Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Kivam]

I FEEL THAT I'VE BEEN SCUMHUNTING. THIS CAN BE SAID BY A TOWNIE BECAUSE I'M A TOWNIE AND I'M SAYING IT. YOUR THICK RULES OF WHAT A TOWNIE WOULD OR WOULDN'T SAY ARE PURE BS.

 

Go ahead and vote me. You're full of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCUIzs8i9EU

[Nynaeve]

Like I love how I'm busting my ass..... you use a ****ing dumb reason to vote me... you don't really address anything I said about Shad, really. Just slap a label on it saying it seems opportunistic and that you have an inkling feeling that it's V/V situation and I'm a scum trying to take advantage. When there's also a very real possibility that I saw things I did not like and I'm leaning on him... which is, again, something very typical for my playstyle.

 

But sure, keep twisting it about. I bet it'll be an awesome fit to get me mislynched in a game. Unfortunately I signed up with a very short fuse. You managed to rile me up. Grats. 

[The Crusher]

Think I may have caught something on reread

 

 

Not sure why think any of that is definitionally not opportunistic

 

Because I feel that I've been legitimately scumhunting and making good observations.....and all you gotta say is.... oh that looks opportunistic. There's nothing about Shad's content so far that makes him look even slightly town imo. So I don't understand how you'd get that impression or why you think this is a v/v situation. But, w/e. 

 

 

[unvote] [v]Nyn[/v]

 

Nyn, the red is verbiage that it doesn't make any sense for any townie to use under any circumstances, ever. A townie doesn't "feel that" they've been legitimately scumhunting, they simply do it ... and say so straight out.

 

Reading back and seeing this again, this looks like the "wrongly fingered scum's" lament ["how dare townie scumread me for doing ABC; yeah, I am scum, but that's exactly what I'd do as town, so they're wrong!"]. 

Does Batmanning the shit out of this game count?  That is a nice little pick up that not even sure I would notice if you didn't point it out.  What I did notice was the pressure she added to the Calder/ Chad thing that did not seem like scum hunting.  Again less inquisitive that I associate with town Nyn and more antagonistic that I don't. 

 

vote nyn

[Kivam]

I FEEL THAT I'VE BEEN SCUMHUNTING. THIS CAN BE SAID BY A TOWNIE BECAUSE I'M A TOWNIE AND I'M SAYING IT. YOUR THICK RULES OF WHAT A TOWNIE WOULD OR WOULDN'T SAY ARE PURE BS.

 

Go ahead and vote me. You're full of it.

Angrily doubling down rather than explaining is not a townie play.  Also fits in your scum view of your own meta as expressed in usual suspects ("can't back off or they'll call it out of character") so I'm not marking it down as TWTBAW, either

[Nynaeve]

I'm Ared Mosinel, VT. Go ahead and lynch.

[Nynaeve]

Better than wasting my time on bothering with this game, only to be told that I'm taking an advantage of the situation. 

[Clovdyx]

Kivam

Nolder

Calder

AJ

 

Zander

Hallia

Dice

 

Shad

Laine

Crusher

 

Clov

Nyn

Thane

 

Current reads list.

 

Yes, I'm aware that Clov was my peek.

 

Nyn basically covered this, but I wanted to point out, I really, really hated this list when I first saw it.  I'm caught up so I've seen your reasoning post, and it makes MORE sense to me, but I'm still not sure I agree with it.  

 

 

 

On a serious note... I don't really understand your read list. I don't remember much of anything game related from dice, Halli, Nolder, Thane or Crusher .... don't really get why they're not all in your null pile. Explain?  and since you're all pouty about it, I will ask why you have Thane as red? Enlighten me.

 

Also I would pretty much never have AJ as a green this early in the game, but if you can read him so easily, good for you?. The one thing that makes me maybe feel slightly okay about him is Laine's prod. But it's not much. And I wouldn't have Clov that low either.

 

 

I prolly only agree about the Calder placing at this point. And I would have Shad lower.

 

1 - those greens are very light greens for a reason.  AJ's approach to this game, so far, has been townsided, and he's called out the right things, so he can be provisional town (you know me, all D1 reads are HIGHLY provisional).  Nolder has essentially been townNolder for D1.  The "doing the thing" post isn't one I'd expect from scumNolder, who tends to play a bit more self-conscious.

 

2 - Hally and Dice are in the null pile because they've done nothing thus far.

