[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Yates]

How many of those did you drive? Let me go take a look at that record...

[Talya]

 

 

And who would you investigate N2 if you were Laine?

And as you answer that question... bear this post in mind:

I think Yates and Thaneballs are mafia together with Leelou

 

 

Cool Game Solve

 

[v] Yates [/v]

 

Zander, Laine could not have viewed both at this time, a lot thought that Day 2. Then Day 3 she didn't want to lynch him. so if you are going to go by her ideas for who is town, go by something more current.

[Talya]

How many of those did you drive? Let me go take a look at that record...

 

He was on 3 but didn't drive them, as far as I can remember

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

Let's just wait for Seph to drop some knowledge in here. Then we can go.

 

Seph was replaced I thought

 

 

notbob out of wombo eldricj and yates who do you think is a wolf?

 

 

prolly this order:

 

Eldrick, Wombo and then yates...but I have a town lean on Yates...so I don't see it going that way.

 

Why you point FOS Yates?

 

 

i dont know who or what your asking sorry,

 

 

Why do you suspect Yates?

 

 

 

i dont like his saying Alanna peeked him.  ive said for a long time i didnt buy wombo vs, yates as t vs t.  o think wombo is more towny imo. 

[Zander?]

 

 

 

And who would you investigate N2 if you were Laine?

And as you answer that question... bear this post in mind:

I think Yates and Thaneballs are mafia together with Leelou

 

 

Cool Game Solve

 

[v] Yates [/v]

 

Zander, Laine could not have viewed both at this time, a lot thought that Day 2. Then Day 3 she didn't want to lynch him. so if you are going to go by her ideas for who is town, go by something more current.

 

 

i know that.  but i think she WAS right when she posted that.

[Yates]

i know that.  but i think she WAS right when she posted that.

But she wasn't. And she realized that. What do you think made her change her mind? That's the part you are missing.

[Yates]

Alright. Lunch time.

[Eldrick4221]

I figured out that Laine was the cop during EoD2. That's why I said she was solidly town to me.

 

I had assumed that she had peeked Therbal from the way she was pushing him all day, but it could have just been suspicion that solidified when he claimed.

 

It's clear that Verb figured out that she was the cop. I'm wary of the person that mentioned that the cop didn't die N2. I'm gonna go look up who that is.

[Zander?]

i dont think Heart is a wolf

 

i think Eldrick really just made a HORRIBLE claim. but he's still a suspect to me.

 

Dice and Csarmi are cleared by Alanna imo

 

Talya and Notbob seem town enough for me

 

Have sili as a town read but i have no real idea how to read him.

 

we all know seph is town.

 

and with that i think there has to be a wolf between Yates/Wombo.  Wombo has looked towny enough for me dont like yates soft claim earlier,  dont like him using Alanna peeked me has cover.

[Eldrick4221]

 

im not understanding those kills at all

Scum think Lainey is the cop.

 

Scum are afraid she was going to be doc protected.

 

Scum were doc hunting/eliminating obv Town.

 

How is that hard to follow?

 

It was Yates that mentioned it. That doesn't help much, if Yates was her peek, which it seems like he was.

[Zander?]

 

i know that.  but i think she WAS right when she posted that.

But she wasn't. And she realized that. What do you think made her change her mind? That's the part you are missing.

 

 

because she changer her mind DOESN'T mean she peeked you.  i just think your using that.  she backed off of other's as well.  people's reads change.

[Eldrick4221]

Csarmi is cleared my Laine only because Dice is townreading him. But I agree what he isn't scum.

[Talya]

I will put this in a spoiler..

 

 

 

 

Sili
—was ok with Sooh behavior as it happened; liked Sooh’s initial post better than mine because she knew it would probably look bad and did it anyway.
—Didn’t like Aj’s attention on Seph
—Gave a few thoughts here and there, more on the defensive in the early 90s pages
—#1975 says he doesn’t care about Leelou but Verb says she’s probably town voted Laine—later beat himself up for it
—gives reads in #2135 but says ten posts later that they aren’t worth much
—Looks at me Sooh based off of Leelou’s interactions with us, increasingly looking at Sooh
I feel like Sili hasn’t been fully present this game (as compared to my limited past experience), which isn’t alignment indicative necessarily, but doesn’t make me feel as confident in him as I would like to. Leaning town


Alannalynn
—defended those with busy lives early on, which I admit may be making me a bit biased about her
—has been giving a decent amount of thoughts and has been pretty wide spread about them
—the whole “taking out the hydras” thing was supposed to be a joke but is still rubbing me wrong
—Was the opposite train to Leelou on D1
She’s acting like a cleared town leader at this point, and she is one of my stronger town reads right now, and seems pretty invested in hunting at this point. Will allow to be a strong town read


