[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

I guess I don't understand what you're saying he's lacking, then.

Interest in doing anything besides the bare minimum would be a start

.....

Who's this about?

(The "he")

Clovdyx · August 14, 2015

Oh. I remembered a question I had.

What is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion. Trying to convince people of a position based on feelings for you (or the person the argument is about), rather than the strength of your argument.

Sili Quirrels · August 14, 2015

Oh, I disagree with clov's associative read of kivam (that he noted how he voted pralaya), but it seems in Clov's nature to do something like that. *shrug

Sili Quirrels · August 14, 2015

IT is pretty obvious what Zander is talking about. I find it lol that people even bothered to nitpick it.

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

I'm not asking you to force reads

I'm saying you are treating this whole game as a job and you don't seem to want to relax and mess around and have fun. You have seemed so NATURAL as a villager in your past few games, and here it's "well everyone expects me to make a reads posts so I'm going to and then I'm done with my time here"

Is this about you, Clov? o.o

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

Oh. I remembered a question I had.

What is AtE?

Appeal to Emotion. Trying to convince people of a position based on feelings for you (or the person the argument is about), rather than the strength of your argument.

Kk. Gotcha.

Lenlo · August 14, 2015

Sorry for being gone. I had to move to a new apartment, which was on the top floor with no elevator. Ugh. Then I had to get wifi setup which sucked, but I named it Bill Wi the Science Fi so that amused me. Then I ate a ham sandwich on sourdough and caught up. Prepare to read sandwich thoughts.

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either. So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

I actually didn't think about that. I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

This is sketchy to me. How is this a helpful observation?

Add-in: Cory also noticed this and I agree. Please explain how/give an example how this means anything beyond Random.

Im confused. Im gonna crash. Sort this out before I wake up plox.

-Len

I hate when people do this. Do you share an account with someone else? Is this an anonymous chatroom? Like wtf why sign your post? I can see it comes from you it's right next to your userpic and profile info. WHY!?!?

For the sole purpose of aggravating people. People do stupid stuff when annoyed. Also its funny.

A bit late to the party but here nevertheless.

Catching up on the game !

Please actually post something and dont just disappear.

Wassup. I be back in an hour.

Sup Salami. Please do.

Wow, a few new faces and a whole lot of people in this game. Counting the hydras, it is 28 people !! Thankfully, the number of pages this game has been manageable so far

Anyway,

Sili dislikes it when someone tells him to stop posting.

Kay,

Town:
AJ

Null:
Kivam
Hallia
Talya
Lenlo
Seph

Yellow:
Wish-Tree
Shad

groups aren't ordered.

Well, Sili bringing up the town/scum list in page 5 seems very weird. Looks a bit forced to me.

But then, Sili has a way of doing something weird everygame and I usually end up tunneling him. Hope that is not the case here

Actually, mish, there is a logic (to cut down on game bloat) that is good enough to start with, since it's not mathematically worse than any other random group of players. ......................and for us, it's actually mathematically better, since we'd be looking for 2 scum out of seven hydras - a 29% chance - instead of 5 scum in 19 players (a 26% chance). Of course, that assumes an even distribution, but if we're going to look at a random pool of 8, I'd rather it be one we're in rather than one we're not Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

Technically, this logic applies only if you are planning to vote blind the entire game. People make informed choices. Even if it is D1, there are some stuff people base their votes on. So, I don't generally agree with this argument.

This whole conversation was out of the place.

Between the Kiv sass and Mish's defensiveness, that is the way to go for now until I see anything better.

Vote: Kiv/Mish

I guess you did not see anything better, since your vote is still on them. I understand the whole things that happened afterwards, but did not see your reaction in the later parts of the game. Looks somewhat like you have parked your vote on them and happy with where you are.

Quote Pyramids hurt the eyes on mobile. Lay it down a bit please.
1. This is an ongoing struggle. People don't clip quotes to the pertinent bits for some reason and it drives me bonkers.
2. Who are you and where do you come from?

Heh, well played Yates. I bet even the Egyptians did not have anything as large as this

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95247-advanced-the-usual-suspects-mafia-day-1/page-10?do=findComment&comment=3527278

Hi DM Mafia crowd! Since wish tree and I are new to this site we came up with questions to get a feel of how you play.

1) Which alignment do you prefer?
2) Do you like to work alone, or with a team?
3) How will you make an impact on this game?
4) Do you like gambits or prefer to play it safe?
5) How much experience do you have playing Mafia, and what do you know about the other players?
6) Do you prefer to use the terms town/scum or villager/wolf?

