A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

Regardless if you come back as town or mafia I don't expect you to change any reads.

I have you as the least of my suspects as I want to see what alot of Phoenix will do, as alot did not post that much.

 

 

Also alot of Phoenix is better than 2.0 I like it.

 

let's put it this way, if I had replaced in as mafia I would have subtly removed anyone that were actually on that team from my list. Since I'm still advocating my list 100% you can be sure that that is not the case. However, like I said I do want to pull up what Alot had to say see if there were any useable reads there. I'll get to that after a quick smoke.

 

People in your list might not be on your team, so you still could have replaced in as mafia. 

 

Thank you.

 

Yeah - my WIM is busted.  I think someone said it best that when a player replaces into game they bring their old prejudices back with them, and this is I feel the case.  I am our town bodyguard.  I guarded AJ N1 and Pizza last night.  Trying to go through and get an updated read list.

 

Clovdyx has Internet again!  Official Vote Count Two:

 

Hallia (4/9): Yates, Eternal Phoenix, Talya, TinaHel

Laine (1/9): Leelou

Thane (1/9): Hallia

 

Not Voting (18/19):

Sooh, Aiel Heart, Dice, Thane, Krak, Taborline, Andrej, Alannalynn, Seph, Cass, Pizza

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.  Deadline is at 12:15 PM on May 19th, 2015.

 

People don't look too great on the Hallia wagon right now.

 

What's up Yates, dude? I saw you only talk about one of the NKs. Your thoughts on that?

 

I'm gonna need to go back and read Alot and Tina over again. Alot would be in the lower part of my list mostly through POE and I don't really like EP emphasizing his reads over again as if it proves anything. Tina I am getting concerned about because she has become more quiet as the game goes on, which worries me. I'm curious now if I was actually correct D1 when I voted her.

 

 

This was @Laine:

 

so you agree on the points I make about Hallia and then say you have me as a scum read. Aren't thouse contradictory even in a multiball scenario?

 

Not if Laine is town and thinks you two are on opposing teams.

 

Think about it.

 

okay some weird stuff is happening right now can't quote can't get posts to go through right, but Hallia, why'd you choose AJ night 1?

 

also [unvote][v]Tina[/v]

 

Why Tina?

 

because Tina is number 2 on my list she pushed pretty hard on my 1.0 incarnations mason partner Zander. I never liked her case. She was very iffy to me.

[dicetosser1]

 

Look. I'm TRYING to help town the best way I can, which is by pointing out people I find scummy. I'm aware that a bunch of my reads haven't changed, but that's because I still see people the same way. I'll try to do a better job of explaining myself, but I can't promise grand multiquote posts and stuff, because I have simply too much to do IRL at the moment. 

 

I'm not convinced Hallia is scum, but I'm willing to be talked into it. Same with Heart or Taborline. Tina I'm happy with as Town. 

 

Wha?

 

Vote: Sooh

 

 

I am now happy to leave hally alone now.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I cannot reveal which action I chose to take last night, but my failure in whatever I was doing is obvious- my protection did not succeed or I did not roleblock the correct parties.

 

This is all I can say on the matter until I see a specific wolf role die and be revealed.

 

Do not ask me any further questions about this. It is the one subject in the game I cannot discuss.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am sure, now that you mention it!  

 

And I'll go back to

 

Vote: Thane

 

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

 

All this does is make people look at Hallia with hairy eyeballs. It makes little sense given what has gone down so far this game.

 

This is the sort of thing villagers tend to do.

 

 

Ugh.  Catching up I forgot he was cleared through Pizza. >.<

 

The general lack of any real posting besides sniping.

 

Gonna have to really read through again.

 

 

Follows the same thought pattern, doesn't feel staged. Like, oh shoot! I forgot he was cleared, vote Somebody.

 

This reads true.

 

In post 2542 EP points out she didn't unvote.

 

I think that's actually slightly clearing for her.

 

 

I didn't realize I'd played that many games with you EP

 

Are you worried there's going to be a sudden train on him then, that you're so worried I didn't immediately unvote?

 

 

I like this reaction to EP's question.

 

 

nope I'm just noting that you say he's been cleared and yet you leave your vote on him, very untown-like thought process

 

 

Bull.

 

 

well if you consider I want to be rid of the exact same people as EP 1.0 that should tell you both something

 

 

Yes, it tells me you replaced in as a wolf.

 

That nothing changed seems to indicate that you are frozen in place. Villagers' reads should be dynamic, wolves' tend to be frozen.

 

It indicates you think you can cling on to your villager self from another role and blur the two together.

 

They are not the same, and Alot was a wolf alot of the time.

 

Vote: Eternal Phoenix

 

 

@ Andrej- would you vote to lynch Alotta Phoenix, or is that never on your radar today?