Thaneballs32 (Thane and Verbal)
—beating a dead horse here, but I will note that there was very little noted.
—Verbal said multiple times dice and Leelou were town, but didn’t really substantiate any of reads that I noted, he was however very confident in his reads.
—I had absolutely nothing by Thane in my notes
—ISOing, he didn’t like Csarmi’s claim, various things that he doesn’t like or is wary of but nothing very substantial
Nothing of note, and both of them are capable of playing a much better game. Verbal is allowed to be wrong about Leelou, but he never gave any reasons for any of his reads and his reads didn’t really progress

NotBob
—popping in like usual, asking a question here and there, commentating, gave real thoughts when asked
—#3019 before wasn’t willing to vote uneducated at EoD (and it was EoD so maybe that is the factor here) and now he pops in and votes Thane though he’s not caught up, which I find interesting
No strong reason to like or dislike him at this point, so leaning town.

Sooh
—I noted early that she had more of her own thoughts than she had last game, though that has severely dropped off and she seems to only pop in every now and then
—Most of her pop ins have been defending or explaining herself since, and I feel like she’s having decreased strength
—a few of her posts have pinged, a few of them I have liked
—Looks a little more scummy in light of Leelou; I can see Leelou doing distancing like that, and that situation felt strange to me.
Going to put leaning scum at this point. I’d like to hear more from her on her thoughts on everyone.

Zander
—There have been a few times when he’s popped in with something random
—were a few reads and such that I didn’t like at the beginning, but his reads have been somewhat organic.
—Has been doing a lot of casing and giving thoughts.
Town Lean

Eldrick
—Noted a lot of posts I like
—Is maintaining that I’m not clear when a lot of other people are considering me clear, which I don’t think a wolf would necessarily do right now (wouldn’t want to draw attention to themselves by stating an opinion that is contradictory and may draw attention to themselves)
—I appreciated the direction he was going with the VC + Leelou’s list. Looking for new ways to poke out scum is ok
Town Lean

Talya
—I feel like I have a very little amount of feel or memory for someone I have so many notes on
—I had a town lean on her early in the game
—Her thoughts and reads have been very different from others’ in this game, which could mean many things. It is good that she isn’t just going with the crowed, and isn’t afraid to be unpopular with others (which she has been)
—2347 Yates quote pointing out how little wolf hunting he has done which others really like
I’m not seeing strong reasons to like or dislike her either, so another slight town lean

Yates
—Once again, a dead horse.
—Didn’t like some seph things, didn’t like some of the early votes
—Gave a few reads, made a case on Durin, defended seph against Zander at one point, didn’t like Sooh’s post.
—a lot of stuff is either jokey or math talk in his ISO
—I have liked quite a few of his posts, and I also know that life has been busy for him which I can empathize with, but there has also been a lot more talking without actually saying anything than usual, and that feels a bit off to me.
I can agree with the scum read, though the Therbal one is stronger for me. I feel much more conflicted about labeling him scummy for whatever reason (it may just be because he’s one of the people that I’m always inclined to feel more nebulous about), however at this point we could also get a good deal of information from his lynch. Would like to hear more from him before death though.
He’s sort of like a high strong scum…? Idk, something here is off for me and I don’t like it

Dice
—Tunnelled on the Wolf read day one
—Was defended by leelou and Verbal with no explanation
—note that he saw verbal as townie (was past tense in the post) and Yates
+As an added bonus, is pushing me now, and I’m not all that fond of the case. Others feeling I’m not cleared is more understandable, but I feel like he’s kind of reaching with his casing (re #2706, I had said 3rd party NK in response to whatever Shad’s theory was about a doc protect or what not, the post about the Janitor possibility had ninja’d. Was half asleep and knew there was a role that stripped all info away, but couldn’t remember the specifics of it. I think I only ever played one game with a janitor, and if I did it was a long time ago and in that game it was weird, so the impression wasn’t that strong.) (Then #2963—I had joke-voted Leelou. Later on when I attempted to vote you but forgot to unvote her, she was still very scummy in my opinion, but I figured your lynch would give me info on her. Then I found out that I had forgot to unvote, but my vote was on someone who I still believed to be scummy, and someone who was far more likely to actually get lynched at that point, and the other train was partially built on something that was a false impression. Why would I change my vote?) (Next?)
I have not liked Dice’s game, and I continue to not. A lot of other people have been fine with it, though I need to go back through and see exactly who at this point.
Now, what would that mean? Leelou, dice and Verbal were all mafia, and they all defended each other with the exception of dice defending Leelou (noted that he saw her as somewhat scummy)? That doesn’t seem likely. I’m not certain of the implications/thoughts here, but I feel like lynching Therbal could give a bit more info here too.