1. Scum. I like lying, simple as that :)
2. Usually alone. Being not in the majority timezone, gets difficult to be on when most of the people are free
3. Usually a late game player. I hate D1. Am usually better when the number of people playing reduces
4. Couple of years. Started in this iste and have played all games here
5. Town/Scum. In with the crowd !

That was Prals catchup post in the spoils. I liked it. He said he would come back with a post and he came back with a post. A good post imo. Pral is good for now.

Just so everyone knows, this is why I hate big games.

I'm constantly in catchup mode and have no idea what's what, who's who, or what is going on.

I hope this game has a lot of guns in it.

+1

I think you are making the pretty grand mistake of assuming Zander knows the meanings of the words he uses

We make that mistake with you all the time, cut him some slack.

I think it's kind of interesting that Wombat pulled up the post count when he was towards the bottom end of that list. I'm not sure what the point he was trying to make is, but it seems odd that it comes from the same end of the list that people tend to look unfavorably at.

But it does bring me to my next observation. People that I've seen pretty much only fluff from. Or rather, person. That's Lenlo. He did say that he was moving, to be fair, but I would still have hoped to see more when he was here.

The point I was making is that people are posting too much. Also, welcome to Lenloville.

Population me. I quoted this so I could also respond to Razen.

Dude, there wasnt much going on before I had to start packing and getting ready to move. Once I initiated that process I was basically out of commission for 2 days, with some light reading while packing. Im back now though. And Bill the WiFi works.

Who is the best lynch for the day Clov

I know you didnt ask me, but I wanna answer to. ATM I am thinking either Zander/Seph or AJ. Both have interacted with a good number of people so we can get information from all that, and both have also left me with bad feelings. I will try to go back and get specific examples in the future, but im taking a shower after this post so it will have to wait.

I'm not asking you to force reads

I'm saying you are treating this whole game as a job and you don't seem to want to relax and mess around and have fun. You have seemed so NATURAL as a villager in your past few games, and here it's "well everyone expects me to make a reads posts so I'm going to and then I'm done with my time here"

IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS GAME TO BE A JOB FOR PEOPLE THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD POST LESS

PREACH IT WOMBY. CHURCH OF THE BAT(man?)

#INFP gonna #INFP

You shouldn't be readings posts that I spoiler for specific people anyway

HONOR RULES

I like this approach. Spoiler for townies only:

if you read this, quote it and say so in spoiler tags of your own. Game over, scum!

I didnt read it.

I am okay with Kiv/Mish atm. They dont strike me as all that bad. Both seem confrontational and that seems expected for both of them imo. Not sayin they are LOCK CLEAR FOO, but I am leaning towards not scum.

[unvote][v]Zander/Seph[/v]

As I said previously, I think they or AJ are good lunchs for the day.

Cory Caboose · August 14, 2015

I guess I don't understand what you're saying he's lacking, then.

Interest in doing anything besides the bare minimum would be a start

.....

Who's this about?

(The "he")

This was about AJ

I'm not asking you to force reads

I'm saying you are treating this whole game as a job and you don't seem to want to relax and mess around and have fun. You have seemed so NATURAL as a villager in your past few games, and here it's "well everyone expects me to make a reads posts so I'm going to and then I'm done with my time here"

Is this about you, Clov? o.o

This was about BFG

Kivam · August 14, 2015

Erm....

Okay.

I don't want to requote all of that and comment snarkily on things I find interesting...

Should I? I don't know if it's better to catch up if I missed anything important, or just get you guys to tell me.

Explain to me like I'm five and drunk (very illegal, I know. Don't arrest me :P).

snarky comments are always welcome

Clovdyx · August 14, 2015

I am proud to say I have been reading from page 30 through 50, and I like Razen and Cory, but Nyn less.

HAven't noticed anything significant from clov. Cory feels dejected by AJ, I think. Most of the time I agree with what Cory posts, and Razen too.

I think Zander is floating in his normal meta that is easy to fake. tbh I should pay more attention to him.

I haven't seen laine around. my vote stays.

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

Salami basically suggested of 8 slots none of them were wolves. -__-

Wombat complains a lot about the length of the game and I dislike that. It pings. Wolves complain about the length of a game when they post to lay slank cover. And I don't even care if it is too long, he focuses on it a lot.

