House of Cards

[Cass]

And here's the stuff he posted about me early on. Similar sort of sheeping/hedging/flip-flopping that he had with Sooh.

 

 

Vote on me that came after I copped a significant amount of pressure for my reads/making the same suggestion as him that Darthe may be scum:

[v]Cass[/v]

 

 

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

 

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

 

Then after I start gaining more heat:

Cass wagon probably a good wagon.

 

Cory I was worried on my read through that I didn't see much of you. Are my concerns real here?

 

He links me with a previous wolf game for my 'short/snippy' post but admits he wouldn't expect me to go against the grain:

Having just wolfed with Cass I think that post reads strikingly similar to what I read from her last game. She doesn't really come across to me as an against the grain type so her having 4 scum reads in more or less ~accepted greens is strange.

 

Then he backtracks after my explanation other people start posting that they don't see me being wolf this game, but continues to hedge - feels like he's keeping me as an option until more people agree.

 

 

 

 

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

 

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

 

As much as I hate being mislynched D1 and want to stay in the game, I actually agree with this at this point. I think either of our flips would be potentially good for info. 

 

Going back to here-ish and will try to address the stuff 'against' me before I get called to dinner.

 

What sort of info do you think would come from either lynch?

 

Eugh trying to add spaces between squished multi-quotes and causing premature posting. EBWOP.

 

-snip-

 

AJ

- Votes early

- Simultaneously suggests that my post was 'strikingly similar' to game we wolfed together and calls it strange that I have scum reads on ~accepted greens because I'm not usually 'against the grain'. 

 

 

 

[v]Cass[/v]

 

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

 

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

 

Having just wolfed with Cass I think that post reads strikingly similar to what I read from her last game. She doesn't really come across to me as an against the grain type so her having 4 scum reads in more or less ~accepted greens is strange.

 

 

 

 

-snizzip-

 

- Suggests my wolf posts are 'long, villagery' and 'with no real content'. Here I agree with the second part and strongly disagree with the first. I haven't posted 'long, villagery' WoTs for the past few games - and in all of those I've been scum. No real content as scum I'll give him. Either way I don't see how either of those are particularly relevant here/to that point.

 

 

-snip-

 

TLDR: 

Comments/pushes by Darthe, AJ and Cory seem worse than those by Clov and Hally.

 

 

 

 

If you look back I believe I said that I thought you weren't an against the grain type, I wasn't making that statement definitively. And yes, I do think your post looked strikingly similar to some that I saw you make in our last game. The bit I bolded in the lower section that you were addressing Cory in highlights my point. I saw your post that read very snipped and short without a lot of fleshed out thoughts that were readily apparent. So yes, my initial impression wasn't a good one. I appreciate you going more in depth to discuss your ideas, even if I disagree on some of your reads. I feel more comfortable with you for that because I don't think you would've gone to that extent to clarify as a wolf after our last game.

 

 

[unvote] btw

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just meant that I haven't seen you really provide anything that I would describe as helping me to read you since you came back in today. Yesterday I felt I was getting more from you... Could you give me some current leans, please?

 

Verb is my villager peek so that goes without saying. Going off thread I think Nyn is on her villager game and I think Clov is too. Darthe is more likely to be a villager here based solely on numbers despite my suspicion of him earlier. Kaylee seems okay, she's making her observations that are accurate in the moment. I'd probably peek her just to confirm her because I think she's likely to make it deep into the game on the merit of not getting NK'd often in this roster and clearing her would be valuable later on in POE.

 

 

 

Cass might be light green for the moment. I appreciate Cass expounding more on her thoughts to show her perspective which I don't think she'd do as well if she were wolfing again.

 

 

 

Dice had his 'gut read' opener which I think by now I should probably consider more of a neutral movement at this point in our experience together. I'll need more from him. Leelou can fit into this category as well because I haven't seen enough from her to really place her outside of null. Tress would be here as well until she comes back more with her own thoughts.

