Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

Leelou · September 7, 2015

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?

A ve? What's that?

I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads.

Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking.

@Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3

I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it.

Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

You are the one that has him in your town list. How is does he end up there via poe?

Sili Quirrels · September 7, 2015

your reason for thinking i am mafia is... after I defended you, I reread, changed my mind, and voted you when you had one vote on you as a counter-wagon to verbal, correct?

wish-tree · September 7, 2015

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?

A ve? What's that?

I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads.

Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking.

@Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3

I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it.

Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

You are the one that has him in your town list. How is does he end up there via poe?

Who knows? Lynch him. :3 Lynch me too.

Sili Quirrels · September 7, 2015

If so, nothing to tell you except it's a lazy read. But whether you make good or bad reads is your prerogative.

BFG · September 7, 2015

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?

A ve? What's that?

I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads.

Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking.

@Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3

I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it.

Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

-ve negative +ve positive

Not sure what to make of the 2 of you just yet, but I'm happy you're amused. The recent conversation between you/Lenlo and others has me somewhere between amused, hysterical and banging my head, so I guess that's ok?

On a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you take mafia?

wish-tree · September 7, 2015

your reason for thinking i am mafia is... after I defended you, I reread, changed my mind, and voted you when you had one vote on you as a counter-wagon to verbal, correct?

I'll say yes if that means you'll keep your vote on me. rofl

Taborline · September 7, 2015

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?

A ve? What's that?

I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads.

Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking.

@Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3

I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it.

Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

Immediately? I said you were scummy after an ISO, which was hardly immediate.

Sili Quirrels · September 7, 2015

Who knows? Lynch him. :3 Lynch me too.

lol

Celeste · September 7, 2015

OMG

LENLO = LOKI

THIS PUSHING YIELDED SOME RESULTS

Even if I haven't done anything else helpful for town, I at least achieved this.

That means that my reads list changes again.

Loki= Lenlo

Scum= Sili, Taborline, Mish, Tress

Town= Sooh/BFG, Tina, Eldrick, Leelou, Ocicat, Verbal

Probably means that there's a chance I'm vanilla. Meh. Oh well, that means that I don't need to survive. Eh.

IF YOUR VANILLA YOUR ARGUMENT GOES OUT THE GOD **** WINDOW. THE LAST 4 PAGES THEN MEAN NOTHING OH MY GOD

They are probably scum. Or Loki. Keeping my vote there.

We aren't though. What are your reasons for voting us again?

Avoiding answering questions directed towards you, the reads lists, the rb thing.

Those are weak and frankly I lose track of questions a lot. What about the read list? Seriously is speculation a scum tell on this site because it is usually not on mine.

Sili Quirrels · September 7, 2015

your reason for thinking i am mafia is... after I defended you, I reread, changed my mind, and voted you when you had one vote on you as a counter-wagon to verbal, correct?

I'll say yes if that means you'll keep your vote on me. rofl

Pretty sure that was your logic in one of your posts, so I assume yes is the correct answer here. :wink:

wish-tree · September 7, 2015

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?

A ve? What's that?

I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads.

Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking.

@Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3

I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it.

Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

-ve negative +ve positive

Not sure what to make of the 2 of you just yet, but I'm happy you're amused. The recent conversation between you/Lenlo and others has me somewhere between amused, hysterical and banging my head, so I guess that's ok?

On a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you take mafia?

That's a two-part answer.

1. I'm usually calm and put together, regardless of alignment. That's when I'm serious. 8/10

2. When some rl stuff happens that I don't know how to handle and I'm getting voted in a Mafia game, I sort of lose my seriousness. I also tend to self vote. 1/10

wish-tree · September 7, 2015

But Celeste won't let me commit seppuku.

:crying:

Celeste · September 7, 2015

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?
A ve? What's that? I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads. Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking. @Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3 I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it. Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.
-ve negative +ve positiveNot sure what to make of the 2 of you just yet, but I'm happy you're amused. The recent conversation between you/Lenlo and others has me somewhere between amused, hysterical and banging my head, so I guess that's ok?On a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you take mafia?

Mine is a 6 or 7 but I'm not sure about wish.

Celeste · September 7, 2015

@Sili What is your reason for voting us again?

BFG · September 7, 2015

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?

A ve? What's that?

I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads.

Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking.

@Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3

I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it.

Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

-ve negative +ve positive

Not sure what to make of the 2 of you just yet, but I'm happy you're amused. The recent conversation between you/Lenlo and others has me somewhere between amused, hysterical and banging my head, so I guess that's ok?

On a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you take mafia?

That's a two-part answer.

1. I'm usually calm and put together, regardless of alignment. That's when I'm serious. 8/10

2. When some rl stuff happens that I don't know how to handle and I'm getting voted in a Mafia game, I sort of lose my seriousness. I also tend to self vote. 1/10

Interesting, that's higher than I'd have thought. Post initially quoted seemed extremely jokey to me, particularly your response to Leelou on Verb, although I guess you're being voted which makes you less serious?

