[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

csarmi · July 1, 2015

I'm almost 100% on WombJ being mafia right now (still rereading).

Main points:

No game solving (yup that's true!). Coasting kind of.

Leelou interactions (or lack there of).

Leelou has a mafz on her scum list (probably).

AJ on Seph D1 (just read the Avatar game, look how AJ treated town!Seph there as a villager).

Claim is fishy.

I don't think I'll have time to make a case. Probably will have time to get with my reading where I can. This read is like my 92% progress... the extra 8% in 2h. (don't mean I'll read the whole game, just have specific goals)

Talya · July 1, 2015

there is a twist to that last bit NB..

If you have a doc, phoenix and stump, why have a communter?

And yes my vote was disappointing to me as well.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Screw it maybe I die for this but I think all of today's lynches with the exception of maybe Leelou are wrong.

I want thaneballs or zander atm

More Darthe goating.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

darthe I am looking at tayla through a couple of posts atm. I just isod her/

had a quick look on Dice in the last couple of games I was in and it seems to me Dice as wolf, comments more about people rather than to them, and doesn't say so much when he posts, and more fluff posts. So this would make me lean town on his posts here.

I don't see wolf tayla going back to find evidence, or even faking this post here.

I also like her posts on zander, and her reads in general after looking over them.

I would like to hear a current reads list, as she left me off her first one, even though talking about me through half of it, but I am feeling better about her now.

Talya+

csarmi · July 1, 2015

darthe I am looking at tayla through a couple of posts atm. I just isod her/

had a quick look on Dice in the last couple of games I was in and it seems to me Dice as wolf, comments more about people rather than to them, and doesn't say so much when he posts, and more fluff posts. So this would make me lean town on his posts here.

I don't see wolf tayla going back to find evidence, or even faking this post here.

I also like her posts on zander, and her reads in general after looking over them.

I would like to hear a current reads list, as she left me off her first one, even though talking about me through half of it, but I am feeling better about her now.

Talya+

csarmi · July 1, 2015

^That, I said the jerk thing tongue in cheek. Everyone does there own stuff and I am not the arbiter of "good" play. That's Cory, he is in office on Tuesdays and Thursdays between 11 and 4.

Remind me not to read Darthe again without a distance.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

@Darthe

We're not in trouble. I have some solid villager reads right now, and I doubt I'm wrong on more than 1 of them (if any). This means lynching from the rest is ok by me for now, until potential NKs in my village pool make me need to add more players to it.

I'm ok with this approach for D1/D2, btw.

What are your solid town reads?

Dice

Eldrick

Salami*

Yates

Sili

Leelou

Durin*

* the only ones I could waffle on a bit - there is no way they are w/w, though.....which means definitely 1 of them is a villager, but I think both right now. So when I said I'm not wrong on more than 1, I was thinking of these 2 in my head.

V

Talya · July 1, 2015

I had a quick read on Eld, in the Artharian game, he does seem to post more here, but he joined that game halfway through. He does jump on and off a votes a lot there as well. I will see if I can read some more tomorrow.

I'm off now, I'm not going to be around for the eod.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

I know Verb has plots within plots. But what kind of wolf puts THREE of his 4 partners there in his town lists AND right under one another?0

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Take ur votes off the masons folks.

Talya · July 1, 2015

@Darthe

We're not in trouble. I have some solid villager reads right now, and I doubt I'm wrong on more than 1 of them (if any). This means lynching from the rest is ok by me for now, until potential NKs in my village pool make me need to add more players to it.

I'm ok with this approach for D1/D2, btw.

What are your solid town reads?

Dice

Eldrick

Salami*

Yates

Sili

Leelou

Durin*

* the only ones I could waffle on a bit - there is no way they are w/w, though.....which means definitely 1 of them is a villager, but I think both right now. So when I said I'm not wrong on more than 1, I was thinking of these 2 in my head.

V

Would Verb put sili and Yates and Leelou as town if they were his team mates (obviously Leelou was)?

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Yates and Sili are town. Game is a lock.

GG.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

@Talya see my xpost.

Verb is crafty.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

But there are limits.

Talya · July 1, 2015

lol...you beat me CS

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Durin would be a terrible D1 lynch. Seriously, who has been more proactive about hunting scum in this game so far than Darthe? Even if you don't like him he is useful to keep around right now.AH is a blind lynch at best.Seph's defensiveness mainly centered on people accusing him of not trying, not on people accusing him of being a wolf. Considering how passionate he got about it, I think something would have come out.