 

I'm undecided on you atm. You've said some things that came across weird to me but I think you've made some decent posts as well. The one you talked about people ignoring / defending you as suspect could offer some valuable insight later on if you're a villager here. I agreed with some of your points.

 

Cory and Wombat I have as hesitant wolf leans for now. I feel like the way Cory is engaging those who suspect him is more in-line with how I would do things as a wolf although I admit that could just be my own personal projection on his play. Wombat is more of hunch I guess. I don't think any of the observations he's made couldn't be done as a wolf and I think there's some potential for distancing between him and Cory happening. Cory's post about them colliding as Mario Kart characters or whatever gave me that impression.

 

 

 

Bump Cory and Wombat up a bunch, bump Cass down, and this is a perfect post.  

 

I haven't played with Wombat in a while and pretty sure I've never played against him as mafia, but I like the points he's brought up.  I think he plays relatively similarly to me.  Nothing seems completely off basis, so that's good enough for me for now.

 

Cory, I think you are completely off on.  Cory's always taken it...not personally, necessarily, but...as a challenge, I guess? when I've pushed him in the past.  One game that comes to mind was the Blood Bowl game we did okay in on WF.  I was town that game, he was essentially town (pro-town secondary village), and I made several paranoia pushes towards him late in the game.  It wasn't a huge OMGUS knee jerk, but there was definitely some - rather understandable, because he did play well - annoyance. 

 

I'd probably be willing to bump Cory up into my greens moving forward but Wombat wouldn't rise any higher than null.

Cass is going to be a hard read for me one way or the other I think so her position isn't at all permanent. I feel like I'm likely to go back and forth on her until the very end. /snip (quoted below)

 

 

In the spoilers above he puts Cory and Wombat as his 'hesitant wolf leans', but pretty much immediately after he sheeps Clov on WTL Cass/Sooh/Dice/Leelou/Tress and adds aggreement to Clov's push of Dice:

/snip

[v]Dice[/v]

 

I'm not going to fight a lynch on anyone of Cass/Sooh/Dice/Leelou/Tress today.  I would probably put Cass a half spot ahead of the rest of them, just because I liked the effort she gave in explaining her reads, and I think they make enough sense coming from her POV to not light them on fire.

 

You could say this is sort of where I'm at.

 

 

specifically dice read the thread (or at least most of it, since what he quoted was buried in the middle somewhere) and the only thing he had to say about it was the ONE reference made about him in the entire thing

that just doesn't sound like what town dice does to me

 

not at all

 

What stood out to me about Dice (besides just the complete lack of effort) is his ONLY thought worth sharing happened to be the most unanimously scumread player in the game.  That's about the safest place you could park a vote to avoid contributing.

 

I can agree with this.

 

 

 

His next post has Sooh at the top of his WTL and me at the bottom, and he follows it with a I think I'm comfortable lynching Cass because Leelou was suspicious of Wolf Cass last game and now she's suspicious of her here. Nobody follows him and at the EoD he votes Sooh instead:

Verb

 

Nyn

Clov

Kaylee

Cory

Darthe

 

Sooh

Tress

Dice

Wombat

Leelou

Cass

 

Would be willing to vote / lynch anyone in the gray at this time. Not the most rock solid reads yet but I should be able to flesh them out more once we get past a phase or two. 

 

I think I'm comfortable lynching Cass actually. Thinking back to last game I don't think Leelou actually looks that bad at all for saying she would probably vote Cass at this time. I remember where being very suspicious of Cass for the majority of the game - attention just always shifted elsewhere for anything to really come of it.

Cass red flip looks good for Leelou here imo

 

 

[v]Sooh[/v]

I'm comfortable moving here for toDay. My reads haven't changed all that much from where I was last night but I think Cass's effort is coming across in a good way. We'll see as things progress but I at least think she's bought herself more time. I'll miss EOD because I'll be at work and since the thread is closed for Night I'll just have to catch up again and wait for Day.

GLGL

 

 

Immediately after, I'm still at the bottom of the pile, along with Cory and Clov. Wombat is at the top, presumably wary but not as willing to lynch.