Is it just Nyn "tunneling Mish" that gives you concern (my words, not yours) about her? I feel she's been pretty straight forward and pushed her reads the way I expect her to do as town.

What is your take on AJ? You said Cory dejects him and that you agree with Cory. Does this mean you're not feeling him either?

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

Re john snow and ocicat - i don't know either at all. No reason to think they are inactive by nature (and with Wombicat, i actually know that Wombat will post content i can analyze). That's what went on in my head. No way to prove it objectively, so I'm moving on now Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

John Snow is inactive by nature.

*makes note about the inactive nature of John Snow*

Ocicat hasn't posted at all, has he? Wombat's been doing the heavy lifting.

That was around 8.40am my time and I needed to get to work, I've since been out all day/evening

Well you've been back for a bit to catch up on the thread and you're still going with WoT "here are my reads" catch-ups rather than presenting your reads as they come in and interacting with people around in a meaningful way

Back in the day Despot told me something about reading you through how you present your WoTs and discuss but I don't remember what he said

And I feel like that's not really even your villager style nowadays anyway

Probably for the best.

wot's i think are a good way to keep your thoughts in order, and makes it easier for people to actually understand you. although I am just quoting, and typing my thought underneath currently lol. after last game, and my soulread fiasco. that is what a wot is yes? because I see the term used, but I don't know what it means

Wall of Text

Thank youuuuu. I had this question too.

I like you.

Unfortunately, mafia on DM is primarily meta driven lately. It's silly, since half the time people get the meta wrong (for instance, I've basically been scum my last few games here and few people have played with me as town, so stuff I do all the time is likely to get meta'd as "that's what you do as scum!") and the better players can keep their meta consistent across alignments anyway. Just make reads and judiciously factor in any meta commentary you do get, and you'll be fine

I see. I just find it odd that she was suggesting reading a whole game instead of like interact with people in thread.

DM has people from a lot of different time zones. There are some people you probably won't be able to interact with real-time.

So does my home site and we are all able to interact just find. But this is noted.

Yay! Partner!

It seems that you and cory expressed thoughts about interacting w/ people in thread. For you, interacting with people in thread > reading past games. Agreed 100%.

For cory, interacting with people in thread > playing catch up. Agreed 60% (not 50% because I am a lazy bum).

Here's what you need to know about my meta: I'm emotional and angsty and tend to get emo, I also like to set up traps that no-one else sees are traps so I usually end up getting lots of heat, and my schemes always end up biting me in the ass. Also, if I think I've caught scum I will usually go into full tunnel. Generally, I'm a mess!

Misheru.gifGame.increment();

Mish is a player I have trouble reading without bias because honestly I don't think I have ever seen her as Mafia and I consider her to be an exceptional villager so don't know what to expect and just vastly prefer her to be a villager

Hoping it becomes clearer with time because it'll give me headaches otherwise

She gets a bit slimy when she's mafia.

Can we create some kind of Mafia forum social group marriage system so I can wife up Tress already

That's what bonds are for, you gotta join one of the social groups Me and Kay just bonded a couple of days ago

I will never join a social group because I have still have no idea what book you guys are all reading

Why can't we just create a Mafia social hierarchy with villawives and lunchbuddies

Too heteronormative.

[v]Seph[/v]

Hally, I think that means you have to a

Stay and share.

Hally,real quick. Are you town?

And kiv, grudges man... they don't belong in this game. If your town, I don't want any clouded judgement, or a vendetta here.

all it does is cloud things up.for the whole game, so please please dont...

I honestly can't explain why this stood out to me as scummy, but this post just sounds awkward and completely unnatural to me.

I don't care at all about Kivam's policy lynching of AJ or Laine policy lynching a hydra, in regards to their alignments. Both voiced their gripes before the game started, and them actually "following through" (I use that term lightly) is no more likely to come from mafia than town IMO. What I do care about IRT to Kiv is his vote on Pralaya, who is notoriously quiet as any alignment. The fact he's only seen Pral as mafia makes it kind of fit, but then why vote at all?

I didn't like Mish seemingly taking exception to Alanna's hydra efforts - and acting like she was being singled out - but her response to Laine sounded pretty good to me.

Sili's discussion with Kivam actually makes me feel pretty good about him. His response about the ambiguous words is something I actually see Town!Sili arguing, and it wouldn't be the first time that his posts suggest one thing and it's completely different than what he's actually thinking.

I like Hallia's activity, and she's already putting herself out there more than she did in Harry Potter. I disagree with the reasoning of her vote, but her answer to my question wasn't bad and she actually seems to press the issue further.

