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  On 11/3/2015 at 5:44 PM, Shad_ said:

I was a role cop.

Blech.

 

I'm going to try to come at this from an unbiased perspective - since I haven't been scum reading you - but I don't recall the last time I saw a Town aligned role cop.

 

If Town:

Role cop would return "godfather" on godfather and "vanilla" on goons. So extremely limited in utility.

It would also suggest there is some kind of overlap between Town roles and Scum roles. Can only verify a vig claim, for example, but not alignment. So again, extremely limited in utility.

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  On 11/3/2015 at 8:57 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:44 PM, Shad_ said:

I was a role cop.

Blech.

 

I'm going to try to come at this from an unbiased perspective - since I haven't been scum reading you - but I don't recall the last time I saw a Town aligned role cop.

 

If Town:

Role cop would return "godfather" on godfather and "vanilla" on goons. So extremely limited in utility.

It would also suggest there is some kind of overlap between Town roles and Scum roles. Can only verify a vig claim, for example, but not alignment. So again, extremely limited in utility.

 

 

I actually got a vanilla town response, which I wasn't expecting at all.  I don't know if that would have been the case if Nomi hadn't been a revealed flip anyway or if I'd have just been told vanilla, and I don't really care since it's spent now regardless.  But I disagree on utility.  If Rack had survived yesterday I could have confirmed him town over night.  If I hadn't burnt it yesterday I could confirm if Lenlo is lying N2.  So I've already ran into two practical applications for it.

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  On 11/2/2015 at 8:47 PM, BFG said:

Why? You've been addressing Lenlo as a suspect all night

Should I be bothered since Clov already said this and it's not the most obvious conclusion to jump to (though it's a reasonable one)? Eh, probably not.

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  On 11/3/2015 at 7:35 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 1/2/1970 at 4:09 PM, Lenlo said:

Obnoxious*

Lenlo emotionally tilted by zanders boast. Town tend not to be offended as easily.
This is a horrible point. Alignment doesn't have anything to do with someone's personal involvement in the game.

 

Maybe his arrogance bugged me cause he was hounding me for the past week with very little to go off of, he was wrong, and yet people still praise him like the second coming.

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so, yeah.... not feeling the 'let's lynch the doc' vibe here....

 

even if the chance is slim, there's still a chance he is telling the truth.

 

i'll throw it on an entirely different angle here, and will ...

 

[v] Taborline [/v]

 

more chances of finding a wolf here than with Lenlo IMO.

 

talks a lot, says little, leaves remarks left and right without explaining.... just a tag along wolf, hoping to be ignored till endgame

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I'm not sure if I believe the claim...Cory's point about possibly hinting/claiming D1 isn't one I necessarily disagree with.  But I understand his reasoning for his choice (and agree with it), and he didn't take too much time to answer him.  Not saying he couldn't do that as mafia, but there wasn't much time between his original claim, Cory's question, and the follow up answer.  If he's lying, he had it prepared.

 

I'm not going to say what I was "looking for" at this point.  

Posted
  On 11/3/2015 at 5:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Shad: claim is plausible, but 1x cop and 1x doc only? Game would be unbalanced some from my point of view. But, like i said before, it's not the moment for other PR's to claim. When the time comes, we'll see how things play out.  

 

This post is making me re-think Thane hard.  I've felt good about him most of the game just because I have a hard time imagining he'd produce those notes as mafia and have mostly liked what he said, but it kind of reeks of TMI to me.

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  On 11/3/2015 at 9:30 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Shad: claim is plausible, but 1x cop and 1x doc only? Game would be unbalanced some from my point of view. But, like i said before, it's not the moment for other PR's to claim. When the time comes, we'll see how things play out.  

 

This post is making me re-think Thane hard.  I've felt good about him most of the game just because I have a hard time imagining he'd produce those notes as mafia and have mostly liked what he said, but it kind of reeks of TMI to me.