I don't understand Dice or Csarmi, but both of them are getting a pass by more than just wolves.

I think these are all bad D1 options, and they account for 7 of the 11 standing votes at the moment. Town aren't trying hard enough.

Shad has like goat level of play btw. Is he a natural? Is he a pro in disguise?

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Durin would be a terrible D1 lynch. Seriously, who has been more proactive about hunting scum in this game so far than Darthe? Even if you don't like him he is useful to keep around right now.AH is a blind lynch at best.Seph's defensiveness mainly centered on people accusing him of not trying, not on people accusing him of being a wolf. Considering how passionate he got about it, I think something would have come out.

I don't understand Dice or Csarmi, but both of them are getting a pass by more than just wolves.

I think these are all bad D1 options, and they account for 7 of the 11 standing votes at the moment. Town aren't trying hard enough.

Shad has like goat level of play btw. Is he a natural? Is he a pro in disguise?

csarmi · July 1, 2015

I don't wanna be awake right now, but I'm past the point of being asleep.

Reading the thread on my phone isn't good enough anymore cuz I can't multiquote, and my brain isntaining everything I want to respond to.

Time to go back and continue reading.

something that stuck out so far was Sooh saying it was a good idea to lynch AH because she wouldn't be a useful towny later. This was really really bad. As town, you don't want to lynch other town for any reason. If you suspect them of being town, or at the very least don't suspect them of being scum, you shouldn't want to lynch them.

[unvote]

[v]Sooh[/v]

Very wolfy behanvior.

Now, back to reading.

Eldrick's probably town here.

C

Hallia · July 1, 2015

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Talya(1): WomboCombo

WomboCombo(3): Notbob, Csarmi, Talya

Eldrick(3): Dice, Yates, Sili

Yates(2): Seph, Eldrick

Not Voting:

It is Day 5. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. A deadline is set for Wednesday, July 1^st at 7pm PST.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

I said simples just for you, Talya :P

Now I feel touched <3

Still think you maybe wolf, though that is more AJ.

[unvote] I think we need to consolidate.

Zander - I want to see more of, I want to be proved wrong so not on the lynch for today

Sooh - why do I feel so guilty about thinking she is wolf?

Those are top wolf leans.

I don't want to go for any one in my top town read. Heart's train doesn't seem a good one.

Why are people reading Leelou...am Iisdng something?

Zander is kinda meh to me but seems to be trying so I'm willing to leave him around for now. I have Sooh as townish trending back to null, but I've had trouble with reading her in the past. I have Leelou as null and don't know why anyone would have a read on her right now.

I don't understand why you two are saying nobody should have a read on Leelou.

It's becoming glaringly obvious that I'm not getting caught up before work, and therefore am missing the deadline. Anything of note in the last 15 pages?

I checked the recent VC, and saw that Leelou is up there now. Why is this?

Bolded is why I asked. You should have wolf reads if you're going to mention that you notice them doing something.

Who were you referring to with the sentence?

I am literally never lynching you this game.

I'm nearly falling asleep here.

I wouldn't be surprised there at least 2 if not 3 wolves in the non voting area.

Didn't like Sooh's 'non push' on Heart, and layest reads are so fency. She seemed to start ok . She isn't voting - did this last game.

[v]Sooh[/v]

I have now noticed Eld and trending towards town.

[v]wombocombo[/v]

Can't shake the feeling something is off there.

Going now, depending on how dinner goes I'll either be home before deadline or after.

Kind of skimmed since the last VC just to see where we're at and I think this is it?

Seph(1): NotBob

Durin(2): Dice, Csarmi

Leelou(2): Aiel Heart, Shad,

Aiel Heart(1): Sili

Wombocombo (1): Leelou

Laine (1): Wombocombo

Sooh (2): Eldrick, Talya

NotBob (2): Clov, Seph

Therbal (1): Durin

Is that right? This close to deadline?

It's what three hours away now?

Totally didn't unvote I just realized, but that train wouldn't leave the station at this point.

Ok with staying on Leelou at the moment.

Am getting kidnapped and probably won't be back before dl hits but will try.

May the force be with us

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Dm is kind of messing with me, especially when quoting.

Talya is a villager there.

Eldrick likely too.

Sooh push.

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Leelou/Verbal progression makes no sense from either side.

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Can you guys pls lynch the Wombo there?