So if you drew town you might do it, only to unvote later, or not do it at all, and say 'Oh hey, just kidding lul'

but you did it, and for now my vote stays.

@Razen - Have you seen anythign better? He didn't move it. I know that his partner did, but it stands out to me as scummy.

#teachMeHowToClov

Quotes much, says little, just like me. XDDDD

Apette dynamic is strong. Fortunately, Ape can't hide.

If you don't know what that means, you're not supposed to.

?????

I must not be meant to know this...

@ Nyn, I get the Zander thing.

You say you gut read sili, can you articulate it at all, I struggle there?

I feel like he's driven, enthusiastic and nudging. Some of his posts didn't make sense to me, but that's per norm. I am less twitchy about that when it comes to him. A little spammy, but that's also not unusual for him. If memory serves right, he tends to be a bit more spazzy and erratic as scum. I'm not seeing it so far.

Okay. Nyn gut read sili = town

@ Nyn, I get the Zander thing.

You say you gut read sili, can you articulate it at all, I struggle there?

I feel like he's driven, enthusiastic and nudging. Some of his posts didn't make sense to me, but that's per norm. I am less twitchy about that when it comes to him. A little spammy, but that's also not unusual for him. If memory serves right, he tends to be a bit more spazzy and erratic as scum. I'm not seeing it so far.

I could sheep this feel. I'm not very good at reading Sili either, but I feel good about you so far.

I can answer this. I was really busy and just now had time to post. It also still feels like too much meta use still but I'm still trying.

While I have your attention do you have thoughts on Lenone? I feel like she isn't really saying much.

Cool, thanks for answering. If you think we're relying too much on meta, then poke and prod what's going on now and make us look into the "now".

Lenone = Lenlo? If so, he tends to get behind early in big games so I see his absence as pretty null. I'll have to look back and see what he said when he was here, because I don't remember it. <-- Also a null to VERY slight town to me because when I've been scum with him he usually tries to pay attention a bit more.

Follow it along? Sheep feel = sheep read?

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

I guess I don't understand what you're saying he's lacking, then.

Interest in doing anything besides the bare minimum would be a start

.....

Who's this about?

(The "he")

This was about AJ

I'm not asking you to force reads

I'm saying you are treating this whole game as a job and you don't seem to want to relax and mess around and have fun. You have seemed so NATURAL as a villager in your past few games, and here it's "well everyone expects me to make a reads posts so I'm going to and then I'm done with my time here"

Is this about you, Clov? o.o

This was about BFG

Okay.

Will go back and check to see why you think that AJ has done nothing, and that BFG is treating the game like a job. :P

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

Erm....

Okay.

I don't want to requote all of that and comment snarkily on things I find interesting...

Should I? I don't know if it's better to catch up if I missed anything important, or just get you guys to tell me.

Explain to me like I'm five and drunk (very illegal, I know. Don't arrest me :P).

snarky comments are always welcome

That is currently what I am up to, yes.

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

[v]ClovFG[/v]

BFG's response in #708 is 100% a satiation of me and I don't ever believe that being genuine coming from someone as astute as her. She's trying to pin it back on me by saying "you should know that my posting is inverse to the game volume!" when she's been around and just doesn't seem to want to do anything besides make little "villagery" read WoTs. It looks so much more like her trying to mess with my head by having a conflicted read on me then her actually trying to read me.

Almost everything else from her is pretty standard line things that have been said before. Nyn is villagery because she's been abrasive. Razen is villagery because he made some really pure posts. Hallia had a good start etc. etc.

Refuses to come up with anything resembling a read on Kivam despite him being really the #1 source of discussion today.

Especially if her reason for not posting is that she's reading the thread, I would expect something more objective, unique points, but it's all the same backwash most of the loud people have been saying afaict.

She's a better villager than this.

Mm. I getchu. She is merely taking what other people have said and repeating it, correct? You say that she'd be better at being a villager than just sheeping along.

So you're not going to interact in real time because the game length is bigger?

Okay?

Why?

Just going to assume this is for me...

I didn't say I wouldn't, like it's something I refuse to do. But I don't think I've ever interacted meaningfully in RT when behind on thread, because it's pointless. I don't understand the arguments being made and the questions I have are generally been answered and done to death before I get to them, nor do I want to distract the thread with fluff.

