[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

Thane Vakarian · June 22, 2015

another one? by the old gods and the new, do you realize how many i went through already today? *desperation*

Thane Vakarian · June 22, 2015

Thane, what do you think of my PoE?

could you pull it out for me? i'll look at it when i get home

Zander? · June 22, 2015

@ Csarmi

who is on your WTL today list?

Thane Vakarian · June 22, 2015

laterz all

Zander? · June 22, 2015

cya Thane

csarmi · June 22, 2015

@ Csarmi

who is on your WTL today list?

dunno

Not lynching:

Sili, Sooh, Seph, Shad

Laine, AJ, Dice

The rest, I suppose.

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

Heart: Thanks Heart for your thoughts! I like your thoughts on Dice, he was slipping under my radar, I'll take a second look at him when I come around to it (still need to look over Sooh* reminder).

Yates, you're not as scary as you seem, but this post is strangely foreboding. Curiosity killed the cat... how will you be cleared? I hate half reveals

Post One, Post Two Shad second guessing the town... betrayer. But on a serious note, feeling slightly better on Yates, but I'll withhold judgement until he's all caught up and tells me what he thinks about Verbane.

Outspoken doesn't equal running the show, Shad.

I think the wolf team was frankly caught off guard by Leelou getting killed so her posts are extremely valuable. Take those and compare with how she handled players. Verb and Yates are easily wolves thru POE like 90% of the time. The evidence is ITT

+ +

The fact Yates is immediately deciding that those voting him are scum is telling.

He's establishing a scenario where it must be me/Talya or him without even being caught up.

It's wolfy AF, don't buy into the fake confidence. Yates is pretty much just outing himself ITT and Shad wants to clear him lol

Andrej is coming off a little strong, but I think he probably has Yates at a higher scum % than I do right now, I actually like the pressure being applied, helpful in the long run

Shad being odd. Still town but odd.

First - I would like to point out that AJ and Dice are probably the two people that read me best.

It's important that you understand the above so you can see why THIS is basically a scum claim:

Let me expound. Wolves sort of notoriously have to play less because they aren't able to fake the same consistency or genuineness as their villager sides. Yates and Verb are both very capable players but like most they suffer from wolf syndrome. They are capable of making villager-like posts/analysis in short bursts but the overall lack of presence is the key in finding them.
NOPE.

I drive the bus as scum 9 times out of 10. He knows this. The 10th time? It's because Cory is my scum bro and more prolific than me. Case in point; my last full scum game was 9-5 Mafia.

cory caboose 377
Darthe 273
manbat 201
Yates 163
seph 116
Sooh 115
Zander 113
Clovdyx 108
Turin Turambar 99
dicetosser1 70
Ithillian 58
TinaHel 57
ReleaseTheEvil 56
BFG 33
Leyrann 23
Shadar Alantin 9
Songstress 3
Mrs. Cindy Gill 2
Kaylee 1
csarmi 1
Andrej 1

Pretty much anyone else here who has ever seen me scum will back me up on this.

[v]AJ[/v]

Without even reading the thread I can tell you my vote is unlikely to move unless Leelou somehow spewed this slot Town.

Yates, you're wrong on AJ, he's been a town presence since night 1? Day 2? Anyways, I'm hoping I'm right on this. Unless you can show me evidence on the contrary. fwiw, I'm also reading Wombat town, and I read him a lot better than Andrej. I really dislike your vote here, feels kinda.... omgus

Yates can basically drive himself to the hangman imo.

You're right - I DO read you well. I don't see you helping the village this game. Is it your schedule? Possibly. That's on you to fix though. I literally spent most of my weekend getting up to date in this game to have an impact.

Once again - you're deciding I am scum without even being current and THAT is a huge issue because villa!Yates knows the importance of informed decisions. The last time I saw you as scum in Darthe's SK game I caught you on this because you decided to vote me when you replaced in while also claiming not to be up to date.

Likewise when you say I read you well, you have stated to do the same with me. Deciding I'm a wolf before reading into my properly is a huge problem and one I doubt you make as a villager.

GL though. You should probably realize you don't have the credibility to come in and throw around these type of accusations but carry on regardless, fleabag.

Shad post: Shad being open minded and townie or riding the fence?

goodmorning people.. i'm in, not enough cofee, 3 hours of sleep after a weekend with hardly any internet. 50 pages isn't too bad to catch up to (@work)

Anything special going on?

Nah nothing you need to worry about.

<3

Also, lol me. I *JUST* realized Thaneballs is lead wagon, not me.

You're clear for at least another day, Yates.

Laine is village leader atm.

:huh:

First post from our known wolf. Goldmine of info here.

The comment about hating CS claiming but pegging him town is pretty clearing imo. Bank on that. Even without reading the rest of the thread I would probably bet at this point none of Leelou's WTL in the last sentence are wolf partners. So Heart, Sooh and Seph prob clear.