 

Extremely high % of finding a wolf(ves) in

 

Wombat

Cory

Clov

Cass

 

imo

 

Need to sort this bunch asap.

 

 

[Cass]

Bllah formatting. 

 

The bold immediately above where it goes super wide is supposed to be in the AJ quote immediately before it.

[Cass]

The other thing that really stood out to me (and yes, AJ, it's from D1) is the way that he mentioned a wolfy lean on Darthe early on, twice, but was hedgy about it/testing the waters/didn't come right out and say it and then voted me and backtracked after I copped heat for 'going against the grain'.

 

Tests the waters with mild scum read on Darthe:

I have Darthe as mildly wolfy.

I'll explain later

 

 

 

Something bugs me a bit about AJ taking on the role of the voice of reason regarding seer cover. Could be nothing, could be something. As always, keeping an eye on him.

This may have something to do with my mild scum read on Darthe.

 

 

 

 

Votes me and suggests Sooh/Cass trains after I cop heat from Clov, Darthe, Hallia, Kaylee

 

 

[v]Cass[/v]

 

Pulled some quotes as I was catching up just now, will get them sorted and responded to in time.

 

Sooh/Cass wagons aren't bad atm, I think.

 

 

 

 

Supports Nyn and Darthe's push of Sooh, 'dismisses' what he had on Darthe:

 

 

Clov came in and made a joke about the scum team's identity, naming three players that haven't posted yet. You asked him if that was a soulread and then asked if it was a aussie theme. The whole post sounded fake to me and I did not care for it.

 

Darthe's opinion of how you usually play means squat to me. Other than mentoring you in a game, I don't think we've played together before so my focus is on your play in THIS game. And OMGUS FoSing me for allegedly sheeping Darthe (of all people! lol) is not making you look any better in my eyes. I also find it interesting that I'm getting FoSed but Darthe isn't even though, under your consideration, your content so far doesn't warrant it.

 

 

Any other thoughts you have to share?

 

I quoted this one to say that I liked the bite in it. I was quite amused as I continued reading to see that I wasn't the only one.

 

 

I like this post of Nyn's.

 

Nyn is trending upwards for the bold.

 

I like this post. It's a tad much for a slight push like I was going for, but I like to see where you're coming from. 

 

+4?

 

 

Let's see.. if I was to fake peek someone atm I think I would vanillager probably you, Clov... if I have a real peek though I'll save that for later and give you a bit more work in order to find it...

 

You may as well claim not cop after this post.

 

Unless you are, in which case great job covering.  But you aren't cause you're a wolf here.  You've yet to even address that, make a townie post or post anything really meaningful.  

 

Harsh. But I likewise cringed a bit when I read this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clov how's your townie list looking?

 

I'm adding Kaylee to mine for pulling out the classic Kaylee-esque observation in 153.  

 

About where it was.  Nothing from you/Kaylee/Verbal made me want to adjust my reads on you.  I still think that post from Nyn is more likely to come from her as town than mafia, but she'd probably be nullish.

 

Not really comfortable with a read one way or another on the others who have posted.  Maybe the slightest of town reads on AJ, pending what he has against you.

 

 

 

I mostly agree with your reads here in the first bolded bit.

 

As far as what I had/have on Darthe I would probably dismiss at this point after reading back through the game.

 

I was getting a sneaking suspicion from the way he was pushing for seer cover on N0 of a game with a N0 peek. Make sense? I understand what the typical mechanics are, but they aren't spelled out in the OP and you can assume if you like that I know that the peek wasn't random or sent in my role PM when I first received it.

 

Anyway - I got the vibe maybe he was pushing for cover to 'save' the seer as the front but the real angle was to get people to make hasty peeks that would easily be identified as fake later when it came to seer hunt at Night.

 

Perhaps it's recency, maybe it's a bit of bias since I know myself to be town, whatever it is I'm a bit hesitant on AJ atm.  I don't want to pursue it or anything but I feel like if he continues as he has it's going to take me a while to get a good read on him this game.