Shad
—A lot of analyzing lists, making cases, giving thoughts, and going for things that he sees as scummy
—A lot of giving thoughts and a lot of thoughts I have liked
—I feel like his activity has dropped somewhat, but I think the volume of this game is also creating a bigger learning curve for him
I’m feeling pretty town about him and have for most of the game. If he ends up being scum it is going to break my heart.
Random side thing—Shad, you said that you had joined this site and then discovered mafia, so I can assume that WoT brought you to the site, is that correct? (There will be a followup question)

Seph
—Got a lot of pings and attention early on.
—Note that Yates defended him #1422, however that felt genuine regardless of what Yates ends up flipping
—Been doing a lot of casing and giving his own thoughts, and I’ve liked some of that.
Town lean


WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)—
—A lot of casing and thoughts and analysis I’ve liked and has seemed very straightforward
—Randomly noting that Wombat is posting a lot more than I remember him posting before, but that’s probably not indicative of anything, and it made me smile actually
—the amount of townie I’m feeling about them is making me cautious, because both of them can trick me.
Strong town lean


Csarmi
—Claimed: Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks
—Claimed early, which is normal for him but just because he has a claim doesn’t mean we can trust that claim
—Pressured Sooh for coming in an posting when she wasn’t being constructive, and then later had her fairly high on his reads list without any explanation
—Stuff with Darthe begins, but gives a few other posts for other people, sees Sooh as a solid villager in late D1
—Catfight with Darthe, then had the temporary emoquit
—Came in today acting silly (I just typed that as “sili” again >.> )which is allowed, but I got the feeling that he came in simply to gloat and was being the opposite of helpful on purpose, which is part of what goaded him about Darthe if memory serves…
Kind of leaning scum with him at this point. Has had some good posts, but they are kind of dwarfed by the not so good vibes I’m getting at this point
Have no meta with him though, so my reading of his vibes could be totally off.
Leaning Scum

 

 

TL;DR

Strong Town
Shad
Alanna

Town Lean
Wombocombo (could maybe move up)
Sili
NotBob
Zander
Seph
Eldrick
Talya

Scum Lean
Sooh
Csarmi

Strong Scum
Yates (something off here)
Dice (implications still need to be figured out--see above)
Thaneballs

 

 

 

So for now we shall [v]Therbal[/v]

Would like to hear from one/both of them before the lynch goes through though. 

 

Going to go watch a hallmark movie with my grandma now, but will probably pop in from time to time

 

 

 

This has to be the most confusing of posts. For me she seemed to be reading Thanballs32 as null...No big reasons for why she thinks he is wolf. And yet she really does not like the way Dice has been playing, and Yates she also thinks scum, but puts Thaneballs ahead of him.

 

To me the explanations don't match the list at the bottom and the sudden voting of Thaneballs. The day before she had him as town lean. This looks like voting the way that everyone else seems to be going. Also she might do this if she knew they would claim, she could then get off the vote. I think this was a another train that sprung up quickly. CS certainly backed off.

[Zander?]

ok so todays day 4

 

so N1

 

Alanna views Dice or Thaneballs

 

so N2 she views the other

 

so n3

 

she dies

 

how does she view Yates??

 

what am I missing.  did she not view Thaneballs?

[Eldrick4221]

Nice catch, Talya. That looks alike a null read to me too.

[Talya]

I figured out that Laine was the cop during EoD2. That's why I said she was solidly town to me.

 

I had assumed that she had peeked Therbal from the way she was pushing him all day, but it could have just been suspicion that solidified when he claimed.

 

It's clear that Verb figured out that she was the cop. I'm wary of the person that mentioned that the cop didn't die N2. I'm gonna go look up who that is.

 

She did vote Yates at one point, so I'm thinking she didn't. She really seemed to be very sure when he claimed cop, then she KNEW he was lying. And wasn't going to let go.

[Talya]

ok so todays day 4

 

so N1

 

Alanna views Dice or Thaneballs

 

so N2 she views the other

 

so n3

 

she dies

 

how does she view Yates??

 

what am I missing.  did she not view Thaneballs?

 

N1 views Dice

 

N2 views Yates (because she was unsure on both of them, and could have gone with either on day 2)

 

Zander see above for whether she read thaneballs or not. To be honest we don't know, but I'm not risking Yates, because I thinking it is highly likely that she did.

[Talya]

Nice catch, Talya. That looks alike a null read to me too.

 

Which post? lol

[Eldrick4221]

Oh. Right.

 

Welcome back, Seph!

[Zander?]

 

I figured out that Laine was the cop during EoD2. That's why I said she was solidly town to me.

 

I had assumed that she had peeked Therbal from the way she was pushing him all day, but it could have just been suspicion that solidified when he claimed.

 

It's clear that Verb figured out that she was the cop. I'm wary of the person that mentioned that the cop didn't die N2. I'm gonna go look up who that is.

 

She did vote Yates at one point, so I'm thinking she didn't. She really seemed to be very sure when he claimed cop, then she KNEW he was lying. And wasn't going to let go.