The thing you should pay most attention to is her nulls imo. Scum like to do this because they recognize they can't just ignore their partners but tend to try and say little about them. Food for thought moving forward.
Bold is spot on but why did you make the underlined a generic "scum do this" statement? This is Leelou. Leelou puts her buddies in the nulls or bottom of her "Town lean" lists. Most importantly, though, her strong Town reads are almost ALWAYS Town. She's a buddier.

So her last reads list looked like this:

Townie leans
Salami - claimed Jar Jar - hated
Dice
Sili
Laine
Yates
Talya
Eldrick
Sooh
NotBob
ThaneBalls32
Zander

Null
Shad
Maw

Scummy leans
Aiel <3
Wombocombo
Durin
Seph

I am going to [unvote] for now. I feel slightly better about Heart, not thrilled with her vote though and a few of her reasonings. I want to mull over my scum leans before voting again.

Basically, anyone in dark green is spewed Town.

I'll look at her interactions during catch up to see which of her scum reads look fake and which look like mislynch attempts but at least one of the scum leans will be a buddy. Especially as a GF.

I like Yates knowledge

Agreed, but this day has been wonderfully productive towards finding other scum. I wouldn't press too close to 8 until we've miked what we can out of the current events.

Townie post.

Yates while you're catching up, thoughts on verbal/thane?
Dude, I'm 100 pages [not posts] behind. Based solely on Leelou spew? I'm okay with them in the poe. I'll have a better idea likely this time tomorrow.

With that? I need to get some sleep.

Don't dude me, dude. Since you're reading the thread anyways, some attention to Verbane would be nice? I want to make sure we're going in the right direction... fresh eyes and all that.

zander i wanna see thane. I thought Verb was decently townie tho there was the lack of interaction between him and leelou.

yates im leaning town on

Nope. And why? Defend your read

I liked his tone when he was here. He was doing Yates things.

I would go for csarmi once we're done with verbane and Yates.. Again, it's not setting up lynches if they're obv scum lol

Actually it is. and this is the second time you've said this.

Good Yates things? Bad Yates things? This feels too similar to "Darthe being Darthe' which isn't much of an answer. Defend him if you will, please, but give reasons and examples.

Second point: Yes, that's because I know how people like to spin things.

/snip

I'm going to tunnel the crap out of Yates and Verbane, y'all have no clue yet.

First rule of Lynch All Hydras is to lynch Thaneballs, second rule is to let WomboCombo live because by that point you've already hit scum

Why are you assuming they can't both be?

/snip

I would go for csarmi once we're done with verbane and Yates.. Again, it's not setting up lynches if they're obv scum lol

Why are you worried about looking like you're setting up lynches?

/snip

Because we're assuming Durin was town with the janitor kill, and Womdrej is playing a pretty town game now; I'm 100% confident that there's a scum hydra. If 2/3 is cleared, then Thanbal must be it.

Secondly... because things shouldn't be this easy and in the event of a miracle that they flip town, then I'm going to be attacked for that reason exactly. Also, confidence is key.

and i was feeling so good about you Eldrick... you're the only one more or less questioning to what nearly everybody decided on is the way to go, and then you still vote with the others.

I've tried to read everything up untill now, and i'm pretty sure i must have missed something on the way here.

Alanna has firmly taken control of town it seems, and players find it easy to follow her. To be honest, a bit too easy to my liking. It seems to me that nobody even considers the possibility of Verbal/me actually being town. When we flip town, what then?

Here's to hoping that Verb actually gets in before someone decides to hammer.

I dont know if he's town or mafia yet but I do agree with the blue. I have been thinking that today.

Thane applies doubt, Dice reaffirms doubt. You got a problem with me Dice?

Also, Thane if you and your hydra partner were playing a town game, people might be defending the notion that you're town. At this point, basically consensus scum.

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

I tried to trim down the quotes and link the ones that were unnecessary sorry for the messssss :unsure:

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

@ Csarmi

who is on your WTL today list?

dunno

Not lynching:

Sili, Sooh, Seph, Shad

Laine, AJ, Dice

The rest, I suppose.

So not lynching anyone whose name starts with an 'S' or 'A'

That leaves: Zander, Heart, Eldrick, NB, Talya, Yates, Verbane

Sooh · June 22, 2015

Whoa and a half guys! 30 pages since I left off last night.

Can I ask that we don't rush this though? I was kinda stupid in Mass Effect and taunted Verb to vote for me early, and that really hurt town because they could have gotten so much more information in that day phase. I would also like to hear from them both (or all three of them) before a lynch happens.

At this point I'm going to go back to read at least those two in ISO, and I'm sorta with Alannalynn in that if that's where we're sure to find mafia, that's the way we should go.

Sili - I thought I explained fairly well why I didn't find Heart scummy until later. Do you need me to go over it again? Because I will if it helps you.