 

I honestly expect another town PR to be in the game besides these two. But claiming now would basically be suicide for that player, Clov.  We have a possibly outed doc already.

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  On 11/3/2015 at 9:30 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Shad: claim is plausible, but 1x cop and 1x doc only? Game would be unbalanced some from my point of view. But, like i said before, it's not the moment for other PR's to claim. When the time comes, we'll see how things play out.

 

This post is making me re-think Thane hard.  I've felt good about him most of the game just because I have a hard time imagining he'd produce those notes as mafia and have mostly liked what he said, but it kind of reeks of TMI to me.

 

Interesting catch. But without checking I'm pretty sure Thane says "from my point of view" pretty often to just mean "in my opinion".  Does that impact your thoughts here?

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  On 11/3/2015 at 9:41 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 9:30 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Shad: claim is plausible, but 1x cop and 1x doc only? Game would be unbalanced some from my point of view. But, like i said before, it's not the moment for other PR's to claim. When the time comes, we'll see how things play out.

 

This post is making me re-think Thane hard.  I've felt good about him most of the game just because I have a hard time imagining he'd produce those notes as mafia and have mostly liked what he said, but it kind of reeks of TMI to me.

 

Interesting catch. But without checking I'm pretty sure Thane says "from my point of view" pretty often to just mean "in my opinion".  Does that impact your thoughts here?

 

bolded: exactly. *hands cookie*

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  On 11/3/2015 at 9:35 PM, Lenlo said:

Sili please, you said offended. Is there a way to getoffended impersonally?

Perhaps u shld start by not overreacting and misrepresenting or not reading what i said.

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  On 11/3/2015 at 8:57 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:44 PM, Shad_ said:

I was a role cop.

Blech.

 

I'm going to try to come at this from an unbiased perspective - since I haven't been scum reading you - but I don't recall the last time I saw a Town aligned role cop.

 

If Town:

Role cop would return "godfather" on godfather and "vanilla" on goons. So extremely limited in utility.

It would also suggest there is some kind of overlap between Town roles and Scum roles. Can only verify a vig claim, for example, but not alignment. So again, extremely limited in utility.

 

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 9:09 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 8:57 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:44 PM, Shad_ said:

I was a role cop.

Blech.

 

I'm going to try to come at this from an unbiased perspective - since I haven't been scum reading you - but I don't recall the last time I saw a Town aligned role cop.

 

If Town:

Role cop would return "godfather" on godfather and "vanilla" on goons. So extremely limited in utility.

It would also suggest there is some kind of overlap between Town roles and Scum roles. Can only verify a vig claim, for example, but not alignment. So again, extremely limited in utility.

 

 

I actually got a vanilla town response, which I wasn't expecting at all.  I don't know if that would have been the case if Nomi hadn't been a revealed flip anyway or if I'd have just been told vanilla, and I don't really care since it's spent now regardless.  But I disagree on utility.  If Rack had survived yesterday I could have confirmed him town over night.  If I hadn't burnt it yesterday I could confirm if Lenlo is lying N2.  So I've already ran into two practical applications for it.

 

 

I was hoping we could avoid this discussion after the claim, but since it's already out there, I'm going to semi-back and semi-refute what Yates said; don't remember the last time I saw a town-aligned role cop on Dragonmount.  I've seen it multiple times on WF, and I'm reasonably confident I've seen it as a town role on Jetsnation (where Nolder sometimes plays).  

 

Yates' point about having limited utility is true, I guess, if you're comparing it to a standard cop (since town is more concerned with catching ANY mafia than scum PR hunting) or the mafia variant (since a PR nk is much more desirable than a vanilla).  I'm not going to say there wouldn't be one, though, because there's plenty of applications for it - like Shad said, he could easily have used it to verify a PR claim.

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  On 11/3/2015 at 9:37 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 9:30 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Shad: claim is plausible, but 1x cop and 1x doc only? Game would be unbalanced some from my point of view. But, like i said before, it's not the moment for other PR's to claim. When the time comes, we'll see how things play out.  