 

 

 

ok so todays day 4

 

so N1

 

Alanna views Dice or Thaneballs

 

so N2 she views the other

 

so n3

 

she dies

 

how does she view Yates??

 

what am I missing.  did she not view Thaneballs?

 

N1 views Dice

 

N2 views Yates (because she was unsure on both of them, and could have gone with either on day 2)

 

Zander see above for whether she read thaneballs or not. To be honest we don't know, but I'm not risking Yates, because I thinking it is highly likely that she did.

 

 

she was lynching thaneballs or yates at one point. she views thaneballs cause she doesnt really veer from that course the next day even before the claim.  and now Yates is gonna use this as cover.  im not buying it.

[Talya]

Heart does a list of those that are dead and their views.

 

 

 

 

Re: Yates under pressure:
—I felt pretty good about how you were through and after that situation.
—Something felt off about Talya’s posts concerning you.
———I remember someone being very impressed by Talya post #2347 but now I can’t find that response
—Sili saying what Yates “usually” does—not sure how I feel about it
—The whole thing with Aj was weird, and considering how you are both acting now, I’ll chalk it up to the type of weirdness that tends to happen with you two
—This doesn’t matter now, but I liked Shad’s critical thinking with it
And that is a section I will need to look at more closely when I’m more awake

6. Leelou - The Emperor - Mafia Godfather - Lynched D1
Green: Csarmi, Dice, Sili, Laine, Yates, Tayla, Eldrick
Light Green: Sooh, Notbob, Therbal, Zander
Null: Shad and Maw/Clov
Scum: me, Wombo, Durin and Seph
—went hard against me and Sooh fora while, let go of Sooh and kept on me for a while
I would agree with the conclusions many others have come to; me, Wombo and Sooh would be good people to look at in light of Leelou. She never really pursued Wombo much, though I do recall a post explaining how he seemed a bit scummy. She was far more interested in me and Sooh, and she had pressed Sooh and then later had her as town, which was rather drastic based on very little, so between the two of them, I’d prefer looking at Sooh.
Also, an interesting note: I’ve said before that she usually pushes me early when she’s scum—she normally pushes Talya too. I’m not sure if this is actually indicative of anything, but it’s worth noting.
Her solid greens aren’t confirmed yet (a couple cleared, but none confirmed) but she never really gave many reasons for any of her reads.
And her repeated unexplained defense of Dice is still sticking out to me.

Thaneballs32 - (Thane and Verbal) - Darth Maul - Roleblocker - Lynched D2
—“strong town reads” were themselves and leelou as green, dice as blue and Csarmi and Durin as “town”
—later strong town reads were dice, Eldrick, Yates, Sili, Leelou and was waffling about Csarmi and Durin
—during the questionable time, said Notbob, Shad, Yates and Sili stood out—also told Eldrick that he was “disappointed”
—was noted by Shad that Therbal had appeared to not like Darthe or Eldrick
Hard to look at any of this because of wifom, but it’s still odd to me that dice also was so inexplicably high.
Like I said in my last megapost—I’m not sure what I think about dice, Verbal and Leelou together, but it isn’t sitting with me right.

Mawthex/Clov - Admiral Ackbar - Vanilla Town - Killed N1
~Starting with Clov because Mawth’s reads had been rushed and was relatively uninformed so early in the game~
—Liked Eldrick right away
—said as of flip he’d probably see me, Seph and Durin as pretty much clear, Wombat’s vote was the worst and Laine was still a bit sketch, but developed reasons to like her too
—A lot of defending me
—voted NotBob
—seemed to like Yates overall but did point out oddities to play
In #3987, NotBob says that he killed Clov because he and Sili seemed like the best people to have coordinated something with Leelou right before her lynch
@NotBob—why Clov over Sili?
And while I’m asking you questions, why holster last night?

Shad (BFG) - Queen Amidala, Vanilla Town - Killed N2
—had interesting stuff on Sooh that I don’t think he ever ended up posting
—analyzed whether Verbal and Yates could both realistically be wolves
—Did not like the Yates lynch and thought critically about it
—Did not like Dice because of the fake claim thing
—#3565 reads; pretty sure wolf is among Aj, Yates and Verbal; doesn’t trust me or Sili entirely; Null on Sooh, likes me less than NotBob and Talya
Makes Sooh look “interesting,” another person not liking dice, and not sure what it means for the rest, possibly nothing
Most likely lynched due to being a pretty solid town player? Possibly other reasons, as we don’t know if this was a mafia or other kill

Seph - Ewok, Town Phoenix killed N3
—#4077 will fight for Talya
—#4088 feels like Thane marks Sili and shad
—#4099 reads list (clear are Alanna, Zander, Sili and Eldrick, Strong are Talya, Wombo, NotBob and me, less town are Shad and Dice
(*takes a moment to blink at those numbers*)
—had gotten a lot of attention early on, thoughts went a little everywhere
Feel slightly better about everyone on his town list, though he can be wrong as town. Feel slightly more better (too tired to English) about Sili as of #4088.
Was a fairly accepted town player, though a lot of people were looking at him critically still. Could have been killed for a multitude of reasons.

