[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

[Thane Vakarian]

 

at least you're being honest about wanting to lynch me. I'll do what i can to step up though. 

 

care to share what's going on in your head? Clearly, i'm not the only suspect

 

Eh, when I think I have a good case I make it, like I did with Leelou.  I've got seven puzzle pieces I'm pushing around but one of them fits every single slot without looking quite right in any.  It's confounding.

 

are you always this vague? i did think that my question wouldn't be so hard to answer..

 

*grabs more coffee and continues catch up*

[Shad_]

 

 

i kinda was hoping that Verbal would be in this weekend, but i was wrong. 

 

I'll do what i can to catch up and pitch in *nods* I like to win as well, so we agree on that, Shad. 

 

Now that you're here: who'd you go for, and who should i look at during my re-read (on page119 atm) ?

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "go for".

 

 

go for, as in: who's your top suspect at the moment

It was clearly a slip. Your mentality is to convince him to lynch someone not you. *nods*

 

 

Oh Sili, always the joker.

[Shad_]

 

 

at least you're being honest about wanting to lynch me. I'll do what i can to step up though. 

 

care to share what's going on in your head? Clearly, i'm not the only suspect

 

Eh, when I think I have a good case I make it, like I did with Leelou.  I've got seven puzzle pieces I'm pushing around but one of them fits every single slot without looking quite right in any.  It's confounding.

 

are you always this vague? i did think that my question wouldn't be so hard to answer..

 

*grabs more coffee and continues catch up*

 

 

What page are you on again?

[Thane Vakarian]

123, progress is slow, seeing it's busy at work (sorry about that). I'm just trying to get this game figured out, and any help is appreciated, really.

[Sili Quirrels]

What do you mean!?

 

For the record, I am being  completely serious. *nods*

[Sili Quirrels]

my mentality would be for him to lynch a wolf, Sili. Care to share who your suspects are at the moment, while you're here? i would appreciate some input here.

AH

 

Sooh, you, yates.

[Sili Quirrels]

i'm a little miffed you've forgotten though.

[Thane Vakarian]

yeah, sorry.. i try to be in the thread, catch up and work at the same time on 3 hours of sleep.... 

[Shad_]

 

my mentality would be for him to lynch a wolf, Sili. Care to share who your suspects are at the moment, while you're here? i would appreciate some input here.

AH

 

Sooh, you, yates.

 

 

Curious, do you think Sooh and AH can be w/w?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

my mentality would be for him to lynch a wolf, Sili. Care to share who your suspects are at the moment, while you're here? i would appreciate some input here.

AH

 

Sooh, you, yates.

 

 

Curious, do you think Sooh and AH can be w/w?

 

Ah*

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Home now. Catching up.

 

Zander. don't care if you MQ or not, but can you please make it easier to read. Knowing who you are referencing, and what parts are you commenting would be very helpful. I eventually figured it out, but your posts took way too long to read.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

my mentality would be for him to lynch a wolf, Sili. Care to share who your suspects are at the moment, while you're here? i would appreciate some input here.

AH

 

Sooh, you, yates.

 

 

Curious, do you think Sooh and AH can be w/w?

 

Ah*

 

 

lulz

[dicetosser1]

 

zander  i wanna see thane. I thought Verb was decently townie  tho there was the lack of interaction between him and leelou.

 

yates im leaning town on

Nope. And why? Defend your read

 

 

I liked his tone when he was here. He was doing Yates things.

 

I would go for csarmi once we're done with verbane and Yates.. Again, it's not setting up lynches if they're obv scum lol

 

Actually it is. and this is the second time you've said this.

 

 

 

prob it sili

 

Dice u so salty 

 

Relax man..  Not only are you getting worked up over this but you didn't even have a good argument to work off of in the first place, you've just kind of spiraled out of reason because your argument got treated as stupid as it frankly was.

 

Go tell Tommy how stupid it is.

feels genuine. Town or indy i guess.

 

 

Town not indy

 

I'm looking for the AJ post on Leelou and came across this:

Clov is a weird mafia kill imo - if I had to guess I may lean towards him being a vig kill for how he ran interference to Leelou's wagon yesterday and someone was feeling ballsy with their hero shot.

