Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Talya]

It looks like you were pushing a Pral lynch rather than Verb who we know is wolf

[Talya]

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[v]Tina[/v]

 

Could go back to BFG at any time, or JS

[Eldrick4221]

Thank you for your read on Tina. I'm trying to figure her out, and why so many people have her low on their list. I asked about it before, but the only response I got so far was someone correcting one of the reasons I has listed remembering.

 

The reason about Leelou and Tina's bottom lists matching was trying to figure Leelou out, not Tina. That's what was corrected.

 

The only other thing I had was that her reads hadn't changed much, and I didn't see how that put her so low, except if simply by PoE with everyone else being stronger town reads. I don't think that's the case.

 

Also, I'm glad you're finally contributing, so I can figure you out. Your play so far was reminding me of Verb's, and I was gonna push for your lynch if you continued.

[Eldrick4221]

It looks like you were pushing a Pral lynch rather than Verb who we know is wolf

Verb was also on my list of suspects. Oci was the lowest, and I was pushing him before Pral made the comment that I voted him for.

 

I was uncomfortable with Verb's lack of solving, and had no problem with his lynch until he mentioned that RL was keeping him from playing. I was giving him a chance to catch up.

[Eldrick4221]

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[v]Tina[/v]

 

Could go back to BFG at any time, or JS

Care to help me understand what you have against her? I'm trying to figure this out, cuz I'm not seeing what others are.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Tina, please try and get an opinion on me at some point. I'm one of the top 5 posters, I've gotten plenty involved with most people in the game.

 

I find it difficult to believe you can't even place me in the null pile. It's honestly like your trying to ignore me

 

OMG! I´m so sorry. Clearly I forgot you. I thought I listed everyone. Sorry. I still haven´t read your posts more but you are not a top priority since so many have you as clear town. You can be light green for now.

 

 

 

Mish

Tress

 

Taborline

Sili - Sili is moving a little up and down on my list but I think I will keep him here. 

 

Eldrick - I need to take a look at Eldrick. His behaviour today made him look town but I haven´t any memory about what he did yesterday.

Talya - I had a town read on Talya yesterday but need to look her up again because I don´t remember much about what she did in the later part of yesterday. 

Snow - Just like Talya. 

Lenlo - Because everyone seems to town read him. And I haven´t seen anything scummy. 

 

Verbal - Still hasn´t posted much.

Sooh - I have really no memory of her posts what so ever. Update: Too neutral - D1 uncertaintly or trying to stay in the middle? 

 

 

Oci - The one I want to lynch the most. 

Leelou - Haven´t changed my mind about her either. 

Wish/Celeste - I should take a look at their list once again.

 

Reading her ISO. Came across this post. It bugged me then, and still does. She completely forgot Lenlo in her reads list. When reminded of the fact, she adds him to light town "because everyone else feels good about him", Reads lists should be your own views. Putting someone you can't read anywhere except null because of thread consensus is just wrong.

 

It bugged me when Tress did it with Sili too, for the same reason.

[Talya]

I'm on my phone at work, but I have said a couple of times. You may have to ISO me sorry.

 

I'm also a little unsure why she said she can't do what JS asked if she does it in a way so is not obvious. I wonder if she got a result on a team mate lol

[Eldrick4221]

I'm on my phone at work, but I have said a couple of times. You may have to ISO me sorry.

 

I'm also a little unsure why she said she can't do what JS asked if she does it in a way so is not obvious. I wonder if she got a result on a team mate lol

 

I get why she has an issue with that.

 

We aren't allowed to discuss the names of our NA results, only what kind of result it is. We can't even hint. This makes cop views all but useless until Loki is gone.

 

The questions JS was asking her would have MK'd her if answered. There's no way to answer them without giving away the results of the view.

[Eldrick4221]

Almost useless. Cop results should be trusted, as Tress pointed out. Knowledge of a living player can still be used to reform an opinion of them, with what they have already said. You can still defend or push them without revealing you know their alignment.

[Talya]

Exactly...there are ways and means to things. She seemed to flat out refuse anything.

[Talya]

I would think knowing a cop result you cannot but help that it will effect your reads. You just have to be able to show some other thought process.

