[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Not to play up the home wrecker vibe, but I think you may be getting soul read from your missus here, dude.

 

I remember earlier on around the time I voted you we literally posted the same "that sounds like semantics" argument  at exactly the same time which I attributed as a check mark in my read on her.

 

Granted, I liked some of your other content that I glanced over getting to this point, or at least to say how you presented it in a neat fashion - but I'm far from trusting you at this point and that bugs me.

 

I don't understand your stance on mrs.clov.

[Andrej]

To keep it short and sweet I'm not gonna make some lengthy post quoting a bunch of different people. I'm just not really in the mood to Mafia tonight and I feel sort of disconnected from this game as my focus has been elsewhere. In the mean time, I'll give some impressions and over the weekend I should be able to shore up my reads into something solid and contribute more in a present state versus playing catch up.

 

Anyway - I like the way Verb and Nyn are playing thus far. They are carrying themselves in a way that speaks of confidence in their ability and alignment and I don't get the vibe that they are being nefarious. I think Verb's handling of both Darthe and Yates is pretty legitimate and I think the points he has raised in both directions have merit. Likewise with Nyn. While I still disagree with her initial assessment on Zasha, I've noticed through our time playing together that she normally picks up the small things that I would miss when she is a townie. If, in the end, she was correct I wouldn't be at all surprised.

 

MrsClov is pretty high on my townie list as well for noticing similar things about Clov. I feel like if there's anyone who would spot some sketchiness in him, it would be her so I feel pretty comfortable seeing that she's pointed out some of the same things that I have before I missed most of today. I also don't really mind her vote on Thane seeing as how I can see from her perspective that his posting style would come across badly. I'm willing to chalk that up to her being unfamiliar with him more than anything.

 

At this point I would say those three are my top town leans.

 

After them I have Leelou and Sili as middling town reads. Leelou strikes me as easy going this round and I don't mind at all the things she pointed out regarding Barm or the way she has voted thus far. Sili seems invested and confusing as usual, which I think is probably a good sign that the wheels in his head are turning overtime.

 

 

The remaining players I don't really have arranged in any particular order except to say that I don't have town reads on them yet. I could mention specific things that I'm uncomfortable with or didn't like but I don't really feel like typing that much more at this point.

[Sili Quirrels]

I make a lot of sense.

[Andrej]

To yourself, perhaps.

[Sili Quirrels]

I checked my iso, and I can confirm I make sense.

[Sili Quirrels]

To yourself, perhaps.

I wish you would bring up what's confusing so I can fix it.

[Andrej]

 

To yourself, perhaps.

 

I wish you would bring up what's confusing so I can fix it.

 

That probably wasn't the most apt description.

 

Erratic, maybe? But not in a negative context. I really don't know how to describe it, you just seem very in the moment and your thoughts shift a lot.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

To yourself, perhaps.

 

I wish you would bring up what's confusing so I can fix it.

 

That probably wasn't the most apt description.

 

Erratic, maybe? But not in a negative context. I really don't know how to describe it, you just seem very in the moment and your thoughts shift a lot.

 

Oh.

 

Yes, that's a pretty good description of my play style.

 

Sometimes I'm a little more reserved, and I appear less random, but those are the times you need to watch me carefully.

[dicetosser1]

Ok here now. I was reading a really good book and that takes precedence over life, eating, sleeping, mafia, all of life. (The Broken Eye by Brent Weeks for anyone who cares)

 

Thoughts so far:

 

- Zasha is pretty neutral to me so far, I see Nyn's arguments but I don't agree with them, probably because I know Zasha better than any of the rest of you and I know her life has been pretty crazy lately so everything she has said so far is consistent to me.

- Nyn and Verb seem pretty town to me.

- Sili is not coming across as scum to me and that is just mindblowing. I had every expectation of wanting to vote him within the first 5 pages even before the game started.

- Dislike Darthe's blatant skimming.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

See now heres the thing making me think darthe may be town. He was absolutely blatant that he was skimming. Doing that around here can be tantamount to suicide at times and he knows it.