Currently I'm about 5 pages behind, but it is now near midnight and I need to sleep. I will be able to catch up (definitely this time), but that's about all. Hopefully I'll make it on thread before work tomorrow and also hopefully won't fall so far behind again, so maybe I'll get to a stage when I can interact, it's certainly easier

Essentially the issue with larger games is that I have to spend more time reading, which means less time posting, I'm pretty sure you know this?

She says real life makes it difficult to reply in real time (which I'm assuming could mean she doesn't have the time to check the thread constantly). She likes doing the WoTs because she can do them whenever.

Essentially the issue with larger games is that I have to spend more time reading, which means less time posting, I'm pretty sure you know this?

Not buying it

Why don't you buy this?

Clovdyx · August 14, 2015

Len, can I assume that you quoting posts from today means you're all caught up?

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

I am proud to say I have been reading from page 30 through 50, and I like Razen and Cory, but Nyn less.

HAven't noticed anything significant from clov. Cory feels dejected by AJ, I think. Most of the time I agree with what Cory posts, and Razen too.

I think Zander is floating in his normal meta that is easy to fake. tbh I should pay more attention to him.

I haven't seen laine around. my vote stays.

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

Salami basically suggested of 8 slots none of them were wolves. -__-

Wombat complains a lot about the length of the game and I dislike that. It pings. Wolves complain about the length of a game when they post to lay slank cover. And I don't even care if it is too long, he focuses on it a lot.

Is it just Nyn "tunneling Mish" that gives you concern (my words, not yours) about her? I feel she's been pretty straight forward and pushed her reads the way I expect her to do as town.

What is your take on AJ? You said Cory dejects him and that you agree with Cory. Does this mean you're not feeling him either?

Hmmm

What do the two parts I've highlighted in bold mean?

Clovdyx · August 14, 2015

The first part means that Sili thinks Cory is not all that crazy about AJ. The second part is me asking if Sili feels the same way, since right after he points out Cory's feelings, he says he agrees with most of what Cory's posted. I want him to state what he agrees with.

Sili Quirrels · August 14, 2015

Just realized I read a whole page without absorbing a single word. To be continued tomorrow.

45 pages how wonderful. Gonna need a drink. Or six.

[unvote]

p. 32 People start quoting other games. Cuz we don't have enough to read in this game lol.

Irksome.

what happened to your fixation on hydras?
What is your intent with this? I'm still eating breakfast so I may be missing something.

I wanted her to follow up.

No kidding, Yates? People are misreading me. Not crazily enough for the misread to be inherently scummy, though I'd be willing to bet scum will jump on the opportunity to keep pushing it, which has me looking cross-eyed at Zander. I'm fairly sure Cory, Clov, and Sili are town, leery of Hally, and otherwise pretty much blank on everyone else. Playing the game on tapatalk and between crises at work doesn't give me much room to do deep analysis of the thread. If i survive long enough that will change (it had better) but as a townie the only real reason i care about avoiding a D1 lynch is obligation to mish. No complex plans this game, no long cons, no false trails to lay ... no obligations to anyone but her. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

=/

This shows he's progressing reads though.

A lot of talk went on about your PRalaya vote, but I don't care much about your Pralaya vote.

Sometimes people don't say stuff right.

No kidding, Yates? People are misreading me.
Like who? Do you think it's intentional? What is/are he/she/they misreading?

Personally, I'm not worried about the hydra hunting stuff. That's a discussion we had quite recently [star Wars, I think?].

I also don't care about the vendetta thing; though I would have counted both of your votes from earlier when Kaylee asked instead. If you use vote formatting, I think it's a vote. And I don't think it's crazy for a mod to count it, regardless of the situation. People actually DO self-vote for whatever reason. So it's not unreasonable to assume that a vote statement formatted as a vote will be counted as a vote. So really, I think that's on you without knowing anything else about it - but I digress. I don't want to make an argument out of something that isn't really any of my business.

I *do* agree that the Pral stuff looks bad. I get that you prod inactives. I think you told us that was your Town meta when you voted for him as our team mate. I'm not even really bothered by the vote itself. What's bothering me is how you chose to explain the vote. If you said something as simple as "I picked a name out of a hat" or "Pral is the only inactive I know so I prodded him," then I don't think this would even still be an issue.

I'm not trying to gang up on you here. I just want you to understand at least where *I* am coming from so maybe you can help me understand where *YOU* are coming from. Thanks.

Similar to Aj was, Yates isn't pushing an agenda either. Maybe I'm wrong, but I expect experienced players to be more agendaee.

Trying to keep track of all the people I can.