Durin (Turin and Darthe)—Killed N1 with no info
—Fairly accepted town in hindsight, but still a slight chance otherwise.
—#2115 ok with Clov, Eldrick and Yates, feel like Sooh got off too easily
—#2474 has me, Clov and Wombat as a wolf, thinks that Seph, Zander, Eldrick, himself, Laine, Shad, Dice, Csarmi, and Talya should never be lynched
—had been on me quite a bit vs. Clov, saw Clov’s points as reasonable.
Looking closer at Wombat and Sooh again
Would have been considered a threat to either side

Lemme post this so I can see it in color as I finish up reads…

 

 

[Eldrick4221]

I will put this in a spoiler..

 

 

 

 

Sili

—was ok with Sooh behavior as it happened; liked Sooh’s initial post better than mine because she knew it would probably look bad and did it anyway.

—Didn’t like Aj’s attention on Seph

—Gave a few thoughts here and there, more on the defensive in the early 90s pages

—#1975 says he doesn’t care about Leelou but Verb says she’s probably town voted Laine—later beat himself up for it

—gives reads in #2135 but says ten posts later that they aren’t worth much

—Looks at me Sooh based off of Leelou’s interactions with us, increasingly looking at Sooh

I feel like Sili hasn’t been fully present this game (as compared to my limited past experience), which isn’t alignment indicative necessarily, but doesn’t make me feel as confident in him as I would like to. Leaning town

 

 

Alannalynn

—defended those with busy lives early on, which I admit may be making me a bit biased about her

—has been giving a decent amount of thoughts and has been pretty wide spread about them

—the whole “taking out the hydras” thing was supposed to be a joke but is still rubbing me wrong

—Was the opposite train to Leelou on D1

She’s acting like a cleared town leader at this point, and she is one of my stronger town reads right now, and seems pretty invested in hunting at this point. Will allow to be a strong town read

 

 

Thaneballs32 (Thane and Verbal)

—beating a dead horse here, but I will note that there was very little noted.

—Verbal said multiple times dice and Leelou were town, but didn’t really substantiate any of reads that I noted, he was however very confident in his reads.

—I had absolutely nothing by Thane in my notes

—ISOing, he didn’t like Csarmi’s claim, various things that he doesn’t like or is wary of but nothing very substantial

Nothing of note, and both of them are capable of playing a much better game. Verbal is allowed to be wrong about Leelou, but he never gave any reasons for any of his reads and his reads didn’t really progress

 

NotBob

—popping in like usual, asking a question here and there, commentating, gave real thoughts when asked

—#3019 before wasn’t willing to vote uneducated at EoD (and it was EoD so maybe that is the factor here) and now he pops in and votes Thane though he’s not caught up, which I find interesting

No strong reason to like or dislike him at this point, so leaning town.

 

Sooh

—I noted early that she had more of her own thoughts than she had last game, though that has severely dropped off and she seems to only pop in every now and then

—Most of her pop ins have been defending or explaining herself since, and I feel like she’s having decreased strength

—a few of her posts have pinged, a few of them I have liked

—Looks a little more scummy in light of Leelou; I can see Leelou doing distancing like that, and that situation felt strange to me.

Going to put leaning scum at this point. I’d like to hear more from her on her thoughts on everyone.

 

Zander

—There have been a few times when he’s popped in with something random

—were a few reads and such that I didn’t like at the beginning, but his reads have been somewhat organic.

—Has been doing a lot of casing and giving thoughts.

Town Lean

 

Eldrick

—Noted a lot of posts I like

—Is maintaining that I’m not clear when a lot of other people are considering me clear, which I don’t think a wolf would necessarily do right now (wouldn’t want to draw attention to themselves by stating an opinion that is contradictory and may draw attention to themselves)

—I appreciated the direction he was going with the VC + Leelou’s list. Looking for new ways to poke out scum is ok

Town Lean

 

Talya

—I feel like I have a very little amount of feel or memory for someone I have so many notes on

—I had a town lean on her early in the game

—Her thoughts and reads have been very different from others’ in this game, which could mean many things. It is good that she isn’t just going with the crowed, and isn’t afraid to be unpopular with others (which she has been)

—2347 Yates quote pointing out how little wolf hunting he has done which others really like

I’m not seeing strong reasons to like or dislike her either, so another slight town lean

 

Yates

—Once again, a dead horse.

—Didn’t like some seph things, didn’t like some of the early votes

—Gave a few reads, made a case on Durin, defended seph against Zander at one point, didn’t like Sooh’s post.