 

I appreciate your reasonableness here. Likewise it wasn't something I really wanted to explore until I saw more from you and I'm okay at this point thinking that perhaps I was being more paranoid than anything.

 

Feels like rapid/'friendly' backtracking on an issue he realised was going to attract too much pain if he pushed.

 

 

Then here he responds to Sooh.

 

i) Describes himself as being in casual/ 'aloof villager state' (something about this reads off tone-wise, like he doesn't want to take responsibility for anything he says), and

 

ii) Justifies backing off Darthe again and puts me at light Town read(Darthe being consensus Town and some support for me being shown ITT at the time):

 

 

Yeah I just genuinely have an exam tomorrow that I need to cram to too... 

 

I have been reading back AJ's posts, and he did come across as much more reasonable last time he stopped in. Now lately it has been mainly fluff which I don't know how to feel about. I was just massively duped by AJ in the previous game, so I'm fully aware he is capable of doing that. I was asking before what people thought was suspicious about AJ, but didn't get any responses yet. Hope I'll get that so I can analyze those. 

 

 

What posts of mine would you call fluff? If you want something clarified or explained more thoroughly just ask me and I will do my best.

 

What you are seeing is AJ in his aloof villager state. The game is early and I am casually pointing out things as they occur to me that may become more pertinent later on.

 

 

/snip

 

Darthe is more likely to be a villager here based solely on numbers despite my suspicion of him earlier.

 

/snip

 

Cass might be light green for the moment. I appreciate Cass expounding more on her thoughts to show her perspective which I don't think she'd do as well if she were wolfing again.

 

/snip

 

 

[Cass]

WRT Wombat.

 

Little interaction D1 other than discussing benefits of late seer cover (?for Town cred): 

 

 

/snip

 

For the sake of providing better fake peeks its probably in everyone's interest to hold off until they can better gage the roster.

That's my 2c anyway

 

I agree with this.  Villapeeking a wolf is not cool.

 

It's not really about the villas peeking a wolf. Or, I should say that's not the whole of it. Seer cover is more or less a foreign entity here at DM and what I didn't want was people throwing out useless peeks for the sake of appearing 'random' when the peek could very well have not been random at all. Also - since it's a new thing here I doubt most players are going to keep that in the forefront of their mind as they play along. They may accidently drop cover without thinking about it because they aren't used to having to hold to that front. Get what I'm saying?

 

 

 

Something bugs me a bit about AJ taking on the role of the voice of reason regarding seer cover. Could be nothing, could be something. As always, keeping an eye on him.

This may have something to do with my mild scum read on Darthe.

 

Don't like this.  Feels like a bit of a dodge.  At this point in the game, why should a mild scum read have any influence on a mechanical/strategy discussion?

 

Not really a dodge. I said I would explain later but Nyn's comment correlated with my take on Darthe at the time.

/snip

 

 

 

 

Says:

Cory and Wombat are my D2 wolves ftr.

 

But we'll talk about that then.

But then only really goes at Cory, sometimes with Wombat chiming in like Devil's advocate:

 

 

 

 

 

I'll be lock clearing myself by lynching a wolf today, so you can scrap the tinfoil in advance if you're feeling smart

 

I hope so.

 

And I mean that.

 

Maybe I'm projecting a bit here, but I think the way you've handled your detractors is a bit wolfy. Verb/Clov specifically.

 

 

 

 

How so?

 

 

These are a few examples. I get the impression that he's more so setting up a 1v1 situation with people that voice suspicion over him instead of looking at things objectively. Inciting a fight is a way to put it, I guess.

 

 

There are some people I can give ~mild to ~above mild villager leans if they can believably suspect me on d1 because in my experience wolves do it very rarely, they tend to clear me and just hope i don't spotlight on them before they can get rid of me in whatever fashion

 

Clov is a tricky player, so he does not get this benefit of the doubt

 

If he wants war, he'll get war. He doesn't get a competence pass if he isn't being competent.