 

Darthe looks to be jan'd, so [v]I'd assume mafia thought he was a PR that they now have info on that won't be CC'd later on.[/b]

What makes you think the scum would know Darthe's role if he was janitored? I've only been on a team with a janitor once [i think on MS] and we weren't given info.

 

 

this is a point. I also saw Verbals comment regarding this. I have seen both. Basically I think we should simply assume they janitored the role and that they have all the info on Darthe. Conjecture of which info or any they have is useless really.

 

And?

 

I'm calling you out on your moves as make them.

 

How about you dont. Let him make his points and then pull it apart. Otherwise he will never get done and we will get bogged down

 

 

 

Also a point AJ  you know how you said he'd read you in depth because he is a good reader of you? (im paraphrasing)  i actually think the opposite. Hed kinda skim you if town because he picks you up easy. If you were weird or something not adding up THEN he'd read you in depth.

[Eldrick4221]

it clear now seph?

 

Also it means mafia now have a perfect fake claim at their disposal too

 

I don't like that you know how the role that cleaned Durin works. Feels like inside information, and looks really bad for you.

 

 

Its called experience Eldrick. Knowing roles and how they work are part of the game. I flubbed understanding the Hider role last game and lost because of it.

 

 

That is an acceptable reason, but I am still wary of it.

 

I'm going to tunnel the crap out of Yates and Verbane, y'all have no clue yet.

 

First rule of Lynch All Hydras is to lynch Thaneballs, second rule is to let WomboCombo live because by that point you've already hit scum

 

Why are you assuming they can't both be?

 

 

 

Ok. Now for some facts. Here is Leelou's latest reads list, matched up with Day 1's vote count.

 

Everyone that Leelou was scum-reading is voting her. There is scum in those 4.

 

 

How are you getting that?  That reads list came about 12 hours before the final VC.

 

 

I matched her most current reads list with the VC. The reads list happened to be 12 hours before the VC. I haven't read those 12 hours yet (I'll be doing that next), and don't know how her reads changed in that time.

 

Just no.

 

I'm not going to trend you down just for the sake of making bad arguments, but the line you're taking here probably isn't going to find any scum so in the end you are just wasting time and making yourself look bad while doing it.

 

You are taking an arbitrary reason for why we are all scum (Leelou's placement of us in her reads list) and disregarding the actual game content and how she treated each individual slot while she was alive. In other words - it's crap.

 

I'm not worried about looking bad for doing this. It's something I was contemplating all through the night phase. And I believe it has a higher chance of finding scum than you apparently do, which is why I brought it up to begin with.

 

I would go for csarmi once we're done with verbane and Yates.. Again, it's not setting up lynches if they're obv scum lol

 

Why are you worried about looking like you're setting up lynches?

 

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT       

 

Yates(2): Talya, WomboCombo

 

So... Once I'm caught up I'll decide which of you isn't seeing Day 3.  I'll also be confirmed Town on Day 3.  Did any of the three of you think I wouldn't get caught up after the weekend?  This was a gross miscalculation.  

 

 

You say this like you have direct control over who dies. How is supposed to look good?

 

 

Also what you say is true that you're outspoken as scum but all wolves have the tendency to hide at points in the game. You're not making the typical splash you do as a villager and I take issue with that. Your D1 looks bad and there are questionable interactions with you and known scum. I will literally go through every game I can recall where you were scum on this website to fact check this.

 

Trying to come in and immediately thunderdome me for having very real reasons to suspect you and deciding I'm scum off one post is seriously terrible, Yates. You might be able to convince some of these other players but you can basically consider yourself outted to me.

 

Also reads like a planned angle when combined with his earlier argument for super active wolves.  Personally, I don't see Yates' activity as alignment indicative one way or the other.  I'm not big on clearing people for WiM or condemning people for WiL.  Yates is also skilled and self-aware enough to exploit his meta as either alignment, so I'm wary of meta arguments for or against him.  I don't think Yates has done anything townish yet, and he's done a few things that I see as scummy.  It's as simple as that.

 

 

I don't know these acronyms. I like to think I understand the paragraph as a whole without knowing them, but please clear this up for me.

 

Leelou puts her buddies in the nulls or bottom of her "Town lean" lists. Most importantly, though, her strong Town reads are almost ALWAYS Town. She's a buddier.

 

-snip-

 

Basically, anyone in dark green is spewed Town.