 

I really dont like you using this as the sole reason for voting Darthe. its far too weak

 

Arranged linearly:

 

Strong Town Leans:

MrsClov

Clov

Nyn

Aj

Zash

 

Weak Town Leans:

Yates

 

Null:

Lily

Leelou

 

Weak Scum Leans:

Dice

Thane

Darthe

 

Strong Scum Leans:

Barm

Verbal

 

Sili do you wanna define your meaning of the word null for me?  To me if you have nothing to judge a person on   and granted ive had like what? 2 posts? which IS nothing, then how are they anything EXCEPT null?? Unless they do a Rand or a Tommy and one of those posts is a mafia claim?

 

 

 

Clov, is there anything you want to talk to me about?

 

Actually,  yes.  I saw your post about defending Darthe, as you were null on him, earlier and meant to ask you about it.  

 

I get the logic - random gives people a better chance to be town than mafia - but it didn't seem like you had any scum reads when you were defending him.  Remember, you were backing him before Verbal really got on him and before Barm hopped on you.  Did you think there was a better person to be pushing at that time than Darthe?

 

No, I don't think there was anyone I wanted to lynch.

 

The idea and motive behind my actions is to speak up if I feel people are being unreasonable. It is also my strategy to leave those cases that have merit alone. To be absolutely clear, I am completely fine with cases that go somewhere productive. But I am not okay with witch-hunts on my turf.

 

For Darthe, I wanted to defend him without damaging his wagon, while leaving plenty of room for better cases on him to be built. In much the same way I defended Zash earlier, but also demanded she make an attempt to form reads.

 

 

I read the first part of this line   the part blued       as I want to be seen defending him without stopping him getting lynched so I can turn around and use it to make myself look good.

[dicetosser1]

im having problems getting into this game cause my head is firmly in the Psycho game atm and as such i cant focus on this properly. Will try to do better.

 

Im thinking nyn and verb are town and im leaning that way on darthe as mentioned.

 

Thew clov thing....i reread it and was ready to take umbrage with the semantics argument but then found myself about to do something similar elsewhere so thaT KINDA NULLED HIM FOR ME. (stoopid caps lock).  I have a question for Mrs Clov. Does Mr Clov argue semantics in RL??  and yes i know this is not RL.

 

Not liking Barm and sili as mentioned will

 

vote barm

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Ok here now. I was reading a really good book and that takes precedence over life, eating, sleeping, mafia, all of life. (The Broken Eye by Brent Weeks for anyone who cares)

 

Thoughts so far:

 

- Zasha is pretty neutral to me so far, I see Nyn's arguments but I don't agree with them, probably because I know Zasha better than any of the rest of you and I know her life has been pretty crazy lately so everything she has said so far is consistent to me.

- Nyn and Verb seem pretty town to me.

- Sili is not coming across as scum to me and that is just mindblowing. I had every expectation of wanting to vote him within the first 5 pages even before the game started.

- Dislike Darthe's blatant skimming.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

See now heres the thing making me think darthe may be town. He was absolutely blatant that he was skimming. Doing that around here can be tantamount to suicide at times and he knows it.

 

I really dont like you using this as the sole reason for voting Darthe. its far too weak

 

Arranged linearly:

 

Strong Town Leans:

MrsClov

Clov

Nyn

Aj

Zash

 

Weak Town Leans:

Yates

 

Null:

Lily

Leelou

 

Weak Scum Leans:

Dice

Thane

Darthe

 

Strong Scum Leans:

Barm

Verbal

 

Sili do you wanna define your meaning of the word null for me?  To me if you have nothing to judge a person on   and granted ive had like what? 2 posts? which IS nothing, then how are they anything EXCEPT null?? Unless they do a Rand or a Tommy and one of those posts is a mafia claim?

 

 

 

Clov, is there anything you want to talk to me about?

 

Actually,  yes.  I saw your post about defending Darthe, as you were null on him, earlier and meant to ask you about it.  

 

I get the logic - random gives people a better chance to be town than mafia - but it didn't seem like you had any scum reads when you were defending him.  Remember, you were backing him before Verbal really got on him and before Barm hopped on you.  Did you think there was a better person to be pushing at that time than Darthe?

 

No, I don't think there was anyone I wanted to lynch.

 

The idea and motive behind my actions is to speak up if I feel people are being unreasonable. It is also my strategy to leave those cases that have merit alone. To be absolutely clear, I am completely fine with cases that go somewhere productive. But I am not okay with witch-hunts on my turf.