 

You have played plenty of games with me at this point so not seeing that as genuine

 

Even some games where I didn't even know you were you

 

I think you're better and more apt than this as a villager, you have been really on-point as a villager the last handful of games I've watched you (Warehouse 13 comes to mind)

 

Consider yourself on watch

 

That's a pretty interesting xpost

I'm going to give you space to do your thing, Verbal, so just be an obvious villager and we'll have no problems

 

Verbal has shown the ability to be a competent and follow-able villager in previous games so I'll shut up about it for now

 

If he doesn't improve in my head don't expect me to be quiet about it closer to EOD, but I'm fine with giving him some space and letting him approach the game as he pleases

 

That's pretty much the last thing I have to say about the matter

 

 

 

 

All that looks like to me is that I'm trying to read people

 

If that's why I say as a wolf what do you think I would say differently as a villager?

I think I've been very objective in both cases, or as objective as I can be when someone makes a post that doesn't ring genuine to me

 

If you think I'm prepping some diabolic thunderdome, I don't know what to tell you, I don't plan on ever being a wagon this game so that thought makes zero sense to me

 

Diabolic thunderdome probably aren't the words I would use to describe the impression I get. It's more that you attack the accuser with reverse aggression.

 

 

We'll laugh about it and draw pictures together post game if I'm wrong.

 

I won't be laughing about it

 

Correct your read

 

Pretty much what I'm talking about.

 

 

 

Seems more like slight knee-jerk OMGUS to me.  I'd actually expect town Cory to go harder after those people, but given that he's been talking about trying to change his style for a while and that I haven't been playing much lately, I'm inclined to think that it's not alignment indicative.

 

Maybe. Like I've said I could just be projecting myself into the situation but the bite back tactic is something I would probably do more often as a wolf.

 

 

 

Cory - don't hate me because I have an innate mistrust towards you after some of our past games. Monstr's Mafia Mafia game specifically, which I think may have been the last one we were in together.

 

In my mind based on our experience together I know that your ranges overlap significantly and you would probably react (or appear to) in similar fashions. The issue I have here is that underlying it all I get the sense that you have some pent up aggression that doesn't coincide with my view of you as a villager. That is probably the best way I can describe it, honestly.

 

You state that I'm almost certainly a villager here, and I'm not ready to call you a wolf. But allow me the time I need to fully flesh out what I need with you because the last thing I want to do is derail your game if my suspicions are inaccurate.

 

 

 

 

 

Seems more like slight knee-jerk OMGUS to me.  I'd actually expect town Cory to go harder after those people, but given that he's been talking about trying to change his style for a while and that I haven't been playing much lately, I'm inclined to think that it's not alignment indicative.

 

Maybe. Like I've said I could just be projecting myself into the situation but the bite back tactic is something I would probably do more often as a wolf.

 

You used to do it a lot as town early on though.  I got a lot of false scum reads on you before I figured it out.

 

That's true enough but a different timeframe imo. You're talking about me reacting a few years in the past when I was still a beginner.

 

 

 

 

 

Spliltting here

[Cass]

 

All through pushing Cory he continues to support a lynch on Sooh/me etc. When he posts his catch up reads he drops suspicion of Cory (Cory getting more Town-read ITT) - but he doesn't mention Wombat at all, except to FoS me for starting with a Wombat ISO:

 

 

I'm gonna just give a recap of my catch-up right now and then get the quotes I wanna address or whatever afterwards.

 

Nyn is literally the most obvtown player at this point in the game. Like it hurts a little reading her posts. I'm not 100% sold on Sooh yet but I like the way Nyn is handling the situation. She's being reasonable to other player's suggestions/opinions but maintaining her suspicion and now looking to make connections off it. May be a bit premature for that but I think the motive behind it is good.

 

Cory if you are a villager this game then I'm sorry for getting to you earlier. If you aren't then I'm not sorry but for now I'm gonna let it go and spread my vision elsewhere.

 

Clov I haven't given up on you being a villager yet. Unfortunately I also have to admit that I've never personally seen you wolfing and I am going to seek advice on the subject just in case. I don't disagree that Dice isn't vote worthy at this point.