[Eldrick4221]

Such other methods take time though. And js's direct questions were unanswerable.

[Eldrick4221]

The very fact that sili's role affected the cop's view of GF is enough proof to me that my idea has no merit. I got worried over nothing, and I'm sorry I even mentioned the possibility. We choose our targets, and then someone else sees the result of our action. Our target. It's not more complicated than that.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm not budging from JS. What he said would have been modkillable if it was a tracker result. The fact that he lives means he's lying.

[michellem]

I was looking through Dice's posts, hoping to learn something... It would make sense if Loki was a mirror and could not be shot at nighttime, he must be lynched. Someone mentoned that and that's how Dice died, he shot at Loki and the shot got mirrored. I've looked up the two remaning mafia characters and none of them really makes sense as a mirror. The Fenris wolf could've been; he's too strong for mortals to injure him, but Odin or Thor would injure him (according to the marvel wiki). And Dice was Thor. So Fenris as a mirror wouldn't make sense for Thor to die from. So Loki as a mirror would make sense.

 

Someone also mentioned Dice wouldn't hold back on his action NA even if he suspected he had an harmful action, he'd go after his strongest scum read. From reading through his posts that was Wisheste, Oci, and Snow. We know none of them died that night, and we know Wish was mafia and Oci/Aj town. That leaves Snow. I'm still convinced he's not mafia, but he can still be Loki. I dunno, I've never played as 3rd party I think, but I would guess it's much much easier to blend in with town and look town as 3rd party vs mafia.

 

I'll need to look through his ISO again and see how he reacts to all things Loki.

 

But first, breakfast. It's almost 4pm after all.

[Talya]

I can actually see what you are saying. Maybe he deflects all actions against him, might not all go back to the same person, might be Dice was unlucky and his name was picked. I can actually see Snow being Loki, more than Lenlo as this day goes on. I would be quite happy going here, rather than going for mafia.

[Talya]

This is getting boring..

 

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[v]JS[/v]

 

Back where I started

[Lenlo]

I don't understand how someone who was basically a universal town read just a few days ago is now apparently a better lynch than Eldrick or Tina, both of whom were being looked at pretty heavily at the start of the day/day before.

 

How many of you professing Eldrick to be town right now we're, not but afew RL days ago, agreeing with me that how he was playing and what he was doing was suspicious and telling of non-town alignment?

 

This push reeks IMO.

[Lenlo]

Tina btw, Laing low to as to avoid attention and let the day just pass over her.

 

[unvote][v]Tina[/v]

 

I can't get Eld today sadly, but I can hopefully get my next worst read. She has laid low all day, allowing other people to fight over who will be lynched while she and whatever attention she got floats away.

[Lenlo]

Laying low*

[Talya]

I would go back to Tina I prefer to go for wolf.

 

With JS I dint think he is wolf I think he is Loki. He still could be town, town more likely than wolf, but a few things are bugging me. I'm still not sure about the bit where he was calling me out, and his posts confuse things a little. The thing about Loki is that he can pretend to be town a lot easier than wolves can.

 

Thinking more on it, I'm not sure if Eld is Loki. But I won't rule him out totally.

 

@ Lenlo, is Eld your only person you think is Loki, do you think he could be wolf?

[Lenlo]

I don't see it as all that different really, wolf or 3P. Both need to lie a lot. Just gotta be good at it.

 

I think JS is town, so I refuse to lynch him today. None of you want to go Eldrick, so instead I chose to go Tina cause I think she is scum. I did this both to Ty and save JS and actually lynch someone who isn't town today. Plus if we get rid of all the scum, then we can take our time with Loki cause I don't think Loki has a nightly kill, shown by the last few nights only having 1 kill.

 

Eld is my top top pick for Loki by a wide margin, yes. No I don't think he is a wolf.

[Talya]

Well I will go with you on Tina.

 

I think Loki can easily hide in the town pile.

 

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[v]tina[/v]

[Lenlo]

Eh. There was a game as a wolf I lied about being third party, so there's a lot of things you can do with it.

[Sooh]

Vote Count

 

Tina (3) - Leelou, Lenlo, Talya

Eldrick (1) - John Snow,

John Snow (2) - Eldrick, Tina,

 

 

 

6 to lynch