Town Reads

Hallia- Like her spunk. came in ready to go with no fear.

Nyn- straight to the point, pulling no punches. liked her posts.

Sili- started to get the game in gear. making solid points.

Alanna- Playing more like her Town!Alanna self.

Scum-

Kiv/Mish- emo posts, overreactions, defensive, not game solving.

Rest will take a while.

reads. no hedging. super.

you hedged a lot when you were scum.

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either. So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

I actually didn't think about that. I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

Really? That's putting a lot of weight behind "If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet." It wasn't a focus of conversation until other players made it one. If Kivam flips scum I don't think it says anything about Pral let alone other inactives at this point.

Clov says later; you say "at this point". Calling this out seems odd since he wasn't talking about right now.

/shrug I was thinking in terms of what we could use later if Kiv flips scum right now. Clov went on to clarify.

MOD NOTE: CSARMI WILL BE REPLACING BECK

O.O oh.

In short, focusing on a group that might be all villagers is crazy, stupid and scummy.

@Laine - unless you wanna focus on people with names starting with A perhaps?

Unimpressive. -__-

I see the Kivam stuff as a mountain out of mole hill, not seeing it. Also not seeing the Emo that Zander said, except for the false one. If one things about Kivam I haven't learnt, is he likes the last word (must be the lawyer in him).

Nyn isn't looking that bad for her push.

Sili is a bit Meh! but I always get him wrong.

Hally started off good, don't agree with what she said on Kivam

Zander is toned down (at last), feels stretching on his emo stuff with Kiv. Seph not looking so bad, wondered about his commentory on his play, and how he was changing it, then did the WoT he was building up to.

Want to see more on BFG, Laine, and others I've already forgotten :p

On a game this big that's about it atp

Meh? I feel dejected.

Dice seems energetic.

Im exhausted this week has suxed big ones! its friday hopefully things will be quieter and i can play at work.

Dice BFG's villager game is much different than it used to be

Maybe you haven't noticed cause she's been too busy owning your soul :P

But her average post count has skyrocketed and she's several times more open and confident in her reads

I only spoke about her Wots Cory. Your right she is much more active does really indepth looks but her Wots haven't changed. They have a certain tone to them when shes town

Nyn has been...abrasive in how she's asked some of her questions and given her responses. It's different from what I'm used to seeing, but that isn't a bad thing. I've generally liked the way she's pushed the misrep of Pralaya's meta from Kivam.

Are u talkin about my Nyn?? Cause it doesnt seem like it.

Voting me for what Seph said I said instead of looking at what I said is super-bad. [v]Misheru[/v]

Surprisingly not that bothered by Kivam yet.

Explain this will you? How do you vote one half of a hydra but say you are not bothered by the other? Doesnt that make them null?

on page 40

Nitpicking shad.

Don't really mind shad not liking one half of a hydra and then voting them.

I wasn't being sarcastic with my energetic comment but maybe you were tired and were overcompensating. =/

@ Nyn, I get the Zander thing.

You say you gut read sili, can you articulate it at all, I struggle there?

How about you elaborate on the meh read. -_-

I think you are making the pretty grand mistake of assuming Zander knows the meanings of the words he uses

:rolleyes:

don't remember anything alignment indicative from darthe or nord.

Kivam · August 14, 2015

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

What's wrong with voting people to "make them nervous"? Literally nothing.

What's wrong with voting people in a way that suggests one read, and then later denying having that read and getting defensive about multiple people making that conclusion while simultaneously changing your reasoning for voting them? Literally everything.

Thanks for replying so quickly <3

So, to recap:

1) Because Kivam only voted one person, Pral, that indicates he read Pral as scum.

2) Since Kivam denied that he ever read Pral as scum, saying that it was just the way his mind worked at that time, and it was subjective, he essentially denied the read.

3) ...What was his original reasoning, and what did he change it to? Pretty sure original was prod, right? What was the changed reasoning?

No, it has nothing to do with him voting Pral. The vote itself I don't care about. It's the fact he said "I have seen Pral lurk before as mafia" and voted him for not being around. If Kiv was just voting him to "summon" Pral, so to speak, then why bother mentioning he's seen Pral do it as mafia? Just vote him and see if he responds, and treat Pral's inactivity as null (which it is).

TL;DR - context suggests pushing for a meta of being a quiet mafia, Kivam denies that and says it was only for a response.