 

I'll look at her interactions during catch up to see which of her scum reads look fake and which look like mislynch attempts but at least one of the scum leans will be a buddy. Especially as a GF.

 

This information supports my idea to hunt this list. More convinced there's scum there somewhere.

 

 

 

Last game I remember playing in with Leelou as scum was Warehouse 13. But feel free to check ANY of her scum games...

 

This was her final reads list on Day 3:

So, my scum list looks something like this (scummiest on the top): 

 

Wombat - more on his scum game than town game. Parked vote D1, snarky responses

Eldrick - wanted to lynch from claimed masons to prove them, sheeping, going with the flow and just the way he's phrased a lot of his posts. 

Not Bob - mostly gut feelings and not really seeing what I'd expect out of him as town. 

Dice - seems to be looking for easy targets, not really branching out or going after someone hard. 

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - not really doing a lot game wise. 

 

The following are town reads, all by posts and how they are holding themselves in the game: 

 

Verbal

Lily

Pral

Hally

Cass (mentored by Darthe)

 

I'm a bit torn between voting Wombat and Eldrick, I want to vote for both of them right now.

FTR - Cass had been "Town cleared" by a bunch of people, iirc.

 

These were her Day 1 reads, fwiw:

 

Order not indicative of townieness to scuminess (order of sign ups)

 

Alanna - Alanna is one I never want to clear too early. Her posts have seemed to have been made from a townie tone, but I really can't judge her for a day or two. Null with strong town leans. 

Lily - I have a way of reading Lily's posts and knowing when they come from Town!Lily or Scum!Lily and her posts are coming from Town!Lily. Town

Dice - not hiding, so those are points in his townie pool. I don't really see where he is coming from re:Hallia. 

Thane - Still waiting to see if my theory pans out after a phase or so. Holding in null. 

Dawn  Mrs. Clov - Earth to Dawn???

Eldrick - pushed distractions with talk of triggers and just a general meh feeling from the push on Yates/masons to be lynched. Scum lean

Pral - as of yet, has not denied being masons with Yates - town pile until proven otherwise

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - no clue, never played with her before. Will take me some time or something big to jump out at me. 

Hally - liking her tone, slight town lean 

Cass (mentored by Darthe) - lots of question marks in her list. Slightly weary. 

Sili - General town lean from posts, posting is fluid, in a weird Sili sorta way. I don't agree with your read on Eldrick though. That boy is giving me scum vibes. 

Yates - claiming masons with Pral - town pile until proven otherwise

Not Bob - I might currently hate you because your name is a witch to ISO. Eh. No need to push on Dawn. Me thinks you are going down the rabbit hole after Sili. Could potentially be scum, but leaning null with scum undertones until I see more from you. What does your magic 8 ball say? 

Verbal - After reading his posts, I really like them. He's coming off as involved and not being overly snarky. Town

Wombat - Kinda sketchy, but not enough to want to lynch yet. I'm watching you though. 

 

If no lynch were to go through and this was as of right now: 

Vig - Eldrick

Cop - Wombat 

Doc - themselves, until a better target is made known

 

 

 

I actually hadn't noticed this about the W13 game. What I do remember about it, and have already mentioned, is that the pushed me hard this game. As her teammate. That's why AH isn't clear in my book.

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Other things bouncing around in my head.

 

I never said I believed Salami's claim. I don't, and realize now I should have probably said so earlier. I don't know why people are town-reading him. I haven't liked his game at all. He hasn't been wolfy, but is in no ways town in my book. He is very much still null and horribly -EV. Why are people town-reading him?

 

The conversation this day has mostly been about the Therbal and Yates lynches. The stuff said about Therbal resonates well with me, and I am happy with this lynch.

 

[v]Therbal[/v]

 

I can't for the life of me remember why Yates is an option. I don't remember anything he has done this game, except of course for the recent post I quoted. He is also still null for me.

 

I blame Darthe being loud :P I will be doing a full reread once I get the chance. I have a late shift Tuesday, and then Wednesday and Thursday off. I fully expect to be caught up and current come Friday.

[Eldrick4221]

 

it clear now seph?

 

Also it means mafia now have a perfect fake claim at their disposal too

 

I don't like that you know how the role that cleaned Durin works. Feels like inside information, and looks really bad for you.

 

 

Its called experience Eldrick. Knowing roles and how they work are part of the game. I flubbed understanding the Hider role last game and lost because of it.

