A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

You can see a lot of my game has been based on fakepeeking, and I'm sorry about that.

 

Any actual seer will know I'm full of it. I won't counterclaim anyone if they choose to claim.

Good to know. I will read anything you say about peeking as gut feeling.

 

 

This is acceptable. I caution people that I have claimed two peeks, one on a villager, and one on a wolf. One of them can be wrong, the other one can be right.

 

Or I could be lying.

[Askthepizzaguy]

SO, SIli was Silly for editing and paid the unfortunate price. Dammit,you should've known better! The odds are decreasing for town, and that annoys me. 

 

i see the case of Verb, and it seems reasonable. Perhaps a bit too reasonable... i'm not really trusting what's going on with that. 

 

People also seem suspicious of Sooh.... agreed, her wording was off. But my wording isn't perfect either. 

 

if one of them flips wolf, i'm probably getting lynched for it. But i find the suspicions on them a bit far fetched. 

Thane, you're not getting lynched either, most likely.

 

You have my full confidence.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Eldrick, I really want to pick apart your Verbal case up there. Needless to say, I don't really like it. 

Feel free. I'd like any input you got.

 

I want to see how he reacts and responds to it. 

 

Ok...but I still want to hear what you have to say. Please reply after he does.

 

and I'm going to bed now.

[Thane Vakarian]

 

SO, SIli was Silly for editing and paid the unfortunate price. Dammit,you should've known better! The odds are decreasing for town, and that annoys me. 

 

i see the case of Verb, and it seems reasonable. Perhaps a bit too reasonable... i'm not really trusting what's going on with that. 

 

People also seem suspicious of Sooh.... agreed, her wording was off. But my wording isn't perfect either. 

 

if one of them flips wolf, i'm probably getting lynched for it. But i find the suspicions on them a bit far fetched. 

Thane, you're not getting lynched either, most likely.

 

You have my full confidence.

 

at this point i'd like to say thank you for your confidence, though i'm a bit skeptical, like if you would know for sure i'm town... if you know what i mean. 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh that reminds me, if I happen to have a peeking power, which I do not, it is of the twice per night peeking variety.

 

That means I have a second peek, and it is unrelated to the other two.

 

Thane of course would be my second peek, if I'm a seer. And this one doesn't have an alternate peek.

 

But we'll see if that causes me to be the murder tonight or not. I'll probably get roleblocked if not, so let's make sure we kill the scum roleblocker today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

 

SO, SIli was Silly for editing and paid the unfortunate price. Dammit,you should've known better! The odds are decreasing for town, and that annoys me. 

 

i see the case of Verb, and it seems reasonable. Perhaps a bit too reasonable... i'm not really trusting what's going on with that. 

 

People also seem suspicious of Sooh.... agreed, her wording was off. But my wording isn't perfect either. 

 

if one of them flips wolf, i'm probably getting lynched for it. But i find the suspicions on them a bit far fetched. 

Thane, you're not getting lynched either, most likely.

 

You have my full confidence.

 

at this point i'd like to say thank you for your confidence, though i'm a bit skeptical, like if you would know for sure i'm town... if you know what i mean. 

 

Bingo.

[Eldrick4221]

SO, SIli was Silly for editing and paid the unfortunate price. Dammit,you should've known better! The odds are decreasing for town, and that annoys me. 

 

i see the case of Verb, and it seems reasonable. Perhaps a bit too reasonable... i'm not really trusting what's going on with that. 

 

People also seem suspicious of Sooh.... agreed, her wording was off. But my wording isn't perfect either. 

 

if one of them flips wolf, i'm probably getting lynched for it. But i find the suspicions on them a bit far fetched. 

I don't see why you have to worry about being lynched for being suspicious of the reads. Nothing about this sounds bad to me.

[Eldrick4221]

Actually going to bed now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pretty farfetched seer claim, if you ask me.

 

If I were the wolves, I'd lynch me today.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here's the bad news: I won't be around for end of day, and so I can't be at all subtle about any of what I'm doing.