 

For Darthe, I wanted to defend him without damaging his wagon, while leaving plenty of room for better cases on him to be built. In much the same way I defended Zash earlier, but also demanded she make an attempt to form reads.

 

 

I read the first part of this line   the part blued       as I want to be seen defending him without stopping him getting lynched so I can turn around and use it to make myself look good.

 

My understanding is lack of content is a scum tell for you. That's my reasoning, and your absence was disconcerting.

 

Where have you been?

 

Your choice to read it that way, but what I meant was pretty obviously not that though.

[dicetosser1]

ive been working yesterday, out last night and out today. Its satday here

 

 

so what your saying is you putting a weak scum lean on me becuase of meta you have only HEARD about?? seriously?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Clov, is there anything you want to talk to me about?

 

Actually,  yes.  I saw your post about defending Darthe, as you were null on him, earlier and meant to ask you about it.  

 

I get the logic - random gives people a better chance to be town than mafia - but it didn't seem like you had any scum reads when you were defending him.  Remember, you were backing him before Verbal really got on him and before Barm hopped on you.  Did you think there was a better person to be pushing at that time than Darthe?

 

No, I don't think there was anyone I wanted to lynch.

 

The idea and motive behind my actions is to speak up if I feel people are being unreasonable. It is also my strategy to leave those cases that have merit alone. To be absolutely clear, I am completely fine with cases that go somewhere productive. But I am not okay with witch-hunts on my turf.

 

For Darthe, I wanted to defend him without damaging his wagon, while leaving plenty of room for better cases on him to be built. In much the same way I defended Zash earlier, but also demanded she make an attempt to form reads.

 

 

So you wanted to defend him but not remove votes from him, and still keeping it possible to push him.  Why even bother with a defense then?  

 

[unvote]

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Explain how that makes any sense for someone who doesn't know his alignment to do.

[dicetosser1]

Also  before sil sidetracked me just then

 

 

My lil Archer buddy thane isnt giving me the good vibes i usually get from his town game. Not that he's giving bad vibes as such but by now ive usually seen something I can get hold of as town thane. It may be cause he's sick and ive giving him some latitude because of that.

 

Thane is you dont start showing me ure town im gonna runover you with Bunyan

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Clov, is there anything you want to talk to me about?

 

Actually,  yes.  I saw your post about defending Darthe, as you were null on him, earlier and meant to ask you about it.  

 

I get the logic - random gives people a better chance to be town than mafia - but it didn't seem like you had any scum reads when you were defending him.  Remember, you were backing him before Verbal really got on him and before Barm hopped on you.  Did you think there was a better person to be pushing at that time than Darthe?

 

No, I don't think there was anyone I wanted to lynch.

 

The idea and motive behind my actions is to speak up if I feel people are being unreasonable. It is also my strategy to leave those cases that have merit alone. To be absolutely clear, I am completely fine with cases that go somewhere productive. But I am not okay with witch-hunts on my turf.

 

For Darthe, I wanted to defend him without damaging his wagon, while leaving plenty of room for better cases on him to be built. In much the same way I defended Zash earlier, but also demanded she make an attempt to form reads.

 

 

So you wanted to defend him but not remove votes from him, and still keeping it possible to push him.  Why even bother with a defense then?  

 

[unvote]

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Explain how that makes any sense for someone who doesn't know his alignment to do.

 

lol, I can't believe this is going to be an issue. God damn.

 

Damage on a wagon is not equivalent to weakening a wagon. MY GOAL DEFENDING DARTHE WAS TO CHANGE THE FOCUS TO A MORE PRODUCTIVE LINE OF REASONING.

[Sili Quirrels]

Also  before sil sidetracked me just then

 

 

My lil Archer buddy thane isnt giving me the good vibes i usually get from his town game. Not that he's giving bad vibes as such but by now ive usually seen something I can get hold of as town thane. It may be cause he's sick and ive giving him some latitude because of that.

 

Thane is you dont start showing me ure town im gonna runover you with Bunyan

How the hell did I sidetrack you?