 

3 - Crusher is doing his "jokey no content" dance that he does more as scum than town, which is especially odd given how eager he was for another game (he was pushing for one last one on JN, too).  But he is a light scum lean because it's D1 and that fits with townCrush as well.  It's more something to keep an eye on as the game goes on; if he stays in this mode D2, I'll be seriously concerned.  (And no, this isn't something I'd rather sit back and let develop, because few ppl here have played with Crush enough for me to want to take this to my grave if I die N1, and I'd rather have scumCrush adjust and be caught for content than risk that)

 

4 - Shad would be lower were it not for the niggling suspicion that Calder/Shad is v/v violence.  His reaction fits for scumShad (very similar to his Usual Suspects reaction) but also for a townie who is getting misread and tunneled by someone he's never played with before.  (Your jump-on, on the other hand, looks a bit opportunistic)

 

5 - Thane feels very much off.  His entry to the thread is not the entry I've seen multiple times now from townThane [even his bartending seemed obligatory], and he strikes me as a player who enjoys the game much less as scum than as town.  I don't understand that, but the change in his behavior fits with that mentality, and if that's what's happening, I like Thane enough as a human being to want to put him out of his misery.

 

 

I can see Calder being town, so I don't have any issues with that.  Hallia and Dice...I don't have a problem with.  I already said my piece on Hallia, but I can see why others would have her as null.  Shad's position isn't bad.

 

But I'm not sure I've seen enough from AJ to feel anything about him, besides he's an experienced player who doesn't make awful posts.  What do you think he's contributed to the game that's been "calling out the right things"?  The only thing I remember him calling out is his approach to peeks and making a comment about Laine.

 

I don't have much experience with Nolder, so I can't back or refute your claim that mafia!Nolder is self-conscious.  I just remember him being pretty quiet in TUS, and the fact he hasn't said much so far this game makes me not feel good about him.

 

Crusher I would expect to be lower for you, given the meta you provided, and I really don't like that you're essentially giving him a base when you seemingly have reason to push him.

 

 

Having Thane and Nyn as your top two scumreads is awful though.  I was a little worried about Nyn earlier when I saw she was just doing a bunch of one-liner multiquotes, but her sinking her claws in is EXACTLY how she plays, and I don't think she's been wrong to push Shad with anything she has.  None of her points were completely wrong or blatantly made up, and she obviously has a high level of conviction.  

 

Thane...eh, I'll be honest.  He always sound scummy to me.  I have a hard time reading his posts and not automatically concluding he's scum, so I wouldn't mind suspicion of him at this point, but the strongest suspect?  Really?

[Nynaeve]

Shad goes quiet in the meanwhile.... because why not?  Best best? Scum is between Shad/ Alanna/ Kivam/ Crusher

[Nynaeve]

Have fun kids

[Nynaeve]

 

I FEEL THAT I'VE BEEN SCUMHUNTING. THIS CAN BE SAID BY A TOWNIE BECAUSE I'M A TOWNIE AND I'M SAYING IT. YOUR THICK RULES OF WHAT A TOWNIE WOULD OR WOULDN'T SAY ARE PURE BS.

 

Go ahead and vote me. You're full of it.

Angrily doubling down rather than explaining is not a townie play.  Also fits in your scum view of your own meta as expressed in usual suspects ("can't back off or they'll call it out of character") so I'm not marking it down as TWTBAW, either

 

 

I don't care what you think. Get enough people to vote me, and I'll hammer myself.

[Clovdyx]

 

Think I may have caught something on reread

 

 

Not sure why think any of that is definitionally not opportunistic

 

Because I feel that I've been legitimately scumhunting and making good observations.....and all you gotta say is.... oh that looks opportunistic. There's nothing about Shad's content so far that makes him look even slightly town imo. So I don't understand how you'd get that impression or why you think this is a v/v situation. But, w/e. 

 

 

[unvote] [v]Nyn[/v]

 

Nyn, the red is verbiage that it doesn't make any sense for any townie to use under any circumstances, ever. A townie doesn't "feel that" they've been legitimately scumhunting, they simply do it ... and say so straight out.

 

Reading back and seeing this again, this looks like the "wrongly fingered scum's" lament ["how dare townie scumread me for doing ABC; yeah, I am scum, but that's exactly what I'd do as town, so they're wrong!"]. 

Does Batmanning the shit out of this game count?  That is a nice little pick up that not even sure I would notice if you didn't point it out.  What I did notice was the pressure she added to the Calder/ Chad thing that did not seem like scum hunting.  Again less inquisitive that I associate with town Nyn and more antagonistic that I don't. 

 

vote nyn

 

 

You know how I know you're scum?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

I don't.

 

 

But I would bet heavily on the fact you are.

 

 

 

 

[Nynaeve]

 

I FEEL THAT I'VE BEEN SCUMHUNTING. THIS CAN BE SAID BY A TOWNIE BECAUSE I'M A TOWNIE AND I'M SAYING IT. YOUR THICK RULES OF WHAT A TOWNIE WOULD OR WOULDN'T SAY ARE PURE BS.

 

Go ahead and vote me. You're full of it.

Angrily doubling down rather than explaining is not a townie play.  Also fits in your scum view of your own meta as expressed in usual suspects ("can't back off or they'll call it out of character") so I'm not marking it down as TWTBAW, either

 

 

You are taking a null tell and making it a scum tell?  Nice. glgl

[Nynaeve]

I'm pleased with making the crap float.