 

My apologies. I won't be able to claim anything or respond to counterclaims or anything of the sort, if I get counterclaimed, lynch outside of the counterclaims.

 

Block me, scan me, etc. I'm never a wolf this game though.

[Thane Vakarian]

when is EOD, actually?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch outside of both of the claims, neta.

[Askthepizzaguy]

when is EOD, actually?

4 hours, I think?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I'm not the seer I'm attempting to draw a murder.

 

I wouldn't mind being protected anyway if that is the case. But maybe I'm just a vanilla villager cursed with delusions of grandeur. In any case, a wolf is a pretty silly thing for me to be right now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hope you guys can forgive me for not bothering with the Verbal multiquote now. Hopefully this clarifies my position in a way that's far easier to read and understand anyway.

[Thane Vakarian]

*clears throat*

 

you know... the more you say you're not a wolf, or it'd be silly to be one, the less people would be willing to believe you... 

[Askthepizzaguy]

*clears throat*

 

you know... the more you say you're not a wolf, or it'd be silly to be one, the less people would be willing to believe you... 

 

I wouldn't mind a little suspicion tossed my way. I've done what I needed to do.

 

Make lynching me a distinct possibility, and we'll see who bites.

 

I bet you I can get at least four or five votes just based on my red spread so far.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I should probably vote for Verbal, but I also want to make my suspicions of Talya and Andrej to be given a lot of weight.

 

If for some reason we decide not to lynch Verbal, a Talya or an Andrej would be fine as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Going to sleep now, long shift ahead.

 

I may not get a chance to say anything more, so good luck village. Don't lynch my village peeks.

[Niniel]

I kinda wanted to see what LeeLou would do, as I remembered bad feelings about her, but this was the first specific thing I read this morning that spoke to me.  Like I said, I was fine with putting my vote there for a time.  

Her reaction to being voted?  Said I'd made some okay posts but voting her for a clearly stated reason put me in the scum category.  Then she squirmed some more when other people added votes.  I find that scummy.

For now though, [unvote][v]unvote[/v] or however you do it on this forum.

 

I don´t understand this. If you think someone is scummy, why not vote them?

 

 

 

 

 

Leelou, what's your opinion on the whole issue with Sooh at EoD yesterday?

 

 

 

Leelou, what's your opinion on the whole issue with Sooh at EoD yesterday?

 

Coincidental until we have evidence. 

 

 

 

See, now I like this response.  Pretty sure Sooh and Leelou cannot be w/w.  I am suspicious of the timing, but I probably would have said the same thing.

 

 

The problem I have with this is you were just recently talking about how the wolves on opposite teams are hunting each other. What you're implying here is that they aren't on the same team. That doesn't mean they aren't both wolves.

 

 

 

 

 

I took away the larger part of this quote. Anyway, I was going to point this out myself. This was weird of Verbal to say. It´s quite possible that I want to vote Verbal today. I haven´t read the cases on him very thoroughly but I didn´t like how he went after Leelou. I think it was clear that he suspected her, yet he point out that he never has said that she is mafia. 

 

 

Sili - Beren Erchamion, town vanilla has been modkilled for post editing.

 

:( 

 

Sili is great and all but him flipping town doesn't mean his read was correct. You know this.

 

I agree. However, Sili has made much more sense this game than in any game I have seen him in and I was already getting weird vibes from Verb.

 

How did Verb know Tina was going to vote him without reading the thread?

 

Because I always do. :)  Just like I always view him on N1 if I´m cop. 

 

Why are you throwing around that you have a peek? If that's true, it's something to keep quiet about until you have useful information. I don't believe you.

 

I don´t get this either. 

 

 

I will soon answer Dice´s post as soon as I understand how to make it smaller without loosing the important content. 

[Thane Vakarian]

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf. 

[Niniel]

 

 

I started with Dice because he hasn´t got many posts. 

 

First he votes Talya to welcome her. He says that AJ´s first post doesn´t make him want to vote AJ. He asks Eldrick not to call Laine AJ since it´s confusing. He jokes with Yates about Mother´s Day. 

