[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

Yates · March 16, 2015

Didn't look consistent at all.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm not sharp and not thinking two steps ahead. The idea came to me while typing that post. So I get why you wouldn't see it as consistent. However, I think that also points to Yates Town. Yates scum [or even Yates 3rd Party] has a plan and sticks to it and doesn't have inconsistencies. I think that's about as much as I'm going to be able to self assess my own alignment. There's really every reason for anyone familiar with my meta to see Yates Town here. The fact I haven't been killed means I have some bad reads and have been helping scum, though - or that scum think they can get me mislynched. So I have to think about that...

Clovdyx · March 16, 2015

Also,

3) Why were you giving MrsClov the third degree treatment there? That's why I said I would have considered day vigging you, btw - you had absolutely no business acting like she was one of your suspects.
Weird. I thought you knew what I was doing with that and thought maybe you thought I was trying to soft claim your role. As a side note, that was a further vet on you. If you were fake hinting scum, I would have expected you to back off or go full Yates Town support.

No, my post about knowing what was going on because I thought you were presenting yourself to be the scribe at that point. The MrsClov flipping from confirmed town to POE is why I thought it was sketchy, despite a plausible PR hint.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

@Sili - serious question; have you ever provided vig cover as scum?

Nope. But I don't want you to use that as a way to say I'm town. It's very weak reasoning in my opinion.

Clovdyx · March 16, 2015

All right, this is my reads list right now.

10. MrsClov

4. Sili

13. Dice

3. Thane

7. Leelou

11. Yates

9. Darthe

12. Eldrick (Zashara)

FWIW, I think testing Leelou is a good play. It's risky, but I think we would have seen a hidden vote by now (unless it doesn't show up on the count, I guess). Leelou is only as high as she is because the claim, and Thane is mostly a gut read. Darthe and Yates would have been flipped but Yates' answer to #4 is plausible. EVERYONE - Do NOT clear him just for giving PR cover; he OPENED a game giving PR cover as scum in a game I was spectating/mentoring Nyn. He was teammates with Darthe, so if Darthe has made any posts (I'd have to go back and check) about that being an inherently town move for Yates to make, they're probably scum together.

Still don't trust Eldrick's constant flipping. It could be inexperienced, but I believe somebody insinuated he's played before. Might have been Lily in the sign up thread.

Now, I'm out guys. Good luck with the rest of the game everyone - I wish I could stay until finish, but I'm starting my new job tomorrow and will begin three weeks training in Texas the following Monday. Combined that with classes, and I'm not sure I can give this game the attention it deserves. Alanna has already found a replacement and I assume that person will be ushered in shortly. Town - KICK SOME ASS.

MrsClov · March 16, 2015

I keep wanting to have thoughts and say something helpful, but I'm drawing a blank. Going to call it a night and look at things with a fresh set of eyes tomorrow.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

I wish we had one more mislynch.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

Clov, why is Thane above Leelou? is it just because darthe wanted to lynch him?

And I don't doubt you're town at this point, but it could be important to know your thoughts.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

So let's say we kill Dice and 2 scum. 3 nights. 3 night kills.

Since we have 4 quasi-clears, we're in pretty good shape still.

MrsClov · March 16, 2015

This might be more of a note to myself when I look at everything again tomorrow, but anyone can answer if they want..

It seems like basically everyone has a case on them.

What's likely the most sound case and what's most likely the weirdest/ most bogus case?

Not sure if this is going to lead to anything, just something I want to ponder as I feel like we're going in circles.

dicetosser1 · March 16, 2015

most sound case is that Im not town cause im not im survivor. Most bogus is this rubbish worry that i may actually be mafia.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

most sound case is that Im not town cause im not im survivor. Most bogus is this rubbish worry that i may actually be mafia.

lolDice.

Alanna · March 16, 2015

Vote Count:

Eldrick (3) - Clov, MrsClov, dice

dice (2) - Sili, Darthe

Sili (1) - Eldrick

Not Voting: Yates, Leelou, Thane

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is Tuesday, March 17th @ 9PM CST.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

So this basically proves Eldrick is scum if I`m not mistaken. Eldrick has been stuck at 3 votes with at least two villagers on him for an entire day, and we haven't lost.

MrsClov · March 16, 2015

I should have specified best/worst case on someone beside's yourself.

MrsClov · March 16, 2015

So this basically proves Eldrick is scum if I`m not mistaken. Eldrick has been stuck at 3 votes with at least two villagers on him for an entire day, and we haven't lost.

Not sure how that proves much.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

So this basically proves Eldrick is scum if I`m not mistaken. Eldrick has been stuck at 3 votes with at least two villagers on him for an entire day, and we haven't lost.

Not sure how that proves much.

Consider that there are 3 mafia. If they mislynch Eldrick, the numbers are 3-3-1 tomorrow. Dice, who doesn't know the deep wolf will have no recourse but to side with mafia and lynch a villager.

Even if Dice is mafia, we have an extra mislynch so basically there's no 'harm' in lynching Eldrick at this point. Although I suggest we lynch Dice for the information and not inadvertently lynch a villager.

The lynch order is Dice -> Eldrick -> Darthe/Yates -> Thane

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

Basically, if Dice is a survivor and there are three mafia, then Eldrick is outed.