Because I'm an analyst by nature, and a scum-hunter rather than a town-hunter. (I think hunting for townies is a sucker's game that good scum will always win; good scum can fake tone and WiM, etc., but that's a separate discussion). So what I want is content from scum, and my kryptonite is lurking scum. If Pral is a townie and lurks, it's annoying but not deadly; if he's scum and lurks it's deadly. Knowing that Pral is a low content poster when he's scum is precisely why I prodded him and not, say, Wombat, who isn't a low content poster when scum, or Jon Snow, who I have no experience with at all. I'm not sure how many ways there are to say this, or why you thought I was expressing a "read," but that's it.

Kivam · August 14, 2015

Oh. I remembered a question I had.

What is AtE?

Crusher's favorite state of being.

Also, Appeal to Emotion

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

Man the emo started real early this game.

lololol with Kivam?

Wombat whats it like to be town? Describe it for me.

It's like being drunk on purity and goodness. Put your hands in the air cuz you just don't care!

this is acceptable.

Wombat is clear.

This is a joke, right?

Man the emo started real early this game.

Page 50-somefin ain't early

Oh, he admits it!

It was this post, Cory.

Hally, I think that means you have to a

Stay and share.

Hally,real quick. Are you town?

And kiv, grudges man... they don't belong in this game. If your town, I don't want any clouded judgement, or a vendetta here.

all it does is cloud things up.for the whole game, so please please dont...

It just read increidbly awkward to me. He's making a joke to Hallia, and then immediately turns around and asks if she's town. It's like he wants to show that he's comfortable with her but then acts like he's not.

But tbh, it's probably more about Zander than Seph at this point. I feel his actual contribution to the game doesn't match the amount of posts he has and is just trying to remain visible

seriously clov??? you read star wars or mass effect man? i post a lot and no not all of it is game related. but as you know im more of a gut player. im comfortable with everyone as you also know away from mafia. im not great sometimes with how i word stuff but meh i do my best.

i think my problem is while others who dont knnow me may have some of thess concerns i feel like you know the difference.

Hmmm

Zander is squishy and fluffy. A very loud fluffy. Is this indicative that he is scum?

[v]Zephyroth[/v]

well i cant say i dont like the name....lolololololol

Wombles, I'm not convinced you're the best lynch for the day, but you've literally done nothing this game. I'm seen you do these little empty quotes as both town as mafia so that means nothing towards your algnment, but you always do SOMETHING to actually build off. Even that post about Mish is close ended (for lack of a better word). Nobody can argue whether you really like it or not.

What do you want me to be arguing about right now? The only controversy I see in this thread atm is the Kiv thing and I've made my opinion quite clear on that.

Who is mafia and why.

Zander, for pushing an inane angle against Kiv. Beyond that, I have my eyes on Talya and Hally.

its only inane until its proven wrong right. everyone thought i was wrong on Yates and Sili in SW....yourself included. i listed numerous reasons why i placed my vote there, so im fine with it. so glgl. i play the play. i read people the way i read people. Zander's gonna Zander.

lol....

Need to find why Zander voted as he did, and why people find him suspicious. Is it the high post ratio : low content?

ebwop:

i play the way i play.

That clarifies things, a lot. .-.

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

The first part means that Sili thinks Cory is not all that crazy about AJ. The second part is me asking if Sili feels the same way, since right after he points out Cory's feelings, he says he agrees with most of what Cory's posted. I want him to state what he agrees with.

Okay. Gotcha.

Lol, I'd just never seen 'deject' used in a Mafia context. Are we all emos here? :P

I'm curious too. @Sili

wish-tree · August 14, 2015

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

What's wrong with voting people to "make them nervous"? Literally nothing.

What's wrong with voting people in a way that suggests one read, and then later denying having that read and getting defensive about multiple people making that conclusion while simultaneously changing your reasoning for voting them? Literally everything.

Thanks for replying so quickly <3

So, to recap:

1) Because Kivam only voted one person, Pral, that indicates he read Pral as scum.

2) Since Kivam denied that he ever read Pral as scum, saying that it was just the way his mind worked at that time, and it was subjective, he essentially denied the read.

3) ...What was his original reasoning, and what did he change it to? Pretty sure original was prod, right? What was the changed reasoning?

No, it has nothing to do with him voting Pral. The vote itself I don't care about. It's the fact he said "I have seen Pral lurk before as mafia" and voted him for not being around. If Kiv was just voting him to "summon" Pral, so to speak, then why bother mentioning he's seen Pral do it as mafia? Just vote him and see if he responds, and treat Pral's inactivity as null (which it is).