[Clovdyx]

 

I think the reason Darthe's train bugs me is mostly Barm and Lily's vote. Verbal and Leelou have FoSed other people aside from Darthe. Plus Verbal's reason for voting Darthe is legit imo. Lily and Barm, though, have thrown around some town leans but their only suspect is conventionally the leading train. Not sure how I feel about that.

 

I had similar vibes. I sort of cringed looking at their posts when I came across them. Lily's "I would think he's a Jester if it weren't for it not being on the role list" especially so. I don't think wagoning him is bad necessarily, considering some of his actions, I definitely think note of that should be made.

 

 

 

 

 

 

At least one wolf in Verbal, Barm, and Darthe. At least one wolf in Dice, Thane, Lily, and Leelou.

 

That's my analysis of the thread.

 

I don't have a read one way or another on Dice, Thane, or Lily.  Based just on numbers, you might be right, but I don't have enough to push any of them individually.  Don't like the inclusion of Leelou as a candidate.

 

Pretty null on Barm too, but I'm inclined to say you're right about that group because Darthe is probably my top candidate right now.  I don't see Verbal being scum at all right now.

 

If Darthe is your top candidate right now, why are you voting Nyn?

 

 

Just haven't gotten around to moving it off her.

 

 

 

 

A bit WOT on Darthe plus claiming him as your top candidate and you "haven't gotten around to moving it off of Nyn"? Seems... odd. 

 

Not to play up the home wrecker vibe, but I think you may be getting soul read from your missus here, dude.

 

I remember earlier on around the time I voted you we literally posted the same "that sounds like semantics" argument  at exactly the same time which I attributed as a check mark in my read on her.

 

Granted, I liked some of your other content that I glanced over getting to this point, or at least to say how you presented it in a neat fashion - but I'm far from trusting you at this point and that bugs me.

 

 

I think her being willing to speak out against me should probably be considered a good sign for her being town.  

 

As far as the rest of the post, it is what it is.  I don't feel like I've been super scummy or anything, but I can understand an argument for me not being clear lock town.  It's reasonably early on D1.  I feel good enough about you right now that I'm assuming the read will evolve as the game goes on.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

Clov, is there anything you want to talk to me about?

 

Actually,  yes.  I saw your post about defending Darthe, as you were null on him, earlier and meant to ask you about it.  

 

I get the logic - random gives people a better chance to be town than mafia - but it didn't seem like you had any scum reads when you were defending him.  Remember, you were backing him before Verbal really got on him and before Barm hopped on you.  Did you think there was a better person to be pushing at that time than Darthe?

 

No, I don't think there was anyone I wanted to lynch.

 

The idea and motive behind my actions is to speak up if I feel people are being unreasonable. It is also my strategy to leave those cases that have merit alone. To be absolutely clear, I am completely fine with cases that go somewhere productive. But I am not okay with witch-hunts on my turf.

 

For Darthe, I wanted to defend him without damaging his wagon, while leaving plenty of room for better cases on him to be built. In much the same way I defended Zash earlier, but also demanded she make an attempt to form reads.

 

 

So you wanted to defend him but not remove votes from him, and still keeping it possible to push him.  Why even bother with a defense then?  

 

[unvote]

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Explain how that makes any sense for someone who doesn't know his alignment to do.

 

lol, I can't believe this is going to be an issue. God damn.

 

Damage on a wagon is not equivalent to weakening a wagon. MY GOAL DEFENDING DARTHE WAS TO CHANGE THE FOCUS TO A MORE PRODUCTIVE LINE OF REASONING.

 

 

......then what do you consider "damaging a wagon"?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

Clov, is there anything you want to talk to me about?

 

Actually,  yes.  I saw your post about defending Darthe, as you were null on him, earlier and meant to ask you about it.  

 

I get the logic - random gives people a better chance to be town than mafia - but it didn't seem like you had any scum reads when you were defending him.  Remember, you were backing him before Verbal really got on him and before Barm hopped on you.  Did you think there was a better person to be pushing at that time than Darthe?

 

No, I don't think there was anyone I wanted to lynch.

 

The idea and motive behind my actions is to speak up if I feel people are being unreasonable. It is also my strategy to leave those cases that have merit alone. To be absolutely clear, I am completely fine with cases that go somewhere productive. But I am not okay with witch-hunts on my turf.