[Nynaeve]

This just makes me feel better with my vote, btw. There's no way scum wouldn't have promoted Sha'd train if he were town, considering all the heat he had on him. 

[Nynaeve]

Shad/ Crusher/ Alanna?

 

 

I think Kivam might just be really bad this game.

[Nynaeve]

Like... really really REALLY bad

[Kivam]

 

 

I FEEL THAT I'VE BEEN SCUMHUNTING. THIS CAN BE SAID BY A TOWNIE BECAUSE I'M A TOWNIE AND I'M SAYING IT. YOUR THICK RULES OF WHAT A TOWNIE WOULD OR WOULDN'T SAY ARE PURE BS.

 

Go ahead and vote me. You're full of it.

Angrily doubling down rather than explaining is not a townie play.  Also fits in your scum view of your own meta as expressed in usual suspects ("can't back off or they'll call it out of character") so I'm not marking it down as TWTBAW, either

 

 

You are taking a null tell and making it a scum tell?  Nice. glgl

 

No, I'm saying if you're town, get your head out of your ass and play like it instead of whining that you're being scumread.  This rage-flail reaction to a single vote is insane for a townie, and the ATE you've been tossing all over the thread makes me want to policy lynch you even if you end up as a mislynch, so I'm pretty happy with my vote ATM

[Clovdyx]

If people want an example of opportunistic, this is an opportunistic post.

 

Does Batmanning the shit out of this game count?  That is a nice little pick up that not even sure I would notice if you didn't point it out.  What I did notice was the pressure she added to the Calder/ Chad thing that did not seem like scum hunting.  Again less inquisitive that I associate with town Nyn and more antagonistic that I don't. 

 

vote nyn

 

 

Crusher posted earlier about coming back later with some thoughts - he's greatly underwhelmed in that regard.  He made one post about Nyn being more inquisitive than antagonistic as town (this is probably the worst meta I've ever read in my life, for the record, so I'm pretty sure he's just lying), but it came from a very neutral position on her.

 

 

 

 

 

 

And this is scummy, too.  I'm watching the Shad/Calder brouhaha and seeing mild inklings that could potentially support a case on Shad, but not enough to make me want to drive it forward at the moment.  That seems to be most of the game's read as well, given that you three have been the only ones discussing it.  Yet you saw enough to dive in face first, claws extended.  That reads - to me - as potentially opportunistic scum looking to exploit a townie mistake (a read contingent, obviously, on Shad being town, which we don't know yet). 

 

Fair enough to say that's a misread, but a misrep?  That's a highly defensive OMGUS for a single piece of suspicion thrown your way. 

 

It's a misrep in my eyes because it's visibly not true. I've pointed out several times what I did not like. I questioned him accordingly. I'm not taking advantage of anything. I'm sharing my concerns and digging deeper. It's what I do. Pointing it out as if it's irregular is bogus. 

 

To be fair it did look a little bit like you ganged up on him.  Calder was already working the kid into a frenzy.  Typical Nyn town is usually more investigative than antagonistic. Tough for me because don;t have meta on either Calder or Chad.  Might be what happens Chad. 

 

 

 

 

 

Like...there doesn't seem to be ANY sort of aggression in that post.  Nothing that makes me think "Crusher might be scumreading Nyn".  Now he moves in and piggybacks Kivam "catch" - something I use very loosely - and points out how good it is.  So good even he [Crusher] would have overlooked it!  Combined with the fact that he didn't feel she was scumhunting (nice of Crusher to point that out earlier, when he first addressed her interaction), he decides to vote.

 

 

Okay.

[Nynaeve]

Then policy lynch me

[Clovdyx]

This just makes me feel better with my vote, btw. There's no way scum wouldn't have promoted Sha'd train if he were town, considering all the heat he had on him. 

 

I understand the point, but I'm not so sure.  You're doing that thing where you ignore the set up again.  

[Nynaeve]

fwiw, I agree Clov.

[Nynaeve]

 

This just makes me feel better with my vote, btw. There's no way scum wouldn't have promoted Sha'd train if he were town, considering all the heat he had on him. 

 

I understand the point, but I'm not so sure.  You're doing that thing where you ignore the set up again.  

 

 

What do you mean?

[Nynaeve]

fwiw, I agree Clov.

 

About Crusher, that is.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

This just makes me feel better with my vote, btw. There's no way scum wouldn't have promoted Sha'd train if he were town, considering all the heat he had on him. 

 

I understand the point, but I'm not so sure.  You're doing that thing where you ignore the set up again.  

 

 

What do you mean?

 

 

You're saying that he would have gotten strung up pretty quickly if he were town.  Normally, I might agree with you.  But there's no hammer this game.  So all piling on would do is park votes on somebody that's going to flip town, without actually contributing to the lynch.  In ~40 hours, they would be looking terribad.