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?
A ve? What's that? I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads. Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking. @Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3 I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it. Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

-ve negative +ve positiveNot sure what to make of the 2 of you just yet, but I'm happy you're amused. The recent conversation between you/Lenlo and others has me somewhere between amused, hysterical and banging my head, so I guess that's ok?On a scale of 1 to 10 how serious do you take mafia?

Mine is a 6 or 7 but I'm not sure about wish.

Ok, same as wish-tree earlier. I haven't fully caught up (nowhere near tbh) in this game, from what I've read I don't really know where you stand outside of the recent Loki discussion. What are your reads?

Celeste · September 7, 2015

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

BFG · September 7, 2015

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).

Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

Celeste · September 7, 2015

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.
I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

BFG · September 7, 2015

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.
I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

Can you give specific examples of this?

Whose reasons for voting you are weak? You have Tabor as town, yet she's voting you, so Mish and Sili?

Celeste · September 7, 2015

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.
I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?
Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.
Can you give specific examples of this?Whose reasons for voting you are weak? You have Tabor as town, yet she's voting you, so Mish and Sili?

Sili is another person I read as town. Leelou's and Mish's reason. I don't really know how to explain well is the thing.

BFG · September 7, 2015

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.
I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

Can you give specific examples of this?Whose reasons for voting you are weak? You have Tabor as town, yet she's voting you, so Mish and Sili?

Sili is another person I read as town. Leelou's and Mish's reason. I don't really know how to explain well is the thing.

:/ ok I'll see what I think when I get there.

BFG · September 7, 2015

Leelou/Talya Not actually sure what to make of this exchange. On the one hand I am never going to be able to trust Talya again, on the other this response from Leelou doesn't sit well. There isn't much else to talk about yet and Talya's persistence here is a generically good thing. I'll admit by #235 I've lost interest in the back and forth and I'm my experience that tends to indicate town/town.

Add Lenlo to the people questioning Eldrick, first to place a vote (actually VC has him second, but if I recall Talia's vote was for moaning at the mod, although she also asked him to expand on it) Also add Celeste to the number of people asking about Eldricks Loci post)

(#244 because your teammate was stupid :/)

Snow's switch to FoS'ing Lenlo is interesting, he seemed to follow Sili onto Sooh earlier

Celeste soft defends Eldrick #313? Also says Ocicat is easier to read under pressure #348, I don't really understand where Sili gets that Celeste is defending Ocicat from? It looks like a meta comment to me. I don't actually dislike Celeste at this point in the game.

I remember rooting for Lenlo in the Lenlo/Sili exchange early on and I'm kind of doing the same again now. I don't know if I can really say it's alignment indicative though, Lenlo wants to be a more involved player and naturally likes mafia (or did before his break).

Sili #350 I don't really like/understand Sili's argument here. Hes there's a lot for Ocicat to comment on at the time of Sili's post but Sili points out that Ocicat hasn't been around for 15 hours... if it's an inactivity comment then there are plenty of people who haven't posted much at this stage, if it's a fluff comment then there are people who have posted fluff. If it's gut then fair enough. Ok he states that Ocicat has been around just not posting, which kind of nulls my thoughts here aannndddd Ocicat posts in response /meh

(I'll be honest I'm glad Cory isn't reading Sili town already)

#373 Wish-tree bringing up other people mentioning Loki is /meh need to see what Mish's argument on them later is (is it that Loki is a subject they bring up or respond to a lot?)

#391 I'm liking Talia's use of her vote, and the fact that it doesn't seem to be carefully considered, but I've been burnt too many times here :/

Snow is back with an observation about Celeste/Wish-tree mis repping him (I actually had to ISO to see what he actually said - specifically he called Lenlo scum, not Loki, so he's right here. Something of interest is that almost all his posts seem to be fairly early on (based on page 1 and 2 are all early game stuff and he has 4 pages total.

Worth noting that Sili's early read on Celeste seems -ve given his later town read of them (as quoted).

#435 from Eldrick puts me on edge, questioning strong town reads early is something I associate more from mafia than town, but this is probably harsh.

BFG · September 7, 2015

Stopping here for now.

I'll see you all tomorrow <3

Lenlo · September 7, 2015

I think I would still enjoy being scum over town BFG. Ill have to wait until I am one and see. :P

Sili Quirrels · September 7, 2015

Sili #350 I don't really like/understand Sili's argument here. Hes there's a lot for Ocicat to comment on at the time of Sili's post but Sili points out that Ocicat hasn't been around for 15 hours... if it's an inactivity comment then there are plenty of people who haven't posted much at this stage, if it's a fluff comment then there are people who have posted fluff. If it's gut then fair enough. Ok he states that Ocicat has been around just not posting, which kind of nulls my thoughts here aannndddd Ocicat posts in response /meh

(I'll be honest I'm glad Cory isn't reading Sili town already)

@BFG, it seems like you're nursing a scum read of me, but then it imploded, and now it's null. Maybe read the thread? :huh:

Worth noting that Sili's early read on Celeste seems -ve given his later town read of them (as quoted).

Don't know what you mean.

Oh, and about lenlo, as time has gone on I've less and less reason to townread him. I would like to clear him for the early game interaction we had, but that probably wouldn't be intellectually honest.

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