 

Then he asks for how many votes Sooh had. I don´t know why he asked because, from what I can see, he never comes back to Sooh again. 

 

 

 

 

I have read up but im at work and have a migraine so this is gonna be brief

 

Seph  you are clearer this game. good one. But the change in the tone of your posts has me wondering. Show me some of that seph analysis will ya?  I mentored Seph last game one of the things we spoke about was he needed to work on his clarity. Reading his sentences was difficult. the insight was re something he did when deciding on turin at endgame

 

Pizzaguy   Gday im Dice.  So far i have a town lean on you but as i dont know you I am gonna have that with a pinch of salt just in case

 

Yates and Manbat   Those 2 posts one after the other...why do you think the opposite in regards to seph? and no monstr i dont know why u were giving seph town points unless it was cause he happily agreed to less MQing.    Manbat and Yates posted 2 opposite theories re Seph. Yates was the next post after Manbats. Manbat had said something like "theres a reason im clearing seph  tell me what it is" I couldnt work it out

 

im gonna go sit in the dark now

 

 

I have removed the fluff from the post above. I´m sorry that you have had migraine. It´s really painfull. 

 

I don´t understand his comment about Seph. He is clearer but his tone has him wondering. So, does he like him or not? I guess he thinks his analysis is townie, so he kind of asks him to be more townie.

 

He has a townlead on Pizza but it´s not worth much since he doesn´t know Pizza. 

 

I don´t remember the posts that lead him to ask that of Yates and Manbat but he doesn´t know why Manbat calls Seph town. 

 

This post is mostly fencesitting. 

 

 

 

 

**snip**

 

I don´t have any oppinion at all of Sooh right now. 

 

Cory wants me to tell you that he knows you're town so this is par for the course...

 

and he put one of these

 

 

Well, this is weird talking through you. Say hi to Cory.  Cory is the one who can read me the best. 

 

 

Need to sleep now. See you tomorrow. 

 

 

Dont like this. ignoring the from cory messages cause thats been dealt with. What I dont like is that this comes accross as Tina using Cory to get Townie points. Add that to the fact im not seeing clear TownTina like i usually do and im getting sus on her.

 

Unvote

 

Vote:Tina

 

 

Before this he has said that Zander looks like Zander = good. Here is where he is voting me. This was when I had some preassure on me, especially from AJ. 

 

You beat me to it but yes i remember.  its a little vague but your posts below help jog my memory

 

^^ Every once in a while I remember a couple of the tricks my scum mates use to their advantage. Cory "read" Tina as Town to pocket her for the game. Also, I don't recall but did you Town read her right away in that game?

 

 

 

Also, I don't recall but did you Town read her right away in that game?

I just did a quick check and I don't think you did. In fact, you agreed with someone about Tina looking suspicious for saying Cory usually reads her well and she would be concerned if he didn't read her Town. Then a few posts later you say she usually reads YOU pretty well. Do you still think this? Does Tina usually read you pretty well?

 

 

No i dont think i did but my recall of it isnt perfect. I usually see Town Tina pretty quick. im not perfect tho  if her activity is kinda spotty i can miss it. 

 

And thats part of the problem i had with her   i thought i was totally on my TownDice meta something she usually sees easily and she was sus of me that game.

 

ok fair enuff. she has a town history of doing it. i still dont like it tho.

 

now you got me wondering about Sooh. And you.

 

He changes his mind when he saw Yates´s post and unvoted me in his next post. No more preassure on me.   I looked back at the game and yates' point made me reevaluate. You went up. Sooh went down.

 

 

[v]Yates[/v]

 

 

The question was for Hallia but I guess she's gone now.

 

Yes, Yates. I've been rolling the idea around in my head most of the day that he could be scum here. It's a little hard to articulate but I am just getting bad vibes from him. Usually by now I think I would feel reasonably okay about him if he were a villager considering the amount of content he has. The fact that I don't worries me. There's some things he's done that trouble me and I feel like since I am shoring up on some of my villager reads and he is left out of them this is a positive direction for me to move in.