 

For Darthe, I wanted to defend him without damaging his wagon, while leaving plenty of room for better cases on him to be built. In much the same way I defended Zash earlier, but also demanded she make an attempt to form reads.

 

 

So you wanted to defend him but not remove votes from him, and still keeping it possible to push him.  Why even bother with a defense then?  

 

[unvote]

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Explain how that makes any sense for someone who doesn't know his alignment to do.

 

lol, I can't believe this is going to be an issue. God damn.

 

Damage on a wagon is not equivalent to weakening a wagon. MY GOAL DEFENDING DARTHE WAS TO CHANGE THE FOCUS TO A MORE PRODUCTIVE LINE OF REASONING.

 

Too vague.

 

Say darthe is scum, I don't want to derail and prevent a wagon on him. But say darthe is town, do I let a wagon form on him for bogus reasons?

 

No. I intercept the wagon and try to redirect it to something more likely to produce scum, be it darthe or someone else... and for the right reasons.

[dicetosser1]

 

Also  before sil sidetracked me just then

 

 

My lil Archer buddy thane isnt giving me the good vibes i usually get from his town game. Not that he's giving bad vibes as such but by now ive usually seen something I can get hold of as town thane. It may be cause he's sick and ive giving him some latitude because of that.

 

Thane is you dont start showing me ure town im gonna runover you with Bunyan

How the hell did I sidetrack you?

 

 

I stopped to answer you before posting what i went to post.

[MrsClov]

im having problems getting into this game cause my head is firmly in the Psycho game atm and as such i cant focus on this properly. Will try to do better.

 

Im thinking nyn and verb are town and im leaning that way on darthe as mentioned.

 

Thew clov thing....i reread it and was ready to take umbrage with the semantics argument but then found myself about to do something similar elsewhere so thaT KINDA NULLED HIM FOR ME. (stoopid caps lock).  I have a question for Mrs Clov. Does Mr Clov argue semantics in RL??  and yes i know this is not RL.

 

Not liking Barm and sili as mentioned will

 

vote barm

He does to a point, though I think it's amplified in Mafia games. Sadly, that's not really alignment indicative as far as I'm concerned. If he feels that someone's wrong he's going to let the person know, even if it's a seemingly little thing.

[Clovdyx]

Say Darthe is town, do you want to let a wagon form on him for good reasons?  Say Darthe is mafia, do you want to let a wagon form on him for bogus reasons?

 

The fact of the matter is you shouldn't know what his alignment is, and since you've stated multiple times that you were null on him, I don't see the harm in letting it go to see where it leads.  If you start to get the impression he's town, by all means, speak up.  But you basically saying "I'm not going to let this argument be used against him!" doesn't let it "produce scum" if Darthe IS scum and you just blocked the pressure he was getting.  

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

......then what do you consider "damaging a wagon"?

 

I was thinking 'Derail', 'Apply pressure against his wagon', 'Obstruct', 'Intercede on Darthe's behalf'', etc. Anything that results in underdeveloped/haphazard reads of him.

[Sili Quirrels]

Say Darthe is town, do you want to let a wagon form on him for good reasons?  Say Darthe is mafia, do you want to let a wagon form on him for bogus reasons?

 

The fact of the matter is you shouldn't know what his alignment is, and since you've stated multiple times that you were null on him, I don't see the harm in letting it go to see where it leads.  If you start to get the impression he's town, by all means, speak up.  But you basically saying "I'm not going to let this argument be used against him!" doesn't let it "produce scum" if Darthe IS scum and you just blocked the pressure he was getting.  

I didn't really block it imo. People felt he was scum before and after what I said.

 

Regardless of results, what I did was comment on bad pressure and explain my perspective.

[Sili Quirrels]

Like, ultimately, I just went with the my heart on Darthe. I stepped in where I felt I could be useful, and stepped up when I felt Darthe needed a little pressure.

 

And right now I'm stuck explaining actions that I wasn't necessarily thinking about in these terms. It's weird and entirely out of my element.

 

All I did with Darthe's wagon was offer my opinion. That's all. Yes, it was an opinion that was contrary to the thread's and I was aware of that, but all view points are useful I figure, and I did it in a way that wasn't destructive.

 

I think I did a good job, mostly.