—a lot of stuff is either jokey or math talk in his ISO

—I have liked quite a few of his posts, and I also know that life has been busy for him which I can empathize with, but there has also been a lot more talking without actually saying anything than usual, and that feels a bit off to me.

I can agree with the scum read, though the Therbal one is stronger for me. I feel much more conflicted about labeling him scummy for whatever reason (it may just be because he’s one of the people that I’m always inclined to feel more nebulous about), however at this point we could also get a good deal of information from his lynch. Would like to hear more from him before death though.

He’s sort of like a high strong scum…? Idk, something here is off for me and I don’t like it

 

Dice

—Tunnelled on the Wolf read day one

—Was defended by leelou and Verbal with no explanation

—note that he saw verbal as townie (was past tense in the post) and Yates

+As an added bonus, is pushing me now, and I’m not all that fond of the case. Others feeling I’m not cleared is more understandable, but I feel like he’s kind of reaching with his casing (re #2706, I had said 3rd party NK in response to whatever Shad’s theory was about a doc protect or what not, the post about the Janitor possibility had ninja’d. Was half asleep and knew there was a role that stripped all info away, but couldn’t remember the specifics of it. I think I only ever played one game with a janitor, and if I did it was a long time ago and in that game it was weird, so the impression wasn’t that strong.) (Then #2963—I had joke-voted Leelou. Later on when I attempted to vote you but forgot to unvote her, she was still very scummy in my opinion, but I figured your lynch would give me info on her. Then I found out that I had forgot to unvote, but my vote was on someone who I still believed to be scummy, and someone who was far more likely to actually get lynched at that point, and the other train was partially built on something that was a false impression. Why would I change my vote?) (Next?)

I have not liked Dice’s game, and I continue to not. A lot of other people have been fine with it, though I need to go back through and see exactly who at this point.

Now, what would that mean? Leelou, dice and Verbal were all mafia, and they all defended each other with the exception of dice defending Leelou (noted that he saw her as somewhat scummy)? That doesn’t seem likely. I’m not certain of the implications/thoughts here, but I feel like lynching Therbal could give a bit more info here too.

 

 

Shad

—A lot of analyzing lists, making cases, giving thoughts, and going for things that he sees as scummy

—A lot of giving thoughts and a lot of thoughts I have liked

—I feel like his activity has dropped somewhat, but I think the volume of this game is also creating a bigger learning curve for him

I’m feeling pretty town about him and have for most of the game. If he ends up being scum it is going to break my heart.

Random side thing—Shad, you said that you had joined this site and then discovered mafia, so I can assume that WoT brought you to the site, is that correct? (There will be a followup question)

 

Seph

—Got a lot of pings and attention early on.

—Note that Yates defended him #1422, however that felt genuine regardless of what Yates ends up flipping

—Been doing a lot of casing and giving his own thoughts, and I’ve liked some of that.

Town lean

 

 

WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)—

—A lot of casing and thoughts and analysis I’ve liked and has seemed very straightforward

—Randomly noting that Wombat is posting a lot more than I remember him posting before, but that’s probably not indicative of anything, and it made me smile actually

—the amount of townie I’m feeling about them is making me cautious, because both of them can trick me.

Strong town lean

 

 

Csarmi

—Claimed: Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks

—Claimed early, which is normal for him but just because he has a claim doesn’t mean we can trust that claim

—Pressured Sooh for coming in an posting when she wasn’t being constructive, and then later had her fairly high on his reads list without any explanation

—Stuff with Darthe begins, but gives a few other posts for other people, sees Sooh as a solid villager in late D1

—Catfight with Darthe, then had the temporary emoquit

—Came in today acting silly (I just typed that as “sili” again >.> )which is allowed, but I got the feeling that he came in simply to gloat and was being the opposite of helpful on purpose, which is part of what goaded him about Darthe if memory serves…

Kind of leaning scum with him at this point. Has had some good posts, but they are kind of dwarfed by the not so good vibes I’m getting at this point

Have no meta with him though, so my reading of his vibes could be totally off.

Leaning Scum

 

 

TL;DR

 

Strong Town

Shad

Alanna

 

Town Lean

Wombocombo (could maybe move up)

Sili

NotBob

Zander

Seph

Eldrick

Talya

 

Scum Lean

Sooh

Csarmi

 

Strong Scum

Yates (something off here)

Dice (implications still need to be figured out--see above)

Thaneballs

 

 

 

So for now we shall [v]Therbal[/v]

Would like to hear from one/both of them before the lynch goes through though. 

 

Going to go watch a hallmark movie with my grandma now, but will probably pop in from time to time

 

 

 

This has to be the most confusing of posts. For me she seemed to be reading Thanballs32 as null...No big reasons for why she thinks he is wolf. And yet she really does not like the way Dice has been playing, and Yates she also thinks scum, but puts Thaneballs ahead of him.

