting content so... yay? I wanna like him but I feel like I need something more, so I can make sure its not just me liking him cause he defended me/chatted with me.

Nomi. Votes Yates jokingly, even though Sili has been going at him. Odd?

I had quotes, but it kinda went up in flames cause DM. I have work I need to do tonight, so im just gonna post my notepad thoughts that came up as I was reading. Heres my current list.

(In not particular order)

Town:

Clov

Yates

Lenlo

Null to Town:

Rack

Shad

Sili

Null:

Hallia

Parlaya

Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

Taborline

Dice

BFG

Nomi

Null to Scum:

Thane

Zander

Sooh

Scum:

[v]Sooh[/v]

I wanna see how this goes, and maybe shed some light on Dice and Sili in the process.

I don't dislike this list, aside from Rack being so high, and Zander being so low.

Hallia: stepped up for Lenlo, most obvious of all players. It strikes me as odd at that point in the game.
I explained it a bit, perhaps I should've elaborated. I have seen Len misread a lot, and someone from outside of the normal crowd was going at him. Of course I'm going to if I feel like he's being townish.

I like Thane's game so far as well. He can be added to my townpile along with Lenlo, Yates, Clov, Pral for the moment. Zander was up there but the spamming is kinda...I know he does it as either alignment, but there comes a point when it's very distracting.

Also my response to Rack regarding Lenlo was not fluff, or a joke.

Wolves are Zander, and if Sooh flips scum like I suspect you. If Sooh doesnt flip scum I would have to say maybe BFG and Dice? I havnt thought that much about if Sooh flips town atm because if she does im not lasting long this game.

For Town I wanna say Clov, Yates though I could easily be biased there cause of his defense of me. Shad and Sili are up there to.

In the middle are Hallia and Tab. If you flip scum, id say Hallia is town. If you flip town then Hallia is probably scum because I dont remember a game where you were both town and this kinda attitude between you two ever happened.

But it's never this easy Shad.

I don't hate this list. I'm on the fence about Zander atm.

Lenlos list.

I think the chances of a doc and a bg are low.

[v] Lenlo [/v]

Hallia · November 7, 2015

Oh yeah, early on I will def. say that I thought Len was town. Glad to say I was wrong on that, and came around in the end. I could see Yates being scum this game, Sili.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

..... bye Clov, see you in DT.

people, calm down.... Lenlo is being run up here imo. With 4 wolves still in the game, highly possible. One needs two or three wolves to start the train ,get town to doubt and boom, one more townie down.

I can be wrong about Len, i know. And that'd be bad.

I'll still [v] Hallia [/v]

That hammer and her explanation after.... nope. nope nope nope.

This post really bothers me.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

But it does tell me Thane and Hallia are not w/w.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Generally I don't think players who peeled off Lenlo onto Hallia today can be scum mates with her, because she was a realistic possibility to go down and as non-GF Rack was never not getting lynched eventually.

So either she's town or they all are. Gotta look at who actually did that.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Hallia train could even be TMI, like why was her hammer bad BEFORE we knew Lenlo was scum?

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

I mean really if Lenlo and Sooh were v/v would her hammer have indicated anything at all alignment-wise?

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

And that's not a lightbulb moment--it was kind of apparent to me at the time.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Weird to go "AHA HALLIA HAMMERED SOOH TO SAVE SCUM!LENLO" while simultaneously treating Lenlo as null and not wanting to touch him D3.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

I might do an about face on my read and lynch Thane tbh.

Like I guess Hallia vote is ok under certain circumstances but any decent town should preface it with "I think her flipping scum would resolve both slots and it's safer than lynching a doc claim" because that's the only legitimate place your head could be at for hating her hammer.

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Unless town just aren't thinking at all, which kind of seemed to be the case today. POE should not be this large. Play better.

Yates · November 7, 2015

So I'm cool with letting it ride on Thane, Lenlo, Corlanna, Clov, Sili, and Shad as Town. At most I'm wrong about one in this group.

You're trying to use this to paint me as scum. I say I'm just prescient. :thumbsup:

When you read through my ISO, try to pretend I didn't know Lenlo's alignment. Because, you know, I didn't. Then when you read through Lenlo's ISO, pretend he knew I was Town. Because, you know, he did.

Yates · November 7, 2015

Does it make any sense for scum!Yates to, knowing Clov was town, openly sheep him to do a complete flip on his stances on Lenlo and Cory?

ftfy

Shad_ · November 7, 2015

Up until this point I was feeling pretty good with going for Lenlo. I dislike his pushing on Zander, the paranoia about Zan being fooling us all, and I dislike that interaction above with Dice, but that might be MY paranoia at the thought of letting him off for the claim.

But I really dislike this.

so, yeah.... not feeling the 'let's lynch the doc' vibe here....

even if the chance is slim, there's still a chance he is telling the truth.

i'll throw it on an entirely different angle here, and will ...

[v] Taborline [/v]

more chances of finding a wolf here than with Lenlo IMO.

talks a lot, says little, leaves remarks left and right without explaining.... just a tag along wolf, hoping to be ignored till endgame

I'm not bothered about you voting for me, but a bit bothered by the accusation I talk a lot But why am I better candidate as a tag along wolf? That says to me that it's not real evidence, just a hunch, or a hope. Why not push ME more, engage me, or bring real stuff up against me?

so, i'll be trying to be in here today. Don't know if i can, considering work.

Seemingly i make comments that make people frown and question. It's what i do. I ask odd questions, because i need answers. I comment because i want other players to know what i think.

Honestly, i still think the Lenlo lynch is a bad idea.... testing the PR claim by lynching.... imo... not the best of ideas.

Taborline is a decent target, hence the vote. Hallia is down there too. And both of these players are suspects by other players too. Would be nice to lynch one of these two.

Thane, would you lynch me?

Not right now, seeing I have scummier reads on other players. But if I'd not be convinced of you being town later in the game, then yes.

I think you both know Lenlo's not a wolf.

I don't like Sooh's vote on Len, being "Blown away" by Shad's post, it's a convenient time and a good excuse to take for putting her vote there. Wolf Team puts one of their chips on Lenlo, knowing Lenlo is likely to go today. Thane looks good, however, trying to steer away from Lenlo, knowing he's town. Thane liking lynching me over lynching Sooh at that point (or Dice or Hally even), and lynching me for what I think is a weak reason, is odd to me, when it seems other people have more immediate evidence to go on. Your vote for Sooh still seems to hedge your bets:

Just that everybody should keep an eye on her. Not convinced she's town here, even considering the latest posts. Talks a lot, says little imo.

Don't lynch Lenlo. Claim buys him time, for now.

unvote

Vote: Sooh

[v]Sooh[/v]

This should be correct:

Votecount

Lenlo - Zander, Dice, Sooh, Sili, Shad (5)

Sooh - Lenlo, Clov, Corlanna, Yates, Thane, Taborline (6)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday 8PM PST.

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