 

For instance, I wasn't particularly fond of the way he reacted to Sooh voting him earlier. The way he postured around Seph and the EP wagons made me uncomfortable then and still does now in light of EP's soft balling and Seph's later profession. He hedged on his read of Zander saying he liked the post but also leaves himself open to possibly move there later. I also think he went over the top complimenting Tina on her posts and I'm curious as to his focus regarding me and my read of her. He also made a comment towards her early on that basically soft balled a town read on her slot. I haven't really decided how I feel about the entire interaction completely but I could see scum!Yates doing this as a pocketing attempt on a town!Tina

 

You just locked your self in blue.

 

The thing i have noticed,  particularly when i answered him above was that I cant point to anything and say thats typical yates. Aside from the pumpkin thing but that was kinda meh to me actually cause id seen it before.

 

His posts that I responded to can definetly be taken 2 ways and im umming and ahhing which way to go. I shouldnt be doing that with him.

 

I do want to see his response tho before i vote

 

 

Here he agrees with AJ about Yates and locked him in blue. I guess that means that he is super townie. But still, he wants Yates to answer first before he votes. So it´s an intent to vote him.  Nope it was a I find him iffy and want more. I dont do intend to vote. i either vote or I dont. I did kinda answer this for someone else earlier too. cass i think

 

After this he has a few post where he for example point out to Sili that Tress is town. 

 

 

only up to page 59 and have a wicked migraine and work all day  will do what i can

 

the yates lynch stinks.

 

@yates  I want to see you town it up cause right now im concerned you're gonna have to be lynched again. Liking what i have seen of yates 2 so far

 

This is after Yates lynch. Now he says that Yates´s lynch stinks. Even though he intended to vote him yesterday (but never did). But at the same time he wants Yates to be more townie so that he won´t be lynched again.

 

 

Conclusion: Dice doesn´t take many stances and easily gives up the reads he has. This doesn´t give me a good impression of him. But... some of it might be explained by him not being here duing the Yates action, with claiming etc. I can´t really blame people for not having more reads and being more active since I self haven´t been doing it enough. But from the content I think he is very vague and easily convinced. Scum vibe. 

 

He claimed BP PR AND FARAMIR!  why people did not pull straight off him i do not know. 

 

the Red.  Make sure you get this clearly. his is NOT at Yates. this is at Yates 2.0. different beast. He replaced in. He MAY have replaced in as scum. And i am very worried about that slot now and want it clear asap. hence telling him to show me he is town fast and clearly.

 

 

1. About you mentoring Seph and telling him to clarify - okay. Didn´t have that background information. 

2. Maybe it´s the English but I still don´t get it. You didn´t understand Manbat´s reasons. That I get know. But I still find it weird to ask others on their oppinions on why the posts where different. I don´t know how to explain it - it´s like you are sitting back and letting others do the talking.

3. About Yates answering - okay. I took it as you intended to vote him. 

4. But why do you say that Yates 2.0 need to town it up and that you are worried that he will get lynched again if you liked his game so far? And now you say that you are worried about him. It sounds like a contradiction to me. 

 

Oh i missed something in that MQ Tina   the question about Soohs votes   she had like 4 votes iirc and they seemed to pile up quick.

 

 

now im gonna be a hypocrite and 

 

vote:sooh

 

I had a sudden gut reaction yesterday and as said before i was gonna vote sooh but i didnt make DL. Then there was the weirdness of asking about sili. Thats almost TOO obvious. However i do think it may happen if mafia left instructions like "when one of those two are lead wagons end day" and the others were not around at the time.

 

her response of  i wanted to check my mentor and my reads havent changed but have a bit   didnt help.

 

And what where you going to do with that information? Try to stop her train. Look at someone on her train? Join it? 

[Niniel]

[v]Leelou[/v]

 

This is were i'd like to place my vote for today. For me it seems the right choice to find a wolf. 

 

Why? 

[Niniel]

3, 5 hours left. I should be able to do at least some iso before then. I´ll continue with Laine. 

[Alot]

Only a couple hours left.  To clarify, we need to reach that minimum number of votes given by Clov in order for a lynch to happen or just more votes than any other person being voted?