 

To me the explanations don't match the list at the bottom and the sudden voting of Thaneballs. The day before she had him as town lean. This looks like voting the way that everyone else seems to be going. Also she might do this if she knew they would claim, she could then get off the vote. I think this was a another train that sprung up quickly. CS certainly backed off.

I somehow completely missed some current posts. Your asking me which post confused me. This post.

[Eldrick4221]

Did Laine have reason to think Heart was town besides the fact the Heart defended her D1?

[Zander?]

Heart does a list of those that are dead and their views.

 

 

 

 

Re: Yates under pressure:

—I felt pretty good about how you were through and after that situation.

—Something felt off about Talya’s posts concerning you.

———I remember someone being very impressed by Talya post #2347 but now I can’t find that response

—Sili saying what Yates “usually” does—not sure how I feel about it

—The whole thing with Aj was weird, and considering how you are both acting now, I’ll chalk it up to the type of weirdness that tends to happen with you two

—This doesn’t matter now, but I liked Shad’s critical thinking with it

And that is a section I will need to look at more closely when I’m more awake

 

6. Leelou - The Emperor - Mafia Godfather - Lynched D1

Green: Csarmi, Dice, Sili, Laine, Yates, Tayla, Eldrick

Light Green: Sooh, Notbob, Therbal, Zander

Null: Shad and Maw/Clov

Scum: me, Wombo, Durin and Seph

—went hard against me and Sooh fora while, let go of Sooh and kept on me for a while

I would agree with the conclusions many others have come to; me, Wombo and Sooh would be good people to look at in light of Leelou. She never really pursued Wombo much, though I do recall a post explaining how he seemed a bit scummy. She was far more interested in me and Sooh, and she had pressed Sooh and then later had her as town, which was rather drastic based on very little, so between the two of them, I’d prefer looking at Sooh.

Also, an interesting note: I’ve said before that she usually pushes me early when she’s scum—she normally pushes Talya too. I’m not sure if this is actually indicative of anything, but it’s worth noting.

Her solid greens aren’t confirmed yet (a couple cleared, but none confirmed) but she never really gave many reasons for any of her reads.

And her repeated unexplained defense of Dice is still sticking out to me.

 

Thaneballs32 - (Thane and Verbal) - Darth Maul - Roleblocker - Lynched D2

—“strong town reads” were themselves and leelou as green, dice as blue and Csarmi and Durin as “town”

—later strong town reads were dice, Eldrick, Yates, Sili, Leelou and was waffling about Csarmi and Durin

—during the questionable time, said Notbob, Shad, Yates and Sili stood out—also told Eldrick that he was “disappointed”

—was noted by Shad that Therbal had appeared to not like Darthe or Eldrick

Hard to look at any of this because of wifom, but it’s still odd to me that dice also was so inexplicably high.

Like I said in my last megapost—I’m not sure what I think about dice, Verbal and Leelou together, but it isn’t sitting with me right.

 

Mawthex/Clov - Admiral Ackbar - Vanilla Town - Killed N1

~Starting with Clov because Mawth’s reads had been rushed and was relatively uninformed so early in the game~

—Liked Eldrick right away

—said as of flip he’d probably see me, Seph and Durin as pretty much clear, Wombat’s vote was the worst and Laine was still a bit sketch, but developed reasons to like her too

—A lot of defending me

—voted NotBob

—seemed to like Yates overall but did point out oddities to play

In #3987, NotBob says that he killed Clov because he and Sili seemed like the best people to have coordinated something with Leelou right before her lynch

@NotBob—why Clov over Sili?

And while I’m asking you questions, why holster last night?

 

Shad (BFG) - Queen Amidala, Vanilla Town - Killed N2

—had interesting stuff on Sooh that I don’t think he ever ended up posting

—analyzed whether Verbal and Yates could both realistically be wolves

—Did not like the Yates lynch and thought critically about it

—Did not like Dice because of the fake claim thing

—#3565 reads; pretty sure wolf is among Aj, Yates and Verbal; doesn’t trust me or Sili entirely; Null on Sooh, likes me less than NotBob and Talya

Makes Sooh look “interesting,” another person not liking dice, and not sure what it means for the rest, possibly nothing

Most likely lynched due to being a pretty solid town player? Possibly other reasons, as we don’t know if this was a mafia or other kill

 

Seph - Ewok, Town Phoenix killed N3

—#4077 will fight for Talya

—#4088 feels like Thane marks Sili and shad

—#4099 reads list (clear are Alanna, Zander, Sili and Eldrick, Strong are Talya, Wombo, NotBob and me, less town are Shad and Dice

(*takes a moment to blink at those numbers*)

—had gotten a lot of attention early on, thoughts went a little everywhere

Feel slightly better about everyone on his town list, though he can be wrong as town. Feel slightly more better (too tired to English) about Sili as of #4088.

Was a fairly accepted town player, though a lot of people were looking at him critically still. Could have been killed for a multitude of reasons.