 

 

That is an acceptable reason, but I am still wary of it.

I worded this badly. I am still wary of you because of your knowledge, even though your reasoning for knowing makes sense. It could be you know because you're mafia, and you're using this as an excuse.

[Sili Quirrels]

If dice is saying darthe was janitored and now scum have some sort of character to claim without a cc, then i agree.

[Sili Quirrels]

Ok. Other things bouncing around in my head.

 

I never said I believed Salami's claim. I don't, and realize now I should have probably said so earlier. I don't know why people are town-reading him. I haven't liked his game at all. He hasn't been wolfy, but is in no ways town in my book. He is very much still null and horribly -EV. Why are people town-reading him?

 

The conversation this day has mostly been about the Therbal and Yates lynches. The stuff said about Therbal resonates well with me, and I am happy with this lynch.

 

[v]Therbal[/v]

 

I can't for the life of me remember why Yates is an option. I don't remember anything he has done this game, except of course for the recent post I quoted. He is also still null for me.

 

I blame Darthe being loud :P I will be doing a full reread once I get the chance. I have a late shift Tuesday, and then Wednesday and Thursday off. I fully expect to be caught up and current come Friday.

as u are the 6th vote, u are putting verbal perilously close to being hammered. just fyi.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Ok. Other things bouncing around in my head.

 

I never said I believed Salami's claim. I don't, and realize now I should have probably said so earlier. I don't know why people are town-reading him. I haven't liked his game at all. He hasn't been wolfy, but is in no ways town in my book. He is very much still null and horribly -EV. Why are people town-reading him?

 

The conversation this day has mostly been about the Therbal and Yates lynches. The stuff said about Therbal resonates well with me, and I am happy with this lynch.

 

[v]Therbal[/v]

 

I can't for the life of me remember why Yates is an option. I don't remember anything he has done this game, except of course for the recent post I quoted. He is also still null for me.

 

I blame Darthe being loud :P I will be doing a full reread once I get the chance. I have a late shift Tuesday, and then Wednesday and Thursday off. I fully expect to be caught up and current come Friday.

as u are the 6th vote, u are putting verbal perilously close to being hammered. just fyi.

 

yates made a bad argument against turin. he is now fake claiming a pr that will clear him day 3.

 

100% serious.

 

I don't disagree with how you describe csarmi. It's just that... he is genuinely bad and i think he genuinely sympathizes with the villager win condition, and i honestly doubt he is proactive enough as a wolf to claim in his first post. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Salami is easy to tunnel.

[Sili Quirrels]

As ive experienced and inadvertantly been rude in the doing.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Might have time to reread wh3n i get home. Yayz.

Who are we eating again?

 

 

Are you going to help #solve or just #rideyourclaim all game?

Have you met Salami?  He is gonna ride the **** outta that claim.

qft

[dicetosser1]

 

 

it clear now seph?

 

Also it means mafia now have a perfect fake claim at their disposal too

 

I don't like that you know how the role that cleaned Durin works. Feels like inside information, and looks really bad for you.

 

 

Its called experience Eldrick. Knowing roles and how they work are part of the game. I flubbed understanding the Hider role last game and lost because of it.

 

 

That is an acceptable reason, but I am still wary of it.

I worded this badly. I am still wary of you because of your knowledge, even though your reasoning for knowing makes sense. It could be you know because you're mafia, and you're using this as an excuse.

 

 

make sure to apply this to AJ Laine AH Sili (see below)  and you might as well add verb and yates too. All of these people would know this. Most have commented on it too.  Ohn and Wombat as well

 

 

If dice is saying darthe was janitored and now scum have some sort of character to claim without a cc, then i agree.

 

Thats what i was saying.

[dicetosser1]

sili where you at reads wise?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Might have time to reread wh3n i get home. Yayz.

Who are we eating again?

 

 

Are you going to help #solve or just #rideyourclaim all game?

I never ride my claim. Especially one that gets me policy lynched one day before LyLo. You know how i play. I dont have a solve obv but i am trying my best.

 

Just wanted to make sure. I wasn't liking you just asking for cliff notes and saying that you aren't sure who to lynch without putting in any work yourself. You are still one of my town leans.

more likely leelou is doing damage control. Salami is prob town eldrick.