If Dice isn't a survivor or there aren't three mafia, then lynching Eldrick won't lose us the game.

Finally, if we lynch Dice, we'll be able to figure out what world we live in and it won't cost us anything, so we might as well lynch Dice.

MrsClov · March 16, 2015

So this basically proves Eldrick is scum if I`m not mistaken. Eldrick has been stuck at 3 votes with at least two villagers on him for an entire day, and we haven't lost.

Not sure how that proves much.

Consider that there are 3 mafia. If they mislynch Eldrick, the numbers are 3-3-1 tomorrow. Dice, who doesn't know the deep wolf will have no recourse but to side with mafia and lynch a villager.

Even if Dice is mafia, we have an extra mislynch so basically there's no 'harm' in lynching Eldrick at this point. Although I suggest we lynch Dice for the information and not inadvertently lynch a villager.

The lynch order is Dice -> Eldrick -> Darthe/Yates -> Thane

A few posts ago you said we didn't have an extra mislynch, and have made it seem like we're at lylo,

Also, I'm not lynching Dice today. I don't think he'd be this forthcoming with information if he was lying about being a survivor. We've got time, we can figure this out, and honestly I really don't think we're going to get nearly as much info from lynching Dice as you think we will. I kind of feel like your reason for dice is coming down to no better option/ not wanting to put in the work to find the better option.

Also, [v] unvote[/v] I need to think more.

Leelou · March 16, 2015

I'm just not voting anyone right now because I realized we have a long deadline.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

So this basically proves Eldrick is scum if I`m not mistaken. Eldrick has been stuck at 3 votes with at least two villagers on him for an entire day, and we haven't lost.

Not sure how that proves much.

Consider that there are 3 mafia. If they mislynch Eldrick, the numbers are 3-3-1 tomorrow. Dice, who doesn't know the deep wolf will have no recourse but to side with mafia and lynch a villager.

Even if Dice is mafia, we have an extra mislynch so basically there's no 'harm' in lynching Eldrick at this point. Although I suggest we lynch Dice for the information and not inadvertently lynch a villager.

The lynch order is Dice -> Eldrick -> Darthe/Yates -> Thane

A few posts ago you said we didn't have an extra mislynch, and have made it seem like we're at lylo,

Also, I'm not lynching Dice today. I don't think he'd be this forthcoming with information if he was lying about being a survivor. We've got time, we can figure this out, and honestly I really don't think we're going to get nearly as much info from lynching Dice as you think we will. I kind of feel like your reason for dice is coming down to no better option/ not wanting to put in the work to find the better option.

Also, [v] unvote[/v] I need to think more.

The situation is

5 Town

3 Mafia

1 Survivor

Or,

6 Town

3 Mafia

In the first case, we lynch a villager, Next Day:

3 Town

3 Mafia

1 Survivor

Survivor sides with Mafia and we lose.

In the second case, we lynch a villager, Next Day:

4 Town

3 Mafia

Lylo.

If we lynch Dice, in the first case,

4 Town

3 Mafia

Lylo.

If we lynch Dice, in the second case,

5 Town

2 Mafia

Not Lylo.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

So this basically proves Eldrick is scum if I`m not mistaken. Eldrick has been stuck at 3 votes with at least two villagers on him for an entire day, and we haven't lost.

Not sure how that proves much.

Consider that there are 3 mafia. If they mislynch Eldrick, the numbers are 3-3-1 tomorrow. Dice, who doesn't know the deep wolf will have no recourse but to side with mafia and lynch a villager.

Even if Dice is mafia, we have an extra mislynch so basically there's no 'harm' in lynching Eldrick at this point. Although I suggest we lynch Dice for the information and not inadvertently lynch a villager.

The lynch order is Dice -> Eldrick -> Darthe/Yates -> Thane

A few posts ago you said we didn't have an extra mislynch, and have made it seem like we're at lylo,

Also, I'm not lynching Dice today. I don't think he'd be this forthcoming with information if he was lying about being a survivor. We've got time, we can figure this out, and honestly I really don't think we're going to get nearly as much info from lynching Dice as you think we will. I kind of feel like your reason for dice is coming down to no better option/ not wanting to put in the work to find the better option.

Also, [v] unvote[/v] I need to think more.

Between Yates, Darthe, and Thane, I really have no idea who to put down as scum. Leelou could also fit into a mafia team.

Lynching dice is just kind of safe. He isn't really helping us. He's a liability. It gives us mod-confirmed information. It's tactically speaking the best option, and safest play.

Yes, it prolongs the game, but I'm more concerned about winning it.

Sili Quirrels · March 16, 2015

Most people think it's 5-3-1, which is for our purposes, lylo since Dice will inevitably side with scum as a survivor.

MrsClov · March 16, 2015

We have time. Would rather find actual mafia. We need an actual mafia flip. If we get that we can probably piece together who the teammates are.

MrsClov · March 16, 2015

Most people think it's 5-3-1, which is for our purposes, lylo since Dice will inevitably side with scum as a survivor.

It's not like he has actual knowledge of who scum is. You make it seem like he does. Obviously different tactics for different people, but I've played survivor just as I would a vanilla town role.

dicetosser1 · March 16, 2015

Sili dont tell me what I will have no recourse to do. i have said it again and again I am working for Town. I will vote who i think is mafia and your name is starting to go around a lot in my thinking

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