[Sooh]

Pizza? What happened to your wolf read on AJ?

 

And yes, I still have to get back to you on that one...

[Talya]

@Hally - another bulletproof role, we seemed to have so many. Who are you?

 

[unvote] for now

 

I can't go back and look now AJ shouldn't be here.

Not liking the response from Pizza at present needs watching. Anything has to wait

[Askthepizzaguy]

Another bulletproof role would be imbalanced, imo.

[Thane Vakarian]

depends on how much wolves are out there. Seeing the possible number, and possibility of 2 teams, there could be 2 NK's around as well.

[Askthepizzaguy]

At this point the wolves might be glad to get rid of other wolves. Since there were a lot of people reading Andrej as scum, why wasn't he murdered?

There's basically no interest in lynching him either. Where did that go?

If the wolf teams believed he might be a wolf on the opposing team, they could get villagery credits for lynching Andrej while removing a rival.

Why would a wolf team not vote for someone who looks wolfy to people? Especially since wolves will have a much easier time solving for other wolves than basic villagers should.

I get why you don't murder Andrej, kinda. He could be lynchable.

But then not lynching him? Just feels strange to me.

I think the wolves would be pushing their top suspects for opposing wolves today. Andrej isn't even on the radar.


 

[Askthepizzaguy]

At this point the wolves might be glad to get rid of other wolves.

 

....

 

But then not lynching him? Just feels strange to me.

 

I think the wolves would be pushing their top suspects for opposing wolves today. Andrej isn't even on the radar.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I just expose the entire bit of treachery today?

 

My bad.

 

I try to shut off my senses and act like an unaware villager, but when I see things I generally tend to point them out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So wolves gonna eat each other today. I guess that's fine with me.

 

Thanks for clearing Andrej for me, guys. Seriously, I never would have seen that without your direct help.

 

Kudos.

[Askthepizzaguy]

depends on how much wolves are out there. Seeing the possible number, and possibility of 2 teams, there could be 2 NK's around as well.

I didn't see another bulletproof claim, but my instinct is to lynch any further bulletproof claimants. One was a villager, 2 would be horribly imbalanced.

[Gabriel Kross]

 

I am sure, now that you mention it!  

 

And I'll go back to

 

Vote: Thane

 

I think I was right here, unless I see something that changes it.

 

All this does is make people look at Hallia with hairy eyeballs. It makes little sense given what has gone down so far this game.

 

This is the sort of thing villagers tend to do.

 

 

Ugh.  Catching up I forgot he was cleared through Pizza. >.<

 

The general lack of any real posting besides sniping.

 

Gonna have to really read through again.

 

 

Follows the same thought pattern, doesn't feel staged. Like, oh shoot! I forgot he was cleared, vote Somebody.

 

This reads true.

 

In post 2542 EP points out she didn't unvote.

 

I think that's actually slightly clearing for her.

 

 

I didn't realize I'd played that many games with you EP

 

Are you worried there's going to be a sudden train on him then, that you're so worried I didn't immediately unvote?

 

 

I like this reaction to EP's question.

 

 

nope I'm just noting that you say he's been cleared and yet you leave your vote on him, very untown-like thought process

 

 

Bull.

 

 

well if you consider I want to be rid of the exact same people as EP 1.0 that should tell you both something

 

 

Yes, it tells me you replaced in as a wolf.

 

That nothing changed seems to indicate that you are frozen in place. Villagers' reads should be dynamic, wolves' tend to be frozen.

 

It indicates you think you can cling on to your villager self from another role and blur the two together.

 

They are not the same, and Alot was a wolf alot of the time.

 

Vote: Eternal Phoenix

 

 

@ Andrej- would you vote to lynch Alotta Phoenix, or is that never on your radar today?

 

goodluck with that buddy

 

@Hally - another bulletproof role, we seemed to have so many. Who are you?

 

[unvote] for now

 

I can't go back and look now AJ shouldn't be here.

Not liking the response from Pizza at present needs watching. Anything has to wait

Hally didn't claim bulletproof she claimed bodyguard and from what I remember bodyguard dies in place of the protected target you Talya are mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd like to see some of Hallia's teammates bussing her, too. Let's go, come on now, let's not keep me waiting.

 

I demand entertainment. I am a pizzaguy looking at a long list of dead villagers, and a lot of wolves ignoring villagers right now.

 

Let the bloodbath begin.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, EP, you throw Talya under the bus today, and I'm lynching you next. I promise you that much.

 

But please, by all means, continue. It pleases me.

[Gabriel Kross]

I'd like to see some of Hallia's teammates bussing her, too. Let's go, come on now, let's not keep me waiting.

 

I demand entertainment. I am a pizzaguy looking at a long list of dead villagers, and a lot of wolves ignoring villagers right now.