 

Kaylee still looking good. I like how she is responding to Cass in her confusing posts before this. If you actually take the time to figure them out I think she answers and clarifies well. The only reason I peek her at this point is because I don't want others mislynching her later in the game after I'm dead.

 

Cass's Wombat ISO/re-read thing felt sort of random. Don't know what that means right now but it stood out to me as out-of-place I guess when I started reading forward from my last post.

 

That's all that readily comes to mind atm but I'm gonna respond to specific things I found reading along now.

 

 

 

Next post he:

- Says Cory and Wombat are 'hesitant wolf leans' and gives reasons for Cory but stays non-specific on Wombat other than hunch and potential distancing between him and Cory.

 

- Takes Clov's comment into consideration and says he'd move Cory up into Greens, but keeps Wombat in null, which seems deliberately strange when he had more specific reasons to not like Cory.

- Hedges on me and agrees wong fight a lynch on Cass/Sooh/Leelou/Dice/Tress, agrees with (easy) push on Dice:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just meant that I haven't seen you really provide anything that I would describe as helping me to read you since you came back in today. Yesterday I felt I was getting more from you... Could you give me some current leans, please?

 

Verb is my villager peek so that goes without saying. Going off thread I think Nyn is on her villager game and I think Clov is too. Darthe is more likely to be a villager here based solely on numbers despite my suspicion of him earlier. Kaylee seems okay, she's making her observations that are accurate in the moment. I'd probably peek her just to confirm her because I think she's likely to make it deep into the game on the merit of not getting NK'd often in this roster and clearing her would be valuable later on in POE.

 

Cass might be light green for the moment. I appreciate Cass expounding more on her thoughts to show her perspective which I don't think she'd do as well if she were wolfing again.

 

Dice had his 'gut read' opener which I think by now I should probably consider more of a neutral movement at this point in our experience together. I'll need more from him. Leelou can fit into this category as well because I haven't seen enough from her to really place her outside of null. Tress would be here as well until she comes back more with her own thoughts.

 

I'm undecided on you atm. You've said some things that came across weird to me but I think you've made some decent posts as well. The one you talked about people ignoring / defending you as suspect could offer some valuable insight later on if you're a villager here. I agreed with some of your points.

 

 

 

Cory and Wombat I have as hesitant wolf leans for now. I feel like the way Cory is engaging those who suspect him is more in-line with how I would do things as a wolf although I admit that could just be my own personal projection on his play. Wombat is more of hunch I guess. I don't think any of the observations he's made couldn't be done as a wolf and I think there's some potential for distancing between him and Cory happening. Cory's post about them colliding as Mario Kart characters or whatever gave me that impression.

 

 

 

Bump Cory and Wombat up a bunch, bump Cass down, and this is a perfect post.  

 

I haven't played with Wombat in a while and pretty sure I've never played against him as mafia, but I like the points he's brought up.  I think he plays relatively similarly to me.  Nothing seems completely off basis, so that's good enough for me for now.

 

Cory, I think you are completely off on.  Cory's always taken it...not personally, necessarily, but...as a challenge, I guess? when I've pushed him in the past.  One game that comes to mind was the Blood Bowl game we did okay in on WF.  I was town that game, he was essentially town (pro-town secondary village), and I made several paranoia pushes towards him late in the game.  It wasn't a huge OMGUS knee jerk, but there was definitely some - rather understandable, because he did play well - annoyance.  

 

 

 

I'd probably be willing to bump Cory up into my greens moving forward but Wombat wouldn't rise any higher than null. Cass is going to be a hard read for me one way or the other I think so her position isn't at all permanent. I feel like I'm likely to go back and forth on her until the very end. 

 

[v]Dice[/v]

 

I'm not going to fight a lynch on anyone of Cass/Sooh/Dice/Leelou/Tress today.  I would probably put Cass a half spot ahead of the rest of them, just because I liked the effort she gave in explaining her reads, and I think they make enough sense coming from her POV to not light them on fire.

 

You could say this is sort of where I'm at.