At some point during this day phase I want to go over and make a reads list again, but I am feeling confident in quite a few town reads now, and that's good. I feel like we're doing well here.

I want to hear that reads list and more than just this one post

Hi all. I apologize for making this brief appearance yesterday. My internet was horrible all day. I could barely open a webpage without having to refresh several times and those of you who saw me on skype yesterday know how annoyed I was by my internet.

Im on page 50 and no. Verbal is the lynch. Sooh is just my pet project.

I should be flattered, shouldn't I? lol

Here now while gathering my reads lists.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

morning sooh.

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

Also HI Zander, I saw your post a page(?) back but didn't respond. What are your thoughts right now?

Sooh · June 22, 2015

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

Yeah I won't. Bad if we maj too quickly.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Also HI Zander, I saw your post a page(?) back but didn't respond. What are your thoughts right now?

im thinking Thaneballs looks like the way to go atp. Csarmi has pinged a 100 times or so and I want to resolve this after THaneballs. Id like to see Yates give us more but im not feeling a t vs t with him and AJ.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

i agree with this but do you think anything he says stops this train?

alannalynn · June 22, 2015

Also HI Zander, I saw your post a page(?) back but didn't respond. What are your thoughts right now?

im thinking Thaneballs looks like the way to go atp. Csarmi has pinged a 100 times or so and I want to resolve this after THaneballs. Id like to see Yates give us more but im not feeling a t vs t with him and AJ.

I want to see Yates/AJ resolved before I make a decision Yates' alignment, actually. Csarmi is meh for me, I can see him both ways so.

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

i agree with this but do you think anything he says stops this train?

Not really but I would feel bad lynching Verbal without him getting a chance to defend.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

Yeah I won't. Bad if we maj too quickly.

it sounds like you know this from experience,,,,,*cough im sorry cough*

and why why is Cory's how to read Sooh from now on logic making me worry about you?

csarmi · June 22, 2015

Also HI Zander, I saw your post a page(?) back but didn't respond. What are your thoughts right now?

im thinking Thaneballs looks like the way to go atp. Csarmi has pinged a 100 times or so and I want to resolve this after THaneballs. Id like to see Yates give us more but im not feeling a t vs t with him and AJ.

Stop fixating on me man. I'm way out of my scum range.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Also HI Zander, I saw your post a page(?) back but didn't respond. What are your thoughts right now?

im thinking Thaneballs looks like the way to go atp. Csarmi has pinged a 100 times or so and I want to resolve this after THaneballs. Id like to see Yates give us more but im not feeling a t vs t with him and AJ.

I want to see Yates/AJ resolved before I make a decision Yates' alignment, actually. Csarmi is meh for me, I can see him both ways so.

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

i agree with this but do you think anything he says stops this train?

Not really but I would feel bad lynching Verbal without him getting a chance to defend.

Verb;s certainly not playing like ME and his whole Leelou defense/town read is a really bad look for him imo. Neither slot has looked good as well.

Sooh · June 22, 2015

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

Yeah I won't. Bad if we maj too quickly.

it sounds like you know this from experience,,,,,*cough im sorry cough*

and why why is Cory's how to read Sooh from now on logic making me worry about you?

How about just read me for me?

I was looking for a vote count. Is Thaneballs at like L-2 now?

csarmi · June 22, 2015

@Zander - you might as well tell me what pings you however cause I'm quite baffled.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Also HI Zander, I saw your post a page(?) back but didn't respond. What are your thoughts right now?

im thinking Thaneballs looks like the way to go atp. Csarmi has pinged a 100 times or so and I want to resolve this after THaneballs. Id like to see Yates give us more but im not feeling a t vs t with him and AJ.

Stop fixating on me man. I'm way out of my scum range.

Do stuff that will allow me to.

I have no meta with you so 2nd part is kinda null to me.

And I don't back off till its proven that I should and your far from there imo.

Zander? · June 22, 2015

Good morning Sooh: btw, reads would be nice but don't add to the Verbane train until we hear from the other head.

Yeah I won't. Bad if we maj too quickly.

it sounds like you know this from experience,,,,,*cough im sorry cough*

and why why is Cory's how to read Sooh from now on logic making me worry about you?

How about just read me for me?

I was looking for a vote count. Is Thaneballs at like L-2 now?

im trying real hard to and yes they are.

csarmi · June 22, 2015

Also HI Zander, I saw your post a page(?) back but didn't respond. What are your thoughts right now?

im thinking Thaneballs looks like the way to go atp. Csarmi has pinged a 100 times or so and I want to resolve this after THaneballs. Id like to see Yates give us more but im not feeling a t vs t with him and AJ.

Stop fixating on me man. I'm way out of my scum range.

Do stuff that will allow me to.

I have no meta with you so 2nd part is kinda null to me.

And I don't back off till its proven that I should and your far from there imo.

Make a case and I'll answer your points. Pretty busy though.

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