 

This post is making me re-think Thane hard.  I've felt good about him most of the game just because I have a hard time imagining he'd produce those notes as mafia and have mostly liked what he said, but it kind of reeks of TMI to me.

 

I honestly expect another town PR to be in the game besides these two. But claiming now would basically be suicide for that player, Clov.  We have a possibly outed doc already.

 

 

Well, I'm not inclined to disagree with you?  We know there was something besides two claimed one-shots, since Rack was a power role.  I don't care to discuss THIS issue any further.

 

That literally has nothing to do with my thoughts, though.

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 9:41 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 9:30 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 5:42 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Shad: claim is plausible, but 1x cop and 1x doc only? Game would be unbalanced some from my point of view. But, like i said before, it's not the moment for other PR's to claim. When the time comes, we'll see how things play out.

 

This post is making me re-think Thane hard.  I've felt good about him most of the game just because I have a hard time imagining he'd produce those notes as mafia and have mostly liked what he said, but it kind of reeks of TMI to me.

 

Interesting catch. But without checking I'm pretty sure Thane says "from my point of view" pretty often to just mean "in my opinion".  Does that impact your thoughts here?

 

 

Not really.  If mafia is four goons, I'd say they're probably underpowered.  If it's five power roles, he's absolutely right.  My issue is I don't know how anybody can really have an opinion one way or another, unless they know more about the set up.

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  On 11/3/2015 at 8:48 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 8:37 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 8:29 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Like if u r v cory and i tunneled u i think the wolves wld apppreciate not hate me.

 

Who was Lenlo mad at besides Zander

 

 

I'm missing what you are saying, can you rephrase?

Dunno.my pnt is minor and simple. Len took z's arrogance personally and im having trouble seeing why.

 

  On 11/3/2015 at 9:27 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

When have i ever said personal involvement in the game specifically.

 

[v]lenlo[/v]

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I will say, I fully believe that Thane could make that post as town and not really consider the implications.  If it was somebody more analytical (rather than intuitive), I might advocate for kill-on-sight.  Still, it lowers my confidence in him.

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  On 11/2/2015 at 9:40 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 11/2/2015 at 4:44 AM, Shad_ said:

Honestly this post

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

makes me feel pretty comfortable calling you town, because I grasp your thought process and scum!Hallia doesn't have one.

 

 

Is this in regards to her thought process on Cory or on Pral?  I don't see anything remotely good about her thought process there - the game, in fact, DOES reduce on D2 onwards because there's less people talking...and even if it didn't, how is that point worth voting him for?  

 

Several of the things Hallia's done this game seemed far more likely to come from her as town than mafia.  I highlighted earlier why I was extremely confident early on she was town.  But that vote - and the reasoning - are not good at all IMO

 

 

Gotta dig back in my head a bit to answer this:

 

I like that Hallia prefaced it with an adjustment to her read on Cory, and I understand what she's saying irt Pral: quantity of posts goes down, but they become more dense.  There isn't necessarily a decrease in 'content'.

 

Not a good reason to vote someone, no.  But scum!Hallia is honestly more likely to just quote Cory and say "good points here [vote]".  She's showing that she's thinking, and for her that's a positive sign even if her ideas are meh sometimes.

 

Hallia is a hard read in general.  I would bank next to nothing on being right about her in this game, but I'm not going to push the easiest lynch bait on the roster for scummy things that I know she is entirely capable of doing as town.  I'll offer positive encouragement until I see reasons not to.

Posted
  On 11/3/2015 at 10:03 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Just bcause ur involved in the game doesnt mean u shld be offended by zander being obnoxious on an island on pg 27

You... Personal involvement. Emotional involvement. Meaning if hes a donkey to me, maybe just maybe that bugs me and makes me angry at him. What im saying is I dont think thats alignment indicative, which is what your using it for.

 

I feel your being purposely obtuse.

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