TL;DR - context suggests pushing for a meta of being a quiet mafia, Kivam denies that and says it was only for a response.

Because I'm an analyst by nature, and a scum-hunter rather than a town-hunter. (I think hunting for townies is a sucker's game that good scum will always win; good scum can fake tone and WiM, etc., but that's a separate discussion). So what I want is content from scum, and my kryptonite is lurking scum. If Pral is a townie and lurks, it's annoying but not deadly; if he's scum and lurks it's deadly. Knowing that Pral is a low content poster when he's scum is precisely why I prodded him and not, say, Wombat, who isn't a low content poster when scum, or Jon Snow, who I have no experience with at all. I'm not sure how many ways there are to say this, or why you thought I was expressing a "read," but that's it.

I see. So, to irritate you, I should lurk. I understand now. :D

Clovdyx · August 14, 2015

.....Because half a meta is completely useless.

Ehhh....

I do this, so I have no problem with it. I vote people to make them nervous. What's wrong with it?

I do see the possibility of scum prodding a teammate though, because I've also done that before as scum. That's likely.

What's wrong with voting people to "make them nervous"? Literally nothing.

What's wrong with voting people in a way that suggests one read, and then later denying having that read and getting defensive about multiple people making that conclusion while simultaneously changing your reasoning for voting them? Literally everything.

Thanks for replying so quickly <3

So, to recap:

1) Because Kivam only voted one person, Pral, that indicates he read Pral as scum.

2) Since Kivam denied that he ever read Pral as scum, saying that it was just the way his mind worked at that time, and it was subjective, he essentially denied the read.

3) ...What was his original reasoning, and what did he change it to? Pretty sure original was prod, right? What was the changed reasoning?

No, it has nothing to do with him voting Pral. The vote itself I don't care about. It's the fact he said "I have seen Pral lurk before as mafia" and voted him for not being around. If Kiv was just voting him to "summon" Pral, so to speak, then why bother mentioning he's seen Pral do it as mafia? Just vote him and see if he responds, and treat Pral's inactivity as null (which it is).

TL;DR - context suggests pushing for a meta of being a quiet mafia, Kivam denies that and says it was only for a response.

Because I'm an analyst by nature, and a scum-hunter rather than a town-hunter. (I think hunting for townies is a sucker's game that good scum will always win; good scum can fake tone and WiM, etc., but that's a separate discussion). So what I want is content from scum, and my kryptonite is lurking scum. If Pral is a townie and lurks, it's annoying but not deadly; if he's scum and lurks it's deadly. Knowing that Pral is a low content poster when he's scum is precisely why I prodded him and not, say, Wombat, who isn't a low content poster when scum, or Jon Snow, who I have no experience with at all. I'm not sure how many ways there are to say this, or why you thought I was expressing a "read," but that's it.

Because I (apparently incorrectly) assumed you would know not to bring up half a meta, unless you were using it for justification.

Sili Quirrels · August 14, 2015

I am proud to say I have been reading from page 30 through 50, and I like Razen and Cory, but Nyn less.

HAven't noticed anything significant from clov. Cory feels dejected by AJ, I think. Most of the time I agree with what Cory posts, and Razen too.

I think Zander is floating in his normal meta that is easy to fake. tbh I should pay more attention to him.

I haven't seen laine around. my vote stays.

Last I saw Kivam was in the lead. Nyn might be tunneling mish. While I think mish overreacted, I don't understand the full picture. Nyn said Kivam was covering for Mish' behavior.

Salami basically suggested of 8 slots none of them were wolves. -__-

Wombat complains a lot about the length of the game and I dislike that. It pings. Wolves complain about the length of a game when they post to lay slank cover. And I don't even care if it is too long, he focuses on it a lot.

Is it just Nyn "tunneling Mish" that gives you concern (my words, not yours) about her? I feel she's been pretty straight forward and pushed her reads the way I expect her to do as town.

What is your take on AJ? You said Cory dejects him and that you agree with Cory. Does this mean you're not feeling him either?

Nyn is taking apart Mish's posts to build a narrative. It's a tunnel. In particular I don't agree that Mish expecting more substantive votes on her contradicts not feeling the votes already placed.

And Kiv covering for Mish in the scum qt is conjecture. At least, that is what I am picking up on. Alas I have not read enough Mish to get a fuller picture. MAybe the conjecture is reasonable.

I disagree with Cory on AJ.

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