 

Let the bloodbath begin.

what makes you say Hallia's mafia? Bodyguard is a town role right? Sure outside of the claim I really didn't like Hallia's play this game but I've never heard of a non-town bodyguard

[Gabriel Kross]

Oh, EP, you throw Talya under the bus today, and I'm lynching you next. I promise you that much.

 

But please, by all means, continue. It pleases me.

maybe you should reign yourself in. I'm not mafia I'm just a guy trying to keep peace in Gondor, even have a tower named after me.

[Gabriel Kross]

also what happened to the "ask me anything pizza" now it's all "carnage and chaos pizza"

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

I'd like to see some of Hallia's teammates bussing her, too. Let's go, come on now, let's not keep me waiting.

 

I demand entertainment. I am a pizzaguy looking at a long list of dead villagers, and a lot of wolves ignoring villagers right now.

 

Let the bloodbath begin.

what makes you say Hallia's mafia? Bodyguard is a town role right? Sure outside of the claim I really didn't like Hallia's play this game but I've never heard of a non-town bodyguard

 

Sure, because Hallia the scumbag never claims a protection role when she's being lynched.

 

I know you're a better villager than this, because I have two functioning brain cells and I remember things that happened literally yesterday.

 

You are not going to distance yourself from Talya here successfully, but I want you to continue doing so.

 

Village has a lot of catchup to do, and I encourage wolves to contribute to that process.

[Askthepizzaguy]

also what happened to the "ask me anything pizza" now it's all "carnage and chaos pizza"

I tend to get a little bloodthirsty when I see wolves acting tremendously foolish right in front of my very own eyes.

 

It's like a gigantic traffic pile up between wolves in the thread right now, and I'm laughing my tits off and pouring gasoline on the fire.

[Gabriel Kross]

 

also what happened to the "ask me anything pizza" now it's all "carnage and chaos pizza"

I tend to get a little bloodthirsty when I see wolves acting tremendously foolish right in front of my very own eyes.

 

It's like a gigantic traffic pile up between wolves in the thread right now, and I'm laughing my tits off and pouring gasoline on the fire.

 

you should read the post between this one and the last one you quoted, there's a valuable nugget of information in there

[Askthepizzaguy]

You fake claimed, and this is very impressive to me.

 

Job well done.

[Gabriel Kross]

You fake claimed, and this is very impressive to me.

 

Job well done.

okay you know what you've got a stick in your eye or up your butt or something because I've done nothing but search for BOTH mafia teams. If you're that blinded by your own desperation we as a town are going to lose at this point you have my reads you have my list. I'm done with this farce I let Darthe talk me into replacing in when all I wanted was the dead thread. When you're done lynching me my bah post will read I told you so. Good day sir.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

You fake claimed, and this is very impressive to me.

 

Job well done.

okay you know what you've got a stick in your eye or up your butt or something because I've done nothing but search for BOTH mafia teams. If you're that blinded by your own desperation we as a town are going to lose at this point you have my reads you have my list. I'm done with this farce I let Darthe talk me into replacing in when all I wanted was the dead thread. When you're done lynching me my bah post will read I told you so. Good day sir.

 

Did I do anything even remotely unexpected? I had Alot as a wolf suspect yesterday.

 

You replaced in, and under the slightest wavering whiff of suspicion from me, you decided you wanted to hint you were Ecthelion I.

 

Based on being voted precisely once by a guy who suspected the guy you replaced.

 

You're daffy if you think playing the woe is me card even makes SENSE here. It's beyond unpersuasive, it's downright loony.

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

You fake claimed, and this is very impressive to me.

 

Job well done.

okay you know what you've got a stick in your eye or up your butt or something because I've done nothing but search for BOTH mafia teams. If you're that blinded by your own desperation we as a town are going to lose at this point you have my reads you have my list. I'm done with this farce I let Darthe talk me into replacing in when all I wanted was the dead thread. When you're done lynching me my bah post will read I told you so. Good day sir.

 

Did I do anything even remotely unexpected? I had Alot as a wolf suspect yesterday.

 

You replaced in, and under the slightest wavering whiff of suspicion from me, you decided you wanted to hint you were Ecthelion I.

 

Based on being voted precisely once by a guy who suspected the guy you replaced.

 

You're daffy if you think playing the woe is me card even makes SENSE here. It's beyond unpersuasive, it's downright loony.

 

I'm not playing any cards, you realize the mafia don't care about lynching their opposing teams because they are probably thinning out the town so they can just shoot each other at the end, less targets for them means higher likelyhood to take down their enemies in night actions. it's going to end with the mafia teams leading the few town they left alive to pick which mafia team they want to win at this stage in the game there is no other outcome when people don't participate in debates and throw their votes in at the last second. We deserve to lose.