 

Durin (Turin and Darthe)—Killed N1 with no info

—Fairly accepted town in hindsight, but still a slight chance otherwise.

—#2115 ok with Clov, Eldrick and Yates, feel like Sooh got off too easily

—#2474 has me, Clov and Wombat as a wolf, thinks that Seph, Zander, Eldrick, himself, Laine, Shad, Dice, Csarmi, and Talya should never be lynched

—had been on me quite a bit vs. Clov, saw Clov’s points as reasonable.

Looking closer at Wombat and Sooh again

Would have been considered a threat to either side

 

Lemme post this so I can see it in color as I finish up reads…

 

 

 

Notice how BOTH scum have Yates as town reads??!!! like i dont know....Hiding him in there!!! he wasnt consensus town by any means at that point!!

[Talya]

 

 

Sili

I’m finding myself agreeing with dice; I’ve seen Sili normally make much more of an impression, and the lack of it this game is making me question, plus he’s also seemed more on the defensive and dodging more than is normal in my experience.
However, there have also been many posts I’ve noted as liking by him, he is analyzing and he’s seeming to act more normal now (pressure or time causing, it’s hard to say). In addition, nothing is jumping out of me in my skim of his ISO, and he looks a slightly better in light of my last post, though there are a lot of mixed reads there too

Alannalynn
Was a little reckless in her certainty last night, has been kind of cruising now but still is informed in what is going on and acting cleared. Will keep her town.
—Question: have you done those investigations yet and have you any new thoughts?

NotBob
Claims Vig (N1 kill Clov(?), N2 holster)
Ok actually the exact wording was that he did not shoot. (Had forgotten about that until just now)
Coming in and being a little more active in the game now, was still just commentating for a while.
A few questionable things, like posting to show that he was there without actually giving thoughts to the situation at hand, and also the difference in voting while being caught up D1 vs D1. Have a good feeling about him right now (but I’ve said that before…)
So, along the former line of questioning:
—Why Clov over Sili?
—Why holster last night?
—Anything else you would be willing to tell us regarding your claim?

Sooh (Mentored by Pizza)
Once again, started out the game with a few more of her own independent thoughts, and I saw a few more of those come today, which I liked. Has been showing some of her pop in, pop out behavior.
There are two common reasons to her being looked at, one being her activity, and two being the situation with Leelou. Shad also had some “interesting” stuff on Sooh which I don’t remember being posted, and then Durin had noted that they felt like Sooh had gotten off easy. A span of reads are on her right now, so if nothing else, she would at least be an informative lynch.

Zander
Since my last post, has been doing a lot of analyzing, looking at the possible combinations of scum, trying to solve in my opinion. Is also acting fairly cleared, and I think he’s reacted to the bit of pressure he’s gotten well. Considered basically clear by many, including those in the above post

Eldrick
He’s been giving a lot of thoughts on specific people and giving lots of reads, and also trying to solve. Something’s felt funny about him though, and I’m not sure what. Pretty townie looking through the eyes of the dead though.

Talya
I feel like I remember far too little about Talya’s play. Analyzed Yates when he was one of the people of interest, been a lot of commentating with some analysis thrown in. Will need to ISO when I’m awake.
Looking at my last post, lot of passed townies supported her (though I don’t remember strong reasons why…) and the only thing there that gives me pause is that Leelou usually pushes her too (might have been waiting for a different day though… Or just trying to be atypical)

Yates
Claims C-3PO
Been feeling better to me since he’s been able to post more. I felt decent about the way he responded to the pressure as well.
Need to look at the EoD2 stuff better when more awake.

Dice
Felt like he was trying to deflect attention in the early #3300s, Has done some analysis that I like today, can’t say I’m fond of the way he’s gone about a few things though. There’s a couple of his posts that I’ve marked that I need to look at closer lately, and now is not the time to do that.
Still don’t like him in terms of Therbal and Leelou, but still need to hash out that one with myself as well. Will lift to a lean until I can look at closer

WomboCombo (Wombat and Andrej)
Theres all the stuff EoD2 that I need to look at closer (#4342 concerning that felt off to me)
Have liked a lot of their posts over time
Could warrant a look at due to placement on Leelou’s and Durin’s lists

Csarmi
Claims Hated—requires one less vote to be lynched—Jar Jar Binks
Some giving thoughts, analyzing a few of the actions. Could very well be town, just going about it in a way that isn’t very helpful
#4215 Based on ISOs, moved Dice up to blue and Sooh slightly down to blue/green.
—What was in their ISOs to cause this change (sort of explained Sooh in post but explain dice?)



Want to see what others say and also get some sleep—will expand a few of those and answer questions tomorrow afternoon.
Right now I think a Sooh lynch would be best. 


 

 

 

 

 

 

Says here she could go with a Sooh lynch, but doesn't really have her as wolf, just that she feels it would be very informative :/