 

 

specifically dice read the thread (or at least most of it, since what he quoted was buried in the middle somewhere) and the only thing he had to say about it was the ONE reference made about him in the entire thing

that just doesn't sound like what town dice does to me

 

not at all

 

What stood out to me about Dice (besides just the complete lack of effort) is his ONLY thought worth sharing happened to be the most unanimously scumread player in the game.  That's about the safest place you could park a vote to avoid contributing.

 

I can agree with this.

 

 

 

 

His next mention of Wombat is making a comment on a Wombat reply to my question, where he uses it as an opportunity to back off Wombat and push further onto me:

 

 

 

 

Nyn's post had plenty of bite without being overly harsh and seemed like something town Nyn would post.  I wouldn't have pursued the angle she did on Sooh, but it strikes me as the kind of thing Nyn likes to explore.  As for my odd vibes on her, I can't really explain it yet because it was gut at the time and it hasn't been reinforced since.

 

As for Darthe, I don't know why you are assuming I had a town read on him or why that should preclude me questioning or disagreeing with him.  As of p. 2, Darthe was a town lean.  I saw his apparent desire to probe people and get the game moving as townish.  He later said some things I disagreed with or didn't quite get and I responded to them accordingly.  This is fairly normal as Darthe and I often look at things differently.  Right now, I would say Darthe is a mild town read.  I disagree with some of the things he's said, but many of them seem to be coming from a town mindset to me.

 

With respect to "unavoidably scummy," it's exactly what it says on the tin.  There was a time when Darthe would consistently look terrible no matter what role he had or what he did.  Sort of a corollary of Full Darthe I guess.

 

And if I disagree with a post enough, I'm going to make it known regardless of whether or not I think the author is town.  I've openly disagreed with mod-confirmed townies before.  Difference of opinion does not necessitate enmity.

 

 

 

I kind of want to dislike this post because I'm mildly suspicious of Wombat but I can't deny the fact it's a good response and potentially makes me think my read on Womby is incorrect and instead I should continue pursuing Cass without letting her off the hook so easily.

 

Still undecided.

 

 

 

 

After that he puts me at the bottom of the WTL, Sooh at the top, Wombat in the middle, pushes my lynch and ends up voting Sooh.

 

 

D2 he mentions Wombat is 'still probably scum' and 'could' vote there today, but doesn't interact more with wombat until after Cory votes Wombat and hints strongly at being Seer. He starts soft, and the interaction between the two feels like distancing, with gif etc:

 

 

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

Get off the sidelines, bruh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Legit though Wombat, I think you could be a wolf this game. I would appreciate you trying to assuage that impression.

 

 

 

 

Despite the comment above, he still has Wombat higher in the PoE, with me at the bottom:

 

 

Extremely high % of finding a wolf(ves) in

 

Wombat

Cory

Clov

Cass

 

imo

 

Need to sort this bunch asap.

 

 

 

This is effectively the only 'push' he makes at Wombat, and it doesn't feel all that strong to me, especially when he hedges it all at the bottom, highlighting that he could be wrong:

 

 

 

 

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

Get off the sidelines, bruh.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Legit though Wombat, I think you could be a wolf this game. I would appreciate you trying to assuage that impression.

 

Basically where I'm at with you.  Either you are a wolf or we need to get on the same page I guess.

 

Enlighten me a little, then. What page are you on? Generally I've got the impression that your posts have been fairly low effort. I see potential connections with you and other players I'm wary of atm.

 

/snip

 

Extremely high % of finding a wolf(ves) in

 

Wombat

Cory

Clov

Cass

 

imo

 

Need to sort this bunch asap.

 

Batting .500 max here.  More likely .250 imo.  Your D-Backs namesake is raking on my fantasy team btw.  Get on his level or concede?:(

 

1/4 chance statistically is accurate. Which of the four do you think then?

 

Right now I'm having a hard time seeing the game any other way though I can admit that I have been extremely wrong before.

 

 

 

 

Nothing more.

 

He comes back later after ISO on Verbal and votes Wombat, and shortly afterwards the thunderdome between Wombat and Cory begins.