I'm going to sleep. Wanna wake up to game over.

Ni-Night

csarmi · July 1, 2015

Townie leansSalami - claimed Jar Jar - hated

DiceSili

Laine

Yates

Talya

Eldrick

Sooh

NotBob

ThaneBalls32

Zander

Null

Shad

Maw

Scummy leans

Aiel <3

Wombocombo

Durin

Seph

I am going to [unvote] for now. I feel slightly better about Heart, not thrilled with her vote though and a few of her reasonings. I want to mull over my scum leans before voting again.

How does Lee do these lists? NB?

Need to finish...accidently posted too soon:

NotBob: Obvious

Seph: Phoenix

Dice: Cleared by Laine

Csarmi: Claimed hated role. wish we had cleared this up earlier. Mostly played a townie role with a reluctance to hunt or lynch just about anyone.

Talya: Helpful. For those listing her in POE...read her game...actively trying to solve the puzzle. I could list numerous posts where she answered questions and highlighted key concepts to consider throughout the hunt...especially pointing out the scene where Zander becomes the Cop. Too much to like. But her vote on Heart was disappointing.

Yates: Had a town read on him most of this game...only doubt came when he said he was a mason with Sili. Agree withpost that the final scum is most likely a JOAT. Would explain the 4 scum count with an extra kill from N2. If the masons are scum they had 5 scum plus an extra shot. Just don't see that here.

Sili: Have a scum read on him since the active drive/vote to lynch Laine instead of Leelou. Looked like he was covering for a scum partner. Since then has mainly taken a scatter approach to hunting. Hate the mason breadcrumbs and if his partner was anyone other than Yates I'd probably move there. Guess at this point I just do not see five scum with an extra kill.

Eldrick: Do not like how he's trying to appear confused townie. He's smarter than how he's played and if I'm wrong on WomboCombo...he's my next pick.

WomboCombo: Main reason: They failed to listen to reason. Think about that for a moment. They. When I get confused on the proper play I can only think it through my own brain. They are a hydra. They could converse with each other in a QT and still managed to appeal to blood thirst instead of taking a reasoned, rationale approach. Now I know they will argue that it was not just them on the lynch train but I will reply: Who drove the train? Who worked against sound logic? Who kept up the pressure with "GG...just lynch Heart" type commentary. They were over the top convinced...and when players says they know it all...it usually means they have motive. The motive was to eliminate the scenario Zander proposed. Look at their responses today. They argued they favored their plan over a No Lynch. That is the expressed motivation. Well the lynch Heart and No Lynch scenarios both avoided the situation we are currently in. No Cop view.

Also, their argument yesterday was no way we have a Doc and a commuter in the game. I now see the logic in that commentary but of course they now say they were wrong. Fool me once, shame on them, fool me twice, shame on me. Vote WomboCombo FTW!

I'm almost 100% on WombJ being mafia right now (still rereading).

Main points:

No game solving (yup that's true!). Coasting kind of.

Leelou interactions (or lack there of).

Leelou has a mafz on her scum list (probably).

AJ on Seph D1 (just read the Avatar game, look how AJ treated town!Seph there as a villager).

Claim is fishy.

I don't think I'll have time to make a case. Probably will have time to get with my reading where I can. This read is like my 92% progress... the extra 8% in 2h. (don't mean I'll read the whole game, just have specific goals)

@Darthe

We're not in trouble. I have some solid villager reads right now, and I doubt I'm wrong on more than 1 of them (if any). This means lynching from the rest is ok by me for now, until potential NKs in my village pool make me need to add more players to it.

I'm ok with this approach for D1/D2, btw.

What are your solid town reads?

Dice

Eldrick

Salami*

Yates

Sili

Leelou

Durin*

* the only ones I could waffle on a bit - there is no way they are w/w, though.....which means definitely 1 of them is a villager, but I think both right now. So when I said I'm not wrong on more than 1, I was thinking of these 2 in my head.

V

Take ur votes off the masons folks.

Can you guys pls lynch the Wombo there?

csarmi · July 1, 2015

pls

Andrej · July 1, 2015

[v]Eldrick[/v]

GLGL.

Don't really care this point - if we get lynched think of things from our perspective and know we were trying to help find wolves. We are a candidate because we were vocal with our reads and now a lynch with 5 other votes on it is being laid at our feet. Wake up village lol

Your best bet is still between Talya/Eldrick.

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