 

Cory had already dropped several hints about being possible Seer by this point, and if Wombat had figured it out in that phase, IMO it's quite possible that at the point AJ started 'pushing' him he was thinking along the same lines and knew it was time to bus hard/vote early.

 

 

[v]AJ[/] btw

[Nynaeve]

Cass broke DM

[Nynaeve]

Wolfy >.>

[dicetosser1]

Bad Cass!!

[Cass]

Cass broke DM

 

 

Wolfy >.>

 

 

With my WoTting it was bound to happen someday... 

 

 

Stupid rush and crappy formatting.

 

[v]AJ[/v]

[Yates]

Vote Count 4.2

 

Cass: Andrej, Clovdyx, Bewbs McGee, Kaylee, dicetosser1, Songstress

Andrej: Cass

 

Deadline:

[Cass]

 

Missed this - made just before he votes Wombat.

- Asks Wombat for his town reads

- Switches view to me and Dice as potential Villagers

- Says he can't see a team without Wombat on it

 

Again - made at a point after all of Cory's hints, and quite possible he knew he would have to start bussing hard.

 

 

 

Wombat earlier you said that you have me, Dice and Cass as your top 3 suspects but that we were all fluid.

 

Could you explain why?

 

My town reads are a lot stronger than my scum reads and Sooh flipping town muddled things a bit too.  None of you are even close to "lock wolf" territory imo (not that I ever actually lock reads without mod confirmation).  Dice hasn't posted that much, so he could easily redeem himself, and both you and Cass have said some things that have made me think twice.  Combine that with some reasonable suspicion of my nulls and town leans, and I don't have an entirely clear picture of the scum team, but I do feel like I'm a flip from being able to break things open.  Any headway I can make before then could prove pivotal.

 

Okay - so who are your very solid town reads?

 

Does this list still apply?

 

Wwwwombat

Kaylee

Clovdyx

Songstress

Bewbs McGee

 

Not lynching.

 

I agree on the point that Dice hasn't said much and could redeem himself - I'm willing to give him that opportunity as I think his posts today could be a glimmer of town!Dice coming out. I am a villager - I think Cass is probably ~more likely a villager than wolf so there is potential that all three of us are town. Let's pretend that is the situation.

 

Who would your suspects be?

 

The problem I am having is that I don't really see a scum team without you on it and I haven't gotten that sense yet that you're town. Taking me, Dice, Cass out of the situation leaves you with Cory, Leelou & Verb. The first two I am keeping as town for now and wouldn't consider lynching.

 

 

 

[Cass]

Won't bother to get the quotes but by the time he comes into the game on D3 Verb is already quite clearly consensus lynch. 

AJ then says that his read of Verb/Cass is interchaneable and pushes me more than Verb.

 

The actual vote on Verb is pretty suss, including something like 'to think we had something together D1  '

[Cass]

And that's pretty much it. I'm done and sorry it wasn't earlier.

 

Glgl 

[Nynaeve]

I'll throw this in before night lock down.... If by some happenstance Cass flips town and scum choose to shoot me instead of dice (unlikely in theory, but you never know).... do me a favor and stick to the plan. It's one of AJ/Clov. Don't let them get in your head and get you to tinfoil about one another.

[Cass]

I'll throw this in before night lock down.... If by some happenstance Cass flips town and scum choose to shoot me instead of dice (unlikely in theory, but you never know).... do me a favor and stick to the plan. It's one of AJ/Clov. Don't let them get in your head and get you to tinfoil about one another.

 

[Yates]

Cass - Town Innocent Child - has ~14 minutes to convince the Town she should not be lynched.

 

Good Luck.

[Nynaeve]

seriously?

[dicetosser1]

unvote vote clov

[Nynaeve]

[unvote]

[dicetosser1]

unvote vote AJ

[Nynaeve]

[v]Clov[/v]

[Nynaeve]

Cass, vote Clov

[dicetosser1]

which way we going?

 

Also who is here?

[Nynaeve]

i rather go Clov personally

[dicetosser1]

unvote vote clov